Amen. Noting that I believe the KJV version was not translated as well as it should have been, and that the last part of that verse is not found in most other translations. I’m not saying the translation is inaccurate, but I am saying the way it was translated leaves room for someone to give it a completely different meaning than what it has. In fact, every version has translations of many verses that are not perfect. The only version that is fully and perfectly accurate is the actual writings. EVERY human at one time or another in their life walks after the flesh. You do, I do, we ALL do. In fact, the Scriptures tell us that ‘if we say we are without sin then we are a liar and the truth is not in us’. The apostle James says ‘we ALL stumble in MANY ways - James 3:3. The KJV 8:1 version is speaking about an identity. When we got saved, we changed. We previously only walked in the flesh, and never walked after the Spirit. Now, our identity is people walking in the Spirit, who also occasionally walk in the flesh. I will point out that in the scriptures, we see two types of flesh/Spirit verses. We see WALKING in the flesh/spirit bible verses, and we also see a LIVING in the flesh/spirit verses. Christians always live in the Spirit, but all of us occasionally stumble and walk in the flesh. Unfortunately, in this case, the KJV version unintentionally implies that Christians are conditionally saved. Meaning it is almost saying Christians are forgiven of their sins…..unless they sin. And of course, we know that if Christians actually did not sin that would be absolutely no reason for the dozens and dozens and dozens of behavior verses. I honestly like the KJV version. But we need to recognize that it is not without error in his translations. That same version has many, many, many other verses that we could quote that would absolutely squash the idea that if we happen to walk in the flesh we can lose our salvation or be punished. Again, I do like the KJV Bible but I don’t elevate it over any other. Many people argue that it’s the only one that's correct. Which I find interesting since we pretty much know the King James was not a believer.

@@jesuswithoutreligion "I believe the KJV version was not translated as well as it should have been" Jesus is the Word of God. You are denying Jesus. I gave you some links in other comments. I strongly recommend you look into the bible version issue as your top priority. King James only.

@@crutherfordmusic I’m not worried about links. There’s only one way to deny Jesus. And that is literally to reject him and deny that he is the son of God.. And if you’ve got a Bible verse, present it, but aside from that I’m not worried about random links that people post here. ;)

@@jesuswithoutreligion Ok, I've given you the truth. You know there is a difference between the versions, I've given you links showing the flaws in the other versions, on your own head be it. John 12 (KJV) 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 1 Samuel 15 (KJV) 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

@@crutherfordmusic I don't know what type of cult you are engaged in but it's quite clear you do not understand the proper context of God's word. I do know this, you're not here to lead people to Christ or have a healthy discussion about the Scriptures, but rather you're here with an inflated ego hoping to cause strife. Please take that unhealthy DNA somewhere else.

