I always had the idea that one of the primarchs rejected his father’s call to crusade and is thus one of the wiped legions. And now with subject 11 I have a theory that he’s dangerous enough to be a problem to the imperium. And the only possible way to resist a emporer class psycher would be a primarch level blank.

Malice getting his 11th legion with the number he enjoys instead of being forced to take someone else's sloppy seconds like the others is just a flex move from the Chaos God of All Chads Who Don't Give A F Anymore

The greatest trick Malice ever pulled was convincing the galaxy he doesn’t exist.

The momentary joy in your voice when you flat-Earthed the whole missing Legion stuff, it made me want for you to be right. Like when your kid is doing their dance recital and they're getting all the steps wrong but your whole family is there and you tell them that she's doing great and they smile and all the money you spent on that class, it's like hundreds of dollars. It's like that. Just like that.

The Cannibalism culture within the Sons of Malice can also be found in the Mortifactors. An Ultramarine successors chapter from the 2nd founding (first successors)

"Wait the 'Blood Drinkers' are the good guys? One of them snapped my daughters neck and drank her like a Capri-Sun!" -Imperial Citizen "Calm yourself citizen. The Emperors own Angel's have come to deliver our blighted world. The Emperor Protects!" -Arbitrator being eaten alive

I’ll never get tired of this man’s unhinged rants XD

Bones, the 7th Legion are the Imperial Fists, and the Death Guard are the 14 (7x2). Both are very much about withstanding pain.

No joke, this video sent me down a rabbit hole of looking through the Second Founding chapters which claim to be from the Ultramarines and Imperial Fists that have suspect gene seed...and it's a lot.

My personal headcannon is that the 11th Legion had a genetic flaw of some kind - they are who Sanguinius referenced to Horus when he killed his own Astartes who had gone nuts. And that the Rangdan were NOT Xeno's, but were humans who had fully embraced Genetic modification to the point where they were essentially Xeno's. (If you've read the Hyperion Cantos, I see them as essentially the Ousters) Through genetic modification, the Rangdan were able to "cure" the 11th of this flaw in the Astartes, but the Primarch was another matter entirely. Most of the 11th was unaware of what was happening to them, so when the time came for the Emperor to judge the Legion, it was very possible to integrate most of the surviving 11th in with the Yellow and Blue Smurfs. (The 11th is currently under the palace in the Dark Cells, though whether he's alive or not is currently irrelevant) (there's a lot more to this headcannon, but it involves the 2nd, who was effectively immune to the supernatural Charisma of the Emperor and decided that the Rangdan were a better choice for Humanity than the Emperor and defecting (though not with his Legion... who did not have the same feeling of loyalty to their Primarch as every other Astartes has to their primarch, even the World Eaters had more connection to Angron than the 2nd did to their Primarch. So some followed, some didn't.), convincing the 11th to join him to save his Legion, then to protect his Plan, the Emperor had to utterly annihilate the Rangdan AND taint their legacy, hence them becoming "Xenos".)

"It's okay to be wrong, unfortunately I am always right."

As someone who desperately wants to see Malice come into any sort of relevance, This video was so great to watch thank you so much for making this!

The Angeks Vermillion didn't make a deal with Kairos, it was the Blood Drinkers. The Angels Vermillion are the ones who have a literal blood bath every fifty years.

I think there names are more important, the Forgotten and the Purged. Names in 40k are very important and these revel in my mind part of there fates. I believe whole hearty that the Forgotten is the 11th stored on terra in the prison that the custodes guard, and has been for the most part Forgotten but not out rightly killed a part of him still lives on. I believe the 11th was corrupted during the xenocide of the Rangdan which explains why those 3 wars where such a mess but the 11th was taken by the emperor to be fixed while his legions where split up, he was then Forgotten due to the heresy and was never fixed. Yet never purged. While the second who more then likely fought against the Rangdan still remembered what happened to the 11th and I feel rebelled against the emperor, as if there is one crime that would see the emperor purge you it is not failing that is merely at worst death, to be purged meant to be erased from history would suggest rebellion as only a crime of such magnitude would see old big E do that. To challenge the emperor openly is that crime. Now I dont now what wipes out the second, could be the space wolves, the void dragon, or something else, but would be more interesting if they just left, if the 2nd with most of the legion just left and where erased from the records because they just said screw this im out. Now the skulls that Malcador the hero has that have the numbers II and XI are clearly fake there regular human sized for god sake, but that could be part of the cover up to say both died when the truth could be far from that. Now is this wrong? Most likely but hey it sounds fun.

