hmm

Ever heard about the Partition of Power and checks and balances? It seems not.

John Tyler his tin foil hat is preventing knowledge and logic from seeping in.

John Tyler Great in theory, does not mean ii always applies. This was a PR move six years too late

Never give up your guns. Never.

@@duongthanhlam8092 because if the davidians would have shot first the police would have told that defenitly

Actually policemen sometimes don't write very convincing/detailed reports because gunfights are often a blur. Part of their job is to defend their own team, so if the davidians looked like they were going to take a shot, the police would've immediately pulled the trigger as a defensive move. What happens usually, because of this, is that both shots go off within a split second of each other. So it's really hard to tell who shot first. A lot of split-second action happening, and it can be a total blur.

Or it could actually have been a mystery like who shot first at Lexington and concord

NYOTA ! You were there? Why didn’t you do anything then

@@duongthanhlam8092 hi uscm combat veteran and no we are haunted by what happened and usually we remember everything that happened almost too much.

AJLAY didn’t have Mira, lesion or Echo I guess, probably got banned

They threw gas inside the compound. *Smoke has joined the chat*

AJLAY Ash Rushed 😔

Ren Camilo Echeandia underrated 😂

They didn’t have jeager

Probably "agreed" to be suicided if he were to talk about it truthfully

Source trust me bro

“Kay Picasso I like it”

I wouldn't talk about gunning down innocent women and children, either.

@@shittyopinions, they didn’t “gUn DoWn InNoCeNt WoMeN aNd ChIlDrEn”. They spent 51 days pleading to let them go. The women and children were being hidden. And were burned down by the Branch Davidians.

They should have got fuze to do the job

Don't Fuze on Hostage

If only Ash rushed

Fookin laser sights

oregon is based on this

Just want to add that at the time the news stated that the wall the tank went into was a booby trap. Even at the time i found it strange that the tank picked the only wall with all the fuel behind it.

*APC

The news here literally cut off until the place was already on fire (you didn't get notice that an Abrams tank was on the way)

Marcus Young *Infantry Fighting Vehicles, Armored Engineering vehicles and Main Battle Tanks

TheReal Lifehacks combat engineer vehicles. No main battle tanks were used

Prob not even tear gas, that's just incendiary stuff.

@@tentacledood5784 Tear gas, or more specifically CS gas, which is what was used, is both highly irritating and flammable. During the investigation after the fact several already-fired 40mm incendiary grenades were found near the spots the fire initially broke out, and there is also thermal footage showing bright flashes in those areas.

@@tentacledood5784 I can assure you that they did not throw incendiary grenades. What most likely happened was CS Gas they were throwing was flammable. Since there were bullets slinging everywhere creating sparks, the flammable CS Gas most likely burst into flames. Still reckless, though.

Why would they launch tear gas in there if there was babies?.

@yaboi Saylor you're right, they didn't throw incendiary grenades, they launched them

FlawlessStudiosEnt meeeeee

me.

This just makes me feel, that as much as you want to live a freedom life, the Government will never approve because it always has to be there way. sorry I am speaking out of character and a wild imagination. If the Government had proof that they were tourists or criminals producing illegal drugs and trafficking and dealing human trafficking than I do think they were doing something bad and incriminating themselves, then they should be arrested, but I can't wrap my mind around to figure out what they really did wrong other then the weapons which probably used to hunt for food or for protection. who knows only God.😰😰😰💔💔💔, at the End the Government has to win even if there wrong. This is just a metaphor.😬😨

America. Land of laws restricting freedom

@@eloisaguilar72 Since Tim McVeigh avenged what the government did (taught them a lesson) they haven't been doing activities such as this. McVeigh put a stop to it.

And Oregon from siege lol

Jayden Vilaranda lol very true. Playing that as we speak

I KNOW RIGHT?!?

I was about to say that!!

But more interesting because a child wrote far cry 5’s story

*kicked for team killing*

*Banned for 30 mins due to Team Killing offence*

You guys ever make someone get banned for teamkill by shooting them in the foot on accident while trying to hit the drone

Just goes to show how mind numbingly incompetent those ATF officers were.

