What Does It Take To Be A Navy Seal? | Jocko Willink | LIFESTYLE

What Does It Take To Be A Navy Seal? | Jocko Willink | LIFESTYLE | Rubin Report

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Dave Rubin of The Rubin Report talks to Jocko Willink (former Navy Seal) to discuss his time as a Navy Seal, his political viewpoints, military strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan, his thoughts on Trump, and more.
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@utubesignupblows 5 жыл бұрын

The dude could play Thanos with no CGI

@TheJeremyKentBGross 5 жыл бұрын

True.

@TAKEYOURCREATINE 5 жыл бұрын

Well now I'm imagining a movie with him and Josh Brolin. Damn, how great would that be?

5 жыл бұрын

Well, he needs to be purple though ;)

@JKAV_76 5 жыл бұрын

He could probably take out thanos, does anyone know what happened to the punisher? The next movie will show the next Avengers and he did act as Capt America for a little while.

@officialzacadammorrison 5 жыл бұрын

Thanos Brother 😂😂

@straydogfreedom7795 5 жыл бұрын

This is what I assume a space marine would look like inside the power armor

@rockhill9079 5 жыл бұрын

They are in a green screen, the palm tree totally gives it away.

@lemuelseale1640 5 жыл бұрын

Master chief approves

@JKAV_76 5 жыл бұрын

Only the best

@lemuelseale1640 5 жыл бұрын

Joshua Kavanaugh is your brother named brett by any chance?

@airfergz18 5 жыл бұрын

chapter master or primas for sure

@LanaBlakely 5 жыл бұрын

The man who inspired all the "Why I wake up at 5am" KZfaq videos.

@mauricio449 5 жыл бұрын

*4 a.m.

@egocognis3055 5 жыл бұрын

4:34 AM Up Before The Enemy

@acidtrungpa4760 5 жыл бұрын

He also have the best Instagram I've seen

@myonlyfriendtheend4958 5 жыл бұрын

4:30 am up before the enemy and flanking then while they sleep their dreams away

@chvazquez 5 жыл бұрын

4:30 am, actually ;-)

@GradySmith 5 жыл бұрын

Admittedly, I used to kind of resent Jocko Willink from a distance. His whole brand of EXTREME responsibility felt pretty unhealthy to me, as someone who lacks a lot of natural discipline. I kept trying to white-knuckle my way through life, and I kept getting frustrated when I couldn't maintain extreme routines. I always felt ashamed that I wasn't an overnight SEAL. But over the years, I have learned how to pair Jocko's teachings with some of the don't-operate-out-of-shame elements of counseling, and I've learned how to take life one day at a time. And it's a path that's way more effective at inducing change, and I now appreciate Jocko as a pole on the spectrum of life change, rather than the dude I gotta be tomorrow. He's also gotten way funnier and more down to earth lately!

@JasonOfTGA 5 жыл бұрын

+Grady Smith What I found most fascinating about Jocko [first time I've seen him] was his grasp on leadership, and the weight of morality and all that. Meanwhile not appearing to grasp Potus' use of Twitter as a tactic, using the corrupt media and establishment's own weapons of narrative control back on them, stood out. So I think your observations on the extreme discipline/responsibility may show it a bit incomplete in being able to deal with some of the mess in poltics and media. Even though highly admirable and no doubt effective in military, I do think back home in the swamp it's going to take a scrapper.

@tonysilva2060 5 жыл бұрын

Problem is why does one have to tie and going to foreign soils and killing foreigners as part of developing discipline and character? When the only thing that does is damage an angel the human Spirit potentially Beyond repair and then at that point what does it matter that one has discipline? A psychopath can have discipline, a serial killer most definitely has discipline. So on the whole, ultimately what does it mean? Is he suggesting that you have to participate invading foreign soils to develop discipline and character and successful future? No I wouldn't have an issue or take issue with any of this if it had nothing to do will taking legal action against people on foreign soil., because then it's really just about developing discipline and character through other means that don't require the initiation a force against others. Furthermore show me how it does it has not been car purchase monopolist interest the benefited or those that were forced to participate and taking risks to life and limb on the battlefield as well as regular civilians? Show me through a means by which we can measure the outcome of war that benefited the people as opposed to corporate interests?

