Hercules! Hercules!

Timkin is still here and charter

timken had the best bearings in the world. too bad they got bought out. i hope the quality remains the same. a lot of the best things in the world have come from ohio. everyone rags on ohio but it's home to a LOT of greats, and me too. lol

my husband worked briefly for Timken, he did his machinist apprenticeship there.

Like Detroit and Flint , Mich.

Yup

Yep. Thanks to Democrats.

Way more than that during the ending of the Industrial Age.

Thousands

Build a higher speed line between them and that should help stimulate population growth! Doesn't need to be 200 MPH like California, a 125 mph/200 kmh line would do just fine! Especially coupled with dirt-cheap housing prices compared to the rest of the nation!

@@stickynorth Sounds like a good idea.

@@stickynorth It has to be fueled by new companies, higher paying and higher value jobs and growth. If there is no sustainable sources of growth there will be no investment in things like high speed trains. It's all based on attracting new companies to come to the area, and that, in turn, is based on having favorable taxes and a skilled population base in the immediate area who would presumably staff these new jobs. It might be harder to get manufacturing to come back because it's a lot higher tech now, but maybe a distribution hub is a possibility (?). Or maybe a new industry of some sort that might need some supports or tax credits in the short term until both the population base and the company find their feet. It's hard to say.

​@@stickynorth- there's zero reason for train travel between these NEO cities.

@@stickynorthNonsense. Look at Austin, TX. From a relative backwater place it grew within last few decades into 10th larger city in the US increasing population multiple times. Yet, there is no train and barely any public transportation whatever. What made it possible was climate. Actually two of them: business friendly policies and good weather.

Late stage deregulated capitalism. Board rooms have no care for the nation, only next quarter's profits.

and the Steelers

Youngstown and Gary did not escape that fate.

No, Pittsburgh had & has much more than that. It had/has multiple corporate headquarters like PPG, Alcoa, and Kraft, and several large hospitals. It already had a white collar and professional services base and infrastructure in place when steel production collapsed. .

​@@tinetannies4637in Pittsburgh, electrician at USS, girlfriend is a chemical engineer at PPG, we ok. Timken is still around

Finna look at the murder count pa might have more than ohio but ohio accepts the street lifestyle other states don't

I sell vacuum cleaners 40 years in the business. The people that ran Hoover along with Eureka & Dirt Devil destroyed the domestic US vacuum industry. Single handed and intentionally.

Lol, a great arts scene😂😂😂

Had a great Blues festival downtown! Saw Johnny Winter. John Mayall, Elvin Bishop and others. And it eas free!

Instead of making things it turns to fluffy touristy stuff.

Arts does not feed a family of four​@@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb

​@@phann860and booze , planned destruction

You mean puting all your eggs in one basket? Ya it's called Youngstown, they are nearly the same timeline as Canton with semi similar results.

u mean capitalism uses up communities then throws them in the trash. im dying of laughter.

Usual Suspects destroyed it.

Stealing from Peter to pay Paul.

Canton has looked like this since the late 70s with all the ghettos taking over .I'm from Massillon and Canton has always been dirty

That's a big part of it. Another part is that union labor priced themselves out of the market. Also, environmental concerns drive up the price of US manufacture whereas in third world countries, they don't care.

The average Chinese manufacturing wage is about $6 @ hour. The Ohio minimum wage is $10.45. The government doesn't want unions anymore than big business, but unions aren't responsible for the economic apocalypse inflicted on America, your elected leaders are. @@edcew8236

Blamed everybody but greedy corporations.

EXACTLY! WTF? THAT'S WHERE THE BLAME LIES... GREED!!!! @@AG-un7dz

When employers are driving down your wages and any good paying union jobs are seen as socialist? What would one expect. You trolls really need to pick a lane when assigning blame... ESPECIALLY when it's misplaced. NEO-LIBERALIST CORPORATISM is the blame... Companies that see employees as liabilities rather than assets and almost everything made is just a brand/badge engineered product from somewhere else? What would one expect... Cut R&D and your employees can't buy what you make? UH OH! That's the magic formula for economic and societal collapse! If you must assign blame, look to the NIke's of the world who were the first to outsource manufacturing to wage-slave nations like China and Vietnam, Bangladesh, etc. And of course their electronic counterparts...