Greg p not enough of em

Thank you 👏🏻💯

Or maybe just maybe they were unclear who shot first 🤦‍♂️

1234 or maybe the feds shot first

Where is your proof for that bogus statement?

​@@greysonspeckhart5206 nope

Note how it's being called a "siege" and not a massacre, which would be a more accurate term. They massacred these people.

True. Thinking the government investigating themselves is not trustworthy is not the crazy conspiracy they make it to be.

@@squishyblanket I haven't watched the video yet but cultists are known for being absolutely crazy

@@cyonu5675 Hes talking about the feds committing a madsacre

@@rnz8985 Ik I learned about the whole situation after saying that

Ky Nguyen this would have been a much better ending than the one we got

Thiago Lessa de Castro just because you didn't understood it doesn't mean it's bad

Lmfao

Emu Nuddles farcry 5 ending was wack. Both endings. Ruined the game

Huh if only

Space BN Mount Carmel is what Oregon is based on.

Yeah, that map was based on this

No this happen for real.

SHAWN MICHAEL Duncan he asked if the map oregon from rainbow six siege is based on this location not that the raid was real or not

Yeh

They had days to give up, they didnt, you dont have a right to resist arrest.....

@@sunnyvegas2778 what if they weren't resisting arrest? technically the federals shot first, and David was willing to let them in. Before asking about the "Who shot first" there's solid evidence, and even testimonies that the ATF and the surviving cultist reported that the ATF entered the compound and right before they knocked on the door, they shot three of the dogs that were trained to attack and ward off intruders, and this set a spark of panic and shock to the residents which made them retaliated and shoot back. So there was alot of miscommunications and distorted chain of events that would lead one to another. but ultimately, the cultist were even willing to admit the shame and horrors of their actions. men giving their wives to david, mothers sacrificing their daughters purity to this sick twisted false prophet, and had access to weapons they knew would attract alot of attention. all these committed acts were brought on the table by them. yet the ATF has not once shown any accountability or responsibilities for what happened at waco, and just simply brushed it off as a "Tragedy" im the type to support law enforcement, but situations like this is not unheard of. they will lie or deflect any blame thrown at them, and cover up alot of their mistakes to maintain a healthy and trusting relationship to the public, even the intentions are good. lying is nonetheless a common human trait. we play by the rules of the law, but the law doesn't make you a good person.

@@sunnyvegas2778 You do when it's unlawful.

@@sunnyvegas2778 The Jews didn't have a right to resist Hitlers laws, were they wrong to do so?

Government over stepping.... Exactly like today! Lie & deny is their motto!

They reportedly raped their children and possessed illegal weapons. I think they deserved it, but it definitely could have been handled much better by the government

Troll

no, not at all

Modifying weapons I get, they should have knocked on the door and questioned them, not go in and start shooting. The government failed BADLY here. As bad as Tienenman square. An apalling time to be an American...

Pedophilia must be eradicated.

YouWillNotBelieveWhoIAm lol now that i think of it, it straight up looks like Oregon

PertWord this is what it is based off of

Yo they made rainbow six siege into a real thing!

SNTL Wolf r/wooosh

@@tmc6pquake556 it deadass looks like oregon

This incident was actually put in Rainbow Six Siege on a map called oregon

@@japandrew_ well it doesn't have anything to do with a whole game based on that cult leader... 😂

Actually the National Guard legally cannot fire against US citizens on US soil if martial law is not declared. The ATF borrowed tanks from the National Guard with little practice.

“It’s not wrong if the government does it”- the government

Nobody had a real job welfare checks bought that building and the legal guns too they turned guns illegal by switching parts

@@god1246 welfare to welfare bro not one person in that building worked at a real job and the welfare dept made many trips to Mt Carmel no underage touching took place the media blew it up into

perhaps after illegally stockpiling weapons, refusing to surrender, and a siege of 51 days and the deaths of ten people.

@@highstimulation2497 Not supporting illegally stockpiling weapons. Refusing to surrender, was, of course idiotic. I am doubtful about the siege, seems to be a lot of variable information about that. Still, driving tanks into a building containing women and children, or any non combatants, is still wrong unless said children ect were throwing grenades or shooting, as happens in the middle east but which has never been suggested to have happened here.

