Seeing Richard with David on "On An Island" 2006 tour will be my last memory of live Floyd! One of my top 10 concerts.

Agreed. He, more than Roger and David, gave Pink Floyd their unique sound. The switch from Hammond organ to synthesizer, starting with Dark Side, was the beginning of his eclipse, though his keyboard work is still very prominent, and important, on that album and on Wish You Were Here. After that, he begins to fade into the background, and more's the pity. Part of the problem was the new, more pop-oriented format, featuring David's soaring solos above all, which no longer allowed much room for the softly nuanced harmonies of Rick's keys. He's still there on Great Gig and Shine On, but, especially in the latter, the music drags a bit.

ECHOES is a masterpiece

@@terrencesclassicrockcorner I'm not hugely passionate about anything the band did after Meddle, to be honest, though most of the albums after it still do have some very good cuts, perhaps less so Animals and The Final Cut. After WYWH, Wright's work declined precipitously, however, and even David's lack of enthusiasm is audible in many places. And while I can understand their frustration at the situation, their do-nothing passivity over so long a period makes them just as guilty as Roger for the growing bad chemistry. Nothing David and Rick did after Roger left holds any interest for me. Their ersatz Floyd albums not only lack vigour and tension, they reveal just how necessary Roger was to the band. There is no force driving the material other than the Gilmour's flaccid ego. Roger, at least, knows how to direct his formidable ego out into the world, and his solo efforts, especially Amused to Death, display all the energy lacking in David's nostalgic, sentimental fake Floyd, even if they, too, fall short of the standards set by the classic Floyd catalog.

Gilmour himself said there is no Pink Floyd. I wish it weren't so but at least we can still enjoy their music.

I’d argue it’s actually GOOD that the band is done. Often times, a band revival this late tarnishes the band’s image as a whole. Sometimes it’s better to just let it be as it was.

I actually agree with your statement. But unfortunately there are STILL individuals out there that believe they will reform again which will NEVER happen..

Waters found himself playing solo, to a crowd of 1800 in the same city, that pink Floyd was playing to 36,000, he said it was eye opening!

The surviving members are pushing 80. Do we really need a reunion at this point? Just let it go.

Yet he still does....ego? Perhaps.

@@sunshinewildfire7087 Gilmour supports Ukraine / Nato/ USA , who over threw the elected Ukrainian gov. Water speaks out against Israel , who created an open air prison and oppress millions. Gilmour is a propagandist for the system or totally disconnected from facts and reality .

​@@sunshinewildfire7087ego from both haha

Roger should take him to court, to carry on using the name Pink Floyd.

​@@grrr.9998And IF Mr Waters did, the judge would throw the case out of court.. Mr Waters wouldn't have a leg to stand on...

​@@grrr.9998Without Gilmour, Wright and Mason? No way. That is not Pink Floyd.

Roger waters is pink floyd

@@jimreplicant No he isn't!!

I think you already go wrong in your comment with calling 'The Wall' THEIR magnum opus..... At least i know one person who will fully disagree with you on that and i don't think that i even have to mention his name? hence the main problem 'inside' the band Pink Floyd. Already during recordings of The Wall Richard Wright was kicked out by Waters because Rick didn't like the whole project at all and Waters took it all on a personal level... hence Waters thought (and he stil does) that in fact he was Pink Floyd...

Yes , since Rick died , Pink Floyd died for ever...Gimour already was not there at the beggining .. it was SYD's band...then became Roger Waters's Band with all his great project...Gilmour do not have the right to do so...even using Pink Floyd's name for helping UKRAINE ..THAT IS HIS BIGGEST MISTAKE...SHAME ON GILMOUR AND HIS WIFE !!!

@artvision, THANK YOU. David bows to his mean wife. HER son Charlie married a Ukrainian and she's Jewish so naturally she called Roger Anti-Semitic for his stance on Israel and the NATO (Zionist) proxy war in Ukraine. Zelensky is a Zio puppet pushing the Great Reset/Agenda 2030 global governance scheme as well as the Greater Israel Project. David sadly goes along with "The Machine" Roger is actually on a Ukrainian HIT LIST .

​@@a.vandergaag5517or the truth .. Richard were sailing in med, doing absolutely nothing. Lazy bugger. I hate lazy people. Michael Kamen were light years better than this lazy person. We all know them.... glad and fair that he got kicked out.

The trouble is 'Money' was the only good track on DSOTM.

"I certainly was in the right" wasn't it?