I like to think how daemons dont ever dare to whisper his name makes the legal issue about Malal canon :D Like IRL they cant talk about him much, becouse all that legal stuff, but in universe they wont even whisper about him in fear that he might notice them. You know, like with Blood Mary that if you say her name 3 times while looking into mirror she will come and kill you. I like to think about him as a Chaos Boogeyman that stalks daemons, big and small, while cackling to himself in the dark void of space.

The art at 11:52 is the Split Minds which is a homebrew chaos group. The guy who made them kitbashes them to be half chaos half loyalists in a literally 50/50 split. I don't remember the name of the guy but I follow him on instagram.

We all know Alpharius had a twin called Omegon, but what if he were a triplet (hence the 3 headed hydra legion icon). What if...these two legions were originally ran by these other two triplet primarchs but Alpharius helped them stage a fake rebellion or coup to better hide all 3 of their ultimate intentions. Perhaps Alpharius has plans to usurp the imperium for himself in some extremely long and convoluted plan. It would explain why he appears everywhere in the great crusade and why the stories around why the 2 lost legions have such conflicting lore depending on which character mentions them.

Not really 11th legion related but in "Lion: Son of the Forest" one of the Risen named Zabriel gives a little excerpt about the Rangdan Xenocides. He says "I fought the Rangda at Advex-Moores and hunted their squalling remnants through the corridors of their ravaged War-moon with my brothers." I have absolutely no basis for this theory however the use of the word "squalling" and the fact that they made a "War-Moon" makes me think that they're Space Skaven. Maybe its because they're my favorite race in fantasy but if you consider the size of their under-empire in fantasy and translate that to a galactic scale then it would makes some sense. Part of me likes it because it brings Skaven into 40k in a way another part of me likes it because its funny that they were the biggest threat humanity has ever faced. A war moon sounds exactly like some bullshit that those smelly little bastards would come up with. I think there are a couple other references to the Rangda in the book and I think of one them calls them "Tunnels" rather than "Corridors" but I could be wrong.

My head cannon was that Emperor lost to his sons trials, and got them expunged out of pettiness

You have that magnet potential no Iron Warrior could deny.

It is now my head cannon that the black templars blast sabaton while Zerg rushing into battle. Probably primo Victoria except switch out nazi with heretic.

my own head cannon is one of the primarchs was told about the dangers of the warp and in being told and through whatever event, was lead down the path of chaos and being wiped out, this sparking the emperor to not make the same mistake he did with the other primarchs, therefore explaining why he never told his other sons about the dangers of the warp which is arguably one of his greatest failings

If I remember Failbadon enlisted the sons of malice for this 13th black crusade, this is the same plot armor clad Failbadon, were Korne broke character to stop Karn from killing Failbadon. Whoops back on topic, the vaults of terra still have the gene seed for the missing legions. We know Gilliman forbade Cawl from using traitor gene seed, but Cawl might have been enterprising enough to use the two missing legion’s gene seed.

I just think those Primarchs in particular refused the Emperor entirely upon their discovery and may have even tried to get their respective legions to turn as well forcing their prompt and swift destruction. It could be they were highly resistant to his charms and will, or that they were too independent and perhaps already forming their own empires. Without a Primarch to lead them the remaining marines, who were loyal, were given over to the Primarchs that best suited them, or would best handle them.

This is amazing, completely unhinged and implausible, but absolutely amazing in that sense. I have heard so much stuff that is actually canon. Sometimes a deranged theory that can actually surprise me is just what I need.

11:32 Death Guard 14th legion because grand papa Nurgle loves them twice as much

'''''so this is why we suddenly see some weird bald guy on a spaceship thousands of years ago and start going into a killing frenzy...''''' - 40k

I randomly got your shit in my recommended, thank you for being very concise and straight forward, and understanding how to string a narrative or sentence in a way where it doesn't add extra un-necessary stuff and relates to the previously stated comments. You're very under-rated, I appreciate your concise sentence structure.

Malal is Arthur, quickly call the inquisition

Continuing with the D&D reference, I like to think that the Rangda were the closest thing to the Illithid Mind Flayers in the 40k setting. It would be no wonder that their total obliteration was ordered. That may have been your best rant yet! It’s for stuff like this that I’m a fan of your videos!

I’ve always imagined that one of the lost legions simply refused to join the crusade and the other turned against it.

