Thanks for checking this video out everyone! I just wanted to amplify the point that these are just my opinions on the game (I know this is the internet and we are not aloud to have one) so yeah some things I may say you may agree or disagree with and I'm perfectly ok with that. However it hasn't happened yet, but before I start receiving the comments from those who have half a brain cell and start personally attacking me, I want to really hammer the point home that at the end of the day, the only reason I am critiquing the game as well as giving praise, is because I love the Payday series & I just want the future to be good for this game because I enjoy it at its core. I really hope that with time we can see a product that is worthy of our attention. But as it stands now, a lot more work is needed for us to get to that point. As a Partner for Starbreeze, I feel like it is ultimately my responsibility to give the game the tough love it needs right now. I am on YOUR side, I hope you know that, and I will not stop until we get the game we deserve as fans on the series. Cheers

Worst part was that Almir and others kept insisting that the game is fine, that they don't plan on adding an offline mode or changing the horrendous progression system. They also forgot everything they learned from the 10 years of Payday 2, bringing back annoying, stupid decisions that the community hated in PD2 and they fixed them there.

I'm confused, the developers sounded sincere about the game being a great game rite at launch, so did any of these developers actually play payday2 and the one they created? There's no comparison on the better game chosen to be played. We're they out of the loop on the disastrous decisions made on content, progression, online onley, a full game cut down to 65% at launch with worst bugs then the early beta release! They made millions on a incomplete water down version of its predecessor. Not a good start for longevity promises.

Look, this is for people that are new to the payday franchise and REALLY want to give Starbreeze are chance. I am veteran payday player (playing since the 360), and after years of playing payday 2 and giving starbreeze money i cannot say to you guys to trust Starbreeze, for years and years they being either lying or fucking up real big, either being with the console or pc community of the game. And now in the future to put salt on the wound they make a game where they learn NOTHING from the previous title, even after doing a bunch of marketing videos on KZfaq saying that they're alive because of the community and listening to them. Look, I know that a bunch of people saying to just let them cook because in the past they have fixed the game, but hell, Starbreeze in the first month of pd2 launch already had made a bunch of updates and even a dlc, where in pd3 we needed 2 months to a simple day one patch that just brought bug fixes!!!!! We cannot just close our eyes and except this mediocrity of a game that could not do the good things that the predecessor did, that being: skills that actually changed the game, deck skills, a good weapon upgrade system, good progression, characters actually speaking and shouting, differences of design of enemies depending of the difficulty, superb customisation of heister and guns, chat before the heist, and many many more. Look, I really hope that this comment age like milk, but unfortunately I don't believe that it will. I am a big payday fan and will ever be, this game helped me a lot since I was a kid, but pd3 was a big slap at the community face and my last straw. But by the end of the day I am just a random on the internet. Do what you want with your money, believe the devs if you wanna. Just have a great day, sorry if i sounded crazy and/or had any grammar related mistakes. Thank you for reading through this rant. Also, really good vid by LilGuy! I just happen to disagree with you. Much love from Brazil ❤ Edit: Grammar mistakes that I noticed after posting.

And then the first patch was kind of worthless by itself. Only fixing bugs that really weren't what people had an issue with. The game is still not worth playing and we have no idea when actual meaningful updates are coming. All I need is a change to progression. We waited a whole month JUST for a day 1 patch for bugs when the game has way bigger issues.

"God damnit, it shouldn't have gone this way, i should have seen it happen" - Bain

You couldent throw goats

I think that using pd2 launch to defend pd3 launch is I will say stupid even because they had 10 years of game making and they did not learn with pd2 and made the same and other mistakes, you can't defend someone who can't learn from his mistakes, In my opinion pd3 feels like mobile game

You bring up the point that PD2 had 10 years to be crafted to what it is now, but that demands the question of “What happened to what Starbreeze learned with *making* PD2 content?” Because from a player’s perspective, and especially as someone who enjoyed the predecessor, the game came out half baked, and the $40 base price is an admission to that. That’s all before mentioning that micro transactions were discovered and CONFIRMED to be coming before ever- EVER -seeing what we would be paying for. I respect the arguments that you put forth, hell, I was a console player to payday 2 before paying for it again on pc because of the lack of parity years later, but if the cost of bringing the whole community into an equal world is a soul-starved, bug riddled, cheese abusing discounted experience, then what’s to say the game will even live long enough for any of this to be addressed before the community they cater to is put down?