Gilmour and Mason do not constitute Pink Floyd. That's just a duo! Syd Barrett's long gone and now Richard Wright's long gone. God bless them. There can only possibly be Pink Floyd ever again if its David Gilmour, Roger Waters and Nick Mason.

At the moment it's impossible to feel empathy for the Palestinians, and want to argue for their human rights, and criticise the actions of the Israeli government, without being called antisemitic. Even though none of that is antisemitic in the slightest.

@@terrencesclassicrockcorner Idiot! Jews has nothing in Palestine to do. They got Birobidjan from Stalin in 1928, that's where they belpng, or rather on another planet.

That's a common tactic nowadays, if a person takes a different view the offended group just labels them racist, anti-Semitic, etc. that's easier than actually making a consise argument. And other people just repeat that without even knowing why he is SUPPOSEDLY anti-Semitic

Waters found himself playing solo, to a crowd of 1800 in the same city, that pink Floyd was playing to 36,000, he said it was eye opening! After the court settlement!

Waters is certainly unintelligent and anti-intellectual.

Important point.

RIGHT !

Shows you how biased this video is. It even tries to blame Roger for Syd's crisis.

I think he means the first album Gilmour played on. "'A saucerful of Secrets"

@@terrencesclassicrockcorner Bollocks. They all made the decision to continue without Syd, even on the night you mention. Rick even tells the anecdote of him deceiving a catatonic Syd and saying he was going out for cigarettes when he was actually leaving for a gig with the band. No, it was a collective decision and a necessary, though painful one. I'm getting sick and tired of all these aspersions people online are casting on Roger, who was the animating force of the band. In so doing, you internet bots are doing the work of the Establishment, which has been trying to assassinate Roger's character for decades. He's one of the few 60s peaceniks left to fight the good fight. And without him you wouldn't even have all that good Pink Floyd music you love so much.

@@chicklets4ever51 god you old hippies need to get over yourselves. Roger isn't "fighting the good fight" he's a rich, old boomer sellout trying to make more money by doing half assed reunion tours, not to mention he's a neo Nazi fascist. Your comment reeks of that self important attitude hippie boomers have because you think your decade of good-mediocre music was somehow this insane cultural revolution. The reality is it's just a meaningless little blip from a time that's being forgotten because it's no longer of any importance

Thank you.

Examples?

@@omnipop4936 I love this band but this sounds like a Water's hit piece. To me, There is no Pink Floyd without both Waters and Gilmour. There is no Beatles without Paul and John, no Stones without Mick and Kieth.... The argument that the band is better because of one of them more than the other is silly. I think both Gilmour and Waters are spectacular. As far as inaccuracies, writing credits people speak of is a big one. Waters wrote tons of songs both music and lyrics. On the earlier albums (pre Darkside) they would often go off and write songs on their own an bring them back. Atom heat mother was mentioned in the thread as an album that Gilmour wrote. That isn't true. he wrote Fat old Sun (I adore the song). But he didn't just write the album. Waters wrote songs as did Wright. Where I find things to be most inaccurate is the depiction that Waters didn't write Dark Side, Wish you were here, The wall. Those were all concept albums and he was the one with the concept. He had the vision for these albums. Not only I he write songs for them but he Wass the reason this albums came into existence and lets be real, without them? We are likely not having this conversation because those are some of the most influential and spectacular albums ever. All of them were Water's visions. Gilmour's musical contribution and ability to take what might have been rough cuts and turn them into art is immeasurable and not remotely dismissed. Waters often created a skeleton and Gilmour gave it flesh, blood an movement. I think another important factor left out is the pressure they were under after the Wall. The expectation for another hit album weighed heavily on all of them but Waters in particular. This certainly took its toll on a tenuous relationship. Lastly, there is far more to each of these tiny battles between the parties. Waters has every right to be pissed that they are using the name and the music. It would be the same if after the Beatles up, Paul, Ringo and George wrote new music under that name and toured that way. It's not the Beatles anymore. Nor was it Pink Floyd anymore. For newer listeners, Waters is not even on the radar. His legacy and musical credit wave been diminished. Waters has made quite a few attempts to make amends and been instead, criticized. As an aside, people who think Gimour's solos stuff is better than Waters'? I cannot agree. Pros an Cons is spectacular. Radio Chaos is really good. Amused To death is excellent. I like Gilmour's solo stuff but it doesn't have the bite. Nor does Pink Floyd without Waters.

Brilliantly put, 100% accurate.

No Waters.. no floyd

Politics is bullshit anyway, just a result of programming and brainwashing. Anytime, you are presented binary solutions to a complex problems, just realize you are a victim of propaganda.....There are more than two sides to any issue, wouldn't you agree?