@tonysilva2060 5 жыл бұрын

@thewonderpig97 youth LOL oh, I can barely remember those days oh, does the fact that you know nothing of real history have anything to do with how you perceive my age? It seems as though that is indeed the case just another sheeple who is interpretation of history is that of the mainstream 4 sheeple consumption. Yes that that's all that's going on here and nothing else

@tonysilva2060 5 жыл бұрын

@thewonderpig97 exactly, I think we understand each other now

@dragonknightleader1 5 жыл бұрын

@@JasonOfTGA I think it's because he uses more Sun Tzu and Machiavelli in his reasoning while Trump uses Alinsky. All books on tactics, politics, and leadership, but the approaches are radically different. I'll refer to Sun Tzu specifically since I'm more familiar with it than Machiavelli, but they're similar enough for you to assume I'm talking about either. Sun Tzu is top down with delegation, while Alinsky is bottom up. Sun Tzu also advocated engineering situations where you can have overwhelming force while Alinsky engaged in direct action to create conflict. So, to Willnik, Trump antagonizing media types doesn't make sense to him because it seems pointless and I'll admit, if I were in Trump's position, I would think the same and wouldn't engage. However, Alinsky advises ridicule and to "keep the pressure on." So, he trolls the media and high-enough profile politicians to make them angry and make dumb decisions like Warren's DNA test. Defensively, Trump projects an "I don't care" attitude to the arbitrary rules and takes actions that directly fly in the face of what MSN says. Trump's a Nazi? He moves the embassy to Jerusalem. Trump will start WWIII? He negotiates a cease-fire with N. Korea. Trump colluded with Russia? Make Russia mad enough to pull out of the IMF and Russia builds mid-range nukes. Now TDS people engage in Alinskyite tactics too via random twitter users and late night talk show hosts. The reason why they're not as effective is because their ridicule became stale. "Orange Man Bad" is the punchline to their jokes. Now, the key to a good roast joke is that it has to be based in reality. "Putin's cock holster" doesn't really work because reality doesn't reflect Russian collusion. Same with Pissgate dossier.

@RandyKalff 5 жыл бұрын

First time I've seen him in color.

@Blackbay1010 5 жыл бұрын

hahahaha

@papalou7171 4 жыл бұрын

A V10 j

@gillianorley 5 жыл бұрын

Jocko has enough jaw for three ordinary men.

@afriedli 5 жыл бұрын

It's hard to imagine two people more different in life experience and choices, personal history, and disposition than Dave Rubin and Jocko Willink, but this is yet another great interview where Rubin teases out the best and the most essential about his guest. There is no divide that cannot be bridged by people who want to bridge it. That such conversations are even possible is something close to a miracle.

@IamJohnCarter 5 жыл бұрын

Jocks is Earth’s final boss.

@Fkruga5 5 жыл бұрын

Lmao!😂😂😂. My woman is wondering why I just randomly started laughing in bed at 3:30 in the morning. That was a good one!

@williamstokely9589 3 жыл бұрын

I think we will lose 😳 lol

@jacqulinejackson4822 5 жыл бұрын

1ST TIME HEARING ABOUT THIS GUY, AT 69 STILL LEARNING NEW THINGS SMILE

@1492tomato 5 жыл бұрын

As are all his SEAL brothers, this guy is not only tough as hell - he's smart as hell.

@Britton_Thompson Жыл бұрын

Of course. They wouldn't be there otherwise. Earning a trident is more impressive than earning a Harvard diploma for a reason, y'know?

@coryayers9419 5 жыл бұрын

Jocko is built like a tank.

@mugiwaralee9592 5 жыл бұрын

@@egocognis3055 Leif is a very very large man.

@aarona.ferreira3045 4 жыл бұрын

tank is built like jocko

@robertmills794 5 жыл бұрын

Own your life, own the things that happen, take responsibility, admit your mistakes, be humble, push yourself.

@IceColdProfessional 5 жыл бұрын

Fuck yeag

@joostvandegoor150 5 жыл бұрын

That man is in touch with reality. Great conversation, Dave and Jocko.

@greyeminence2973 5 жыл бұрын

In touch with reality? I've listened to this for several minutes. He believes America is acting with best intent whenever it invades some country, or bombs it, or imposes sanctions. I guess you need to delude yourself like that to join the US army.