Anyone with a brain knows where Canton shows on a map.

@@chrisjudd6 So much for community guidelines.

​@@chrisjudd6Not everyone online is from 'Murica. Not everyone is from the Midwest. Not everyone wants to be obnoxious.

@markwilliams2620 I'm not from Midwest either. Before going to Detroit back in Nov I had only been in Ohio one other time before.

@@chrisjudd6 Ahhh another Mo. Ron that thinks the USA is the entirely world.

North Canton here

Did not know that!!

So was Massillon not long after

The Canton Bulldogs, with Jim Thorpe, was the first Professional Football team in 1920. That's why the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame is in Canton, Ohio. 🏈

​@@yusefendure - The Canton Bulldogs, with Jim Thorpe, was the first Professional Football team in 1920. That's why the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame is in Canton, Ohio. 🏈

@@EdBradyPastorEd I just learned something new. Thank you. If the Browns ever changed their name, the Bulldogs would be a fitting replacement.

Oh, hey, you listed every city I've ever lived in, and I'm not even 30 yet. Ohio as a whole seems to have been hurt by shipping jobs over seas. We used to be a hub of steel manufacturing, now, we're just falling apart. Our state deserved better than this.

I would blame Bidenomics. But it Was both parties that sent our Jobs overseas. And in the end the Unions became to corrupt also

Have you been to Scio lately, it's pretty crazy to see where the pottery was. I lived in Bowerston

@@davidhickenbottom6574 We took a motorcycle ride there two years ago. I agree with you 100% looks like something that should be "back to the future". Still sadly not many jobs today. Big bom building those plants and most are from out of town that get employed. After it is up and running well, a few have good jobs but the percentage is very low. NAFTA was a terrible concept that we may never dig our way out of. The memories of back then are good ones!

I grew up in Massillon! Go Tigers! Can’t wait to go back and see what’s changed in the last 15 years

Massillon is trying its best, using its unique history and small businesses to draw people in. The people here really love it and believe that Massillon is a great place. Since I've moved here, everyone has been so friendly, so welcoming. We don't have much, but the restaurant scene is really beginning to grow with a lot of unique places to eat. Imo, it's starting to become a destination for foodies, albeit an underrated one. In truth, I like Massillon the way it is and wouldn't change it for the world. ❤

Just moved from hudson to north canton

I live in North Canton. The HQ is definitely there today.

The HQ is now in north canton. GSL, DNO, and HQ are now all in the same building.

Hows that trickle down effect?

100% correct

@@chriswendschlag1856 great if you are chinese. their wages have went up 500% since 1990. china just loves american unions. economics 101- money goes where it can make more money.

