This year (2023) Mizuno his putting out 8 different sets of clubs. I have JPX 921, MP 32, MP 58, and MP 57, they are all set up for different skill levels and they all feel amazing. You HAVE to get fitted for Mizuno. They haven't lost anything just evolved for different skill levels.

Best set of clubs that I have ever owned and first set of Mizuno's, JPX 923 tour irons, First time using them shot 1 over 73, not bad for a 7 handicap!!! I think they feel great and they are pretty soft metal for sure. I also have KBS lite tour shafts 95 grams in them helping my ball flight.

I wish more companies had this type of historical layout on their website

I had a set of Mizuno MP-33 irons, 2-PW, with TT DG S300 stiff shafts that I played for about 12 years. Regardless that I am just an average middle handicapper, they made me fall in love with forged blades. But we all get older, and it got to be hard for me to hit a 3 iron more than 165 yards carry, I didn't even carry the 2 iron, and the gaps between my 3, 4 and 5 irons shrank to around 5 yards if that. So a year ago at age 81 I sold them. I sold the 2 and 3 irons to a young guy with a fast swing and low single digit handicap. He was playing his father's MP-5 irons. He hated his utility club, hit too much left, and was in the shop at my range looking for a 2 iron. They had none. I let him hit mine, and it was amazing and sheer pleasure to see the ball rocket off the faces in a gorgeous trajectory, 240 with the 2 ad 220 with the 3. I let him take them to a tournament to play, and afterward he bought them. I was glad to see them find a good home. Then sold the 4-PW to the fiancee of a neighbor whose tall son just got accepted on his high school golf team but who had no decent clubs. I also had a set of MP-67 irons 3-PW with Aldila NV green MLTi Pro stiff graphite shafts. Last year sold those to a tall young staffer at my range who also proceeded to hit them they way they should be hit. Now I play a set of forged blades called Chicago Classics that look and feel almost exactly like the MP-33s. They were produced by Bob Evans, who was director of tour operations and then of production management for MacGregor Golf. He and a partner had their own small company from1987-95 that had forgings done in Taiwan, where MacGregor had its forgings made. My range happened to have bought several dozen sets of heads when the owner wanted to get into club building. The pro I go to, who is also their master club builder, had made up a set for someone else who apparently complained about one thing or another so the pro, annoyed, said the heck with it and just put the set out behind the counter for sale. New, unhit heads, Royal Precision Rifle Lite 120 gram stiff shafts (developed by Kim Braly before Royal Precision was sold to True Temper along with his Rifle line). I just happened to luck into them for about what one would pay for a single iron these days. I really like the feel and sound of these. They have traditional lofts. Played with them for about 3 years but had to admit the shafts were a bit heavy and strong for me now, so I studied and tested shafts (am a techie nerd for things like that) and had the pro build another set of the same heads for me (he has them loose in old boxes stuffed underneath the bench in his workshop!!) with Nippon NS Pro Zelos 8 stiff shafts that weigh only 87.5 grams and were specially developed to feel like graphite. The cost for heads, shafts, Golf Pride MCCC-4 grips and labor was about 40% of the cost of a new set of Mizuno Pro 221 blades. Am keeping my first set of Chicago Classics maybe for one of my sons.

Great timeline. Moved from MP60s (beautiful feedback and quite pure, but you needed to strike it from the middle) to JPX921 Tour/ Forged combo. Feel is similarly fantastic. The main thing for me about Mizuno irons is the consistency of distance control. Drop offs are small and the ball doesn't jump all over the place. You have confidence in achieving the yardages once you know your numbers. Enjoyed the overview

Appreciate the history lesson. Very interesting. I previously played MP69s and then played a few other makers until recently. In my quest to get that same feel, went with the JPX 923 HMP and didn’t care for them…tried the 225s, and 223s, same thing…wound up with the 221s and absolutely love them. They remind me of my MP69s, but much more forgiving….

I love my MP-20's. Truthfully, I don't see the forgiveness drop off so common in the narrative

the 223s are amazing! I had the 919 and 921 forged and tour blended sets...and the 223s are so much easier to hit, more forgiving, longer and look better. Really nice

12 Hcp. I've got brand new JPX 923 Hotmetal Pros and I love them. Much better feel than my Titleist T300s. Couldn't tell a difference between 923 Hotmetal Pros and JPX 923 Forged in my fitting, as far as feel.