I’ve watched every single video you’ve made so far please keep going. Like there are a LOT of wh40k lore masters, it’s easy to assume that a new one wouldn’t have much to offer. Nah, smthn about you man. You keep me coming back and I have no clue why, this video is no exception. Also unhinged you is a treat lol

Bro just found your channel a few weeks ago, and all your stuff is awesome! I really like your tone and style. Keep up the great work man!

Dude, you're a genius :D so much entertainment... always looking forward to your videos :D.

I love your unhinged crazy ass rants!!! For some reason it makes me feel more normal 👍

Neat idea, hadn't thought about the lost legions like that. Thought of them as rebelling and joining the Rangdan.

This theory is dope man! I love it when people make elaborate theories that aren't just the same 3 pieces of Ork trivia I've heard over and over again!

the biggest issue with the primarch of the XI being tainted by the rangdan xenocide is that canonically he wasnt discovered until nearly 40 years after the xenocides concluded

Wilfred may and Faraz Ahmad had great ideas about the lost Primarchs that I think could solve the mystery. Going from their names, the Purged and the Forgotten we may be able to understand what happened. In my new head cannon the Purged could have simply rejected the Emperor upon his discovery, siding with whatever human or Xeno society had discovered him, and fighting until he was destroyed and dishonored. I cite when Horus attempts to mention the name of one of the lost primarchs (to my knowledge this is the only hint we have at a name for ONE of the lost primarchs) and Malchador tries to psychic choke him to death. Malchador could probably see the writing on the wall after Horus attempts to mention the lost primarch, probably the first to have resisted/rebelled against the Emperor, already laying the path for the Heresy and Horus to follow. As for the forgotten I saw Faraz mention the idea of one of the lost being a Null/Blank As I stated under his comment, Nulls/Blanks are near invisible to others (Kharn kills a sister of silence but does not see her nor remember striking her down as he does so), wouldn’t a ‘forgotten’ Primarch fit that bill? To further this argument, we have the theory that the big E had to strike a deal with Chaos to obtain minor warp god souls to imbue into the primarchs. If one of the lost was a Blank, soulless, could he have been harmful to the other primarchs or even big E just to be around? Dorn demanded to be reminded of what the lost were like by Malchador and almost immediately begs to forget again, could his null presence have harmed even his brother primarchs with their powerful souls? We only have Chaos’ side of the story about their deal with big E but knowing how Chaos works is it a stretch to assume they’d try to screw the big E on the deal first by not providing enough souls for all the primarchs? (Alpharius/Omegron exists so what else could have happened?) Or could he have been forgotten even to Chaos and the universe itself, blank/null by chance and unseen/unkown by almost all thus forgotten to the Imperium. To surmise, I believe that the Purged Primarch could have simply rejected the Emperor upon his discovery, hence being destroyed (By Leman Russ?) and dishonored. Whereas the Forgotten Primarch could have been a Null/Blank, without a warp god soul he was already weaker than the others, and almost invisible to all. Potentially he died in honor fighting for the Imperium, but his status as a blank made him harmful to his brothers and unknown to almost all.

I would add that Malice doesn't to my knowledge represent destruction for destruction's sake - But the self-destructive nature of chaos. Malice didn't supposedly spring from human or eldari actions, but rather from chaos itself becoming so powerful that it spawned a nightmare of its own. From a more human perspective that could mean becoming corrupted by the dark gods, while rejecting them at a personal level. Fighting silently, for no god, but oblivion.

OOO boi I can’t wait for the next one I wonder what that episode is going to be like :)

I love your Passion. keep it up! love your vidoes!

"Alright boys, turn off your body cams." - The Emperor about to wipe out legions or partaking in the Xenocide.

I love your vids man, please keep it up 🙏🙏

Great video. Loved this one.

Love your channel

I usually take 2 or 3 videos before subbing, but I had to purely with how you said "ThE eYe Of TeRrOr" fucking gold

You are a legend my dude, never change xxxx

2:42 when you said black templars and sabaton I fuckin screamed lol

This must be how looking into the chaotic wave of the empyrean do to a man.

Bro, I fucking love your channel! Keep it up, my man!