Incorrect. It started in 1962 with the Trade Expansion Act. Sec. 232 authorises the US President to adjust imports of goods from other countries through tariffs and other means; the president no longer needed to go through Congress. The president then began to unilaterally reduce tariffs and quotas on items such as footwear, textiles, and garments and did so without a quid pro quo from developing nations, tossing Ricardian logic into the bin. Already in the late 1960s in Congressional testimony footwear companies were telling legislators their market share was collapsing - shoe manufacturing had been one the largest employers in the Northeast. These were blue collar yet middle-class jobs. Their testimony was backed up by research conducted by the GAO and the Department of Commerce. Before the 1950s international trade in footwear was minimal, as manufacturers in most countries produced shoes for their own markets. In the mid-1950s domestic manufacturers produced 99 per cent of all shoes sold in the US. The import share of the US domestic market increased from 4 per cent in 1960 to 12 per cent in 1965, to 26 per cent in 1969, and to 49 per cent in 1978. The import share also rose steadily when measured in dollar value -- from 2 per cent in 1960 to 5 per cent in 1965, to 13 per cent in 1969, and to 36 per cent in 1978. The Commerce Department reported 'US import duties averaged about 8 per cent on non-rubber footwear. In contrast, the duties of US trading partners in this area are much higher on the average. In developing countries, such as Brazil, the duties rise to 170 per cent. In the Republic of Korea the duty is 80 per cent and for Taiwan it is 91 per cent. In addition, Brazil requires import licenses and has a 100-per cent import deposit scheme; Korea prohibits all footwear imports; and Taiwan requires licenses plus a tariff based on cost, insurance, and freight value plus 20 per cent. In summary, the developing countries, including the main footwear exporters, shield their local markets with high tariff and non-tariff barriers of varying severity. Recently France, Ireland, Sweden, and Australia have also resorted to quotas and restrictive customs procedures on footwear imports. These restrictions, in some cases, have prohibited the growth of export markets for US footwear...' This hit small manufacturers and single industry 'company towns' hardest first. And it cascaded. Layoffs and closures rippled through the entire community. Tax revenue fell. Home values stagnated and fell. Businesses that relied on the largest employer's/industry's workforce - insurance agents, auto dealers, restaurants, grocers, department stores - saw sales decline. What began in shoes, textiles, and garments moved up the valued-added chain to small appliances and machinery, then to vehicles and large appliances and machinery.

when Reagan was president ...

I used to work for Endicott-Johnson years ago (many years ago).

12 an hour was pretty good in 1970. You sure it wasn't $1.20 Old Timer? Factories were demanding 10 bucks an hour, striking in the 80s.

When I started work at 16 in 1968 I was paid $1.50 an hour at Nick's Texico, I also worked at Willis Pontiac while I was in high school, after I graduated my dad who worked as a Sales Manager executive at the Hoover company got me a union job there, they had just started running a second shift on their small portable washing machine line, again I believe they paid around $12 an hour, I resigned about 6 months and joined the Navy.@@smokingjoe9864

12$ in 1971 prolly like 109$ an hour now. Yup that finished them

​@@user-ts7ns7bt2v What? Nothing finished them. They moved the plant to Mexico and when they got a cheaper wage they moved to China. Now the owner goes on Fox and agrees with Hannity that China is evil. If Hannity would have listened to union members, we have been saying that for years.

@@smokingjoe9864 1979 the uaw went on strike against what is now navistar. the lowest pay was 14.50 an hour with great benefits. the company almost went under. they went from over 200,000 employees to 25,000 employees. i did contract work for them and at the time some uaw 402 members thought they should have been making 25 bucks an hour. the idiots ruined the company and pretty much springfield.

Akron: “HEY!!!”

No, Akron is the smaller sister of Cleveland.

Canton Has a really wild history if you dig

100% correct

Malone University is in Canton and Walsh University North Canton. Also, University of Mount Union in Alliance.

Yes. Remember Trump brought jobs back to the states. He accomplished a lot. But dem propaganda sway the naive, gullible, & uninformed. They buy into the hate dem leaders feel for their opponent.

It was merger mania of the '80s that turned us into subjects of corporations, rather than citizens of a democracy. The idea of free trade could be fine, but it was all for a tiny few vastly bigger and more powerful corporations.

more like you refusing to compete with other countries labor. and often other states labor. toss in a government that hasn't cared for 50 years and here we are. the average american is like a 3 year old when it comes to economics.

Point the finger at yourself (and your fellow Americans) who would rather pay $80 for a vacuum cleaner than $250 for the same product made with US materials and US labor. Also point the finger at labor who wants high pay for unskilled or limited-skill work. Every time the minimum wage is raised, the poor suffer. You've increased the cost of production, so the cost of goods and services will be raised for everyone.