Your Wrote: Romans 8:1 KJV - [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT. My Response: YOU added the end part. You are combing verses 1 and 4 to build your own theology. BOTH verses mean what they say, but must be read independently for their true context. Verse 1 does not come with a condition for Christians. As for verse 4, which you added on to verse 1 in CAPS. Verse 4 is not addressing behavior. It’s addressing unbelievers when it describes walking after the flesh. In fact, Paul makes that clear believers are NOT that group when he address believers in verse 8 writing ‘However, you are NOT IN THE FLESH but in the Spirit. Context of each verse it key. Your Wrote: Colossians 3:25 KJV - But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is NO RESPECT OF PERSONS. My Response: The context of Col 3:19-25 is calling all of us to love each other and treat each other right. Husbands love your wives, children respect and honor your parents, fathers don’t anger your children, slaves don’t just work hard, but also have a good heart about your service, etc. The reason we are called to act this way is not for fear of judgement by God. It’s because we already won the reward. We have the inheritance of the kingdom. God rescued us, and we should act like it. This consequence you point out is referring to earthly consequences from humans. i.e. if you disrespect your father, disrespect your master, or are mean to your wife, expect there to be earthly consequences. Note: You used the word ‘judgement’, but the word is ‘consequences’. You can’t change the word to meet a theology. Again you can’t lay aside Jesus’ own words, ‘the one who believes in NOT judged’. Context of each verse it key. Your Wrote: 1 Peter 1:17 KJV - And if ye call on the Father, who WITHOUT RESPECT OF PERSONS judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear: My Response: The NASB puts it this way ‘If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth’. What's being judged here? The 'work' or the 'Christian'? It’s the work. No where is these verses do we see anger, punishment, judgement, etc. In fact, Paul destroys your theology and twisting of Peters letter. In Romans 4:4-5 he writes ‘Now to the one who works, his wage is NOT credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one WHO DOES NOT WORK, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,’. You can’t have it both ways. If your the 'righteousness of Christ' how righteous are you? I'd say pretty righteous. Context of each verse it key. Your Wrote: Romans 2:6-11 KJV - Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is NO RESPECT OF PERSONS WITH GodOD. My Response: Rom 2:10 reads ‘but glory and honor and peace to everyone WHO DOES GOOD, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God'. There’s a lot going on in Romans. All easy to explain, but not with a few words. So, let’s just address this verse which says this is being offered ‘to everyone who does good’. So, the question is WHO DOES GOOD? And that’s going to be Pauls point. Romans 1-3 is talking about how the entire world all has the same problem (sin - and we all need the same solution - Jesus). Yes, those who don’t stumble at even one part of the law and only do good will in fact not be judged. BUT, I ask who does good? Paul answers that in the SAME letter, just a few sentences later. Romans 3:11-12 “THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; 11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; 12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.” Context of each verse it key. You are literally trying to blend Judaism with Christianity. You are trying to mix the law with grace. Trying to mix Moses with Jesus. Trying to mix saved by faith with saved by law. You will never see these verses in their proper context until you recognize that the new covenant replaced the old one - not modified it. For clarification, may I encourage you to watch this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nLmKd6qQtLvVhGg.html

@@jesuswithoutreligion Please go dig deeper into the Word of God. God bless you.

@@transformationofthebride2295 With all due respect, I'm pretty sure what I just did qualifies as 'digging deeper'. I am not trying to be combative, but rather I hope to show you how God changed everything by sending His Son to be the full propitiation for our sins. If God were to judge and/or condemn believers (as you teach) what would cause it? Sin would. What did Jesus do about sin? He took it away. He paid the full price. He removed it as far as the west is from the east. Did the work of the cross actually serve as full payment for our sin? Of course it did. You either believe Jesus paid for our sins or you don't. You either believe we are made right with God by faith ALONE, or by exerting human effort (aka - law based righteousness). If you've come here hoping to lead us back to Judaism and righteousness by human effort, well, you likely will not find much success. [Galatians 2:21] 'I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.' To that end, I think it would be wise to take your own advise and 'dig deeper'. God bless you.

@@jesuswithoutreligion The righteousness that is in you is the righteousness of Jesus Christ...if indeed Jesus abides in that person. 1 John 3:24 KJV - And HE THAT KEEPETH HIS COMMANDMENTS dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. Forgive me but I do not have time to go back and forth...but let me leave you with these verses: Galatians 6:7-9 KJV - Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. Romans 8:13 KJV - For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Romans 6:14-16 KJV - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Romans 3:31 KJV - Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW If the Sprit of Christ abides in you...

