Oh Hi Doug

Since Hugh Jackman is done as Wolverine, you should review "The Wolverine" or "X-Men United"

Channel Awesome definitely there's

Channel Awesome I wish you could come to Yorkshire for a convention, I would really like to meet you guys.

Channel Awesome Lindsey beat you to the punch. As punishment you must do a crossover with her and Spoony.

"Oh, I know! I'll turn him into a flea, a harmless little flea. And then I'll put that flea in a box. Then I'll put that box in another box, and mail that box to myself. And when it arrives ... I'LL SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER!"

Bloody true, she was awesome. Not as *evil* as some old villains I guess but I much prefer her to, say, Ursula for instance.

Yzma and Kronk are the best part of the movie

Earth may you rest in peace you awesome, amazing sexy god of greatness.

who?

His name was Ronno

Kat the Ghost When he smiled I peed a little.

My favorite underrated Disney Villain Monstro (That Whale was so intimidating). But I do have a soft spot for Edgar.

I liked Amos Slade (Fox and the Hound.) Villain gone good. Plus, he might shoot Asshole Deer some day.

ZuperNEZ I lost my shit when he said that.

Max Ford memorable quotes from villains that I like: Bellwether: fear always works Khan( cumberbatch): I'm better... in everything The joker: why so serious Magneto: at the count of three I'm gonna move the coin Yzma: pull the lever kronk...WROOOONG LEEEEVEEEEEER! Hope you enjoy it, again these are villains I like

VegAnCap Libertarian Facillier, Syndrome, and Lotso, as well.

VegAnCap Libertarian Yzma, along with Hades, Captain Hook, Ratigan and Gaston are funny Disney villains in my opinion.

@@koolmckool7039 Um...don't you mean "Or"?

@@thisaccountisembarrassingi4429 😤 FINE, SAY THAT AGAIN, *OR* WE'LL BURN YOUR HOUSE TO THE GROUND!

Probably the best part of Princess and the Frog

Me and my friends on the other side agree

Plus he has pizzazz AND a great song. And a cool hat.

I also loved how they made it clear that VoodOo was not the big bad, but it was him abusing his magic and making promises he couldn't keep to his "friends on the other side" it's not "don't mess with evil magic" but more "don't mess with magic if you have evil intentions"

And it was GLORIOUS.

Ahhh yess!

My Favorite

@@weedska956 *YA GOT WHAT YA WANTED, BUT YA LOST WHAT YA HAD!*

𝓘𝓻𝓸𝓷𝓲𝓬

Her name's "Yzma", actually. But yeah, I adore Yzma. :)

SAD, critic

AttentionDeficitGuy she was fairly memorable, but i think what they mean is completely memorable. I think izma lacks something that prevents her from being a classic, maybe it was the movie she had to be in, or maybe in this case the hero was mostly very unlikeable and a jerk so we cheered her on more often as the should be hero instead of a villain

ilopominecrafter I think it's more that the film itself is one of the more overlooked films in Disney's lineup. Same goes for Ratigan from The Great Mouse Detective.

AttentionDeficitGuy just my opinion but I don't consider Yzma really all that memorable. All of her quotable lines are from one scene: "Pull the lever, Kronk!" "WROOOONG LEEVVEER!!!" "Why do we even *have* that lever?"

Thanks for fucking nothing. 😭😭😭

The closest to a villain was the Dream Clown but that's on the same level as the Pink Elephants from Dumbo and the Heffalumps and Woozes from Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, in the sense of just being figments in the mind .

Same here! When I was with my best friend watching Inside Out in the movie theaters and Bing Bong showed up, I immediately thought "Here's the bad guy. Alright when is he going to turn on them?" And when he didn't, I was pleasantly surprised. It was such a relief to see they didn't need a typical evil bad guy 😌

RedWolf316 The Renaissance era did this pretty well for the most part. Films like The Lion King, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Hercules, Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid and Aladdin had both their good guys and bad guys be on the same level of memorability and the heroes were just as interesting and favorable as the villains. Another reason I can think of as to why the modern villains aren’t as memorable is because back then, we often spent the whole movie with them just as much as the main hero(es) and got to know their hopes and desires. The hopes and desires element is not only reserved for the heroes and villains require characterization too. Imagine if we spent the whole movie with Simba for the majority of it and didn’t take the time to know Scar as a character and what his goals are and such. If we saw Simba come back to fight Scar to take back the Pridelands and resolve his issues, then the final battle they have would not have been as impactful as it was in the movie. The family drama and internal conflict of the main character would not have been all that interesting if Scar was a bland villain.

Agreed. The Little Mermaid, The Lion King and so on all had fantastic heroes and villains, which is why they're commonly seen as the best. I've always loved Ariel and Belle, but I love Ursula and Gaston just as much. The renaissance era of Disney had the best balance in my opinion. The heroes were really well designed, likable and a bit more complex, while the villain was able to have just as much focus yet not steal the spotlight.

Because developing a character takes time and a movie has a limited time frame to work with. Thus the writers have to prioritize between their main protagonist, main antagonist​, supporting cast and the actual plot of the story. (Btw, Batman and other well established brands don't really count the same way as brand new stories do - there has been a pop culture mythos around Batman and Joker for decades so writers don't have to devote as much time establishing them) The Renaissance Disney films still had rather simplified plots and the supporting cast was usually either comic relief or some instant romantic interest. Therefore there was still plenty enough time for both the protagonist and the antagonist. With more complex plots and/or more fleshed out supporting cast and complex protagonists, more time has to be taken from the antagonists because there just isn't enough time in one movie for everyone to shine the way classic villains did.

I think one of the best Disney movies to pull this off was The Great Mouse Detective. Both Basil and Ratigan were equally fun and equally interesting.