What's wrong with making more money for stockholders and increasing Investors 401K's? What was the actual reason the corporations either closed or sent their manufacturing to other countries?

Happened way before China. Northern manufacturing jobs moved to cheaper labor in southern states. Then came the pre-hedge fund corporate raiders who bought up struggling companies, sold off the profitable units to the highest bidders wherever they were from, then shut down what was left. Other things like changing technology hurt too. Then global competition with even lower labor costs (and impoverished Americans searching for cheaper goods) sealed the deal.

Greed. And globalism.

Toxic sludge is good for you 😢

@@larrywest8046 Completely correct. The decline in Ohio manufacturing towns was palpable by the late 1980s.

@@larrywest8046 Carl Icahn raided Goodyear to take their cash reserves. Goodyear was a strong company.

A lot of manufacturing companies like Dieblold and especially NCR in Dayton actually left more so because of drug epidemics. In the 70s and 80s it was crack and nowadays it's meth and heroin. How else are you going to get anything done when half the working city is high or jonesing?

I mean, you could always go to Columbus? Thats what most northern Ohioans seem to be doing at least.

@@DGTelevsionNetworkthat’s what many, many people do. i live in columbus, many people moved here from NEO. appalachia as well… that’s where my parents moved here from. by surrounding areas im pretty sure he means the rest of NEO

Or Clairton

How about a video on the Pittsburgh Squealers? 😂

Lots of videos on mckeesport on youtube and one on clairton

Your right. I picked up on one several months ago. I worked for Greyhound for a bit and saw McKeesport begin it's rust belt decline. 😢

Do you want to pluck chickens? That’s a direct quote of Perot.

25th like

Well if he was right ....then you want to pluck chickens I guess.

While your comment hits the bulls-eye you will notice mine is the only thumbs-up, for you have ventured into protected political territory.

Yep. Mansfield here

Hey, quick question, but where does most of the Aluminum come from? Like Europe? Asia?

started w/ r. Reagan in 1983,then Clinton in 1990s,shipped to Mexico, then China, now Vietnam, cheapest labor available, 😢

And that is why we have a border crisis. Wallstreet pays 3 bucks an hour at those factories south of the border. No one wants to work for 3 bucks an hour.

@@blainenodes8182what Ive noticed though is that in order to keep profits high, these companies make products that dont last as much. I hope some company figures out how to be profitable, making quality products in the US.

@@blainenodes8182 nope, actually started in the sixties with toys, then the 70's with garments. when the mid atlantic states complained no other states cared so when other industries left no body cared until it hit the car industry. and so it went with about anything that can be put on a boat.

Naw mostly places that went out of business here

it’s not enough of a draw to really boost the economy though. unlike akron, toledo, cleveland state and even youngstown (state)

It's also a religion based college, people with functioning brain cells aren't going to colleges that emphasize religion.

Walsh too so small no football team in a city known for football

i think it depends on the schools. there are some schools that will be fine, others will struggle quite a bit. a lot of smaller, less prestigious schools will suffer tho. including some state schools… like u of akron not too far up the road from canton. akron is not a college town but the school has financial troubles, along with the city.

@@UserName-ts3sp : Akron, Ohio certainly IS a college town!

@@thegreypath1777 akron isn’t a college town. its a town with a college in it. kent is a college town.

high crime rate per capita

crack heads never leave

On this thread logic is highly discouraged. Sorry

there’s still like 75k population

@@UserName-ts3sp A ghost town with a population of 75,000..... are you fuckin nuts bro?!?

It was NAFT

Thank you for your comment. I'm from a city near Canton and I never knew of these people. Now I wish to visit Rhoda Wise home.