@brandondaniels9471 5 жыл бұрын

In another lifetime, Jocko would've made an excellent "Attitude Era" WWE/WWF wrestling personality. *_"LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, BROTHER..."_*

@maxand.1462 5 жыл бұрын

and that's the bottom line cuz Jocko said so...

@energeez 5 жыл бұрын

Can you smell... what the freedom is cooking

@JR-ju3kj 2 жыл бұрын

But there's more of a degree of artifice and theater involved there.It's acting in a lot of ways. With Jocko,he's not acting-that's really him.

@RagnarLothbrok2222 5 жыл бұрын

Clean your bloody room and wake up at 5 am! ✔️

@NataliaRoush 5 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@damienmiller1302 5 жыл бұрын

Failing that, picking up some of your clothes off the floor and waking up at 8:30 is a good start

@Dude0000 5 жыл бұрын

Kyle better to clean your room after you wake up at 5am. Seams to be an easier way to get both those things done in that order😉

@RagnarLothbrok2222 5 жыл бұрын

Seneca’s Adoptive Son Ha! I agree with you 😎

@machinsin8081 5 жыл бұрын

4:30

@commonsenseamerica1685 5 жыл бұрын

He is the person people who are sane should try to emulate.

@sailingnomad4963 5 жыл бұрын

Jocko’s two podcasts featuring a certain JBP are excellent.

@IEEteammateMATT1 5 жыл бұрын

Thomas Braun he’s had him on 3 times

@Dja05 5 жыл бұрын

@@IEEteammateMATT1 *Desire to clean room intensifies.*

@Brady.John87 5 жыл бұрын

Mike rittland has some really good podcasts with JP

@harveyspecter3361 5 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love this guy, I might not agree with with everything, but most of it though, however, his overall attitude and calm mindset on basically everything is so refreshing. He seems really grounded and confident, but this obviously cares about others.

@l0n353n7ry 5 жыл бұрын

There is no competition. Is best to buy both books, compare notes and change your life accordingly.

@KWW0321 5 жыл бұрын

I want to see Jocko and Chuck Norris arm wrestle even with the risk of creating a black hole

@rajab2852 5 жыл бұрын

Made me really LOL!

@grandpapa2134 5 жыл бұрын

Good one. Too risky......don't let it happen.

@energeez 5 жыл бұрын

I think they took a picture of it recently

@williamstokely9589 3 жыл бұрын

Chuck Norris is just Jocko Willink in disguise.

@JR-ju3kj 2 жыл бұрын

@@energeez Jocko addressed all of the Chuck Norris jokes,memes and comparison years back in 2016 by saying that Chuck is an actor and he's not.But he doesn't seem to mind the memes.

@cynthiafeick 5 жыл бұрын

Best "Rubin Report" I've seen yet! Thanks for posting. Outstanding!

@noomah4790 5 жыл бұрын

This person Jocko Willink you have in your world is a boss!!

@74bwilson 5 жыл бұрын

great interview. huge fan of Jocko

@selfevidentpodcast 5 жыл бұрын

Jocko is an absolute beast. Talk about wisdom that sticks with you.

@mortyross 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Sir ! This is most helpful and encouraging.

@KyleKendall71 5 жыл бұрын

I am going to have this one on repeat on a weekly basis! Such inspiration.

@sagawi 5 жыл бұрын

From my French perspective, with Jocko, you guys have an Outstanding National ( ONT) Treasure to follow...

@JumpingJimmyJet 4 жыл бұрын

Jocko, you hit the nail on the head when it comes to being a good leader. I hope your word will get out to future leaders...

@adamsoto6466 5 жыл бұрын

Jocko for President 2020

@tomburroughes9834 5 жыл бұрын

The man is a marvel. I enjoyed the book he co-wrote with a colleague, Extreme Ownership. Very smart and good man.

@rajab2852 5 жыл бұрын

Such an accomplished, optimistic and noble man! Thank you, Jocko, for bringing the good and encouraging it in others. Thank you, Dave, for bringing him on your show.

@adampindell 4 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure this is Master Chief unmasked 😜

@bobbailey4954 2 жыл бұрын

sorry not true try commander that would be an 05 in the navy or a major in the others services army, marines, Air Force.