@@transformationofthebride2295 You wrote: The righteousness that is in you is the righteousness of Jesus Christ...if indeed Jesus abides in that person. My Reply: Yep. The word ‘abide’ simply means lives. It does not mean works. Christ lives in all believers, and since we are talking about the judgment of believers, you point is not valid, and you have again taken a verse out of context. You wrote: 1 John 3:24 KJV - And HE THAT KEEPETH HIS COMMANDMENTS dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. My Reply: Why is it people like you see the word ‘commands’ and instantly call it the law? The SAME writer in the SAME letter tells us what the COMMANDS are. They are not the Jewish law. 1 John 3:23 ‘And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. So, you don’t get to redefine what Jesus means by commands. He doesn’t free us from the law, only to put us back under it. That’s religious double talk. You wrote: Forgive me but I do not have time to go back and forth...but let me leave you with these verses: My Reply: You can chat, or leave. It was however you that came here and wrote a book on your theology. I am just trying to help you see the context of the verses you seem to misunderstand. You wrote: Galatians 6:7-9 KJV - Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. My Reply: Again, you totally missed the context. There’s no mention of wrath, judgement, punishment, or condemnation in any of these verses. Once again, this is simply addressing EARTHLY consequences of our actions and attitudes. For example, if you’re going to sow in to the flesh and drink and drive, well you might go to jail, or hurt someone. If you’re going to commit adultery, well you might get a disease, or your wife might leave you. This is advice for Christian living. This is not a threat from God, but rather godly council to sow into the Spirit. In fact, if you wrote your letter to Paul, in response, I think he might throw chapter 3 back at you: [Galatian 3:3] Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh This is EXACTLY what you are pushing here. Perfection by the flesh. It’s NOT Jesus plus the Flesh. It’s Jesus alone. Apart form works less anyone boast. It’s a gift from God. Yet you keep pushing human effort for peace with God. You wrote: Romans 8:13 KJV - For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. My Reply: This is NOT about behavior. This is about identity. EVERY Christian has died to the flesh and is now alive in Spirit. All you have to do is back up 3 verse and read verse 10 for the context: [Romans 8:10] ‘But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit IS ALIVE because of righteousness.’ You are literally teaching that we are alive in Christ one moment, and then dead the next. That’s religious double talk, and it’s not the gospel. You wrote: Romans 6:14-16 KJV - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? My Reply: Wow, you really struggle with context. Again, you won’t get the gospel until you understand the new covenant promises. In those verse Paul made these points: 1-IF you are NOT under the law, then sin has no dominion over you. Now, here you are pushing law. Don’t you see you are pushing sins dominion on people when you push law over grace? 2- Paul said ‘What then? shall we sin more that grace may abound. May it never be”. Why did Paul say that? Simple. Read Pauls letters and he strongly pushes grace and righteousness apart from any human effort. Then people, like you come along and say ‘so you’re just saying we sin and do whatever we want to’. Paul is putting people like you in your place. He is defending his message. He’s saying ‘I’m not at all saying we should sin. Sin stinks. But I am saying you are made right with God by FAITH ALONE. Don’t hear what I am not saying’. So, teaching saved by faith and NO EFFORT is not pushing law. Paul was not condoning sin. Neither am I. Again, you need to discover for yourself how Jesus totally freed you from the old covenant of human effort-based righteousness. Everything you have brought to the table here has been has been about you, and your ability to earn and keep peace with God. You misunderstand nearly every verse in scripture. I literally have to wonder if you are a believer? I don’t know, but you sure don’t seem to put in confidence in Him and his work on the cross as you push self-righteousness and avoiding sin as a means of keeping God pleased. That, my friend, was an old covenant Jewish problem. Jesus rescued you from it. Believe it.

Sure. I have a ton on my agenda, but I'll will be happy to do this for you.

@@jesuswithoutreligion Many thanks and much appreciated. Was pondering on my question about the plough etc, and came to the conclusion that as with work equating to belief, so the imagery of the plough is the same thing? Jesus is the Ox or beast of burden who has done all of the work, and we just need to follow. Again, we don't need to steer the plough once taken hold of it because we are guided by the holy spirit, so even to plough straight furrows is God's work who keeps us in the way that leads to life. Your posts are really helping..thanks.

@@hedley939 PS on the 'race' scripture, are you referring to 1 Cor 9:24-27? Just making sure I hit the correct verse you are asking about.

@@jesuswithoutreligion Yes Sir that's the verse. Was wondering if this is another usage of metaphorical language. Often Jesus says the kingdom of God will be like this or that etc! We use analogies to broaden the meaning of a message, and to add emphasis as well. Language in its poetic format is interesting but unfortunately we can stray into error like the disciples, who thought that leven was literally to do with food. Many thanks.

