Sceleritas loves you more than Astarion does. 😒

They know about withers

MY BOY

I think his heart did quite literally break though

I am sure that his heart was also broken and likely the initial cause of death.

As a medical expat, cause of death was Sarahmorhoses.

Looked like... boneitis.

Am no doctor but I agree.

I might not be able to beat Orin, however Fel wouldn't stand a chance.

@@commitarson6583 Fel would literally get folded by Slayer Orin. Poor little dude must be protected at all costs.

@@dragonknight8280 Nah, he would just come back. He was killed many times by Durge before as he Sceleritas himself said.

@@aznoh2344 I mean he would come back, but just get folded immediately again.

He is my favourite character

Me, a Paladin who just dunked Orin with two divine smites: 🗿

especially as most of the game is well, that exact ending, most won't expect this to ever be an outcome

​​@@SUPERMavic Still on my first run, multiclassing as a Palalock. My favorite. If I can 1 turn Ansur then I'm going to clap Orin's buttcheeks for sure. Update: I clapped her buttcheeks.

@@raphezar2049 that's a really good point, meanwhile a not a lot of paladins out there know the REAL best weapon for paladin: the deva mace

@@SUPERMavic Oh, I'm aware of that. But didn't they patch the one way to acquire it? I'm using Duelist's Prerogative though, just because a rapier paladin sounds cool.

Fun fact: When Sceleritas is talking to you about finding you more people to slay and murder "to start your day off with a murder or three", the voice acting director gave the VA the prompt of "deliver the line like you are talking to a child who doesn't eat their veggies". Well, needless to say that the VA understood the assignment :D

In all this context of murder, violence, betrayal and other Bhaal'ship(I hope I can implement such word play xD) he sounds evil, but I don't know, he mostly seems like a kind teacher that cares about his student, not an insane creature craving for blood to be spilled. He maybe even isn't really evil, various atrocities committed by Bhaalspawn to him are rather necessary deeds, similar to how we have to learn language, math, etc

Voice actor is so good that I forgot it was being voice acted

Voice actor is so good that I forgot it was being voice acted

Voice actor is so good that I forgot it was being voice acted

He had um...a big heart

In my medical opinion, he died of sadness

This

He actually isn’t a goblin, I learned. If you check his creature type, he’s a devil.

@@MrFlourdelis He is one *hell* of a butler, after all

​@@whiteraven562Late reply, but that explains how he was able to roast Durge so well before his death. Imagine if he made a song for Durge like Raphael's Final Act to use against his enemies. That roast against Durge is insane though.

luckily I won with my Ranger, Arrows of Monstrosity Slaying ftw

@@callmezeldaonemoartime speaking of ranger, I’m playing one right now and I’m trying to configure the best way to max damage output (no multiclassing gloomstalker). Any tips?

​​@@jaredcunningham3667if you're going to no multiclass ranger you should go hunter for the amazing level 11. But if you've decided on your single class already the only thing to optimise is going 17 Dex, auntie Ethels hair, lvl 4 sharpshooter, risky ring, cats grace chest, bracers of archery club of giants strength and titanstring bow is all act 1

@@pingupower9780 very very good suggestions, later in Act 2 I also recommend starting to grab the unique Hand Crossbows from Yurgir and Roah Moonglow, then in Act 3 going for the Gleamdance Dagger from the Guild and Stone Lord standoff to hold in the off hand for a free AC, then get the murder weapon under the church to hold in the main hand to be able to cast Hold Person

@@jaredcunningham3667 something I did in my Honour Run was dip one level into Wizard to use Mage Armour with Cat’s Grace for 3 more AC, I later respecced and got rid of the Wiz level in Act 3

bro orin on honor mode was a beast, she could practically hit u a million times on ur turn and ur were dead

@@qyxnoo4029 fighting her on a low ac polearm wizard may have been a mistake. She wasn't in slayer mode for me but you're right she killed me in a round

@@Makofueled I just beat her with an Elixir of vigilance + pre-hasting + Eldritch blast'in. Didn't even have a fully optimal class, i was a 4/4/2/2 (Sorc,Rogue,Warlock,Bard) for the fun dialogue. I know if i didn't win initiative i'd lose, so why even risk initiative on honor mode.

That's one way to find this since most would have reloaded the previous save before seeing this.

Underappreciated futurama reference

my only regret is... that i have... boneitis.

"There's still good in him..." *crumples up into a basketball*

A 40 pounds backpack of explosives will do it.

Well, after she beat me i reloaded, then again, then again, then she killed everyone before i could get a turn in, then i went and bought a bunch of summon scrolls, then i went back and died, then i retried, then i got really lucky with a command spell and got her

​@@elwiwi4638 I would've reloaded again, get lucky again, killed her again, reloaded again just to satisfy another urge that's totally not dark at all.