KingdomHeartsBrawler That's because so much emphasis was placed on their dynamic. That's really the only way for a narrative to carry both a hero and a villain. (Well, that or whatever it is My Hero Academia is doing.)

Also shout out to Syndrome seriously he is probably one of my favourite of these modern Disney villains. He kinda reminds me of a nerdy version of Gaston.

Treasure Planet is criminally unknown

@@yetiornot5726 unfortunately😔😔Here is my list with some underrated movies(not only from disney): Treasure planet,of course! The lady and the tramp 2 The Lion king 2 Home on the range The fox and the hound Shrek forever after Kubo and the two strings The princess and the frog Happily never after Gnomeo and Juliet A bug's life Andz A turtle's life:sammy's andventures Rango Shark tale I'm so sorry for the long list!All of these movies are great,btw,so i suggest watching them.

I agree

@@justaperson1793 Probably because of Will Smith and Jack Black be in it or Robert De Niro and Martin S. (Couldn't spell last name). And mostly to see how random it is.

Monet Russo Exactly. He was already the obvious villain, but the fact that his identity was Turbo was the real hook.

I'm still demanding a plush of him from Disney. They made a toy and two figures (counting the Funko POP) of him and they made a plush of every racer so it makes no sense that they don't make one of him.

You knew he was the villain, but you didn't know he was THAT villain.

Monet Russo King Candy's one of my favorite recent villains.

He also played as a Gaston-type. He was that annoying roadblock as always, but his mannerisms slightly changed a little too much.

But why can't Disney change things up from time to time?

@@monsterhanna6691 HAHAHAHA! Disney changing something? I think you got something wrong there buddy

It sort of works in Reck it Ralph though.

Hans would have been far more interesting as the wrong guy than the shoehorned badguy he was, he'd atleast be consistent.

Rah Collier That's very true. First love isn't always true love. Now that would have been a great additional message. I also don't like how easy he gets after he shows his true colors. He literally just tried to kill Elsa and left Anna to die and all he gets is a punch in the face and locked up.

That's what I thought they were doing...he'd kiss her, and nothing would happen. He'd panic, perhaps thinking if he killed Elsa he could save Anna's life, so you wouldn't even have to rewrite the climax.

Amelia Bee You just wrote a way better climax.

With one simple change you made a far more interesting conflict between the characters while keeping the overall direction the same and retained consistency with the characters. This alternative climax while simple sets up so many more interesting morals than the original as well: (as Loyda Perez mentioned) First love doesn't always mean true love, good people lie as well and a liar doesn't always have malicious intent, and even the best of people can do terrible things if they get pushed to a point where they feel there's no other choice.

MrCJBubba yeah she's really the best thing about that movie, and definitely deserves a villain shout out.

MrCJBubba I quote ENG everyday at work, it was the first DVD we ever burned out lol

MrCJBubba Couldn't agree more

Lance Clearman Just one look at her is enough to give you nightmares and then you start fearing seeing her naked... (shrudders) ugh, now that is true horror.

Why does she even have that lever

Really, if they made him the puppet master instead of the puppet, I think it would have been a billion times better

popo237 lol

I thought the villain of that film was "Man"

*BANG* Fa la la la twitty-twit-twitty! (singing birds).

Emily Patton That's true and you could say the same about Zuko (while he was still a villain) 😊

Zuko's character arch is hands down one of the best ever written. He starts as a villain with a complex backstory so you feel sorry for him, but as the story progresses you're not only feeling sorry, you're almost rooting for him, no, wait, now you ARE rooting for him, you want him to succeed in becoming a better person! I don't think there's anyone that's seen the show that didn't like what they did with his character, it's all perfect.

That show was perhaps the greatest animated show of all time. Every character was gold.

fiercelittlebird he reminds of vegeta a little bit except vegeta was a real bastard and did horrible things. For example causing the death of goku's friends, killing nameks, he pretended he was evil and killed people just to fight goku again.

One of the best Easter Eggs from the first season is when Iroh is relating Zuko's backstory and they flash back to the Agni Kai. We see Iroh's reaction to the scarring and next to him is this young girl with a look of evil joy on her face. If you'd started from the beginning you'd have no idea who she was at that point and might not even remember her until the rewatch since Iroh was the character we knew and his reaction seemed more important. It was a great touch that showed they really knew where things were going.

You can clearly see Silver's shadow when the pirates attack the house too.

There's a reason why Silver is a great "grey" character: he's a skilled pirate and very manipulative, but he's got a moral code. He does come to truly care about Jim and, even while faking his true identity, he formed a strong connection with him, even coming out as a father figure for the boy.

Scroop is essentially the main villain

@@TwinKids3895 It's better to call him a real villain instead.

Have you heard "Shiny" from Moana yet? It's glorious.

Diamond Back Yes! I was thinking that all the way through. The vast majority of the more memorable villains had a villain song - several didn't (Snow White Queen, Lady Tremaine, Maleficent, Captain Hook), but boy do we remember the ones who did.

Diamond Back I fully agree. only Maleficent didn't have a song, but when you turn into a badass Dragon you don't need a song.

Doesn't the Pirate song in Peter Pan count? Hook even sings a couple of lines in it.

Wander over yonder "I'm the bad guy"

GabrielKnightz Agreed. Frollo is the best. Or would it be worst?

Oh yeah. He's the best. No doubt about it. No other Disney villain came close to his level of terroism and cruelty.

GabrielKnightz Then he lusts after Esmerelda and gets a big awesome musical number surrounding his lustful thoughts, then he threatens to burn Esmerelda if she doesn't fuck him. It's insane how dark they made Frollo. I loved it.