@nickcoker4293 4 жыл бұрын

Damn. Jocko is the wisest dude I’ve ever heard speak lol

@John-wd8vm 4 жыл бұрын

This is the kind of person that needs to be leader of countries. A man who has seen some shit and keeps his head straight.

@TheHabsification 5 жыл бұрын

Jocko is a modern stoic.

@tonytaurus3676 5 жыл бұрын

I'm glad this didn't start with a quote about dead children from Gulag Archipelago

@johnny5731 5 жыл бұрын

Don't listen to his podcast then lol.

@woodeymaynard7711 4 жыл бұрын

When he mentioned his children's book all I could think about was the scene from Major Payne and the story of the "Little Engine that Could." "Payne I can't feel my legs. That's because your legs are gone."

@user-vc5rp7nf8f 3 жыл бұрын

i like the interview format. comfortable chairs, comfortable decor and lighting, and steady, extended shots. some podcasts look so awkward

@martinrussell1404 5 жыл бұрын

Great interview.

@markototev 5 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see Jocko play guitar and release guitar videos with his discipline principles. That would be one hell of a guitar course haha!

@monkwilliams3918 4 жыл бұрын

I love the interviews of the warriors of America

@TzUuup 5 жыл бұрын

Just bought all 3 jocko kids books for my kids. My eldest plays football and is one of the better players but is holding himself back to he greater. Hopefully these words of jocko will help him unleash the inner beast to take his game yo the next level

@Tavin761 5 жыл бұрын

I appreciate Jocko's perspective. I'll incorporate it in my daily life.

@tworandy 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent!!

@bobbailey4954 2 жыл бұрын

When Jocko enters a room full of people you know it. And I quote Jocko I didn’t compete with anyone hell no he doesn’t have to.

@rlj7647 5 жыл бұрын

Go get some!

@jurjenbavelaar1558 5 жыл бұрын

Watched the first & second part. But hey, it's great so I'll watch it again in full.

@maxand.1462 5 жыл бұрын

watch it again at 5 am

@kowanmcgarry 4 жыл бұрын

Jocko for president, he is a great leader.

@johnfestich5008 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent

@RBASHA1 5 жыл бұрын

Jocko makes the chair seem small

@johnohare992 5 жыл бұрын

Listening through headphones. 11:44 Close your eyes. Vince Vaughn.

@Fkruga5 5 жыл бұрын

I totally hear it!

@ivenlee786 5 жыл бұрын

I agree, First, He is not a person you would want your daughter to marry. Second, America is bigger than one person. Thanks for a great perspective from you.

@hakayma7560 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for having army "guru' on your show

@BlackHatAndy 5 жыл бұрын

I've never seen a more manly looking man in my life.

@bryanl.morrison552 4 жыл бұрын

Notice he doesn't have a beard

@wyattprinz7413 3 жыл бұрын

Bryan L. Morrison he’s the only manly looking guy that would look bad with a beard

@AJ-ri5ee 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome

@RecoveringGenius 5 жыл бұрын

I can't wake up at 5am. I'm still up from the night before mowing beaver.

@dannychurcvh6558 4 жыл бұрын

hes very intelligent on the ways of leading elite troops into battle and then can switch gears and show civilian leaders how to make their companies more profitable. pretty impressive guy obv.

@medicorene 5 жыл бұрын

Ok, this is epic.

@mattmcmahon1074 5 жыл бұрын

That chair is not big enough for Jocko's imposing stature

@damnedidwedo6543 5 жыл бұрын

Matt Mac 😂

@missyangfire874 4 жыл бұрын

A little bit of everything indeed 😍. I feel I'm the same way

@JakeRosen635 5 жыл бұрын

You should totally get Stephen Woodford (Rationality Rules) on the show. He would be great!!

@lachlanbell8390 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome idea dude! If there's one thing that would improve Dave's show it would be talking to a dogmatic one-dimensional sophist, that's a winner for sure.

@JakeRosen635 5 жыл бұрын

@@lachlanbell8390 Yeah! people Christina Hoff Sommers who specialize in a specific topic would be great!

