literally modern yugioh everything is one card combo with multiple starters and little bricks

Everything is hard once per turn these days so all 1of hand is pure gas. I didn't even play multiples of Maxx C and Blossom for a while.

For the record, i spammed a limit 1 deck from d4 to m5 with two losses only xd

@@bobzheng5251 Sometimes though, you draw like all 3 Ash, an inpermanance and a crossout going first

​@@tawfeeqabrahams3885 that is very unlikely in terms of expectation if you mixed in 12-15 starters, i guess 10 games u get 1 of those hands or if ur good at shuffling maybe zero

it fucking sucked, actually. It was basically snake-eyes but the gap is even wider format

@@wubwubdododo5656 Snake eyes isn’t even good in this format. Their grind game is absolutely pathetic.

@@Endershock1678 i mean do you even need to grind if you can win right on the spot?

have you tried making a better deck

@@Endershock1678 so you didnt actually play the event, got it.

You can't because if you have multiple of these formats permanent it splits up the playerbase

​@@randomname9723in pretty much ANY other multiplayer PC game there are multiple modes and rarely problems occur. Truth is, if you have more modes you have a bigger playerbase which means you offset the split of the playerbase between the modes

​@@randomname9723 there might be a split. But do you know how many new people would start playing Master Duel if Goat and Edison were added?

@@randomname9723There’s already a permanent split. There’s people who refuse to play modern yugioh at all.

josh played it well but that game was literally unwinnable if opponent had atleast 50 iq lol.

​@@anlalpak8272 it helped that they didn't have spares of anything to make it easier to close out that grindfest. But only just barely.

Or the 2005 format.

n/r format would be so fun and good but there’s also a lot of UR and SR that are ur and sr for no reason to me, they’re just niche and reallyyyyyy underused. i’d like to be able to play them without having to face the generic UR boss monsters and handtrap

Imagine if they combined them to n/r limit 1

I'd rather play this instead of ranked.

Every event I come away with the same conclusion... konami realized The 🐛 is awful years ago but they can't ban it in formats that japanese players play in or they'll lose the entire eastern playerbase

​@@carlostaffanelly418 I legitimately don't why Japanese players would quit if Maxx C was banned

@@ashikjaman1940 Cause Japanese have tiny weenies and if you have a tiny weenie you need Maxx C.

Mill 8, feel great

Teardanger is by far the most fun i have had in This game besides from ghoti and plunder

@@lucifero_il_gatto The mirror is also really funny in this event. My face when they set one pass, but that set card was a super poly that turned my Kit into their Rukallos

This is me with Branded. Even in the inferior Fusion event where Branded fusion was at ZERO. I really should just pick up paper and play tcg

@@Endershock1678 oh absolutely tear is one of the better designed archetypes from recent yugioh, very interactive and fast paced with lots of options, wish the Ishizu cards weren’t released, they made the deck to overturned for its own good

bc your deck was ass I bet

​@@aaronarceneaux1564because we can just play the usual snake eyes kshatrira and win?

Don't do Malicious like that

Snake-Eyes hits got me finally playing Kashtira cards, which means I lose into Nibiru more often and have to change up my combos tho. Can't wait for Calamaties to be gone. I honestly think they should ban Oak, because it wouldn't kill the deck, but it would make it significantly worse

honestly just play a bunch of small engines and it's all good. i play brandedtear and lose like 4 times to my 11k point.

@@s2-railgun718 Yeah, the engines were so funny. I lost to somebody playing Tear, Brave, Branded, Sword Soul, DPE, Horus, Snake Eyes. People were COOKING this format.

how is this relevant to the limit 1 event?

@@Ragnarok540 It isn't people send messages that aren't relevant to the video to share the things they find out all the time and mainly because its more likely to be seen that way.

Yeah, also ban snake eyes too. While we at it branded. Also zoodiac ban. Hmm . What else do you want?

@@reisen9584 I didn't ask anyone to ban Zoodiac, calm down lol

I'm pretty sure this happened in Fusion x Link too, so I doubt it's just that

@@Groxworld1 fusion link had a different banlist. Zombieworld for example wasn't allowed in fusion link. But was allowed in the limit 1. What I did not understand is why Kaijus were banned for fusion link festival.

Everyone was playing mill decks? I wasn't and barely played any such people (maybe not once, actually).

I don't think so. The player going first is significantly more likely to brick or build a weaker board, while the sixth card noticably improves your chances to see engine. Snake-Eyes in this evend had to include at least one more OSS-compatible engine to have a viable deck at all (probably Rescue-ACE in most cases _edit: and Limit 1 Rescue-ACE is rather bricky_ ). However, there are so many handtraps that even with all at one you _can_ play a number of them that matters.

@@xCorvus7x it did, u go first and get ur combo off, you win, plus ur opponent is less likely to stop u cas there are way fewer handtraps

There are enough hand traps and board breakers in Yugioh. You're now just playing things like Ogre, Raigeki, etc instead of 3x roach, 3x Ash, 2x Called By

@@saikuron772 I don't think you know how many handtraps there are in this game. Ash Blossom, the Ghosts Belle, Ogre, and Mourner, Droll, D.D. Crow, Nibiru, Imperm, Veiler, Gamma are already ten, and those see play under normal circumstances. Skull Meister, Retaliating „C“, Contact „C“, the PSY-Frames Delta & Epsilon, sometimes Chaos Hunter, Lancea, Phantazmay, and D.D. Shifter, and maybe also Ghost Reaper are another bunch onto which you can fall back. Then there's the Bystials and other cards that double as engine and interruption such as the Labrynth furnitures and Arias, and Havnis. And we haven't even started with boardbreakers (including Triple Tactics Talent and Thrust).