We know Polly can't speak intelligently. That doesn't help.

@@stickman1742 She can amass and hurl buzz word ad hominem insults though.

@sir, Yup, straight out of the "Labels to use on Those who Disagree with you" gaslighting playbook .

Gilmour supports Ukraine / Nato/ USA , who over threw the elected Ukrainian gov. Water speaks out against Israel , who created an open air prison and oppress millions. Gilmour is totally disconnected from facts and reality. He is 100% a propagandist for the system or have zero clue .

Tell Elvis Presley that. Much of the MUSIC was written by Gilmour & Wright, right up until Animals and The Wall.

@@thefuturefactory56albums like more will disagree he’s also mainly wrote most of the songs before that too argue all you want Roger is the Genius

100% agreed….wherever, whenever and whatever the price I will be there when they will reunite….and they must do it for the millions of fins like me around the world

There is no Pink Floyd without Richard

@@diegomenarin7295 NO Richard Wright NO Pink Floyd!

"There was once a band named Pink Floyd, there isn't anymore". (David Gilmour).... Why don't you, and the rest of the individuals like you accept the fact that it will NEVER occur, not in a cat in hell's chance... There's more chance of Rammstein starting off their next British leg tour at Chipping Sodbury Town Hall than PF reforming and doing a concert.

It will NEVER be the same without Richard Wright, but David and Roger NEED to sit down, and talk.

The group was greater than any one person. Waters' solo stuff isn't up to PF standards either.

I think the debut album from David Gilmour is great. Exceptional guitar playing and material. Play it quite a lot.

I agree. Gilmour can't write to save his life, and his work without Waters is flaccid and lacks creative tension. Songs highlighting guitar solos get boring after a while.

LOL..and the Waters solo career has been a stellar flop with his miserable, self indulgent "my dads dead" psychosis. When it comes to Pink Floyd nobody cares who wrote the songs.Presley didn't write any, the drummer in Black Sabbath wrote most of theirs, so who remembers Ben Weisman when it comes to Presley and who remembers Bill Ward when it comes to Sabbath etc,etc. If the Gilmour Pink Floyd was playing in my city at the same time as Waters I'd go to the PINK FLOYD show to hear the man who SANG those songs and plays guitar like no other. In fact when Pink Floyd were touring in 1988-89 Waters complained that they filled stadiums where he was playing and 3 people & a dog turned up to his show. There are also 4-5 songs on Dark Side that he wrote lyrics for but the music was not his. He's a bitter, twisted & confused old man.

Be that as it may, most - if not all - of PF's songs wouldn't have the same emotional impact without Gilmour's playing. Comfortably Numb, Time, or Shine on... to name a few. Lyrics wouldn't be enough to make them what they are.

We jeered at it. It was well produced but the only good song was Money. That was great. We did NOT jeer at WYWH. A far superior album.

Your statement that “it won’t be heard live again” isn’t exactly true. There are some great tribute bands performing their music. I’m going to see a local (Wisconsin) outfit in November who are going to do all of DSOM. They did The Wall a couple of years back with full stage show - even with some of the original animation! It was amazing. Yeah, it’s not with any members of PF but I think we can compare this to how classical music is performed….definitely not with “original members”, but ultimately it’s the music that’s important, which will live on long after all of them have passed on.

​@@eugenedevere7687Lol what a crazy statement. The whole album is absolutely top notch

Waters found himself playing solo, to a crowd of 1800 in the same city, that pink Floyd was playing to 36,000, he said it was eye opening!

Waters found himself playing solo, to a crowd of 1800 in the same city, that pink Floyd was playing to 36,000, he said it was eye opening!

Come on, Roger has been flapping his lips in public for years. Gilmour says nothing.

​​@@spooge33yeah he has his wife do all the talking for him😂

In my opinion, Mr Gilmour's grudge with Mr Waters is that Mr Waters sacked Richard Wright during The Wall recordings. He even slated the poor man after he died and I don't think Mr Gilmour's wife, or Mr Gilmour will ever forgive Mr Waters for that. When they did The Wall concert back in 1979 Pink Floyd lost a hell of a lot of money and the only musician who made any money during those concert's was none other than Richard Wright, because he was hired as a session musician. And that made Mr Waters a very bitter individual...

I'd say it's almost all Polly at this point. Polly despises Roger with a rabid passion due to his politics, and David has never really ever been a particularly strong personality, he just kind of rolls with whatever the people around him are doing. He essentially replaced Roger with a female Roger, both of whom are very dominant personalities who are strongly activist in their political beliefs.