@@elwiwi4638 Same, I had to reload until I could use Hold Monster on her and then I just spammed it every time she got free lmao

@@meryuchu533 Mine was similar though instead of Hold I made her (Otiluke's) Dance to death. "Behold, the dance of death!" -The Dark Urge, against Orin maybe

Nah, Butler can suck Urge's ass. Bhaal only sees him as a meat puppet, his death and separation from Bhaal already a blessing.

Yes. I'm glad Larian has the kys option, hopefully it is still available to the Durge.

​@@CondemnedInformerIt is. You get a much briefer epilogue than normal. No party, only Withers speaking to you in the Fugue plane

Is honor mode that difficult? I killed slayer Orin in 2 turns, smited her to oblivion.

Honour mode Orin killed my Sorcerer before I could even get a turn, and she was wearing heavy plate.@@marcushenderson8285

I would assume if you control the brain you don’t become mind fucked as the tadpole is still in you.

True warfare, abuse every advantage. A battle should never be a fair fight

yup. i do this even against Cazadore. Tbh i do it with any fight that allows it. Position-wise anyway. I attack from afar and about 99% of the time it works out wonderfully.@@Manslayer-eo1nh

Chad Tactics: Winner is right, the loser is wrong!

Just casually place Karlach next to the cultists so she can give em a toss into the chasm

@@psiosman sometimes i use thunderwave on some of the party members (party limit begone mod op) and yeet them off the edge XD

don't want to spoil too much, but you get one last chance to refuse him at the very end of the game

@@screaminjesus You don’t. Losing the duel locks you out of a good ending.

@@kara1084 You do. It's just that it comes at a much higher price

Canadian healthcare? you mean american?

@@Thrillkilled American healthcare might put you in debt until you die, but you'll get better enough to try to work it off until you can file for bankruptcy. Canadian healthcare, they'll just write you off as a loss and tell you to kill yourself lol.

@@Thrillkilled no, I mean Canadian. American healthcare is expensive but will actually fix you. Canadian Healthcare offers you Medical Assistance In Dying

That's the power of hubris. Based on the writings you can find, The Dark Urge was overconfident in their abilities, which allowed Orin to sneak attack them while they were distracted. I'm surprised Durge would even make her second-in-command of the Temple and bring her along on important missions like the one to Moonrise, but there's that hubris again. There's also probably some nepotism involved as well.

With well-executed backstabbing. Not in a direct combat approach.

​@@callmeraeakmaybe LUST;) I would keep orin as scretary for you know what

​@@sadsworth4605Considering she's a changeling... But yeah, just that I could do without the gore fetish!

@@sadsworth4605 Incestuous!

You get the epilogue where you're standing at the edge of the party, waiting for everyone to fall asleep so you can kill them.

You're not the only one: he's still hanging out in my camp too. I have a feeling this issue is further down on Larian's list of bugs they need to fix.

You can get his hat from The Devil's Fee. The proprietor will give it to you, saying he left it behind the last time you two were there.

And if you wear the hat while meeting him at the door he'll comment on it

The duel is meant to prove which of the spawn is the strongest, which is why Bhaal forces Orin to become the Slayer if you reveal the degenerate lies that define her existence. It's a test of strength and Bhaal offers a lot of it to his loyal spawn.

I was a TB Monk and coincidentally drank a 27 str and just annihilated her with topple flurry

as a human wizard, i did not

I did it in 1 on my warlock/paladin. Just pre cast haste, not much survives 6 smites lol

damn it took you two turns? our paladin did it in one

@@boxforusa8970 paladins are a more damage oriented class so it makes sense

You get the ending where you stalk your friends planning to murder them. You can even get it regardless of being a mindflayer.

@@Midget9029 reread what I said; you seem to have ignored it entirely. When you claim the absolute.

If you lose the duel you only have one option in the end. Claim the crown of Karsus for Bhaal. It seems the urge takes over you at the very end and you live essentially as Bhaal's puppet.

@@TheMasterUnity now that’s interesting.

​@@TheMasterUnity I think patch 5 changed that so all playthroughs can get the epilogue camp party. "Dark Urge players should now always have the option to kill the netherbrain in the game's final combat."

When you die, the rest of your party joins combat and you fight Orin and her cultists to get her stone.

@@callmeraeak ah ok, thank you!

After Durge died, the rest of the party entered combat with Orin and her cultists. I left Durge dead for the remainder of the battle because I wanted to see what would happen. Once my party defeated Orin and her cultists, that was when Bhaal appeared and resurrected Durge.

No

Nope.

well kind of, the butler cares about durge in the sense he is the only person he wishes to serve.