I'd advise against it. I have been here since '91,got to tell you,there isn't much on downtown. Most of the businesses are in North Canton. With each city politician only focusing on tourism and not properly addressing what the residents want or need shows. Sure,there are "bones thrown out" to the residents in the form of first Fridays,a four months for farmers market,which,by has turned into a flea market and business advertisment opportunity and less about selling fresh food. Because of the "new toy" that the centennial plaza has become. Now everything is centered on the that toy not much room for more farmers to sell their fruits and vegetables. And don't get me started on most of the special events that goes on here. Here's how it goes,a popular event that is free and people come and enjoy. Now I get large crowds become rowdy but, what I be seen in the past 25 years is terrible. Most of the residents are blue color,minority,and are at poverty level. And our local government overlooks these people,their constituents, when planning events or opening business. The reason why downtown is dead is because the businesses cater to the doctors, lawyers and judges.snd the restaurants reflect that in both the atmosphere and pricing.Leaving the residents unable to contribute to our local economy. They'd much rather bring a little of North Canton in this city to placate them leaving us out of the cold. And the events? They cost hundreds of dollars to buy a ticket to go to events, and I mean the good ones , to keep the "riff raff"out. Riff raff, is code meaning the poor. And that's just the start.. So,my advice,stay away.

@@MultiTimelady Thank you for your thoughtful comment, MultiTimelady, but it seems most of what you wrote here are also happening in other cities, especially the larger ones. I have lived in San Francisco (not now) and from what I’m hearing that city is almost dead, due to the same reasons you cited here. My interest in Canton, OH, is a religious one. In the 1930s, there lived in Canton a woman named Rhoda Wise, who suffered enormously from wounds and broken bones incurred from having accidentally stepped on a broken sewer cover. The wounds would not heal, plus she had other health problems. Later she developed a huge tumor in her stomach, which kept on regrowing and had to be taken out several times until there was hardly any skin left to cover the surgical wound which would not heal. During her long hospitalization, Rhoda converted to Catholicism and learned how to pray with the nuns who were the nurses in the hospital. When doctors had given up on her and she was taken home to die, Rhoda had visions of Our Lord Jesus Christ, who asked her if she could suffer some more for the conversion of sinners, and she said yes. St. Therese also appeared to her and healed her leg. Rhoda then became a mystic and a stigmatist, incurring the wounds of the crucified Christ on her head, hands, feet, and side for the conversion of sinners and healing of the sick. Every time Jesus appeared to her, her house emitted bright lights that got the attention of neighbors, and pretty soon, large crowds from all over Ohio and beyond gathered around her house. Many sick people were healed, and many went back to practicing their religion. Rhoda’s husband, who was an alcoholic, suddenly stopped drinking. One of the people Rhoda healed was a young girl named Rita Rizzo, who suffered from a debilitating stomach ailment. Rhoda prophesized that Rita would become a nun who would become a spiritual guide to millions. That prophecy was fulfilled. In time, Rita became “Mother Angelica” who founded the Catholic network, EWTN. Mother Angelica became enormously popular with her no-nonsense programs peppered with hilarious humor while teaching Catholicism. Rhoda Wise died in 1948 and is now given the title "Servant of God," a candidate for sainthood in the Catholic Church. Her house in Canton has become a pilgrimage site for Catholics. That’s why I would love to visit her house, and see a bit of Canton myself. But right now, I can’t afford to do that. Please do a search on Rhoda Wise and Mother Angelica for more and accurate information. Thank you and God bless you.

Yes... Yes you do

Democratic policies!!

Democratic policies!

Wow

Obama said he would make us a service based economy. Would you like fries with that, sir?

It is a[ ]system. No one wants what it produces. Lazier, the laziest of, [citizens]? Mexican is something to be used to bring and keep humans to/at market. NAFTA lazy? (Mexicos already [attached]): [ ] Y [ ] N?

Westing house then built a plant in Mexico. Wonder why?

How about demands of executives for multimillion dollar salaries and bonuses?

@@GH-oi2jf OK, blame it on the Jewish executives.

That'd make too much sense. This is the government we're talking about.

Because Ohio is a red state now and all conservatives don't want a government hand out especially from the federal government. I bid them good luck in rebuilding their city.

enemy of united states