Lexicanum has every time the 2nd and 11th are mentioned, interesting stuff. 2nd was known to be very quiet, Fulgrim called him his "quiet brother" which is neat. I agree there is a bunch of evidence that the Yellow & Blue boys did absorb the marines of the 2nd and 11th as right after the Xenocides their numbers went through the roof. As for what happened to the primarchs themselves Supposedly one of them was destined to be the greatest/most heroic of the primarchs but that destiny was cut short, I assume they mean the 11th not the 2nd as he was the quiet one. Given chaos is a thing it is an easy answer to say "chaos did it" but that wouldnt explain why the Horus Heresy primarchs are not erased from memory (though this can be explained by big E being disabled at this time). Worse than chaos I think that they probably got infected by the Rangdan and turned against humanity by them or something along those lines. The Emperor knew about chaos during this era and the screwed up atuff it could pull, but givinng yourself to just some random alien that isn't even "The Great Enemy" would be rather shameful. Still I am not super sure about this theory as even that doesn't seem worse than the Horus Heresy.

You know what bro you're so into it i'mma just give it to you

The forgotten and the purged titles makes me think that 1 was lost and thus forgotten and the other turned against the Emperor and then purged

Well... Still hype for Worldeaters

I really like the Sons of Malice idea and it is probably the most fitting, I totally agree with your ramblings haha

I love the sons of malice and this kinda makes sense in a crackhead down the street rambling kinda way

I really like your templar dude, very cool 😀

The big question is not what happened to the 2nd and 11th legion, but what happened to their primachs. As we assume that at least the 2nd legion was purged by the Space Wolves that would mean by chronology that there has to be a primach that was cast somewhere in the galaxy. Have these two primach ever been found? Did they die before all the other were cast away? In Imperium Secondus Guilliman speaks of the two missing „brother“ as if he is sure they have lived.

Dude.... I now have to make a Sons of Malice Chaos Warband

I'm using your screaming rant about the Sons of Malice being the 11th legion as my new alarm ringtone.

Love the unhinged proselytizing near the end. Almost sounded like the zealot preaching the glory of Talos in Skyrim.

I think the emperor made two primarchs up by implanting those almost memories into the primarch as almost like a deterrent

i think a fructure of malice or his whole being was used to create one of the primarchs. Thus making the primarch too powerful and dangerous(literally a mortal reincarnation of destruction and chaos) so the emperor locked him up. With this the abscence of malice could be explained? also pretty exciting lore and stories to further build this.

Treyzin took them into his museum.

I like the idea that at least one of the lost primarchs when the emperor found him was opposed to the great crusade and found him evil so Big E had to kill them

malice always made sense to me because when something is called chaos you would expect unpredictable violence and unheard horrors, however the gods we have seem to hold quite a lot of rules and set goals which goes against the very term of chaos which is just destruction for the sake of destruction

If the Dark Angels also received some of them as well, then that could have been a HUGE influence on what happened with Luther...he was pushed far earlier than we may have thought.

I like your theory on the sons of malice :)

freakin' hilarious as always!

They are saving a space for some future, undetermined lore reveal.

i think that making a educated guess to what the 2th and 11th where like is looking at weird mutations that span chapters

dang, the theories go crazy.

Good youtube algorithm discovery. Please allow me to listen all your rant.

"What do you thin?" I think you are nuts and thats funny.

I'd like it if one of the two primarchs was another Alpharius. The Hydra has 3 heads.

Pretty much all of the sucessor chapters mentions are built from the surviving loyalists from traitor legions. Soul drinkers were Emperors Children AFAIK.

I have a head canon that the Blood ravens could be a successor 2nd Legion chapter and not a 1000 sons loyalists as all their tests come up negative (even though the Minotaurs are a loyalists iron warriors successor and make it no secret to the inquisition) and that is running headlong against community consensus and hints that GW approved of in games featuring the bloody magpies 😋

I’m doing tasks around the house while listening to this video and Im dying on the floor laughing when he starts yelling passionately about the sons of malice

6:00 I just assumed it was so Obvious that Nobody couldn’t Notice GW Know’s Dam well they ain’t real Ultramarines

I like the Malal idea, but I had a couple of my own perhaps more silly ideas. I know I am late to the game but not sure where else to share this. ii - the lost - the legion primarch was mixed with squat for the hell of it and he turned out normal marine sized and his men normal human sized and served as those (still canon?) imps that had fancy armor and lasguns that could charge to fire a lascannon shot and where not far below a marine in terms of efficiency and power, long explanation cause i forgot their names, anyway they ran of and hid literally lost in midst of the normal people. and 11 - forgotten - intentionally - Omegon wasn't a twin but an even more alpha legion like legion so sneaky they convinced emp to mind wipe their existence and destroy records so they could infiltrate all other legions and out manipulate and sneaky even the alpha, and perhaps a little bit of shape shifting too just to spice it up.