Best iron I have used to date and have in my bag as of today are the MP20 HMB’s 3-PW. Great performance, feel and consistency. The balance of performance and forgiveness is unmatched by any other club and I do not even feel the need to try out the Pro 225’s

Have had several sets. When they went with Boron in the JPX 850 Forged it was a little harsher feel to me. The various HMP versions are also different but I've adjusted to them. They are not bad by any means. Still have the 850 Forged I'll play some when I want a little softer feel vs HMP.

I came from Wilson Staff FG Tour V6 irons which I liked and replaced with Mizuno JPX919 Forged, hoping for more forgiveness but still good feel. I didn't get either. I never got on with them - they rarely felt pure nor were they easy to hit. I switched to the TM P770 and the difference is night and day. That iron is forgiving and still feels great and they fly a long way and the lofts are not jacked.

I played the grain flow forged MX-23's that came out in 2004 and as of the end of 2022 the Mizuno Pro 225's. ( I was a brief user of the MP60 but realized I wasn't as good as I thought I was)There is a difference in feel with the 225's but I needed the added distance. Still feel great though. FYI: Here's what a magazine said about the MX 23's in 2004:Highest rated iron in Golf Magazine's 2004 Club Test! Mizuno's most forgiving forged iron. Pocket cavity, milled wider and longer, moving critical weight down and away from the club face for easy launch and improved playability!

I still play the MP 60. I've hit all of the new ones and couldn't quite put my finger on why I didn't quite love them. Now I know! I suspected the forging process or materials had changed. I rekindled my love for the aesthetics of Mizuno with the MP 18 MB. Just cant pull the trigger as I still love my MP 60s.

Immensely detailed overview. Interesting point about wearing headphones and not being able to “feel” the clubs lacking sound. In 2010 I was custom fit for MP-58’s at a local outdoor fitting day. They used their mizuno fitting 6 iron. Kept them for 7 years then was custom for for JPX 900 forged which was my last mizuno irons. The MP-58’s were great feeling irons, not so much with JPX 900 forged. My Latest and greatest irons are my 2021 Titleist T100s’s. For me best combo of feel and forgiveness I’ve ever played and I’ve been playing about 30 years. Little clunky on severe mishits (thin, toe and heel) shots but they’re like butter on center strikes They’ll be in my bag until the grooves wear out.

Thanks Jay for mentioning my dinasor mp 30 irons! Finally had to take them out of my bag because i couldnt strike them anymore . I have the mp 225s and my game is in ful gear and im happy to play the game of golf again!!! Very interesting content but i think my new irons feel just as good as my old mp30s !!!

I was fitted for a new set of irons a few months back and I wanted to go with Mizuno. I tried the hot metal pro, 923 forged and the pro 225. The fitter also threw in the cobra forged tec, Taylormade p770, the p790 and the Srixon zx7 and zx5 MKII. The best feeling club for me was by far the Srixon, I was blown away, and the dispersion was the tightest too, very consistent distance’s. I had the zx7 and zx5 as 1a and 1b so I went with a mixed bag. The second place club for me was the Mizuno 923 forged. Don’t sleep on the Srixon, they’re incredible clubs, and they’re a bit cheaper too!

I played a cut muscle combo set of mp60/mp32. They were incredible feeling and I loved the look with the M branding. I ended up moving into the Bridgestone J15cb. Personally, I think endo feels even more solid and thuddy. I still like Mizuno but I dislke the branding with the bird, the busyness of the badging, especially the JPX line and the use of the word "pro", feels very contrived as I'm not a pro. I would play the 223 if i were to go back.

Mp 64 are the new goat modern Mizuno irons, fantastic feel, great flight, last of the original fonts, perfect turf interaction

What’s changed for me is they have strengthened lofts and are using harder metals in their alloys so the feel has been lost. Also on a personal level their irons are not the easiest to hit.

I've tried them all and 33's will forever be my favs

As a 921 Forged owner who has also owned the MP59 irons, I can say with confidence the 921 Forged most certainly feel different. The 8-wedge on 921 forged are 1025E, and they feel close to the MP59s. But the Chromoly slotted 7-4 irons have a way different feel and acoustic off the face. Chromoly irons feel faster, springier, almost sounds like tapping a triangle when you square it up, just a shorter ding. It still feels great to hit. Nothing like my old 59s though. Never tried anything aside from these two irons in the Mizuno line, but the 59s feel amazing when you nut a ProV1 with em. My goodness.

