Who is your favorite Pokemon villain??

Cyrus died after 3 weeks in the distortion world due to a lack of food

I love how Archie and Maxie just become chill after almost dooming the entire world

Imagine getting defeated by a kid who got their starter Pokémon a week ago

I really do love how Volo said “it’s just a prank” and got away with trying to dethrone God

So, just a bit of an interesting thing, Pokemon X and Y actually are the only time a villain actually has a different fate in different versions. In Y, the Ultimate Weapon is powered by the energy of Yveltal, the Legendary Pokemon of Death, which means that when Lysander turns the weapon against himself it kills him. In X, Lysander's fate is actually _worse than death,_ as the weapon was powered by the energy of Xerneas, the Legendary Pokemon of Life - which means that X's Lysander is now immortal and buried alive under tons of rock.

Of the many ways a villain can go out, getting nuked to death at the command of a toddler has got to be one of the most disrespectful.

I'm fairly sure that Ghetsis was also the only villan to actually straight up attack the player with intent to kill in Pokemon B2/B2

If you played X instead of Y, Lysandre doesn't die but he gets eternal life and has to live as an immortal but crushed and buried under a collapsed cave.

If we ignore the part where they wanted to destroy the world's entire biosystem, Archie and Maxie's situationship is lowkey funny. Also, poor Cyrus is so much of an introvert, he actually love the distortion world more than the actual owner of the place does.

The closest to a villain role in SV is the professors. They mistreat Arven, cause dangerous pokemon to appear in their world through their reckless research.

Gotta love how *Bonnie* technically killed Lysandre. Truly amazing.

I always feel like the entire villain plot of Platinum could be avoided if Mars or someone just got Cyrus a lexapro or something

I still find it funny how Giovanni went from mob boss to Kang the Conqueror in the spam of 20 years

Yeah, team plasma was disappointingly quite nerfed in the anime. I know a lot of that had to do with factors outside the anime’s control, but still.

11:00 Lillie the Nihelego also got adopted, making Lusamine’s original goal of befriending nihelego completed in a much more non-damaging way.

I think my fave of the bunch is Colress, but only bc I love the fact that they put so much work into a character like him, a scientist who is indifferent to the suffering of others, caring *only* for his research, there is no need for the ends to "justify" the means bc he feels no need to justify his actions in the first place, only for them to give him a head that looks like the internet explorer icon and rendering me entirely unable to take him even a little bit seriously LMAO

Volo has to be the one I'm most curious about what happened to. He said he was going to conquer Arceus "No matter how many centuries it takes" him. To me that implies he had at least something in mind for prolonging his life, potentially to an immortal scale. I'd love to see him cameo in a newer game where he's lived all the way to the present.

The truth is that Cyrus needed an anti-depressant. A strong one. I don't know how the health system works in sinnoh, but i guess nurse joy needs to try something to help this guy

Honestly, when you lay it out, I'm more concerned for Cyrus than anything, like, the guy likes the distortion world and intentionally traps himself in Darkrai's nightmare, that's... I'm very concerned for his mental and will to live is all I'm saying.

Volo leaves declaring that he will achieve his goals, no matter how many centuries it takes him. There's already implications that Volo is of a previous time, so it's entirely possible that Volo has been quietly manipulating things.

I feel like there's not enough talk about how a version of Colress got into the RR headquarters, likely from the same universe that Ghetsis came from, and just punked the Plasma Big Bad. He really was USING Plasma all the way through.

Always had a headcanon that Archie and Maxie were holding hands and walking away off to the sunset together

Ok but the scene were Guzma is trying to keep the grunts seperated is hilarious

While Masters' canonicity can be debated, I like Masters bringing back the original Lysandre after he was presumed dead for about seven years, and developing on his friendship with Sycamore. I feel that was something interesting about both of them in XY was them being friends, but they never developed on it any. Also, you didn't mention this, but the total unhingedness of him getting to boil two people alive with Volcanion, like I'm still in awe that was greenlit. And then it's heavily implied he was going to do the same to a third. I always made serial killer jokes about him, but it seems they made it official.

Fun bonus: The lead scientist of team Flare (don't remember his name) continued doing shady things until being arrested by Looker in the post game of x and y

I hope they someday conclude the story of Giovanni and Team Rocket in the anime. They’re(so far) no longer the longtime marketable villains, so it’s possible.

In Paldea, the main villain was already gone, and you're fighting what remains of their will, kinda makes me think of who will be the antagonist of the DLC since as of now there are no clear bad guy in Paldea

N arguably isn't a villain, so you made the right choice to axe him from this list. He was just a pure-hearted man who was manipulated into doing evil acts. Easily manipulated due to how much kindness in his heart he has for Pokemon. If someone wants to argue that N is a villain, they might as well call the protagonist, Lan Hikari, from the Megaman Battle Network series one too, with how many times he's fooled in the series, sometimes into doing an evil act he doesn't intend to do.