Patrick McQuail I don’t know. It sucks because if you think differently than what the government tells you, you’re labeled a “crazy conspiracy nut” 😒I think it’s a term used to discredit someone

@@roxyfoxyyy7: It actually is, it's a government phrase that was used against people who spoke out against the Federal government and their atrocities.

Because you either play by the rules of their sick system or you get this kinda threatment

To be fair, Koresh was a monster. The ATF was even worse though.

The term conspiracist was coined by historians.

Do you know what is illegal? Molesting young children, illegally modifying guns, arming those children, and then opening fire on officers with a search warrant.

Namo but the government killing those children is okay?

Yup

He most likely got the guns illegally.

@@joshuanelson4360 i mean Killing federal agents is pretty serious

could "have," not could 'of.' Could've is a contraction of the words 'could' and 'have.'

@@highstimulation2497 I don’t want to sound like a Debbie downer but the Internet doesn’t really care much about grammar

​@@nachocheeseburritos9710 yes we do

@@notreally2406 no we don

No it couldn't have been avoided

C-Span telecast the beginning, flamethrower included. I watched the live feed.

Worst part about it, he didn't molest anyone; Lies the feds and media made up.

@@borderlands10 do you really believe a man who practiced polygamy didnt molest people?

Aminah Saleem there was literally no one there who didn’t want to be there. Everyone was free to leave. And he married them. Not that I agree with it on any level but you don’t have a problem with him you have a problem with Texas law and the young women he marrieds fathers

@@commanderhavock6450 most polygamist groups, most notably the AUB, say the same thing even now. It's very possible to believe both sides are bad, there doesn't have to be a right side to defend.

Yep ya nailed it

😂

lol same

Dis guy ☝🏽

Haha!!

People are trying to excuse that as "tear gas".

@@borderlands10 History repeats itself and people excuse outright murder as: "I thought it was a taser" Authorities were never friends.

not smoke grenades and not phosphorus lol. Non incendiary teargas. Get your facts straight.

@@BigLebowski2000 “get your facts straight” 🤓🤓🤓

@@BigLebowski2000 seems pretty incendiary to me considering it burned 100s of people to a crisp and melted babies to their cribs as they cried. Burning alive.

I saw that video too I’m sure our government has it now they ran over innocent children with their tanks n FYI the door to the compound mysteriously disappeared because it showed our cowardly government acted first. GOD BLESS THIS FCKN COUNTRY HUH

Should've had a Kaid to trick the hatch

Has there been any luck on locating this video?

@@harveychadbourne5180 thank god you live here and will not move lmao

People involved should be hung for treason and crimes against humanity

i hear antifa getting called that all the time

@@yoavmend1909 I don't hear the major media outlets besides fox call them by that term!?

@@capitalistgecko9247 then you are deaf

The narrative

The MSM are the left wing extremists that’s why.

Have you got tanks and drones? Then be quiet

@@maguy8133 if you continue to fund the government that uses tanks and drones against peaceful free people, you are the enemy of the people. It's the duty of every American to not allow the government to do that

​@@maguy8133 your right. We should be able to

They were illegally having machine guns and were making improvised explosives. As well there were a bunch of more evidence which called for David’s arrest.

@@danielnavarro537 lies

@Blob B key word FIGHT

Robin Jacobs plus it was just inventory to sell at gun shows.

Stockpile *illegal* weapons you blithering moron. That building deserved to be raided, 100%. Crazy religious indoctrinated wackjobs were never going to be reasonable or compliant

who started the fire?

Blake Snow the atf as well. With incendiary grenades

Mr Malunigans no he used some gasoline

Blake Snow the ATF

Cult groups can all get hit with fire and fury.

The government is not ur friend

Perhaps when he started taking child brides?

@@coltonkrum6491 dosnt exucuse killing said children brides.

Now go google the OKC Bombing. That was payback for the government doing this in Waco.

LOL does Joe exotic realize that they died

Timmer Ratajczyk dumby

@@rickross9829 Who is that? Gumby's cousin?

you remembered wrong, then

@@EllieNekoGirl Tell the rest of the JIDF I said hello.

@@EllieNekoGirl You know what gaslighting is?