Waters is out of his damn mind. I give Gilmour props for not speaking out more

The lightning going in sync with the lasers during Wish you were here to this day is the most epic thing I've witnessed at a concert!

Bwahahahaha!

Ok. Yeah Sammy Hagar should have kept his mouth shut as well. Phil Collins as well...

Such a boring 'feud', too, one that stinks legal subtext rather than the clash of philosophies. I was on David's side in 1985, but today, in 2023, I must admit that I side more with Roger's good faith. He aged much better than the others.

@@martinportelance138 Well said. I agreed. David's cantankerousness has turned me against him and made it harder for me to accept the limits of his playing (too heavy on pentatonics and diatonic harmonies, especially from DSOTM onwards), which worked well in the Floyd context, but which, without Roger, sound pretty dead to me.

Sadly, I have boycotted David due to his support of Ukraine. He should have left it alone. He's obviously a deep state humper. Roger takes a stand for peace, David and Nick feed the NATO war machine.

@@chicklets4ever51 Gilmour supports Ukraine / Nato/ USA , who over threw the elected Ukrainian gov. Water speaks out against Israel , who created an open air prison and oppress millions. Gilmour is a propagandist for the system or totally disconnected from facts and reality .

And on "outside the wall".But your are right.

You hate Putin because the American propaganda tells you to , not because you understand geopolitics and decided on your own .

Apart from the fact that Waters is a historical ignoramous when it comes to his love for Russia. Mind you he was in that group from the 70's called the CND. -As for Soviet funding of CND, it was proven in November 1991 that the KGB bankrolled the British Communist Party throughout the 1970s - the very period when (as Bruce Kent repeatedly acknowledged) only the support of the Communist Party and of the Quakers enabled CND to survive.’

A bit hypocritical, don't you think? Where was Gilmour when Iraq, Palestine, Yugoslavia etc. were being shaken to their core? Picking one conflict and blaming one country (Russia) isn't the way to go, especially when Great Britain is the most imperialistic country in the world, with colonies all over the place. Waters isn't a Putin fanboy, nor he is a fascist, he just isn't onesided, blaming Russia for everything. In '89 NATO signed that their borders won't involve Ukraine. Then, out of nowhere, they violate that agreement and the consequences are devastating. THAT is what Roger was talking about.

Waters without Gilmour is just trash, as we saw with the Final Cut and Waters solo career. The music of Floyd was always Gilmour and Wright.

​@@dancahill9585 um are you smoking crack? Lol

@@dancahill9585 ...and Pink Floyd without Roger is simply Fake Floyd...you want trash...listen to A Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell...

@@stephenstone8480 Both albums much better than The Final Cut.

@@dancahill9585 Lol no.

with all that's been currently going on, and seeing all of roger's activism, i think the problem was more than just "band drama" and "creative differences"

Styx?? Styx is one of your favorite bands, really? Aren't they the ones who did Mr Roboto and Come Sail Away,? Those are both such bad, corny ass songs

Pink Floyd and Styx are in no way parallel

Yeah except nothing has happened...

What did she say that she can be sued for. Opinions aren't something you can sue for. She called him an anti -semite (her opinion a meglo-maniac (her opinion). Both of them by the way could not be disproved easily in a court of law. She claimed he lip synced and that has been true at least at times. So again where is the lawsuit.

The problem is that Waters has to prove he isn't the a-hole he actually is.

@@harlanginsberg7269 She didn't say it was her opinion, she said it as if it was fact, and if she can't prove her claims then she could indeed by sued for defamation. She made the claims, it's up to her to prove them. It isn't up to him to disprove them, as you suggested.

@@fuzzlewit9 Lets review what she said. She called him anti-semitic. If you could sue for that everyone would sue. Free speech. Then she called him a Putin apologist. Clearly free speech and an opinion,. Then she called him a a lying, thieving , hypocritical,, tax-avoiding,lip-syncing misoginystic, sick with envy megalomanic. mostly opinion and virtually no way for Waters to prove she is wrong since he has lip=synced and he has had trouble with taxes the only 2 things which are not considered opinion. Do you honestly believe you can sue someone for calling you a misogynist or a hypocrite, Protected under free speech. There is no lawsuit here.

PF reuniting now would be like the Beatles reuniting now. It's just Ringo and Paul. In other words, pointless to call it a band reunion.

is it always roger waters?

You can't be serious. Gilmour has hardly said a word and Waters is ranting about Jews and siding with Putin. Do you not pay attention?