5:50 They reaped what they sowed, you do cash grabs, don't be surprised when the same happen in return.

I hope "Payday is back!" becomes a meme now

I WANT CRIME NET BACK Matchmaking sucks so fucking bad its almost impossible to find specific lobbies that you want to play in For example you always end up alone in a lobby or with a full stealth squad while trying to do loud missions

Im glad I didnt play the game yet or even bought it. Im really happy too that I looked into reviews and waited a week after launch. This is why us consumers should NOT be fooled by FOMO.

Considering all other Payday 3 review videos, I appreciate this one the most. It may be what we all wanted to hear, but taking a step back and looking at the negativity this game has received, it is great to have a strong highlight of what it does right. Plus, I do agree that the Payday Developers have earned the benefit of the doubt from all these years. I believe that most likely the cause of Payday's state right now is due to some Corporate decision pushing the game out too early rather than the Devs having lost their passion, forgotten what they've learned or all else that is being heard right now.

Compare payday 2 all you want but PD3 had 10 years and this is the amount of innovation you got.

Yeah I threw Payday 3 right along with it's devs and publishers into the trash bin of things I will not buy nor support the moment always online was confirmed, and they will stay there until an offline mode comes out.

You're comparing quality of content of payday 2 and payday 3 at launch? Did they have the same experience with weapon and heist implementation? Since payday 2 launch they've made ~70 heists and 200+ weapons, why would you ignore that experience?

Coop game these days require u to wait a year after it launch for it to be playable or enough content to enjoy. Which is quite annoying Payday 3 situation is the same as Darktide

I think having the same problems at launch as PayDay 2 is a cop-out, it's still them repeating a mistake that they should of learned from.

One of the things that disappoint me is you don’t get rewarded for doing stealth missions anymore like you use to get bonus xp for doing stealth and not you get nothing so you just wonder if it’s worth it

You can't stop piracy. I had played many pirated games that I later bought because I wanted to support the devs. I bought and refunded this heap of garbage.

Cant really say the game has a strong core when the progression completely ruins it, and is the main reason why people decided to not play the game.

Pirates also found a way to pirate, payday3 and put on official servers

Its got great mechanics and a great frame the problem is how much they advertised it as a live service when the updates were so slow and far away. the games good just the monetization and the future has me uncertain but slightly hopeful one thing i do really hate is small things that probably wont hurt too much for others. i loved payday 2s personality and (while built with duct tape) complex story. pd3 told you everything with no room for inferencing, plus it really bothered me how unbothered dallas was about houston being missing and possibly dead. loved the personality of small things like the hud and ui but pd3 doesnt have those at all. its really minor so i wont go into detail but its an amazing game with an amazing frame and core just serious issues that prevent me from enjoying it now

I’m not one of the people that thinks the game is content barren, but my biggest fear is that the DLCs will only be a single heist each. That would seal this game’s fate.

I don't think that I would ever buy Payday 3, because when they demand 40$ (thats a lot!) for a game that has so much screw-ups *on launch* it just shows me that they are not acting with responsibility in their business. Which means they will probably screw up even more in future, all while costing their product twice as much as Minecraft (yes, I'm measuring all prices using Minecraft).

payday 3 posts on xbox day one: Triple digits Payday 3 posts on xbox now: Almost none

What theknowley and Red Archer Live did was basically False advertising.

Game's got a sturdy core, but the progression system around it being completely 100% challenge-based is a horrible idea imo, perhaps one that can be done well, but when you have stupid filler like running through unique door using sprint, I don't think they've done it well. Also, the c-stack system is absolutely gonna play into some sort of microtransaction garbage that they're gonna put in later.

Only thing is great and works is gameplay and gunplay but nothing else represent what "payday" supposed to be

You can see that the developers poured a lot of love, effort and tears into the actual "Game" part of the game. It feels amazing to play for the most part, which leads me to believe that the publishers decided to fast-track the development schedule to hit some sort of revenue targets. Starbreeze almost went out of business, after all..