Anybody who thinks the government was in the wrong here and at Ruby Ridge is automatically idiot Right-wingers to these dipshits. I guess all the rioters who thinks the government was in the wrong for what happened to George Floyd are a bunch of Right-wingers as well?

Its another example of what welfare can buy those people had kids and many families lots of free money 💰 not one report of people who worked at real jobs

Tear gas does leave any lasting damage and is effective at flushing out enemy combatants

2 day of chance to get out and surrender still not get out and being keep as a hostage by a stupid believed . They got it for themselves

@@kevinle6816: They didn't have to surrender, there was no reason for the feds to murder all those children and adults, there is no justification for the atrocity committed at Waco, and it's a telling sign as to why the 2nd Amendment is an important piece of the United States history.

@@borderlands10 Amen

@@erenozcilingir5918 It wasn't tear gas. It was CS gas, a much more dangerous and volatile combination of chemicals. In fact, CS gas is SO dangerous, it is illegal to use in warfare. Don't for a moment believe it was tear gas.

Redirect the people to a video you approve of.

you better have some tanks in your basement, sir

Well.. I mean.. when have cultists ever gone wrong in history... oh wait lol.

This is why we need less regulation on the 2A, so that we can combat EVERY bit of the government's arsenal. If the government has it, we should have it, too.

@Ryan ODonohue Yupp!.. I only feel sorry for the kids who had no choice. Couldnt careless for the dumb af adults who willingly followed an insane person. Cops aren't getting a pass.. they should also be held accountable and it's disgusting how they handled this.

@Ryan ODonohue How delusional are you to not see how David manipulated the teaches of christianity to his dumb followers?😂😂😂 I'm not hating on the religion itself you dumb dumb. Believe what you wanna... go to church lol.. DON'T follow a cultist who bangs your wife for you and is committing illegal crimes😂😂😂😂😂

km5658 cause they had illegal firearms that were probably milspec?😂

And don't forget the helicopters. They're a standard part of serving a search warrant in Texas, I guess.

@@tele68 riighhtttt 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️😂 I swear people making excuses for the government makes me sick .

@@HONDAMeskin123 Well, presumably illegal. I haven't really found any tangibility to such claims.

you are a failure as a human

martianepic what? Wouldn't the footage have to last weeks?

@@user-ve8ry1xw8v Not really, it'd just be how much was recorded. It'd only depend on who was operating the camera and for how long, probably would just have a reel full of highlighted moments

NOPE ! That will NEVER happen and for GOOD reasons. One of the most important jobs of the United States Federal Agency and their Officers is to, at any cost, stop these quickly growing extremists groups that actually believe they can create their own independent nation within the United States borders! AIN'T HAPPENING under their watch. GOOD! = No more wackos in Waco.🥲

@@zxcvbzxcvb6328 I only mentioned it because I've seen that footage and what I saw was a massacre of women and children. You sir, are a boot licking puppet.

@@user-ve8ry1xw8v the footage I saw was from a single camera man filming on the day of the attack and was about three hours long.

🔥🔥🔥

He said weeks long Fwiw

Um... a bloodbath did ensue.

ATF agents were not SF soldiers, at all.

All this Happened because the ATF tried a GUN GRAB against US citizens. The video "Waco : a new revalation" is way better. Available on you tube

Chris waymeyer Lolwut? Gun grab? You realize that it's kind of their job to pursue the unlawful posession of firearms? Quit being the shithead giving everybody on our side a bad name.

Chris waymeyer Don't mind me just stockpiling weapons illegally and having a cult worship and do anything for me.

Literally nothing at all.

juke lix who tf needs that many weapons 🤦🏼‍♀️🙄 unless you planning on killing someone

Tra Martínez some people just like to have weapons and it’s not illegal to stockpile weapons as long as it’s the legal way of obtaining them

Tra Martínez The government

Some of the weapons were illegal and they feared that they modified some weapons into illegal weapons. There were witnesses who informed the ATF about it. I am not saying that the Siege and the loss of 78 lives is justifiable but some weapons shouldn’t exist or at least be not in the hand of certain people.