He's my favorite just because in his sick way, he was doing the right thing, he sees Esmeralda as temptation sent by the devil, Quasi as a pawn sent to him from God, and everyone else was a sinner unworthy of his virtue. As many of the real life villains; Hitler, Stalin, Charles Manson, if you asked them their crimes were just the means to reach their twisted goal. THAT'S what makes Frollo so great, he's the impersonation of real life most horrible people. Also what I find interesting is that he raised Quasimodo and he was the opposite. I could do a whole essay on this story just because if you think about it it's very interesting even if it's just a tale.

That is such a great way of describing him. He can't do any wrong. In his eyes, he can have no faults. It's everyone else who is blame, because he's a "righteous man".

I have a buddy at work who feels the EXACT same way, and on that note I`d like to say Ernesto De La Cruz was no slouch either

I agree.

Same for Treasure Planet -- I mean, look at the designs of BOTH villains (LJS AND the spider-guy) How could you NOT know they were the villains, even if you HAD never heard the name Long John Silver before? Unless he was referring to the somewhat surprising twist at the end of the booby trap making the dead Captain Flint the villain? I dunno. Point is, there was no surprise villain -- we knew who it was from the start.

When I saw TARZAN, I could immediately tell that CLAYTON was a jerk. However, I wasn't sure if he would become an antagonist. Partly because SABOR had already been shown as the antagonist.

In their defense though, Clayton was the first surprise villain they ever tried and they didn't go all the way with him. We knew he had douchy vibes.

His first scenes were him acting like a giant asshole, even as a 9 year old seeing Tarzan in theaters I turned to my bff and said "there's the villiain!"

Douchebag is an actual race? 0_0 (jk)

TheTsugnawmi2010 which later devolved into the "fuckboy"

Alberto M. Garcia *fuccboi

Figures that douchebags originated in France.

TheTsugnawmi2010 The funny thing is if you think about it, Gaston, while insufferable, was completely in the right to act as he did in the old Beauty and the Beast. He was just trying to save a village girl from a monster who kidnapped her from his point of view.

I feel like Pixar does twist villains so much better than Disney. Back when Toy Story 2 did it (and it was the first time we ever had a twist villain), it was a rare concept for Disney/Pixar films to do that but I hate that despite it being a legit good film, it was the one that unfortunately started off this trend. Besides this one, the only films I've seen where the twist villain really works and plays a significant role in the plot of the movie are Toy Story 3 with Lotso and Coco with Ernesto.

omegafan101 I gonna have to agree with you about Hans. But, if you look at the battle at Elsa’s frozen castle there was a moment when a henchman was trying to kill Elsa but the Hans see the ceiling and pushes the shot to be pointed at the ceiling.

I agree that Pixar does twist villains better except for incredibles 2.

@@jmsg_PR EXACTLY IF HE WANTED HER DEAD WHY WOULD HE SAVE HER LIFE THIS IS STUPID.

Agree wholeheartedly. The logic and motive behind Stinky Pete is well written and actually adds to the story. Same with Waternoose in Monsters Inc. It's a surprise, but it makes sense. Hans was completely unneeded as a villain. Heck, when I was watching Frozen for the first time, I was expecting it to take the Enchanted route where Ana would just realize that she's not in love with Hans like she thought she was.

I feel like she's a foreshadow on what today's villains are going to be like. like how some were normal people but something happened that made them lose there sanity. but than later villains are becoming twist villains at the sametime.

I miss hand drawn movies in general

I do to. It was a time when love and passion was put into every frame of work. Now it's love and passion put into a computer that does every frame of work.

Seacliff - I feel the same way! I'm actually considering to be an animator for that reason, and if I ever do stick with it, I'll try to do 2D work

They are amazing, but unfortunately there is not as much money in it. 3D is cheaper and faster. If classical animation is used, it's for short films or to accent 3D.

Barn Owl Entertainment - What, 2D animation? Yeah, I agree, maybe that's why I like anime...

Songs wouldn't change the fact that some of these twist villains feel half-baked. If anything, it would make it worse since it defeats the purpose of doubling down of the "Muahaha! I am evil!" cliche. Also, Shiny is one of the best villain songs we ever got.

Mother knows best

Gabrielle Taylor+ Not even Hellfire?

Be Prepared, mother knows best, friends on the other side- the older songs were so good!

@@LavenderSheepCielo My lullaby

Ferb was right

He is great, but I'm going to have to go with the devil from fantasia. Why? IT'S THE DEVIL. Nuff said

S3RV3RCR2SH3R nope Gaston

I'm not gonna fight you. I completely agree with you. Frollo blows Chernabog, Lady Tremaine and Maleficent (Doug's three favourite Disney villains) out of the water. Chernabog/The Devil never even got a line and Maleficent and Lady Tremaine only became interesting in their respective remakes. I know Doug hates the Maleficent movie but I think Angelina Jolie's take on the character was WAY more interesting than the undeveloped, one-dimensional "mistress of all evil" from the original, who was just evil for the sake of being evil. Even so, Frollo's my favourite Disney villain of all time.

Tom Norton Agree with 100% about that Maleficent movie. People crap on it but I personally love it and thought Jolie's portrayal was done well.

He is fully developed. Because you know that He's not doing things out of "pure evil", He's struggling against his own sins, He is trying to do what is good in the eyes of what He believes as his God... And He is a person that sees the whole world around him as his enemy... He is not the same as other villains. Also, He is voiced by the best villain voice actor ever to roam about, that aids things.

Incredibles was fine, since most of the Superheroes had to go into hiding because of BS from their past and the main is having a personal crisis with adapting to a normal life and yet wants to be a hero like he was before being forced into hiding, (not to say his family didn't, they all had their issues)... Syndrome, I think that was stemmed from hero envy from his youth and jealously taking over, since he uses his machines to kill heroes and break his idol after the plane with his family was shot down and they were presumed killed in the blast

That is true! A great villain he was!! Also I found the sheep from zootopia to be a pretty good villain. Just not great.