Heeeyy that's me in the chat waking him up 🤣😂

Honestly me not being able to pause Payday 3 is aggravating my wife when she needs me to do something on the fly. It's why I stopped playing games like COD for now. I like playing solo when going stealth, so I have no issue with just playing offline if it were an option. I'm working on an infiltrator/hacker build, but I'm only right beneath level 50 so I got a ways to go. It's been a blast and I'm looking forward to them making improvements because they are desperately needed for sure.

Payday 2 launched ten years ago. If we're to seriously compare the two then why didn't you bring up how many updates Payday 2 received in its first month? The answer's 11 and Payday 3 got the equivalent of a small bugfix over the course of 42-something days. In current year, this big of a delay is a death sentence for a live-service title. Especially for a company that went bankrupt over Overkill's TWD and in 2023 where a record amount of studios have closed their doors thanks to inflation/no covidbux Also, it could've been an oversight but you've failed to bring up the possibility of a battle-pass or how there have been suits and prices datamined within the game's files. The devs have even been talking about a push for a Fortnite-like model prior to the game's launch.

i loved the progression system in pd2 same with infamy and I just don't feel the same way about it, the way I felt playing pd2

Forcing anyone to play how they don’t want to play in a video game is dumb regardless of how it’s implemented

About 6 minutes in and I disagree with the premise of ‘starbreeze working hard”. I’m a console player because my brain can’t comprehend mouse and keyboard for shooters. So, coming from a console perspective, they gave up on the console versions. They claimed it was too hard to re-program and re-code everything from pc to console, so they left us in the dust. The last update they did took away content which just soured the taste. Now, payday 3 comes along, and the excuse of “it was too hard to work on consoles” so they switched engines, meant nothing. The whole point of switching engines was to make it easier for the developers to program… clearly, they don’t know how to program at all. I do have a little bit of disgust with starbreeze and I do think they deserve their downfall.

for the c-stack thing, the pre-set weapons aren't even good to use. if they made it so the pre-set weapons had extra bonuses to them, such as maybe faster fire rate, more damage, bigger mag size, faster reload. better accuracy. or heck even special perks such as "ability to shoot through a shield instead of it's face plate" THAT would be awesome and would actually make it worth buying.

This video was really fun to watch it's hard to find people semi positive towards this game because of how many people i met that were super ranty and mad about the current situation it's fair tbh i also feel sad for this current situatiob but payday3 will become better in the future (approximitly a year or 2 with loads of content)

They could not have been working on Payday3 longer than 1 year.

This was a good video! Thank you for uploading :)

Have you watched Carrots video on Payday 3 though? like he also brings up some pretty good points. he brings up also how fundamentally bad Payday 3 really is. like the ACTUAL fundamental of the game. it puts the "VERY STRONG CORE" of the game into question.

We need a BigGuyG cameo

"How about you work hard towards something you are passionate about, only for someone to steal and take credit without giving anything in return to you." when have pirates ever taken credit for developing the game and creating its assets lol? if anything, pirates go out of their way to assure you that it ISN'T their work, and that you are actually installing the game created by the developer. have you actually done any research into piracy? also there's a real saying you could have used instead of that honestly kind of bad one you made up, said by someone who actually is knowledgable in piracy and has suffered the consequences of it directly, gabe newell. he says "...piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting anti-piracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better..."

game is good but the leveling system is holding it back alongside the lack of PD2 features like crimenet as such

One small correction, you said they "lost money" because of piracy, but studies have shown that people who pirate are highly unlikely to buy something if it's not available for pirating, in fact a sizeable poriton use piracy as a trial and end up buying the games.