Apart from my long comment about my own experience with Mizuno blades, I want to thank you for your explanation of these changes. No one else in the golf business, and I follow at least 20 different ones on KZfaq, has ever explained this. By the way, I hit a JPX 223 forged 7 iron the other day at the local PGA Superstore I belong to so I can use the indoor practice bays with Foresight GC Hawk launch monitors and screens. Wanted to compare it with my own forged blades. Not bad, but as you say, not buttery. I was intrigued that the loft is just 30 degrees. It's stronger than my 6 iron. And the results shown by the data were almost the same as I get from my 6 iron, but with less peak height. So why should I spend $1,500 for a 3-PW set of new clubs when I can just take my 6 iron instead of a new stronger lofted 7 iron. It boils down to gaps and knowing how far you hit each club. And the old pocketbook. I look forward to your analysis when the new Mizuno's come out. Thanks again.

Love my mp20 mmc plenty soft enough sound feel and feedback are great and well fitted by you jay

The 223 maintains the cooper underlay and yes chromoly with slots too ...... still an amazing FEELING iron ❤

I’m fortunate to be about 22 mi from the US Mizuno Assembly operation in Braselton, GA. Have toured 3 times. I’m a small account but their people treat me like I’m big $$$. From what I know, the JPX unit volume has surged over the past several years, primarily to compete at a higher level vs other cast OEM products. They have worked very hard on acoustics, note the channels under the cavity badge. Waiting on your Optimizer session !

I still have a set of MX23 3-9 (pitching wedge is MP30) they have sat in the closet for a while now. I’m getting the itch to re-shaft them with some Nippon Modus shafts. The old rifle shafts that are in them now are still awesome though.

Very, interesting. Sounds like we feel with our ears! I think this is true for golf balls.

I just picked up a great condition 3-PW set of MP-69s from ebay for under $200. Really looking forward to them. I was gaming 221s before my bag got stolen, am excited to see how the 69s compare. My bet is they will feel.....nice.

Thanks for the thorough assessment. I respectfully disagree with blade range still feeling buttery soft. I played with my MP-33s for 20yrs and dabbled with the MP-5s and 20s and most recently the 221s. They feel progressively off compared to the 33s; like going from soft buttery to freezer hard buttery feel. The sound is unpleasantly different, too. The magic is gone I’m afraid in my opinion. The only iron I found to come close is the Honma 757Vxs forged with softer steel.

First set of Mizuno’s was MP60/32’s, then JPX850 Forged, MP25 , JPX919 Tour and now Pro 223. Loved the 60/32 set, hated the rifle shaft in the 850, loved the 25’s and the 919 Tour, but the feeling in the 223’s are the closest thing to the MP60/32 set in feel.

I still rock my mp37s, love em

I went from the JPX921 forged to the I230 and h/c dropped 14-11. only difference is slightly louder but games far more consistent with the Ping

❇️ I put a Mizuno MP Fli Hi 18 degree 2008 2 iron in the bag ✅ replaced the shaft with a Blue Ventus VeloCore ❇️ Iomic rubber grip ❇️

Jay, nice reminder for sure! Mizuno 👍MP-20 HMB are wonderful. 100-02 mph club head speed with driver and index of @10 as a 50yo. They aren’t for everyone but great for mid single digit indexers. Better than i210 or P790 or Apex when I tested and purchased them.

Still love my MP-64's, probably always will.

Holy shit. Just realized the MP 30s are exactly like the Precept Tour Premium CBs. I always heard that club was made by Mizuno. Been playing those Precepts since 2006. The only difference is offset it seems? Maybe there's more but the cavity and the design of the club is the exact same. Let me tell you, when you hit those clubs well, it feels like you hit a waffle ball, it's like you only hit air. It's the coolest and best feeling.

Give a set of 221s to a good striker ; they’ll tell you how good is that buttery feel and a sound that almost feels like nothing 😊

Had mp18 SC very soft, now playing 223 soft and amazing,

I brought this up with you during an old live stream. They are chasing ball speed because that's where the market went. TM and Callaway, all they do is shout ball speed, blah blah blah. They had to follow. I still love my 53's but they aren't a patch on my old T-Zoid Pro's. My god they feel exceptional in comparison. I've tried 921 Forged and Pro223 but they feel so harsh on the hands. No from me. The 53's will need replacing sometime but after over thirty years with Mizuno i'll have to move to probably srixion to get some feel back.

I used to have the Mp52 then the mp30, stopped buying golf clubs.. 15-20 years later, wife said go get a new set.. bought miz pro 225 .. sold them, pro 223, sold them.. they do not feel at all great!!!! Bought miuras and now back to the feel!!!

Very informative. Thanks!