And when everyone's super...

*EVIL LAUGH* No one will be

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damn that villain deserves the number 4 spot easily ! what an asshole!

@@TheEtherny "Success doesn't come for free, Miguel. You have to be willing to, do whatever it takes to... seize your moment...I know you understand." (Has the security throw Miguel into a pithole with Hector) "I am the one who is willing to do what it takes to seize my moment...whatever it takes." (Proceeds to murder a child by throwing Miguel off a building) DAMN ERNESTO WTF

That one was well done I thought.

Its very good twist of villian

He did bring up Doctor Facilier. He said he wasn't bad.

Mentioned sure but he cast him aside as one of the "meh modern villains"

Hades is considered so since he was a show stopper for most if not all of the movie. As soon as he appeared on screen you knew he was going to be the main focus. As soon as he showed up, he vastly represented the critics point. You look at any other main character and they are dressed in more "bright" colors, showing what role they play. Megara was dressed in between to show her confliction between light and dark. Hades however, was that dark, hazy blue with hair of blue fire. He changed colors to pink and red fire hair only to show his anger. During which, his eyes popped out of his skull and made his presence even more intimidating. He plays more of a Lex Luther kind of villain. His demeanor and stature all give of this sense of "I have everything planned out, and I'm just waiting for you to play into my hand." Until he gets angry, at which point it changes to nothing but hate towards that which ruined his plan. Princess and the frog on the other hand has a different style with it's representation. A lot of the back drops are dark and dreary, while all of the main cast are brighter and more noticeably dressed. Even Dr. Facilier had bright aspects to his costume. The Bright red clashed with every other color on his outfit. Is he darker than the rest of the cast, sure, but most of his major scenes have him bathed in bright lights of varying assortments. I love Dr. Facilier, but he doesn't enough menacing times outside of magic use. Hades was funny, but still had this air of "This is all my doing. This whole scenario is my puppet, as is everyone involved." While Dr. Facilier is more creepy in the way he moves, his actual prowess is less than appealing. A man who uses "friends on the other side" to get what he wants vs. The God of the underworld playing an intricate game of power to get what he wants. Dr. Facilier gets his power from his spirit buddies, Hades has his power and uses it to get what ever he wants. I agree with you that he was animated quite well, but so is a lot of things Disney does. Facilier's song was great, but Hades didn't sing a song, thus making him seem all the more evil . Hades didn't need a song to give him what he needed explained. If anything, it plays out better for him since SPOILERS: Megara is his puppet and he has no intention of letting anyone know that too soon. In point, even thought I think Facilier is great, Hades really does have an upper hand in terms of Villainy.

Facilier was kind of undermined by the fact that he was playing second fiddle to the voodoo spirits. If he were completely in control, I'm sure everyone would think of him as one of the greats.

I agree! :D Fave villian :D

leah fey Oh my god yes. Shen is definitely one of my favorite modern animated villains.

leah fey same! His design is amazing too! It's just a little distracting that I can only hear Zazu's voice when he talks 😂

not disney but I agree

I completely agree.

Also Pitch Black from rise of the guardians was an amazing Villain.

True yes villains like the joker get all of our love because that’s understandable he’s now the greatest super villain of all time (and yes that is true no matter what anyone says) but some villains like for example discord from my little ponies or Mojo JoJo from the Powerpuff Girls do you not like villains you would fear if they were real like for example joker red skull Mr. freeze killer croc green goblin Ultron but they are villains that you would enjoy

Also, he has such a cool voice both in my language and in english.

*+Star Sage* Disney villian done right.

I have to agree. For me he is one of, if not, the best Disney villains in my own opinion.

I did not grow up with the princess and the frog so can't say that... Plus, i think he didn't have the screen time he needed to be perfect but the story was too complex for that unfornatly... For me, it's Frolo...

Mine Wonderland I thought he was okay

@@IcyDiamond That's fair, if you liked him, more power to ya. I just personally didn't.

Mine Wonderland i personally don’t love him but he’s got some good qualities

@@IcyDiamond I see. Sure does have his interesting qualities, I gotta admit, even if the execution was what bugged me.

@Mine Wonderland While I'm not a fan of Frozen, I personally thought Hans made an effective villain. The fact that his dorkably likable cover was so seamless is what made him scary. It's an accurate portrayal of how easily real-life psychopaths can hide their true nature behind superficial charm and good looks.

Trust me, you're not the only one

No. Dr. Facilier is in my personal TOP-10 while Maleficent isn't.

i believe he's referred to as the shadow man most of the time

BetterThanYouXuD i know. i actually looked up the cast list and found his actual name.

Linmyra Facilier was the BEST. Or at the very least, the last to have a traditional villain song.

daftoptimist I agree, ratigan is one of my favorite Disney villians. great mouse detective is also one of my favorite Disney movies

It feels strange that he didn't put any footage from Ratigan in there considering that he was on the Critic's TOP 11 DISNEY VILLAINS LIST.

omg, yes! Ratigan scared the piss out of me when I was a little girl, and I loved it. And you're right to call him extra because he was lmao xD

Exactly. He was fuckin' AMAZING!

I'm pretty sure Rattigan was lumped in with what he called Villains who nobody remembers because their movies were lost with a bunch of other movies coming out at the same time. Less people saw them, so less people knew about the good villains.