I would agree with your point about pirates if there was ANY proof that piracy affected sales. There isn't however. Actually the data says that people who pirate your game, were never going to buy your game in the first place. So to be that greedy at the cost of your player base is very telling. And imagine saying that very minor heist favors are a way to tackle a heist differently altogether smh. Yes, being able to change going in from the front door, to a window cleaning platform, COMPLETELY changes everything about the heist and gives it "replay-ability" Just a bunch of shilling that has caused this problem in gaming as a whole. They release things not worth buying, and y'all buy it, and they dont learn lessons, and they release an even shittier game next time, which describes almost every AAA series now. But like I said. You will keep buying the call of duties and Maddens giving these companies billions for doing absolutely nothing, and this is what you get. Congratulations.

payday 3 doesn't deserve any awards! should take them back XD also who knew behind that vault on launch day would be a pile of dog shit followed by excuses

and yeah, the c-stacks NEED to refresh daily. having it reset each week is beyond stupid. i get why they did this, because on average a normal player isn't going to get over $42mil in money within 1 day, so with it being a weekly reset that is more managable. but then increase the amount of money we get on heists then

6:05 "Put yourself in their shoes: You spend weeks, months, years of your life, working on a game, updating it bringing new content to the game only for scumbags swoop in and steal your hard earned work without paying a single penny" Fair enough, but **Counterpoint** You spend weeks, months, years of your life, playing a dope game only for scumbag devs to swoop in, put a horrible screenshake function that makes it impossible for a bunch of people to play without getting nauseous, and then mock or ignore your playerbase on the socials when they ask for it to be removed or enable it to be togglable, basically taking your hard earned money and leaving you demoralised with a once great game that's now only possible to play with hacks/cheats that disables their shitty functionality decisions...

Payday 3 can be good if they fix the GLARING issues.

I played the beta and I thought it was great. I thought that because I expected the full release to be loaded with more content then the beta. But the content was the exact same other then the missions

People need to stop using the phrase "review bomb" when the situation doesn't call for it. Review bomb is when people go and flame a game because it is PS5/XBS only or because even though a game is decent people get triggered that the game has politics they don't like in it or is tied to a dev, writer, actor, etc. that they don't like. Review bomb is not giving your honest opinion about a half baked game that wasn't even playable for like 6 days and shoddy for a month and premium purchasers not receiving content they paid for even a month in. This is not review bombing, this is holding the dev team and publisher accountable for an unfinished game.

Unfinished game is a phrase thats thrown a lot in the modern gamescape, however theyre just meant to be used to say that the gameplay sucks it has bugs story is boring etc... But payday 3 is the first one that feels like its actually missing stuff, i prefer its gameplay so much over 2 but 2 is still better because its an actual finished product, i only play payday 3 with friends because public matchmaking is atrocious, theres no basic chat or lobby features and the progression is lazy and grindy, its such a good game thats held back by the fact that it feels like an alpha. Sucks but i got suckered in, might as well stay along for the ride

For anyone who didn't watch the video, it's a combination of the servers being dead for the first 3 days after launch which caught the games momentum, then the flaws in the game utterly killed it. It has a myriad of bugs and glitches some of which are gamebreaking, the progression system is reliant on forced variety, causing leveling to be a pain in the ass unless you go out of your way to use every single weapon, tool, and play every heist both in stealth and loud. The UI is ungodly generic and that along with limited launch customization and pretty much nothing to see outside of the gameplay within each heist has ripped payday's soul from it's body. It feels empty. Only further destroyed by the games grand total of 8 heists, most of which feel pretty damn similar a large chunk of the time. All of these things are because the game just released so undercooked. It needed at least another year of development time to iron out the bugs and issues, tune the weapons and make more, update the progression to be much more forgiving and fair and add at least like 4 or 5 more heists to make it so people wouldn't get so damn bored of the game so quickly after launch. I'm TRYING to keep this short, but just know there are many more issues which cannot even discuss here for the sake of brevity, like C-stacks being a massive disgusting money sink which locks many features behind wait times due to have overly expensive they get, or how most heists get 75% or more of their total cash value just from the objective loot, and thus stealing the remaining bags is a massive waste of time which gets you little to no extra cash, and of course NO EXP because the level system is tied to challenges, not loot. It just goes on and ON. This current release needed to be a public beta to test people's reactions and thoughts before they released a full game, and we all know they have this new content in the cooker, but are just gonna release it as DLC so people pay them more. I only have 100 Hours in Payday 3 as of time of writing, but it already feels like a second dayjob. Just grinding out kills using a specified weapon or spamming the same heist in Speedrun format to get them done as quickly as possible. It feels so very hollow, and the games lack of customization or intrigue in the mysterious story both of which were never problems in Payday 2 have hurt the game indescribably. It's such a shame because the gunplay and stealth in Payday 3 feels so much better than in Payday 2, but despite the core game elements of Payday 3 feeling better, Payday 2 for all of it's jank had so much more personality and variety. So many more heists, even at launch, so many more guns, unique guns at that (Payday 3 has basically a Pistol, an Auto Fire gun, a Revolver, and Marksman Rifle and shotgun and that's it, the guns stats only vary slightly. between them.) and so many more playstyles, like dodge builds, grinder, anarchist, SOCIOPATH melee builds my beloved. But every single loud and Stealth build have like 15-16/21 of the available perk points spent on the SAME SKILLS because they are just so invariably useful and there is no specialization. So much for keeping this short, but I only discovered Payday 2 last year and I have been so hype for it's sequel 10 years in then making, and to see it come out dead on arrival makes me just so damn sad.