@HeyItsNorby 5 жыл бұрын

You gotta have David Goggins on

@zaccy 5 жыл бұрын

Jocko for prez

@onthebrink0991 5 жыл бұрын

Jocko Willink for President 2020.

@WLynn-su2fs 3 жыл бұрын

2024: Jocko and Crenshaw.

@jyan21 5 жыл бұрын

Dave, seeing that the movie Unplanned will be released soon, you should bring on Abby Johnson and have a dialogue with her.

@tuco1121 5 жыл бұрын

"To infinity and beyooooond!!!!"

@susiea3097 3 жыл бұрын

Love Jocko. So impressive. He mentioned on another podcast (I think with Andy Stumpf) that when grading fellow seals on paper, it was where you put the 'X in the box' i e. how far left or right in that box that sent a subliminal message, hence his tee-shirt I'm thinking. Just an observation! Some sad stories he tells too. G'day from Down Under.

@feign.o 5 жыл бұрын

jocko 4 prez

@OneShotOkie 4 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome Jocko listens to hardcore music and metal. Would love to go to a show with him lol

@pauld1277 5 жыл бұрын

Jocko 2020!

@TheRISINGSTAR35 4 жыл бұрын

JOCKO WILLINK FOR PRESIDENT!!! 🇺🇸

@user-kw5pt5re7t 5 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@DarkJDL 5 жыл бұрын

That's so weird, I felt like I just started the video and it ended so quickly!

@randyfarnsworth7825 5 жыл бұрын

I think you need to define “Self” before leading. It seems everyone thinks they are supposed to Lead. It’s like you’re a failure if you don’t go Alpha. I lead when necessary, it’s inherent. I worry About those who think they are failures if they are not leading? This is a really important Topic. Not easy to define a right or wrong.

@sohrobganjbaksh9669 5 жыл бұрын

Looks like mark wahlberg and vin diesel did a fusion dance.

@jrod8618 4 жыл бұрын

This guy eats mark wahlberg

@benjaminholcomb9478 5 жыл бұрын

He makes that chair look real tiny.

@gjc7993 5 жыл бұрын

I’d love to see jocko and Scott Horton talk

@SLYSTARx 5 жыл бұрын

100% badass.

@viggolito 5 жыл бұрын

Big D-aura!

@ryandees5158 3 жыл бұрын

When master chief takes off his helmet, he's actually jocko willink

@CTH_88 5 жыл бұрын

Why did u release part 1 then make us wait for part 2 just to release this?

@christianchadd790 5 жыл бұрын

Good.

@nikobellic3856 4 жыл бұрын

Jocko was borne at 4:30am and cried because he couldn't run and do pull ups

@KOSS800 5 жыл бұрын

Inspiring. A slightly different take on personal respinsibility than JBP's, but a compelling one none the less. Are his books good?

@GustavoAndresHerrera 5 жыл бұрын

Yes. I've read the management books and my kids have read the kids books. They are all really good.

@danielhalwix7151 5 жыл бұрын

Still getting through 12 rules but they will be my next read, check out the episodes of Jockopodcast that feature JBP

@BNK2442 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, Dave, can you have Justin Trottier?

@klaham406 2 жыл бұрын

People see warriors or the sport or athleticly inclined people as meathead jocks ... its pretty fuckin badass that the people leading hard chargers like navy seals into battle are not only like superman athletically but also highly intelligent down to earth fuckin bad asses. People highly underate the warriors in this country. Oh and FUCK YEAAAAH. NEW ENGLAND RULES Keith- Boston mass. Woot woot happy Thanksgiving everyone.

@06livefast 5 жыл бұрын

A feminine man, and a masculine man sit down for a conversation. This is what that looks like.

@ecptz2002 4 жыл бұрын

HOTBALLZ I am not sure I’d call Rubin feminine. Sure he is gay, but he looks manly sharp in the suit and beard.

@66vapor66 3 жыл бұрын

Dave Rubin is one of the manliest gays that I know. Great guy and great conversation. Jocko is a treasure aswell

@vnityanand7221 2 ай бұрын

Are you slow ??