There is a show that came out a month or two ago that came out and it shows that Gary was killed trying to get to the house were his wife and kids were

Lucas Jackson Brady is right, that actually did happen.

found the conspiracy theorist

John Pagdilao too bad you don't know what you're talking about

John Pagdilao u are right. So many people are so naive and believe everything the government says. It’s sad

The branch dividians fired first ???

@@ranimdude my brother in christ you're such a moron it's not even funny

...So a sheriff in Alabama finds a dead black guy with 15 bullet holes in him and says....hmmmm🤔 weirdest case of suicide ive ever seen!

KZfaq Heroes it’s not all true

Mr Malunigans tell me more.

HEY I have more facts of what happened wanna here? well the ATF lied on multiple occasions that the Dividians started the fire even though it was caused by the gas the ATF used and that the people went in the bunker for safety were trapped by the falling rubble from the tanks driving in building making it collapse so the people got trapped and killed by the fire! isn't that just a good fun fact!

Brady yeah

@@basicallythebestever Bodies recovered from the scene had tire tracks in them and documents were found from the agencies showing they had full knowledge that the incendiary grenades they used would burn the babies in the nicu alive.

Bingo! They try to take your freedom and if they have to kill you for it.

im pretty sure building a private army is pretty illegal

@@banditheidk the second ammendment of our constitution is very clear WHY we have a second amendment, bud. Feel free to read it.

what about black rock?@@banditheidk

​@@banditheidkhave you never heard of a militia before? Building a private army is not only what created the United States, but is also our 2nd amendment right

if u dont mind me askin, do you really believe they made bombs and had all those weapons in their home?

The Metalhead u got that wrong buddy you’re thinking of authoritarian vs libertarian not liberal vs conservative

@@jackwrayno3994 He wasn't wrong for generally saying right and left, and not specifying further on the terms you use... ? Someone can be a conservative and an authoritarian, knowingly or unknowingly. You have to admit when things like this happen, the msm jump to labeling "right wing" extremist or "alt right," not libertarian extremist or alt conservative... so they can point the back lash at a larger generalized political sect. That was the point he was making.

@@jackwrayno3994 conservatism is not inherently right wing.

gman well i’m left and libertarian and he was saying all left want to be “enslaved” and by that i assume he means have authoritarian beliefs so his argument doesn’t really hold up

@@jackwrayno3994 To put it this way: Politics is complicated.

And exactly how do you know this?

Param Singh yup lol

Documentary? You mean TV Drama. The Netflix series is equally as biased towards David Koresh as the History Channel segment is towards the FBI/ATF. It would also have you believe David was a man of sound mind and a bit of a religious fanaticism, who was only driven crazy by the siege. You need only listen to the testimony of the survivors to understand how inaccurate that portrayal is. He was certainly charismatic... but it was a facade to lure in weak or troubled people whom he could easily manipulate. A trait common in cult leaders. The series also perpetuates the notion that the ATF and FBI (specifically the FBI in this case) were out for blood and planned to get it through the most barbaric means necessary. This is sadly just not accurate. The FBI/ATF were inappropriately aggressive. However, at the time, this was procedure for these types of entrenchments. Additionally, Behavior Analysts and Hostage Negotiators were seen as a means of stalling for a surgical assault to be planned and later executed. The series (probably just for dramatic story telling) wants you to believe the commander in charge of the situation respected what Gary (or any of the other 20 or so negotiators not depicted) was able to accomplish, despite the apparent impatience. This is untrue. They simply wanted to study the compound and plan an assault that wouldn't make them look awful on national news, which only grew more complicated overtime due to media coverage and breakdowns in negotiations (which, ironically was as portrayed... the failings of the tactical teams). You also can't blame many of the individual agents. Most were young, poorly trained officers. They were likely told how dangerous the Branch cult was, and likely feared them. The gun battle at the very start of the siege would have only solidified that feeling. It wasn't until agency reform (which took place in Clinton's second term and Bush's first term), that the FBI (more specifically in this case) began to rely more heavily on a psychological approach to hostile standoffs. There is also significantly better training for behavior analysts and negotiators. The show gets a lot right, but it definitely paints Koresh in too positive a light.

Hard to prove anything regarding bullet holes when the entire church was burned to ash inside an hour.

ATF definitely shot first

@@greggwigen8196they have forensics for burnt down scenes…

hey chris