An offline mode is the absolute bare minimum required for me to purchase Payday 3. Unacceptable that this game is online only when the prior two installments in the series were not

Honestly the game feels clunky. Everything from menu UIs to gameplay. Idk how but I prefer the diesel engine over this, makes it feel more fluid.

In your hypothetical scenario if the game launched with offline mode, not only the servers being down would not be a such a big deal - even better the servers would not be down in the first place probably as solo players playing offline would not increase the traffic...

Even tho i played this game for 2 hours almost at launch, since i live in Asia i had absolutely none matchmaking issues, it was just my 2014 (actually maybe even 2012) PC running the game badly. But then i played it in a PC Cafe and i really liked it, the gunplay, the graphics, everything! I just hope for new content to come out even though i have the launch content to uncover, since you know why. I'll be getting a new computer soon so hopefully i could check everything in the game out! I am really up to another 10 years of PAYDAY, just don't screw it up, Starbreeze...

I have a idea for the XP system: is that there will be challenges that you can do all the Time like completing a heist and a bonus on a certain difficulty or collecting a certain number amount of bags or killing a certain amount of cops I think it will make the XP system 10 times better

We just need a progression system fixed and some new heists soon. I hit lvl 70 and I can’t go on man. The leveling is bad.

Went from most anticipated to most hated

Honestly, You stated almost every pro and con i have with the game

I have suspiciouns whenever the next DLC Heist comes out. In PAyday 2, you did not need to own a Heist DLC to play it, only to host it. You could join anyone hostin gthe heist, so you could have your friend host it and you'd be ready to go. Since padyay3 has DEDICATED SERVERS that means you can only connect to a heist if you own it. This means if you're a groupd of 4 friends, ALL OF YOU need to pay up to play the heist. If this turns out to be true, this will give th eimpression of nickle and diming every single player and it's not going to look good. Also lols on the MTX leaks that have shown you have to pay up to 10 dolalrs for a mask, lol.

If the game needs to do well again i would say this it would need a major overhaul on the ui system,the progression system including c coins and much more and make it where it genuinely looks like a payday game and not a “what if cod has bank heists and more” as a payday 2 main i really wish this game can have a mega revival similar to cyberpunk 2077

It just didn't feel like Payday to me. It felt somewhat soulless and just like any other current shooter but with a, not even accurate, payday skin thrown on. Aside from the disaster of a launch I find the gameplay bland and repetitive. It's barely a month after launch and I just see myself playing payday 2 again if I want to play payday ever again. They lost me right out the gate sadly.

Ah yes it's the pirates fault that overkill produced 2 shit games, lost trust from investors and their fans, got the game delisted from steam (what the fuck) and resorted to produce very low quality cash-grab DLCs to stay afloat. It's absolutely moral to pirate their DLCs especially for newcomers. The "full" payday experience cost is a meme comparable to train simulator DLCs (look it up)

It’s so boring, fked the launch up, went silent for a month, minimal content on launch, grind is boring unrewarding.