@@hedley939 Here's a small piece on the 'race' kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rrmWn82Wmq_OoYE.html

I’m not sure I’m following your question. But you seem to be challenging that the sheep in the goat are separated. We plainly read in the scriptures that he will say to those on his “right” and then he will say something different to those on his “left”. And you are correct, there is one judgment. And we are all together. But we can all be together, and yet separate. For example, you can put 20 people in a room together, and yet they still are separated with beleivers on side of the room and unbelievers on another side. I imagine you have a church that you attend. And in the congregation, there may be 50 to 100 people. I'm sure you would agree that there is at least one unbeliever in that room. So on judgment day it would be the same group of people...... The only difference is God is going to divide a line in terms of doling out his judgment.

Note: While this talks about a first and second resurrection, it does not mention two judgment days. Moreover, while they have the authority to judge, this verse does NOT show them judging the believers in Revelation. God is outside of time. I think we sometimes struggle because of a natural instinct to box God into time. Two things to keep in mind: 1-Every unbeliever is judged already. Done Over. 2-If you are a believer, there will NOT be a judgment day. [John 3:18] He who believes in him is NOT JUDGED. He who doesn't believe has been judged ALREADY. So, what I’m saying is this. The judgment for every unbeliever that has or will ever exist has ALREADY been done. You are guilty unless you call on Jesus to save you and pay the penalty of your sins in your place. On judgment day the unsaved will give an account for their evil deeds and their sentence is passed out. Nonetheless, they have already been judged and found guilty (see John 3:18). Then, John 3:18 plainly and clearly tells us we, believers, are not judged. I know some people misunderstand other verses that would contradict John's very plain statement, and I am happy to discuss those verses too. Keep in mind, if our sins are taken away at the cross and fully paid for, what would we be judged for? Also, note: we are NOT judged for our 'good works' as some teach. That too is a misunderstanding of scripture :)

@@jesuswithoutreligion YE shall judge the nations so settle dispute among yourself. I can't point out the verse but the Saints under Christ shall judge other humans.

@@myballsitchsomethingfierce6319 thank you so much for your comment. If I can first point out that ALL Christians are Saints. Even the church at Corinth was referred to as Saints. So we should all understand this is not about Christians judging other Christians. I believe the first you are referring to is 1 Corinthians 6:2 ‘Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? And here’s what Paul was teaching us there. Christians were arguing and suing each other. And the judge is hearing their cases or unbelieving people. Paul’s point is basically why in the world are you believers letting unbelievers handle your disputes in court? And this is why he proceeds in verse five to ask them this question “Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers?” In other words, is there no Wise believer in your group that can judge between the two believers having the dispute? I hope that helps

Well, as for us, we hold firm that 'once saved, always saved' because our trust for salvation is in Jesus. Those the do not have this confidence have their trust in their own human performance, which is an insult to Jesus, and his work on the cross.

@@jesuswithoutreligion Not true! I have to trust in Christ the same as you. He is my savior. I have no confidence in my flesh. Yet, I know that if I willingly walk away from him through "unbelief," I am no better than the worst heathen.

@@approvedofGod There is not a single verse where we ever read someone was a true believer, and then ‘walked away’. This kind of understanding comes from a deep misunderstanding of verses calling us to hear and believe - but not just consider the gospel, but rather to continue in that faith. But once it’s rooted, it’s permanent. Again, there is not a single verse where someone was saved, and then became an unbeliever. Thank God that MOST Christians do not subscribe to the doctrine of losing salvation. Of course, you are free to do so, but that DNA is not going to preached here.

@@jesuswithoutreligion You just don't know your bible that well to say that there is no verse where a believer walks away. I will leave you in your made up ideas. Apostasy is not the falling away of unbelievers, but of believers.

@@approvedofGod Respectfully, you commented 3 times, and not once did you bring up one of those verses that supposedly exist. You don't just drop in and say 'you're wrong, I'm right' with zero substance to back up your claim, and then expect us to bow to it.