Enjoyed your history of mizuno. I just purchased and waiting to get the new 241’s. I “upgraded” (I hope) from my current irons of my mp14’s from 1994. How are they technically different between the two? Cheers

Totally agreed

Still enjoying my 62s. I've thought about 223s or ZX7s but wonder if I would feel its an upgrade at this point. Need to find somewhere to hit them outdoors I guess.

Jay, do you think Mizuno would take heed of what we're saying here? I know you can't stop progress but lots of us will/might be leaving the brand for something else. I scored a great deal on some Nike Pro Combo CB's they other day in spanking condition. They might be the MP53 replacements I was after.

I played mizunos for years tzoids mp14 mp 30 mp53/68 combo 53s were blah mp20mmc/hmb combo now on Srixon zx7 great feel Still play mp30 in the winter Ready for some pings because they do everything

Im still playing my T-Zoid Comp EZ and they feel great, but am I missing out on all the new technology?

Only a blade will feel like a blade but I think they win on sound/feel in all categories. I’ve not hit the 225 but the HMB feels miles better to me than the others players distance irons I’ve hit eg p790, i500, zx5, t200 I’ve heard lots of people say that the 225 feels even better than the HMB. I’ve not tried the MMC or 223.

just got mizuno 223 irons and i love them

To be honest 10 years ago I would have never even considered Mizuno irons, being a 20 handicap that is still working on a repeatable swing I need a very forgiving set of irons. Fast forward to this year and after hitting 12 different irons I have purchased a full set of 923 Hot Metal irons.

I still own a set of MP33s, a set of MP67s and until this year a set of MP20 MMCs. All of them have great sound and feel. Nothing has happened to Mizunos imo and I have owned 12 sets of Mizuno irons over the years.

I was sort of surprised that if the copper underlay tech was soo good for feel, that it wasn't rolled out further. One for the next models? Still think the MP-32 was the best feel I have EVERY hit. Pure shots almost disappeared. Now hitting 921HMs, and the feel of a pure launch is really special, you can feel the slingshot! It's underrated vs "blade butter". If someone wanted to give me a set of 223/225 to play with, I'd love to compare..... ;-)

In the recent past I thought about this and arrived at the same conclusion. For context I owned TC29, MP29, MP Grad, Tzoid, MX23, MX200, jpx 850, jpx 925, MP 62….then gave up on Mizuno because nothing felt like those MP 29’s. Just a couple of weeks ago based on your review I went back and got the jpx 9253 forged and the jpx 923 hm pro. The hm pro feels incredibly nice to my surprise. The jpx 923 forged feels hard on 4-7 and very good on 8-gap. I actually prefer the hm pro and I totally fall in the “feel” category preference. Just goes to show that acoustics plays a huge role contrary to what I thought would be a strictly an engineering process manufacturing thing - Forged vs cast. If I could have it my way Mizuno would run a production set of the old MP 29’s now matched to modern shafts. But to stir the pot a little more I’ll add that “nothing feels like a Ping Blueprint”😂😂😂😂

Left Mizuno a few years ago. Nothing feels like a Srixon. Better feeling better price.

My mp20 hub have a Nick in the face and I can see the copper how will that affect the club in time when the copper starts to be exposed.

I played MP 57and 59…loved them…but I switched to PXG larger face, more room for error.

I played Mizuno Hot Metal irons for years but made the mistake of comparing them to Ping and PXG irons. Goodbye Mizuno. 😢

Whats your opinion on the MP-59 set? I'm currently gaming the pro 225 but am hitting them too far, looking for something slightly more traditional. Found a used set of MP-59's for $150.

Imagine a tournament where the Pros all had to use the same exact golf clubs. Shafts, heads, grips. Oh, the stories they would tell as to why the clubs, the scores, didn't measure up to what they normally used. But, with all playing the same off the rack, unmodified club, we might find who is the better golfer is in managing his total game.

As a mid handicapper, nothing felt better than the 2016 jpx ez forged irons.

I love Mizuno but there are too many options. When combined with all the shaft options it’s so hard to decide what the best option should be. Have 3- game improvement, players distance and players.

What about the 923 Tour? It feels pretty buttery when flushed.

Now the buttery smooth iron title goes to PXG!

Love Mizuno but why does it still take forever to fulfill orders?? I was fit for a set of 225’s 3 1/2 weeks ago and was told yesterday they aren’t going to be shipped until Aug 4th. 6 1/2 weeks is kind of ridiculous.

I use the MP66. A bit hard to hit but buttery. Only available in japan

stuck with my Mp63's for the feel. Great table any chance that is published somewhere we can access?