Ngl the progression would be tolerable if the challenge system existed as the tier 1 leveling method. With completion of heists offering xp but not as much as the challenges. Not killing progression but still encouraging you to try the whole arsenal of guns and styles

The biggest rookie mistake is the ai bots not being able to shoot the snipers, what a basic concept in a video game. Pathetic

Still cant believe I spent 90$ on this.

I'm not sure if Payday 3 will ever overtake or hit the heights of Payday 2 but if it does it won't be for years unless they just blast out updates and content. The gaming landscape has changed to where there are too many games, including Payday 2, competing for limited time that launching incomplete or lackluster dooms your game from being as big as it could have been. Some games like No Man's Sky have done it but I think that is more so because there isn't really anything else like No Man's Sky so people who want that type of gameplay have no choice but No Man's Sky. If people want to heist, they'll just play Payday 2.

Its like overwatch 2. How do games get released like this? What differentiates the last game from the new one is mostely features that have been removed

it's even worse for the fact that, we don't seem to earn as much money in PD3 as we did with PD2. so the fact that it can take someone 8h a day let's say, for a full week, just to grind to over 42mil money just to get the c-stack refresh is insane. they need to increase the money we get from heists. because as an example, No rest for the wicked, you take all bags and you get maybe $300,000. then you do 99 boxes loud on normal, secure those 2 things just 2 things and you get over $470,000. you actually get close to $600,000 if you also get all the other loot as well.

Payday 3 servers are the definition of insanity

The games has been out for less than two months and it already has a dead career video. Damn

I was like wtf happened? I played at release and had a good time. Then I saw it has 2/5 on xbox😅

What core? Payday 3 feels like COD MW2019 but more janky. The balancing is bad, skill system has way to little impact making builds feel mostly the same, UI sucks, Menus suck, Progression sucks, C Coins suck, customization is bad and 6 unique outfits are locked in the gamefiles to be sold later most likely, we got our first patch that is just bug fixes a month later, online only even thou there isnt any anti cheat and piracy, Overkill is way to easy and much more bad stuff. Like seriously if 99% of the game is bad the game is bad and hopium wont fix it and Overkill will just blame it on someone else again like they always did. Payday lost its charm with 3 it just looks like a generic shooter number 258. The only reason I didnt refund 3 is because 2 is so good.

Makes no sense in combating piracy on consoles, particularly xbox as in order to play the game you do need a modified xbox to play, and with having a modified xbox to play online, Microsoft would detect and issues a lockout of the console. So for Starbreeze to not even have thought and looked upon piracy like that. It simply wasn't down to them to combat piracy in ignoring feedback months earlier, even during open beta in going ahead in strictly having the game on online mode and in not creating an offline mode.

I was hoping some talk about the AI, solo play is awful in this game at the moment

it tripped

LilguyG im not hating on you

I totaly agree with you. This is my opinion too. I think i get lvl 100 and than give the game some rest.

lack of essential stuff, that's about sums it up

Never trust a payday youtuber in partnership. As someone who has been playing payday 1 for years and 2 since launch you are way off with some of throes comparisons about the launches. I agree that not counting the heist objective changes are fair (bank heist: cash/gold and so on) however here are some things you ignored. Payday 2 pre game lobbies (in from launch) where you can type/voice talk, ready and unready at will and discuss how to play with your team. Carry over teams/parties, there were also pro jobs but they were removed, A weapon menu that tells both the stats of a weapon (not bars but numbers), Both secondary and primary were separated spots. Now lets tackle progression, if the only way to progress is challenge's it kills all motivation to both play on higher difficulties and to play the objective in the first place (why do that when I can farm kills?) Having the system tied to money earned would be a better way since the higher the risk the higher the reward. You also forgot to mention that payday 3 has not stated ANYTHING about free DLC (from what I could find) that must be an assumption on your part. If I am wrong on anything please link me, happy to be called out if I am off the mark.