I agree. He did some really fucked up shit and the results of the crimes he committed were heartbreaking: 1. In order to get that opportunity to become a famous musician and "seize his moment", kill Hector by poisoning his drink, leave him there to die, and become a plagiarist by stealing his songs. 2. Him killing Hector caused for Imelda and Coco to believe that he never returned home and cause a family to live with a life-long, unnecessary hatred for music and ban anything related to music all the way up to Miguel's generation. Plus, Hector had a 3 year old daughter and Ernesto didn't give two shits regarding how the loss of a parent was going to affect Coco, especially at such a young age. 3. He attempted to murder a child by throwing Miguel off a building just moments before going out to perform. 4. He was able to hide and cover up the evidence for about 80-90 years, which must be a new record for a Disney/Pixar villain. (I've seen some of the deleted scenes from Coco and one of them involved a different version of Ernesto's death with the final climax being Miguel having to return home by running through the Marigold bridge as the peddles are fading away and Ernesto chasing him violently such as breaking through a glass window to catch up to Miguel. He seemed even more terrifying in the deleted scenes and I was on the edge of my seat with that one particular deleted scene).

So do I. I mean as much as I enjoyed Bellwether, I wished they would have made her into an ally instead such as a damsel in distress instead of the villain just to throw in that "wolf in sheeps clothing" catch phrase. The only other sheep villain in cartoon history has been Chirin, from the anime "Ringing Bell of Chirin". I hate the way Disney and Pixar treats most of their villains nowadays in labeling them as "evil for the sake of it" when that only suits an amount of their other villains. The only twist villain to work out is King Candy more than Hans and Bellwether, because those guys lack development, deeper motivations, and more screen time to give us more than one reason behind their actions instead of throwing in "money and power" as an easy, lazy answer to almost every villain we see and expected to believe when I refuse to believe Bellwether is doing this ONLY because of Lionheart, or else that's just lazy writing there.

Disneyfan82: I see what you mean, it's nice to see a villain to have a backstory of why they're evil, whether they have a tragic past or they think they're doing the right thing. Although I still like villains that are evil for the sake of it( like Voldemort or Emperor Palpitine). Maleficent, Chernobog and the Horned King were evil for the heck of it and were great villains, but that shouldn't be used too much.

Clearly you missed the message of Zootopia. Also, Hans had at least three lines hinting at the end, so don't sit there and act like there was none.

@@matthewdilday7918 Because the message of the movie is instantly lost?

@@Disneyfan82 Did you even pay attention to the movies?

To be a modern day great Disney villain is Bill Cipher, since Gravity Falls belongs to Disney and this isn't just the movies were talking about.

Doug singled Mother Gothel out as a lackluster villain elsewhere. Lindsay (the former Nostalgia Chick) also has been vocal in her disdain. Sadly. Maybe she could have been flashier or funnier, but for my money Mother Gothel was a dead-on depiction of an emotional abuser who had me thoroughly creeped out in a way the more blatant types never quite had. She's not just bad, she's insidious! I found myself wishing the movie had been out when I had been a child, because it's helpful to point out those passive-aggressive techniques of hers for what they are and I never had that.

Okay, someone explain to me in what universe Mother Gothel is "lackluster" as a villain. I've thought about it again and she's less a combo of Ursula and Lady Tremaine than a combo of Ursula and FROLLO. She's not just stereotypically "evil" and vain, she had to make Rapunzel believe for 18 years that she is a caring, loving, responsible mother, all the while being only interested in her hair. That takes some SERIOUS acting/manipulation skills, as well as possibly a healthy dose of madness/self-deception. She knows EXACTLY how to keep Rapunzel eternally underfoot by continually undercutting her budding confidence, all the while seeming like a concerned parent. All for the sake of keeping herself young. That's some SERIOUS dedication to your vanity. How is that not fascinating? She's done what no other Disney villain besides Frollo - universally agreed to be one of the best villains - has done: Making the protagonist LOVE her. You cannot fight, let alone defeat, someone you love the way Rapunzel loved Mother Gothel. (It's in her name! She is MOTHER!) Even at the very end, when Gothel has shown her true colors, she STILL has the power to emotionally manipulate Rapunzel ("Now look what you've DONE, Rapunzel.") and even at this point Rapunzel is unwilling to the very end to actively harm the only parent she's known. She's down on her knees and BEGGING this person that has kept her imprisoned for 18 years. And when she falls out of the window, Rapunzel actually makes a gesture trying to SAVE her. That is power, guys. That goes BEYOND "I'm going to destroy you." It's "I'm going to make you LOVE me even though you know you shouldn't." Consider this parallel: "No, you listen! All my life you've told me the world is a dark, cruel place, but I know now that the only thing dark and cruel about it is people like YOU!" "NO! You were wrong about the world. And you were wrong about ME! And I will never let you use my hair again!" ....how are these not the signs of a powerful, insidious villain?

Jellyfishking3 😂

iiemxily_ Well when you think about it, Tangled is pretty much a gender bent re-telling of The Hunchback of Notre Dame.

Oliver Cuenca I know right? The villain in Frozen is one of the least memorable villains.

Oliver Cuenca why? It was a neat twist for Disney to do. They could've just made it that Ana falls in love with some rando prince and they get married, but they instead made the prince the villain who was using the Disney cliche of one day falling in love to manipulate her and take over.

I hated the twist personally. They could have made it so that Hans wasn't the one without making him an outright villain.

Hans motiviations actually make sense during the song. As the youngest brother he felt jealous, cheated, and overshadowed by his other sibilings. So was willing to do whatever means neccessary to become a king, even killing. Anna just screamed easy target to him.

I agree with Hans from Frozen suddenly being the villain out of nowhere. There was no foreshadowing of his true motivations. It's like the writers got halfway through the script and some studio exec told them they needed a villain so they decided to make him one.