I don’t consider Ghetsis gone as a threat in the games’ universe. Our word that he isn’t scheming comes from…the group whose sole purpose was to help him achieve his schemes. Yeah, NOT the most trustworthy source on his motives being neutral now. 😂

also, in the Emerald arc of the manga it’s flat out stated, not implied, that Maxie killed Archie so he could use the Guile Hideout armor

I'd argue that the Pokemon Professor is the main villain of the Scarlet/Violet games since it's their experiments that caused all the problems in Area Zero, problems that could spill out into the rest of Paldea at any time. They're not as outright malicious as the other villains but still as close as you can get.

Lysandre really met his end to an 8 year old commanding one of the most canonically powerful legendary pokemon huh... That's somehow even more disrespectful than you in the games catching the legendary the evil guy wanted and using it against them.

In Masters we found out that ORAS Archie and Maxie were friends in the past, even being part of the same green piece like organisation before splitting up and creating Team Aqua and Magma. At the end of their Masters Story they then want to work together again to preserve the beauty of nature. They could ally with Lysandre who has an equal goal. But that's just my wishful thinking as he has the Water/Fire type at his side.

Volo actually shows up for one second in one of the mini series on the Pokémon KZfaq channel. I need more Volo content 🥲🥲

To summerize: Giovanni: Lives as a free man and wants to have revenge someday, maybe. Maxie and Archie: Gives up on being villains and become friends while in the manga they, uh, idk... Cyrus: In the games (DP/BDSP), he goes to Battle Tower. In Platinum, he gets stuck in Distorsion World. And in the anime, he creates a new world but gets stuck there forever. In Masters (which might not be canon), he tries to make a never-ending nightmare in the world but gives up on that idea and leaves. N: Goes on a journey to find his meaning in life. Colress: Goes around the world and innovate things while in the Anime he gets in prison. Ghetsis: The BW/B2W2, he becomes crazy and gives up on taking over the world, while other versions of him still tries to do it. In the anime, he gets in prison. Lysander: Probably died. Guzma: Becomes a student while in the Anime he disbands Team Skull after losing the Leauge. Lusamine: In SM, she gets transported to Kanto to Bill to save her life. In USUM, she stay as the president of Aether Paradise and in the Anime she gets her family united again. Rose: Goes to prison but in the Anime, he lives hidden as a free man. Volo: Disappears. Due to strong theories of him being a time traveller, he might have found a way to get to another era and found a way to meet Arceus there. Penny: Disband Team Star and becomes friends with the player. Professor Sada & Turo: Died a long time ago and their dream project got shut down.

As someone who has made it far enough in the manga I can safely say I still don't know what happened to Archie and Maxie. In ORAS they're kind of like evil ghosts who can possess people but if I remember correctly they just kind of disappear at the end.

It’s weird that both the anime and manga almost completely removed Colress’s complexities and potential for good.

5:05 Cyrus chose Infinite Tsukuyomi it seems

Just gonna say, I love Lysandre a whole lot. I like the idea that he is killed in the collapse of the weapon in Y, but in X, he would theoretically become immortal from the effect of Xerneas' power. He's just stuck under the rubble in my mind, immortal but not bothering anyone. Until TPCi sees fit to release him from his self-made prison in revisiting Kalos.

Tbf with Giovanni, I would have self-confidence issues if a bunch of 11yo lab monsters were running around the whole world casually fighting entire organizations and pokegods

Cyrus isn't evil, really. He's just the most apathetic person to ever exist. I also believe he doesn't die in the Distortion world because I don't think anything really exists in there. From the Manga with Maxie and Archie they go there after they die, and with Giratina being the god of Anti-matter (the thing that is everything that isn't a thing) I just think he's just in this limbo place where he gets to know peace.

Archie and Maxie are so strange in the manga sometimes. Like it was heavily implied that one murdered the other in order to survive the whole 'controlling a legendary against its will kills the trainer' thing.

What happened to Volo? Gamefreak : 🤷‍♂️

9:46 And in the same event, he and Malva obliterated two TR recruits who were infiltrators trying to cause internal troubles and feud within the ranks of Team Flare, so... Yeah, dont mess with Lysson in Masters' canon XD

Bonnie being the one to take down Lysandre in the anime, is both hilarious and kind of iconic. 😂😂😂 All Hail Queen Bonnie and her Knight, 100% Zygarde! 😂

You should make videos dedicated to the Adventures manga at some point. Also, I think it's heavily implied that Lysandre murders two Team Rocket Grunts with Volcanion in Masters EX.