DIY a pop filter or make one yourself You have more PoPs in this videos than i've PoPPed coPs in Payday 3

I dont agree with the Pirating thing . Pirating is allways a service problem . If the Pirat gets a better experions then a legit payer why woud anybody want to pay up for the game . I woud feel compleatly trash if i had payed to play just to see Pirats Boot up there own servers and instantly get into the game for free . O

This idea of this video is good, the actual video is bad. I never touched a Payday game before Payday 3 and I don't care what PD2 had or didn't have at launch or what was added with DLCs. All I care is what PD3 has and let me tell you it has nothing. Only reason it has any success is because its a horde shooter with decent gunplay.

Pirating games by Starbreeze/Overkill is wrong Pirate games by bigger companies like Nintendo and Rockstar

I think it need better loud mode like payday 2 but the stealth is great

Yeah I joined the second game really late and got it on console when I saw all the content I was missing out on compared to if I had got it on pc I was demoralized regardless I didn’t mind as the game felt like it was worth the price and was really fun so when payday 3 came out I got excited and preordered the game and am met with a really Grindy game with tons of server problems and little content and considering i don’t do a extensive background check on every game I get I rightfully felt like it was a waste of money and when I then decided to complain to other people I know who play the game I was written off with it’s just released or the previous games were like that so it makes sense the game is like that now I’m left with a game I only played for like 40 hours and am around lv 50 and the game doesn’t feel worth playing kinda disappointing guess I just need to deal with it.

I think the gameplay is good but everything else is bad. The Hitman style of stealth is my favourite part. I can't wait till the new year, when I'm hoping its good for a proper launch (as i consider this a beta atm 😅).

Where on earth are melee weapons? Unforgivable. I’ve been sobbing about this every night for weeks. Funny grenades? This game feels devoid of personality, especially in comparison to older titles. Some aspect of it just feels kind of soulless to me, whether that be the lack of character dialogue, or the soulless UI/HUD. It just feels like they stripped all of the personality out, I swear shit used to be kind of bonkers. Now it’s just shade telling you some bullshit in a monotone voice, or using the same 3 voice lines to let you know that the police are on the way. No funny vlad moments while I’m on the heist? None of the contractors speak to you while you’re doing their heist? It’s just wack. Sure this game is great if you enjoy mindlessly shooting cops or doing stealth, which are key facets of payday. But I feel like at least for me, this game is lacking immersion. Now I’m sure they’ll add a lot of this stuff with updates, but with the way it’s looking that shits gonna take a year and will be behind a paywall; even though it’s basically quality of life shit that should already be in the game. Basically I’m sad about this. I still play the game cause I like robbing shit, but I need some funny stuff to rob with like a chainsaw or something that you can use to open safe deposit boxes and ATMs which don’t actually exist in this game I think? I don’t know, I’m level 50 okay? give me a break. Lemme slice cops in half with a katana or something come on🤷‍♂️. I mean the whole game is killing cops and robbing shit so there’s no reason to go all PG and not let us cut cops in half. Weak. I wanna throw a matroyshka doll at a bulldozer and get out of the way. There is nowhere near enough content in this video game. Thought you could go all modern and soulless on me starbreeze huh? I’m offended. This game could be really good. Cool template. If they actually add anything cool or funny and a decent skill tree, and mask customization, and weapon stat numbers, and better masks, and better leveling, and melee weapons, and mask customization,and a better UI, and a better hud, and delete funny WiFi circles; it could be a delightful game. Especially if they fix up the damn menus shit looks so modern and gross. Where the fuck is crime net yo? I don’t wanna look at weird portrait of John for 20 years as I load up the heist. I’m cool with them talking I guess like how crime net was, but their ugly mug is too much for my feeble heart to handle. let me plan out the heist or something guys. What if I don’t want my armor box to spawn in the random room it spawns in every time 12 miles away from me? What is the road rage spawn are you for real? Who goes up there bro? Put it under the ramp at least. Let the contractor read their 12 lines of dialogue y’all recorded while I place my armor box or something. Maybe people would be more inclined to play as new characters if they had any voice lines besides “fuck/shit/shit on a stick/mothafucka, piece of shit drill, I need a medic bag/ammo bag/armor bag, and hey” Wolf is the only character who has any personality but he still don’t be saying any crazy shit while you’re shooting cops. Nobody else does either. I know they do sometimes, but it’s not enough. I remember back in payday 2 my buddies and I would always pick ai hoxton as our teammate and shit on him for being British the whole time. Because he actually spoke. Unlike in this game. Where he just says all the shit from earlier but in a British accent instead. Wack asf. I get that’s what the slideshow presentation is for, to show you that the characters are actually capable of speaking, and do actually have a personality. However, the slideshow presentation is just that. A slideshow presentation. None of the characters bring up any of what’s happening while they’re doing the heist. I know they’re professionals or whatever, but if they’re so good at robbing banks why they gotta be so serious all the time? I just have this terrible feeling that this game will turn into Microtransaction:The Game. This game has the potential to be more expensive to play per season then destiny. And we all know this game is gonna add a battle pass with a funny name like “Payday Pass™” because its the popular thing to do. It’s gonna kill me. Screw modernity, make the game fun. It gives people more incentive to actually buy your microtransactions when they inevitably do release. Y’all had a good thing going and it’s probably gonna turn into “Season 7 of Payday 3™ just released! Now with all new, Master Chief Skin from the hit video game classic, Super Mario Bros© for the Nintendo Entertainment System™!” I can’t take much more of this abuse starbreeze. You really broke my heart with this one. I don’t think I’ll ever recover from this massive blow to my self esteem and mental prowess. But I will certainly try. and every single day will be a struggle moving forward, as I try to cope with the sadness no melee weapons has caused me. pantman3 signing off