Modern Disney films need to take notes from Disney Renaissance films. A majority of their films from that era had that perfect balance of complex heroes and villains and we were able to enjoy and love the good guys and bad guys easily (i.e. Simba/Scar, Aladdin/Jafar, Belle/Beast/Gaston, Ariel/Ursula, Quasimodo/Frollo, etc.) Another thing about Disney films that I miss...epic final battles. Again, Disney Renaissance films had some of the best final battles at the end of their films between the hero and villain (my favorites being the one between Simba and Scar, Beast and Gaston, Aladdin and Jafar, and Tarzan and Clayton). Even films pre-Renaissance like The Great Mouse Detective, Snow White, or Sleeping Beauty had awesome final battles. The fight between Ralph and King Candy was cool but it was more of a joke rather than scary compared to something like the fight between Quasimodo and Frollo. I know we've kinda had some today in films like Moana and Wreck-It Ralph, but they're not as stylistic as the ones we used to get and the fights used to be a lot more intense and scary at times. Anna punching Hans in the face and falling off a boat like in a Saturday morning cartoon?...LAME.

Yeah, I legit did not see that twist coming. Although I know they brought up Turbo a couple of times before it happened, to prove a point, I never thought they'd actually put him in.

Though it would have worked even better if in the Turbo flashback Turbo's voice was chiptuned and glitchy instead of being exactly like King Candy, because people with good of hearing can catch that and ruin the twist. Other than that , you're right he's the only Twist vilain that works because the twist isn't that Turbo/King Candy is a vilain and his personality remains the same throughout the movie from his introduction to the "reveal"

A good twist is one that you don't see coming but makes sense in retrospect.

I unraveled the twist of Wreck it Ralph in the first three minutes after seeing *SPOILERS* Vanellope on the side of the Sugar Rush cabinet. Which made me think "if she's a glitch, i.e. something that's not meant to be in the game, why is she on the official artwork?" Then once Turbo was introduced as a concept I immediately realized that he was King Candy in disguise. Not at all saying it was obvious. I just happened to be paying attention to the one thing that gave it all a way. Which I think may have been intentional.

Vanellope being on the arcade cabinet could have easily been because she was an unfinished character that was scrapped way late in Sugar Rush's development and the developers simply overlooked the cabinet design and forgot she was on there. Stuff like that's happened before. Also, Diet Cola Mountain (where she lives) was part of an unfinished bonus track that still exists in the game, but is locked off and normally unaccessible. This further cements the idea that she's not so much of a glitch as she is an unfinished character.

+Emi Froy Thanks for watching!

Channel Awesome Your welcome

Emi Froy what can I say except your welcome!

Emi Froy your pic tho

Emi Froy same here.

and I count him as the most "evil" villains. people keep mixing up personalty with power and don't understand the difference.

Illuminati confirmed.

Ryan James Lindsey posted hers first and probably took longer to make hers. I'm sure someone at channelawesome found out and they decided to copy her

Honest coincidence. If it was uploaded on the same day, there is absolutely no time to copy anyone. Just a random happenstance.

deadlockoriginafilms Doug has been doing this for years, you are going to get the occasional odd coincidence.

Is Lindsay not still associated with Channel Awesome?

Yeah, she was the soul reason why the movie was good.

Yes and no. She is a comedy villain, so, not a real one. When you think of Cruella you think "A coat made out of puppies!", when you think of Jafar you think "I want POWER!". When you think Yzma you think: "Wrooong leveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer..."

RaptorAnton Ive always struggled taking Cruella seriously. Especially when they compare her to villains like Jafar, Maleficent, or even the devil from Fantasia.

RaptorAnton I think "SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER!!!"

Don't see why you'd be disappointed, she was absolutely awesome. Were you expecting a deadly serious villain in such a bonkers silly story? She fit the tone and did a really good job of being classically villainous within that tone.

Xentenial Fucking. Brilliant. That was the solution for EVERY problem I had with him!

I never thought of that it's really smart!!

Ok i need a version of that movie with this motivation.

Xentenial That sounds better than what we gotten.

Xentenial.That is brilliant!I think it would be a better twist on the idea that the princess is the only one who cares about a happily ever after.Maybe they could have melted his frozen heart instead of Elsa's...I think that would be a better reason for Olaf to be there.

Ikr? I thought it seemed like a bunch of bull crud because 1. How are some of these villains alive and present to many people? (Maleficent=Dead, Evil Queen=Dead, Jafar=Trapped in a lamp AS A GENIE, and idk what happened to Cruella deville, I haven't seen 101 dalmations). 2. Even if they did manage to survive, why would anyone want to be in a relationship with them and have kids? 3. Why the heck do all classic Disney characters need to have kids anyway?! The whole concept sounds like a fan fiction idea. Now, I haven't seen Decendants 2 or the entire first one tbh, but those were just some of the things that bothered me from what I DID watch. I kinda wish I had more evidence to go off of, but I honestly didn't care enough to watch those movies because i just wasn't interested in them

I also love Toffee from SvtFOE.

Trevor Simmons Especially Toffee

Well, to be fair, in TV shows there is far more time available to dedicate to making great villains. It's trickier to do in 90 minute feature films if you want EVERYONE to be equally interesting.

The Spoony Bard Yeah, this is how it is, usually.

Trevor Simmons I like how he developed, but remains a good villain.

Alexei B Yes. Yzma is amazing.

Yzma was a queen

Doug isn't the biggest fan of emperor's New groove. But even he agreed yzma and kronk were the best things in it.

nice profile pic

Goodvillain 101 Didn't expect to see you here.

Considering some of the finest villains come already from the era that heroes were made less bland I think that really does not affect it as much. As put in the video, it's the last minute villain that is underdeveloped as a result which makes them less memorable even if they are sometimes more vile then the classics.