Where is the worse villain of pokemon? The most evil of them all. The one that has gave million of kids trust issues. The one that has a subreddit dedicated to people posting about how much they hate her? Where is Mindy?

Kinda relate to colress, like just join an evil grouo and use their resources to your own experiments.

I would like to point out a mistake in the video regarding Guzma’s anime fate. He was about to disband Team Skull after Ash beat him but they wanted to stick with him to learn to battle as awesome as he did. You can even see them in Pokémon Journeys, with all the Team Skull apparel still present. I guess they’re a lot nicer now

We didn't see Giovanni after US/UM! He said he would return where is he then! As for Cyrus dude is probably having a Apocalypse Look with clothes tear downed basically living in the Distortion World preparing to go into war with Sinnoh.

I dunno, I think Origins Giovanni legit goes through a heel-face turn iirc his dialogue after fighting Red is based on the gen 1 incarnation, and not the revised, more ambiguous response from after he's defeated in FRLG, where he DOES show up in later games with an overall just as antagonistic goal of starting up team rocket again (though it might be just him changing his mind when he hears Team Rocket calling for him during the radio tower takeover) I could be wrong though

Gotta love how the manga brings out another side of Pokémon, especially for tie in material

Good to know that others realised that lysander's murder was on bonnie☠️ Although I didn't actually realise that zygarde didn't actually kill Lysander in adventures XY

isn’t maxie also an alcoholic in the manga?

I remember when in the anime, they killed Lysandre like it wasn’t a kids show 💀

The villains of Paldea are all already long gone by the time to story actually begins. One set got fired/resigned after they failed to do what they were supposed to do, and the other set are posthumous. The story of ScVi is more about recognizing and dealing with the aftermath of everything that happened long before you got there.

I love cyrus Cyrus music is best

Ghetsis ordering kyurem to impale the player with multiple sharp icicles at the end of bw2 is the most metal thing a villain has done, apart from lysandre activating a miniature version of a halo ring

You missed the part in masters where it can be implied Lysandre killed two team rocket grunts

Lol Archie and Maxie also find love in each other, literally

JPR's reaction to Archie and Maxie's fate in the manga is pretty accurate.

Fun fact, in the Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Adventure manga, after getting beaten by Hareta, Cyrus ends up finding his way to Giratina's Dimension, and after seeing Charon use Team Galactic just to get money and riches and after the battle with Giratina, decides to give up Team Galactic and disband it. So in the manga, he not only turns over a new leaf but officially ends Team Galactic.

Volo: *Gains you trust, betrays you, works with the devil, leaves.*

Volo is hinted at being either a time traveler or immortal, though I think it’s the latter of the two. He and Cogita are both descendants of the ancient Sinnoh people. The poems you find around the region are actually written by Cogita a LONG time ago. So I think Volo and Cogita are older than we think.

I like how in Y Lysander is just dead but in X Lysander is immortal and trapped under the canon

Evice was arrested. Greevil and his son Eldes fled and promised to change their ways. Ardos left to probably commit more war crimes

My head canon was always that, after his psychological breakdown in B2W2, and subsequent defeat, Ghetis Suffered a stroke and would presumably remain bedridden for the rest of his life. Hense the Shadow Triad's lines regarding his fate.

Still can’t believe so many people believed the giovanni suicide theory thinking the radio static was actually him jumping down to the water

Archie and maxie legit pulled a *just a prank, bro*

This was a really fun and interesting video! I would love to see one like this about the pokemon protags after the end of their games

Guzma actually never disbanded team skull in the anime. He considered it, but Plumeria and the rest of the gang were all inspired by his last efforts in the tournament so they continue to exist afterwards. If I remember correctly, they even make an appearance in the audience when Ash returns to Alola and fights Gladian, Kiawe and Kukui

Fun Fact: Lysandre possibly dies in not just Pokémon Y and the anime, but in Pokémon Adventures as well. In comparison, I don't think any other major villain died in the manga. For all the talk about Adventures being dark and edgy, it is light in important deaths.

I’m planning on working on what happened to the different villains and teams in my fangame. The regional evil team is led by a former Team Flare admin from Johto who sought revenge against Team Rocket, Colress became the Professor in the region that the Nature Preserve is part of, Ghetsis shows up again to unseal the dark force that drives the madness of Team Plasma, Gladion has taken over as Vice President of the Aether Foundation, aiming to stop Pokemon from facing what he faced (USUM is the canon game in mine), Saturn is the leader of Team Galactic, which is now an actual energy company, and Team Aqua’s Matt is now a gym leader alongside his sister (an original character of mine) and uses a Crawdaunt as his ace

First time seeing a video of yours! Definitely looking forward to more! Love the energy!