One of the "lies" told by the Alpha legion around the discovery of their Primarch, was that Alpharius was mind tourtured by the hrud during the rangdan xenocides, and was sent back to Terra to be healed by the emperor, the Alpha legion don't often outright lie as it's easy to spot, they usually deal in half truths, right story wrong primarch, but big E didn't get enought time to do this before Magnus forced him into the golden throne for the rest of eternity

Yeah it's Def a simple and ingenious way to handle most plot holes or gaps because it just allows them to say "the reader and the characters they are reading about simply either don't have the information or it is being withheld from them". They basically give you several events that went unrecorded or what was recorded has almost bo details, so it can be used as a possible answer to other mysteries. Got a lost Legion that no one remembers? Maybe it was the xenocides What happened to their primarch? Maybe it was the xenocides Why doesn't anyone remember? Maybe it was the xenocides. You can use it to virtually answer anything as long as the timeline fits

Hearing about the Cacodominus reminds me of a Grey Knight character. Castellan Garran Crowe, who carries the Blade of Antwyr, a weapon that has a similar backstory behind it similar to the Cacodominus, where it took control of sections of space and required a shit load of Grey Knights to subdue it and claim it. Not to be so bold as to make a suggestion, but a video on that could be neat?

I made a custom cult army using marine armour and said they were a corrupted reskins of the second legion

I like the Sons of Malice theory!

I think primarch 2 might have had a gene-flaw that was so bad that Emperor ordered him to cull his legion he refuses and rebels

I love how we dont get to the "wacky" stuff till about 8:19

Nice painting, great lore video. Malice = Moloch.

2:38 FOR THE GRACE AND THE MIGHT OF THE LORD! IN THE HOME OF THE HOLY! FOR THE FAITH FOR THE WAY OF THE SWORD! GAVE THEIR LIVES SO BOLDLY

MR. BONES I WANT TO GET OFF YOUR WILD RIDE

such a weird thing to hear Caretaker music in these videos

I have a theory for what happened to the 11th primarch, its not my theory so I won’t go deep on the details. The Rangdan Xenocides was a bad time for the Imperium. This war against a powerful and uncompromising opponent was a big strain on Imperial resources. Time, muntions, lives all expended just to maintain an unstable stalemate. People, from the lowest laborer to the highest figures of authority, started to lose hope of ever winning the war, of ever securing the galaxy under a Human rule. The 11th Primarch, desperate, searched everywhere for someway or somepath to gain victory at any price. Now this sounds like the ideal stage for some Chaos daemon to step up to the Primarch and scam him and take his soul. But that did not happen. Before the daemon could get close enough to make its offer, the Primarch look inwards. He delved his mind into realm of the subconscious, the place of internal secrets and repressed ideas. At a different time and under less stressful circumstances, he would have turned away and fled into the false promises of Chaos. He instead went deeper, dug underneath the blocks that restrain and protect to find the answer he somehow knew was there. And he did find it and it unmade him. It was something embarrassing, repulsive, unsightly, barbaric, unsettling but worse than anything else it completed him. It filled the gaps of his identity, it provided certainty to his doubts. This was his true nature. He accepted it, He embraced it and when he returned to reality, he made it real and, whether from a stance sheer pragmatism or a noble conviction to fulfill his duty, he would use it defeat the enemy.

My head canon is that the Space Sharks and Black Dragons are 2nd/11th successors. Why? Tyberos big and Sanguinius's 'Third Empty Plinth' speech to Horus leads me to believe that something went wrong with the geneseed and might have killed the primarch outright. I like the image of a giant spiky primarch. Does it make a lick of sense? Fuck no. It's on the same level as reading Dorn telling Sigismund 'You're no son of mine!' and concluding the Black Templars are 2nd/11th.

I heard that a worm xeno species had rangdan in clone bats and are hiding amongst the imperium waiting to do another rangdan war

Hi Arthur, I'm Deez

I think this is perfect

My headcannon version... The 2nd and 11th Primarchs (and the majority of their Legions) were disappeared because one of them got taken over and/or "turned" by some foul xenos (Rangdan, Khrave, whatever) and the other one got tired of slaughtering Humans who "just wanted to be left alone" and eventually refused to fight anymore. ...not that anyone cares.

As a Sons Of Malice player I love this.

Fully agree with you ,but i like to add the Malal probably come to be when all the other 4 gods compine in one entity