Speaking of Scar, it feels like Lion King is one of the few movies where the main characters AND the villain are interesting and no one's too bland.

I only remember Shan Yu because of the weird thing with his eyes.

Scar and Jafar were good villains because they were part of the identify conflict. Other villains are less good because they aren't related to the central conflict.

Is Pixar the same as classic Disney though? Eh...

Inami B. did Disney ever make a movie where the princess is th original villian I can't remember ( if not then tht would be an interesting movie)

Yeah, but besides the whole "acceptance" shtick, what else is left to make these movies memorable ? Aside from Inside Out, which is Pixar, not WDAS, the others are more remembered for other stuff. Frozen is so void, all people just remember it for the songs. Wreck it Ralph for being about video games. And Zootopia is liberal leftist progressive propaganda mixed with furry bait. I get it they want to do this, but it has become so samey and trite that no one really cares. Sometimes, you do need a figure to identify as an obstacle than just "EVEEL SOCIETY"

"Leftist propaganda furry bait" I wasn't sure before but this confirms that you're just a troll who has a one sided view on things

Since when does every villain, Disney or not, have to be scary or intimidating? I personally love Yzma and Hades just because they're hilarious, but let's not act like they were involved with murder or literally were living in Hell. Are they frightening? No, but they're not supposed to be; Heaven forbid Disney change it up. Also, then what about other Disney villains that were both? Gaston for example?

He was essentially a somewhat flashier Obama.

Toa Matoro Except Obama borrowed money and power from the Middle East instead of the Shadow Realm

+Toa Matoro *Chuckles* You mean the Chaos Emeralds?

Nah, Trump already has the emeralds. It would explain the yellow hair.

@Alex I think Toa matoro is one of those guys who think every black person acts/looks the same. I mean why else would he make such a stupid comment?

I know this is an old comment, but I can't upvote this comment enough.

Jafar is by far one of my top favorite villans. Probably my favorite guy villain (Yzma being my favorite female) I love his evil laugh. :D

31 likes Aladdin is the 31st Disney Animated Feature

EndCreditReviews And voiced by Vincent Price! With a villain song! So amazing and wildly underrated.

TWO villain songs!

YES. PREACH.

Great Mouse Detective was always one of my favorite Disney movies, and Ratigan was the main reason for that. I mean I always liked Sherlock Holmes as a kid, so of course I liked that aspect, but I would not have loved the movie nearly as much without its great villain. I do wish more people had seen it, I never have anyone to discuss it with.

In addition, he did mention the Horned King from The Black Cauldron. Honestly, I think that out of all the Disney animated movies being remade into live action, that is one I could see having a lot of potential of doing better (and the Horned King would be better if he was given more screen time as well) than the animated one did.

so do I! I love him more then randle. ''I'LL KIDNAP 1000 CHILDREN AND SILENT THE SNICHS!'' nothing can ruin him from being my favoete Pixar villain. not even the childhood ruining moment in the theorizers video: the horrid truth of monsters ink'' can ruin it for me but rather make him a even better villain. I don't give a single crap about randle. he wasn't as memoble as waternoose. while waternoose is driven to a point where he'll need to kidnap a 1000 chirden and silence sully, which makes him the best Pixar villain, randle is just doing the scream execrator just out of jealousy making him cliché to other Disney villains. anyways waternoose is better.

"Success doesn't come for free, Miguel. You have to be willing to, do whatever it takes to... seize your moment...I know you understand." (Has the security throw Miguel into a pithole with Hector) "I am the one who is willing to do what it takes to seize my moment...whatever it takes." (Proceeds to murder a child by throwing Miguel off a building) DAMN ERNESTO WTF

she's so manipulative and so evil to the point she would chain repuzle up and stab anyone and didn't need a twist. another villain I like is Henry j waternoose, although Pixar put a twist in the mix, he's so evil! even at the end he reveals his real personality and god what he said: ''I'll kidnap a 1000 children before I let this company die!! and I will silence the snitch's who gets in my way!!!!!!!!!!'' now that's evil

Miss American Pie If you want a manipulative villian look no further than Frollo

Atomsk0192 He's pretty overlooked since he's not that popular. A shame, really.

How about Yzma

Super Smash Revan the movie wasn't that popular and it's worst with Kuzco,plus,i guess that Yzma isn't really seen as a good villain because she's more fun and harmless than others villains...

@@IcyDiamond Pull the lever Kronk

Kool McKool wrong lever!

I never noticed this actually. I think I have a new appreciation for these films. Another example is the very blatant Heaven's Light/Hellfire from Hunchback of Notre Dame.

_edit: sorry if this isn't what you meant, i kinda didn't understand what you mean there_ I was going to say Zarina from Pirate Fairy... *SPOILERS* ...but then the antagonist is eventually switched so...

Yokai was that, yes, but i'm talking someone whose doing it not necessarily out of vengeance. Not unless you got one of the Lawful Evil or Noble Demon types in the plot.

ShadowWolfRising That's pretty much a lot like the villains in the Legend of Korra. I think it would be so cool if Disney had villains like Amon, Kuvira, or Zaheer (they were such good antagonists in LOK) 😃

weirdy8 Agreed. Although, it's sad that the TV department has better villains than the WDAS movies since Frozen.

Toffee is a bad ass. But to be fair, TV has much more time to flesh out characters than movies do

Melkor Morgoth That's true. However, a good writer can do justice in a movie. Look at Frollo, or Scar (for which they had more plans, but they ultimately scrapped them because they deemed them "too mature").

weirdy8 BILLL!!!!!

I love Bill Cipher as a character. I hope I can make a character like him someday.

Master Xehanort is pretty good villain too!