​@@saikuron772 You could limit or ban all the currently popular hand traps and STILL have a ton of things to work with. People are just good at coping with complacency, to the point where they don't even LOOK for answers to problem cards that have likely existed for DECADES at this point. Lingering effects are basically the one thing I can think of that an answer doesn't exist for right now(outside of Continuous or Lingering effects that override them back).

Snake-Eye isn't the only deck to have 1 card combos and be able to play a lot of hand traps. Consistency hits also don't lower the ceiling of decks whatsoever. They just reduce the frequency of those decks being able to reach that ceiling every game, meaning games can feel more sacky. Limits and semi-limits are good when decks play multiple copies of a card for reasons other than consistency, like Runick Fountain or Malicious, but Snake-Eye doesn't really have a card like that (maybe Poplar?), so the deck is trickier to hit without either banning cards or making consistency hits. I think that's more of the Snake Eye problem.

@@solobugg5087 So-called consistency hits do often also hit a deck's ceiling (which should account for the grindgame a deck can put up) and the way they affect a deck's consistency is as layered as the respective hits are diverse, since you may not just be significantly less likely to draw the best starter but also to draw valuable extenders. Snake-Eye, however, is very much a deck that plays every card for more than just consistency reasons because additional copies of the Level 1s constitute the follow-up (which is part of what makes the deck so strong) and the second Flamberge matters a lot for the deck's resilience to handtraps. The resilience to boardbreakers also depends on additional copies of each card.

@@xCorvus7x A deck may be significantly less likely to draw their best starter, but when they do draw it, they execute the same exact combo as if their best starter wasn't limited (assuming no other hits), meaning a consistency hit did virtually nothing that game. If you limit/semi-limit a card to cut off a deck's potential grind game, then that no longer makes it a consistency hit, because you're accounting for other factors that aren't just altering probabilities. From my personal understanding, the way Snake-Eye plays through multiple disruption is not by having multiple copies of a specific card in hand, but having a copy of as many different cards in hand (Bonfire, Wanted, Diabellestar, OSS, One for One), all of which function perfectly fine without needing more copies of themselves in the deck. They just play more for consistency reasons. Flamberge was the other card I was thinking that you could potentially limit that hits the deck without being either a ban or a consistency hit, and if limiting Snake-Eye Ash significantly hurts the deck because it means you can't search another copy of itself for follow-up, then I'm willing to be wrong there, but considering how much advantage they incur during the opponent's turn anyways, I don't know if it really matters.

@@solobugg5087 A consistency hit doesn't seem to do anything in the few games where the same starter was opened nonetheless but it does matter how frequently such games happen. Besides, if not just the starter is semi- or limited but also other engine pieces, the opponent's handtraps become a lot more impactful and playing against the deck actually feels different. When speaking of the grindgame I only meant that the ceiling of a deck should not be just how strong the endboard is that it can possibly produce but that the grindgame it can put up should also factor into that. One could say that the strength of an endboard can be manifested in a single turn where the opponent either breaks through and wins or doesn't and loses, or over several turns that your opponent has to struggle to break through. When speaking of Snake-Eye's resilience to handtraps, I only meant that Flamberge at more than one contributes to it significantly since you can set one copy in the backrow with the Temple and summon the other from the deck with Ash or Oak. Regarding boardbreakers I was mostly thinking of Evenly Matched, since it matters whether limited engine pieces are banished face-down. Aside from maybe limiting Flamberge, I don't think it's any single semi-/limit that weakens the deck significantly but the total mass of all cards being limited (as in this Master Duel event). Now they cannot just repeat their turn one combo on any consecutive turn but have to pivot into another strategy which centres around a Level 1 Fire monster, so their deck is diluted. That works both ways, to some extent: on one hand, they don't just have fewer engine pieces but also have to run cards that don't help them find the few engine pieces they do have (that is what people did with Tearlaments: fill up your deck with more ways to mill) since those cards belong to a different strategy; on the other hand, that other strategy will likely not be set up as much as it would be if they had not expended their resources on the Snake-Eye plays, so if you break through the Snake-Eye endboard they put up, the board set up with the rest of their deck is somewhat weaker than it would be, had that second strategy been more of the focus of the deck.

I agree except for the last part: in Limit 1, one-card combos are not the strongest by that much. There are a lot of handtraps in the game and Branded (a deck running on a lot of engine) was probably closer to Snake-Eye's power in Limit 1 than under the regular banlist. Besides, part of what makes Snake-Eyes so strong is their almost free follow-up that allows them to do the same combo they started with again and then some.

Of course if a deck is very bricky people wont play them cause whats the point if you gonna auto lose most of the time It just make the game less enjoyable for both player and viewer when one can't just play

Yeah. It's a problem with one card combos, where you can access your whole deck with one card after all your other plays have been baited out. Consistency hits can be great in grind game scenarios and can limit over extension (from non opt cards and less access to hit extenders)

@@hat_sauce3846 agreed

agree if poplar ash flam 1 is gone you have so much less followup

@@OsirusHandle Yeah, and now Nibiru _probably_ ends their turn (maybe even some weaker handtraps, if they just didn't draw enough gas).

@@xCorvus7x youd still get flam + masq

But isn't he just talking about consistency and not like grind game at all? I thought Josh's point was that even in limit one, with one card starters it doesn't hurt those decks' consistency very much. Basically modern card design making limiting cards obsolete, if many pieces of the archetype are one card starters.

@@OsirusHandle That's weaker than their current setup, and if you play through that you have solid chances to win in the very least.

It's amazing how much dumber it is to go first when it's harder to amass the resources for a backup plan. Snake-Eyes can still just build their same stupid board going first, but always manage to auto-lose when going second, making them an overrated pick for this kind of nonsense(but since it wasn't ranked and there's barely any penalty for losing people did it anyway out of lack of adaptability).