Hi Gretchen. That is not what Rev 20:4-5 teaches us. Also, everyone will be hard-pressed to make that case in light of John 3:18 "the one who believes is NOT judged". That is as straightforward as it gets.

We get judged at the Judgment Seat n nonbelievers r judged at the GWT...u believe what u want....our judgments are over a thousand years apart...we are ALL judged....either at one Judgment or the other

@@gretchenschulz6938 I understand there are some bad teaching that we get charged at the judgment seat of Christ. But it completely flies in the face of Jesus saying the one who believes is NOT judged. So you have to ask yourself if both these verses seem to be saying something different, which one might we be misunderstanding? Pay very close attention to what is said about this judgment seat. It says everyone there will be recompensed for everything they did rather good war BAD. If you’re Paid Back for everything you did bad (sin) what is the wage? The wage of sin is death. You would have eternal punishment and torment. We do not get to water down the wages of sin. There’s not a single scripture that implies you might get a slap on the wrist or fewer rewards than someone. The wage of sin is death. The math is simple. I would encourage you to rethink that theology because it’s a very dangerous one and it doesn’t put much confidence in Jesus. If you disagree, that’s absolutely fine. I’m not here to be combative. Simply examine what I have put out there, and make your decision as the Spirit leads.

John Hutchinson Thanks for sharing your heart. I simply do not see that supported with scripture (christians facing judgment). It’s just not there.

@@jesuswithoutreligion 2 Cor ch 5 verse 10 describes the Judgement seat of Christ. It is sometimes called the Bemer Seat which is like a foot race where rewards are given for performance. If someone who was saved as a youth and was a solid witness for Christ for their whole life will obtain much greater rewards as against someone had been a casual believer and did little to enhance the work of Christ. I can't find the scriptural reference but the saints will be given various crowns for service. The Bemer is not a judgement for past sins but for rewards as some will receive more rewards than others. I think the Martys crown is the highest crown Christ can award. .

@@johnhutchinson2981 Yep. 2 Cor 5:10 reads ‘For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is DUE us for the things done while in the body, whether good or BAD.’ Now, we first have to ask, how can you possibly reconcile that with our sins have been forgiven? How do you reconcile it with ‘the one who believes is NOT JUDGED’ John 3:18. I could post 100 verses that would not line up with your presentation of 2 Cor 5:10. So, why then grab on to one verse and let it trump so many others? Why not question if your interpretation is incorrect? Let’s talk about that verse…. If YOU stood be before God on judgement day, and got was DUE for all the BAD things you did, what would you get? The wages of sin is death. Are you saying, God changes ‘what’s due for sin’ for Christians? The fact is, we will all stand before the judgment seat. But you will not answer for your sins. Your sins have been taken away. Remembered NO MORE. There was a punishment for your sins, and Jesus took ALL of the punishment. Court is closed. No more trial. As we journey through the bible, we see the Bema seat is where judgment is doled out. Not rewards or forgiveness. Also, there’s a word you will won’t find anywhere in the bible. That word is REWARDS. Plural. You can find reward in the singular. There’s only one reward, and the Jesus. The inheritance of Kingdom. This whole rewards thing is man-made religion. Again, you seem to be calling 2 Cor 5 some kind of reward ceremony, but at the same time overlooking ‘getting what is DUE for all the BAD you did’. something you should consider. Blessings brother.

@@jesuswithoutreligion The evil refers to motives while doing good deeds. If I give a homeless person 20 bucks in front of my friends just to receive praise than my motives would be twisted. God sees the secret things done out of love and he shall repay. Christians will be judged but the judgement will not be of condemnation it will evaluate our works through our motives.

@@myballsitchsomethingfierce6319 Respectfully, you will not find a birth anywhere in all Scripture where a born-again Christian is referred to as evil. The motive you describe about giving for selfish purposes is simply a description of one person giving from the spirit, and the other person giving from the flash. That does not make that person ‘evil’ either nor his motives. The work may be useless, because it’s not from Christ, which you’re not going find guy ever addressing our performance as evil. It’s simply not in the Scriptures.