I'm not sure he counts since he was made by Square-enix, not Disney.

Gravity Falls had a good cast of villains in general, even some of the villains that only had an episode still left an impression.

I'm enjoying Toffee from SvtFoE so far. He's sinister and mysterious. Not to mention his voice is godly (courtesy of Michael C. Hall). Granted we don't know everything about him yet.

If you're going Disney TV, David Xanatos is the pick.

Anna Woodman That's because Gravity Falls is a TV show. It has more than enough time to focus on both the heroes and the villain. Same with Ludo and Toffee from SvsTFoE and Lord Hater and Commander Peepers from WoY. TV shows are stepping up their game.

The movie robs had a greate villan

masterxehanort3 Which is a pity. The WDAS villains should be just as good as Bill or Toffee.

Oh man, Ludo...WHY DO YOU KEEP MAKING ME FEEL ALL THE FEELS FOR CHARACTERS WITH THAT NAME, DISNEY?!

LUDO MAKES ME FEEL NOW???

Also Lord Dominator from Wander Over Yonder. An absolutely despicable villain, who conquers and destroys worlds and civilizations purely because it's "magic" to "watch a planet shrivel up and die". Along with a enduring, tween girl personality. As she puts "I crush all your hopes and then I watch. You. Cryyyyyy".

Too bad Disney TV is intolerable to sit through..

I completely agree. There's a reason why Maleficent is usually ranked as people's favourite Disney villain; even though she isn't relatable in the slightest, she creates so much conflict in her film and is so entertaining with how elegant and evil she is. Or how about Ursula? Her motivation is just to obtain power, but her personality is a mixture of a drama queen and a saleswoman, resulting in an unforgettable character. And sometimes that is all that's needed to make a great villain: character. Where a lot of modern Disney villains fall short is that they don't really have character to them, and instead come across as just obligatory obstacles for the film.

exactly I feel down the line Disney switched the two before it was bland hero interesting villian now it's bland villian interesting hero. What they don't realize is its been proven a movie can still be successful with a bland hero (sleeping beauty , cinderella, snow white, etc..) but it cannot be successful with a bland villian. its kind of odd that they fixed the problem by making both the villian and the hero interesting with a personality ( little mermaid, Aladdin, lion king etc..) then ruined it again. especially since around that time they were making hit after hit.

To be fair, they didn't really have to focus much on story in the times of Snow White, Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. All they really had to do was make it look nice and people would flock to watch it. Back then, that's all people really watched animated movies for. The pretty pictures. So the heroes weren't great and as a result the movies don't exactly hold up story-wise.

true but the movies were still successful when I was a kid even now sleeping beauty was one of the top movies i liked. there is a reason new generations like them and it can't just be because of the scenery especially since we're used to that now. it is the story that keeps us interested and the villian. otherwise we would be bored and not get through the whole movie.to be honest the only movie I think they just made to look pretty was snow white and that's because the story doesn't make any sense .but with Cinderella and sleeping beauty the story was pretty clear. all I know is movies can be good with a bland hero as long as you have a interesting villian. idk for sure the reason why that is but my theory is as people were naturally curious and we will keep watching to figure something that's a mystery. villians back then were a mystery now it just seems they try to hard to make everyone relatable telling every little detail about the characters life and backstory. atleast then even tho the heros were under developed they were more of a mystery and you kept watching to see what they would do next. now with back stories your not sure whether to dislike the villian or to see them as a victim,and you know every detail and personality traits of the heros to the point that they become predictable.

Dio from Jojo's bizarre adventure would agree

Exactly

Soooo true

That's one of the best types of villains out there: the well-intentioned extremist. In this day and age, everyone is considered the 'hero' of their own story. By that logic, the villain twist could also work by introducing two sides: both sides have noble goals, but while one side goes about achieving these goals with moral choices and actions, the other side attempts to achieve the same noble goals through villanous actions. The best film to show this (and it is technically Disney, since Disney bought the rights to Marvel) is Black Panther. Both the hero and villain of that movie have a very noble goal; to stop persecution and discrimination. But where Black Panther achieves these goals through protecting the innocent and working through diplomacy with other nations, the villain Killmonger just wants to fight and murder everyone that he considers 'guilty' of past sins. Both sides have good intentions, but both have very different means of accomplishing these goals, and both have screentime devoted to why they have come to the conclusion that their way is the way that will work. I understood T'Challa and wanted to see him succeed, yet I also understood Killmonger and knew why he did what he does in the movie. It's villains like Killmonger that we look to in the modern era, just as we looked to villains like Maleficent or Ursula. Sorry if this went on for a bit. Thank you for reading.

Hans wasn't unnecessary the film would have been boring without a villain so they put one in

I don't know. I mean I figured out right away who the villain was in Zootopia and I wan't that impressed with Bellwether being the bad guy. Still a good movie regardless of it. But yeah Hans was really unnecessary.

The thing is that she was the villain for 5 minutes. In a Hardy Boys mystery, the boys usually think this guy is a good guy, but then he slowly shows himself to be rather evil. Read any good Hardy Boys story and you'll find one twist villain, and they usually find clues that show them as evil.

@@icecreamhero2375 bruh, the conflict between anna and elsa was enough to carry the film for an hour and a half. why insert a last minute twist that completely disrupts the plot? have you not seen inside out? movies don't need a villain to be fantastic and entertaining.

@@jclkaytwo Without a villian it would have been super boring. One of the things I dislked from the second film was the lack of a villian. Also no it wasn't if there was no villian I would have been bored out of my mind. Without Hans Elsa would have no reason to come back since he captured her. If Hans never captured her she would have stayed in the castle forever. What did she get bored one day and decide to come back. What a silly thing to say.