I want to play a pokemon game in one of the fallen timelines that's run by one of successful villians. Instead of going on the regular pokemon journey, you join a resistance or something. Gym leaders would be the villian's lieutenants and instead of hikers and power plant workers, it would be hired goons, mooks, and crooked officials or something. Maybe wild pokemon could be shadow pokemon or something, i don't know i loved the sense of peril in legends arceus.

Nothing like "becoming one" with your archnemesis to make you rethink your ways

Here's hoping Volo shows up in Masters now that Adaman and Irida made their debut

Lysandre's demise in the game always baffled me when I played it. Mainly because of the reactions of the characters. I think I distinctly remember someone going. "Well that was intense. Welp, I'm gonna go fill up my Pokedex now. What are you gonna do, MC?"

Archie and Maxie if they had just gotten a normal divorce instead of whatever they did in the manga.

Bonnie murdering Lysandre is not the plot twist I was expecting to see today

I think the reason for the discrepancy in Giovanni’s reformation and then sudden relapse to evil is that pokemon origins followed the plot of the original pokemon red and blu where Giovanni has a change of heart while the current mainline continuity uses fire red and leaf green’s where Giovanni declares that team rocket will make a comeback

The intense fight between Team Plasma and Team Rocket that never happened 😢

A small thing I want to add for Lusamine. In the Masters game, that seem to follow Ultra Moon, Lusamine is shown to actively trying to rebuild her relationship as a mother to Lillie and Gladion though both an event when they were all first added, and a few others where Lusamine is show being protective of them. Even Guzma acknowledged she is actively trying to be a mother now. ((I have a whole thing of personally trying to piece together which game version is “canon” to Masters. Like Masters implies that it’s timeline is Platinum with Cynthia mentioning that last she saw Cyrus he was in the distortion world, but then Cyrus himself is actively plucked from Pearl right before his victory/defeat due to Hoopa (hence him having Palkia). Or Lysandre talking about having tried to use Yveltal for the weapon, implying the timeline used Y))

Imagine if Volo appears in Masters with his Sync Pair being Arceus. Would be wild af.

In the games a Team Flayer Grunt mentions a fire in the bunker and that people died, many people I’ve talked to assumed Lycanser burned to death in the room with the weapon

That was a great video ❤ I love these type of videos a lot ....you brother got yourself a new subscriber 😁

I would argue that Professor Sada/Turo is the antagonist of SV, they just failed before the story started

I'd argue Sada/Turo are the closest to Paldea's villains since they're the final boss and also have motivations that aren't well regarded by the player. Although, they still break the mold of not really having a "team," unless the DLC reveals something interesting about the paradox pokemon...

Just because Giovanni had a change of heart in Pokémon Origins doesn’t mean he did in the games. They are separate universes (or maybe even entirely separate canons), to my knowledge.

Insane theory: Chairman Rose commits [redacted]. We last see him standing over a chasm and never see him after we beat him. Sure the cops claim to have arrested him, but that could be them (or PokeCo) saying "Yes we caught the bad man and he totally didn't jump off this very high tower". Every time you meet up with Oleana, she talked about him in the past tense and in the Frozen Tundra, is looking for Rose in a GRAVEYARD!

honestly, passio's ghetsis should have known better than to wipe out John Wick's dog. now look what did you make Paulo do.

JPR is cooking with this video

In my school vr game, Cyrus gets 2 new companions in the destortion world who are the main protagonists of Gundam witch from mercury after Goalius kicked them both into Giratina who teleported both the the destortion world only to find Cyrus dead

I can't believe it 😮😮😮😮. At 11:25-11:32 Chairman Rose and Oleana were there on that episode of Ash vs Leon final battle. Nobody didn't know that when they aired the episode. You have a good eye. Now that got us a question what were they doing over there and how did they survive the helicopter 🚁 crash?

The manga is weird as heck and I kinda love it for that

What happened to the Bittercold, JPR? What happened?

Nah cause the RSE ORAS manga was wild. After having used al there energy to control kyorge and Groupon, they nearly die. But an admin whose secretly part of team rocket gives them one pair of armor that will save one of them. Archie then kills Maxie so he can live on and use jirachi to summon a like 500 ft kyorge

In the manga, both archie and maxie die due to their bodies not being able to handle the power of the orbs.

It's fairly interesting how the closest thing to a villain in Gen 9 is the Ruinous Quartet themselves