i dont like it now that much because theres no transporter skill tree

The crazy thing about the online only thing is when they game went live they weren't ready and a lot of heisters were just watching the people who pirated the game play because we couldn't 🤦🏿‍♂️ L

Nah fuck that online only

Sure, Payday 2 was mediocre at best when it launched, but that was also a much less ambitious game at first, and was developed by a smaller studio, *10 years ago.* You're telling me Starbreeze learnt nothing in that time? Even unlearning things like showing gun stats with numbers rather than sliders? I have nothing against you man, just want to make that clear, but I disagree here.

i stopped playing right after goat heist release on payday 2, at that time most veteran players were already asked about payday 3. but instead they give us goat update. at that time i know. these developers doesnt have capabilities to make new series. not to mention the world war game from them that flop, also the zombie game that shutdown? hehehe i was surprised tbh when they give massive code in open beta, already doubt it from there. gg

I do not think it's fair at all to compare Payday2 at launch with Payday3. As you said a whole decade has passed. When a sequel releases you expect it to improve on its prequel, not stagnate and repeat its exact same fate or, in this case, even worse. That doesn't mean Payday3 should have every heist Payday2 had plus more, but it should have a noticeably better state than what Payday2 had at launch, not something "comparably bad". You can't judge a product on the hope that at a later time it will be better. I also slightly disagree on the "extremely replayable" Payday3 heists, due to the fact that Payday3 builds are abhorrently boring and same-y. On another note, what you called "weapon reskins" are just as much customization as mask paint jobs, at the very least. I would easily choose a weapon over another because of the aesthetics of it exactly because the effective change in gameplay was rather minimal, which made it easy to adjust to. Customizing your "suit" or your "mask" for example to me has way less of an impact to having a choice of which weapons I would like my avatar to carry in heists. You do spend quite a lot of time staring at it. It honestly feels anyone developing Payday3 has never even looked at a retrospective of payday2 on youtube, let alone played the game. But, as you also said, the situation is so bleak it can only get better.

This is the only game I have seen where people just judge it by "will it eventually be good". Overkill has really struck gold with its fanbase. They get a game with Payday 2 that is riddled with issues and only worth playing with mod support. They almost go bankrupt through their terrible decision making then whore out Payday 2 with terrible, overpriced DLCs for years. Then they release unfinished garbage sequel, taking in zero feedback from the last game. Still people are on the overkill train and are holding on to the hope that payday 3 will some day be good. But hey, maybe in 2 years and 100s of dollars of DLC later, you guys will have a playable game. Keep it up guys! Not like there are other great games coming out every year, completely finished and affordably priced