@Garrus1995 5 жыл бұрын

I wish Jocko or someone like him would run for office; I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. I'm tired of careerist politicians who are always apologizing for America and never getting anything done. Give me someone like Jocko, someone who champions and embodies ideas like perseverance and hard work, who isn't afraid to say how they feel. Someone who has served their country; someone who doesn't back down from a fight. I'm tired of Leftist politicians who are always telling people that the system is rigged against them and that hard work will get them nowhere; their words offer no redemption, no hope. People like Jocko, who have actually busted their asses to get to there they are, are few and far between in Washington. That should change.

@jeffreyhagelin6047 5 жыл бұрын

History has for the most part, shown that military types make bad political leaders There are exceptions to every rule but I'm suggesting this is true for the most part. Good people skills, high integrity, hard worker, good judge of character, has above average knowledge of history and strong law background. These are serious Presidential candidates , at least in my book and if he has military service, so much the better.

@Garrus1995 5 жыл бұрын

Jeffrey Hagelin, I believe Jocko checks the box for a lot of those traits. He clearly has a lot of integrity, he couldn't do the work he is doing now if he didn't have at least above average people skills, he is absolutely a hard worker, he probably is a good judge of character given a lot of the people he has worked alongside, and based on what I've read from him, he is fairly knowledgeable about history; he's not a historian, but show me a politician who is. As for the law background, yes obviously you want someone whose job it is to enforce and enact laws to know about them, but you don't need to be an Ivy League educated lawyer to know the law. Plenty of lawyers, people whose job it is is to know the ins and outs of law, become politicians. Not all of them do a very good job of it.

@armysoopertrooper 5 жыл бұрын

Garrus1995 I tend to agree with you. I’ve served with so many highly ethical, highly intelligent and charismatic people. I would encourage any of them to run for office if they had the inclination. IMO I believe there is a fundamental personality conflict for what it means to be a Soldier to what it is to be a politician. And if there isn’t, I’d be concerned. But overall, I’d love to see more veterans run for office, especially as Democrats. ( I’m not a Dem).

@sherrigaskin5656 2 жыл бұрын

He should be an instructor for the KinderGuardians program. Arming children from 4-16 and training them to protect themselves and their school from active shooters. Look it up. Steve

@lovingmymamalighter102 2 жыл бұрын

I hope and pray Jocko is rite when he says the Free people of America will tip the scales and make things rite if things go to far oneway or the other. Cause nowadays we need those Free Americans to force the government and media to do the rite things!

@fieldlab4 5 жыл бұрын

Wow what a fucking philosophical and political genius.

@spielerinami 5 жыл бұрын

This guy is current day Blazkowizc

@ayosgsauce 3 жыл бұрын

Did they even ask the question "what does it take to be a navy SEAL?"

@rakashaagain 5 жыл бұрын

Only 1 hour? aaww man.

@officialzacadammorrison 5 жыл бұрын

"god" bless. Thank you :)

@Tombking2 5 жыл бұрын

What is the song intro called?

@gregdjentyguy9986 3 жыл бұрын

Don't worry Jocko, the tipping point is far behind, but the backlash is coming.

@RightCenterBack321 5 жыл бұрын

Superb interview. That said, I disagree strongly with Jocko Willink's logic (not stance) on Iraq - a lot of people were sounding the alarm about not going into Iraq and it turns out they, not the supporters, were correct. Willink talks about humility; at some point, people like him have to possess the humility to be able to say, "You know what? We were wrong." It's very likely the U.S. would've had to fight a major war in Iraq again at some point, but it doesn't change the fact invading Iraq in 2003 was the wrong decision at the time.

@Buddhi011 5 жыл бұрын

Iraq was a mistake Afghanistan was a mistake. It made the world even more divided and not safer. And in both countries it's still a complete mess. Change has to come from the inside. The americans lost track in several ways after WW2. The US developed this believe they could solve any conflict or liberate countries from dictatorship. Mr Willink is not a polician, he is an ex-warrior and was part of a war industry. Sure leadership skills have the same basic components and will do fine in any organisation. But he is not a better leader compared to any succesfull manager or CEO. He is selling his experiencess in a clever way. In europe or Holland where I live he would not be invited much for corporate talks.

@LeeH688 3 жыл бұрын

@@Buddhi011 Neither was a mistake. They were planned crimes with planned deceptions and lies to cover for them. Hundreds of thousands of innocents were killed and trillions in resources stolen. They were not mistakes. Crimes.