They’re better than they’ve ever been especially with their new hot metal clubs

JPX 921s are the best irons i have ever touched. Every shot has Athourity. Comming from Taylormade cavity backs. Great decision

I’m still playing my set of Mp18sc and I have no complaints. I swapped the 4i for a 223 4i which has definitely increased forgiveness but the feel and sound are noticeably different. I’m curious what effect the ball has on acoustic performance? The proV1 definitely got harder over the years , at least it felt that way anyway, which possibly adds to the problem?

Jay,,,Do you think that when Mizuno comes out with these up grades, that they will drop the 225 Pro model??? Need to know if I have to buy them now or can wait a few more months....Thanks....

Used every MP blade iron since the TP9 (all within the last 4 years) and the best stopped at the MP4. The MP5 was a joke and the MP18 was a good return to form but for me Mizuno accountants had a word with marketing and in turn had a word down the line. It wasn’t about the golfer anymore, but how many golf clubs they could sell. P7MC feel better than an MP20 for example.

Mizuno gang.!!!! 💪💪💪💪💪

What we think of as 'taste' is mostly smell, and what we think of as 'feel' is mostly sound.

What about the ball? PRO V1X or Callaway Soft? Huge factor.

I just wish they would show more love to the lefty’s. i have the sel 921.

Currently playing mp-18mmc’s with t-24 wedges and honestly have zero desire to change(though newer models do look pretty slick) and thats coming from callaway and TM irons prior to mizuno. They turned me into a fanboy, and im ok with that lol

Enzo stopped forging them. His son does them now. If you want Endo forged irons you need to get Epons now

Do you know if they will make the next mp in left handed?

products forged by endo and miura are more appealing to me than mizuno bc they have a heavier head.

Why do so many male and female ture players play Shixon instead of Mizuno irons?

Unfortunately I used to love Mizunos, but no more :(

Ok fine I’ll buy those mp20s I’ve been staring at

I’ve played most of all the Mizuno irons starting with the MP 33. I still have a set of 69’s I will never sell as well as a few sets of JPX irons. So, thinking I would try the new 923 Tour irons, I thought I had better start with a 8 and 6 iron with different shafts. To my disappointment, I certainly did not like either of those two irons. Lacking something… I get the JPX line is a bit harsher. Well, I looked at the Miura TC 201 line and bought them after a brief demo! Mizuno has what?? 7 or 8 different irons and I don’t like any of them. Just sayin…. I hope the Mizuno Marketing team looks a a standard blade with a competitive CB offering. Right now, I’m considering a set of Miura MB 101’s. Too much confusion and duplication in the Mizuno line and trying to cater to ALL. Good analysis though!

I thought Mizuno came out and said no new MPs until 2024?

Feel? You only feel and hear it after the ball leaves the face.

Ok here’s what they need to do in order to get their shot together. Follow PXG’s lead. Don’t come out w new products every two years unless it’s significantly better than the old. Period

I wonder about the hype of Mizuno irons. Why don't any good players use them?

Well, feeling is a very subjective thing.... I for myself nevermore owned a Mizuno bladed iron set for a simple reason, they always were shorter (0.25) in the shaft length than standard Titleist irons for example. The reason is simple, people in Asia are not ad high grown as people in the modern western world. Now mizuno realized this fact andato since the Mp20 series they took the international standard, for example 37 inch length with a 7 iron. Ar this day i decided to test Mizuno blades and i compared them with others made by Titleist or taylormade. And they felt way better! The taylormade p7 mb are awful, they feel like a thick rocket. Tge Titleist clubs feel okay but the mizunos feel really powerful and elegant hitting them in the sweet spot. But if i compare the mizunos with my honma blades which i got from a club maker 25 years ago (anders still using!), i feel a difference between this japanese blades. The honma blade is still much more powerful and sounds "deeper" than the Mizuno blade which maybe is a touch more "elegant". If I now take a Miura blade then it's more like the honma then the Mizuno. But all these blade's from Japan are in a own league compares with the popular brands! My actual set is very very old and if i find a set of mizunos in my size, maybe i take them... Or better a set of Miura? Hmmmm.... We will see

I'll stick to my MX-20's thanks.

👍✅😜✅👍

Good Good stopped using them. RIP, Mizuno.

So the blades feel like blades and the other clubs don't. Got it.

Mizuno are so overrated.

You know what feels good? Winning money. When I thin my p790 a bit it makes the green. That feels nice

Just got a set of MP4's... I think I'm done looking into any other irons after this set 🧈💯

What happened is they outsourced a lot of their club lines to China… The very best Mizino irons are still forged in Japan though.