The butler is made to care for the durge. I doubt he has his own feelings. He's just an extension of bhaal's will and when there is no use for you, there is no use for him. Not to mention, I'm almost certain each butler is a new version of the last. So the final one was programmed to be less than nice

They're like the family steward that got exclusively hired to make sure Durge becomes what Bhaal wants them to be. He does actually care to some degree but Durge succeeding and fulfilling Bhaal's wishes takes precedence over everything else. Durge failing in the video tells us exactly this. The Butler was ashamed he lost the duel because he believed Durge would win.

You need to be playing the Dark Urge origin character and duel Orin one-on-one to trigger this. After you lose to her in one-on-one combat, the rest of your party will then join the fight. I left the Dark Urge dead for the rest of the battle rather than reviving him because I wanted to see what would happen. If you do revive the Dark Urge, things might play out differently 🤷🏻

@@callmeraeak This is exactly what I did, I revived my durge after the battle because nothing was happening. And then the butler talked to me as if I won. It's either a bug or I'm missing something else.

@@kawaty Strange. My guess is it's probably a bug then. I'm not sure if that makes you lucky or not, since this is definitely the worst fate for Durge.

Whether Orin is easy to beat or not has a lot to do with your class and who goes first. This character is a bard and Orin went first. She nearly wiped me out in a single hit and finished me off on her second turn. With a different Durge, a rogue who went first, I had no problem taking her down. I could have loaded back to try again, but I wanted to see what would happen if I just left him dead.

Bards can be one of the better options against her. Hold Monster followed by upcast Scorching Ray or Slashing Flourish (Ranged) is hilariously effective if luck has her fail the Wisdom save.

​@dennyAyard_ as a sorlock, hold monster was my only way of beating her. I also had to go into the fight with sanctuary on so that she doesn't kill me in 1 turn

@@callmeraeak that depends rather on build than on your class specifically. If you have low AC and low HP pool, combined with low initiative, that is something that you need to fix.

@@callmeraeak My Durge is a Bard and I just got to act 3. I have the Slayer form though, so she can't use it. A shame its DCs are bugged so it's bad if you're a Bard.

Unfortunately, that does not prevent it. I had thought it might so I made that choice, but alas...

From personal experience: first run, balance, pure support class, no need to minmax stats arose before. First turn, i loose initiative, she crits 3 times, i fall, she crits 4th and you have a nicely sliced bard on the plate🥩 Had to f5f8 about a dozen times just to survive 1 turn, then about twice of that to make Otto and/or paralysis stick more than 1 turn (she got out 8/10 times) and somehow deal damage with 45% hit chance at best. Since I'm a hoarder, i also wasted 30 minutes more to browse Gale's scroll pack for anything useful, forget what i've found, browse again, give them to Durge, forget to f5, die. Repeat 2 times. TLDR, Orin can an will kick your ass. Fun fight tho, like Tom and Jerry lost episode

​@@aeonredgrave3752That sounds like a fight lost by design if you ask me. Gee no wonder a support can't win that one, meanwhile all the paladins in the chat pumped ten smites into Orin's butt cheeks and it was a pushover. Then again it kind of makes that Durge of all people wouldn't be stuck as a bard sooooo...

@@markopusic8258 nah, it was my wish to follow spoiler free run and bad rng for Otto and Hold. Also i could use potions and buffs beforehand, but previous save was at tribunal 3 hours ago :(

@@markopusic8258 also, idk, for me it feels like durge could be any class , even not necessary the same before tadpole. It is evident he is quite intelligent, wise and good tactician to lead temple and succeed on his side of the Plan. Sure, paladin, cleric, monk, fighter, rogue, wizard fit right in, but so does sword college bard with focus on crowd control and stabbing people and some disguise/invisibility/lockpicking/speech for nonconfrontational objectives. At least it went this route after lvl4 :D

@@aeonredgrave3752 Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's a bad thing far from it, I'm just pointing out the fact that it was going to be hard by default because of how you built your Durge. I've had my own bad luck experiences I rolled with, my first run at the Inn in act 2 resulted in an unexpected ambush, Isobel getting crit 3 times and thus kidnapped into me killing all my Tieffelin friends and losing Jaheira to the zombies. That was also me getting arrested on purpose only to unwillingly oathbreak because I killed the guards to escape, only to then leave the one snoring alive and getting aggroed by the castle AFTER agreeing with Gortash because that one guard saw me free Karlach who was taken away. Point being, it's perfectly fine that you got an impossible fight on your hands because of how you played... but yeah, no wonder it was impossible lol.

Not sure what your issue is here, but this character isn't gay. He romanced Karlach. If you have a problem with his pink hair, that's fine but I gave him a wild hair color because I was leaning into the flamboyant bard stereotype 🤷🏻

@@callmeraeak hey man whatever floats your boat