What happens if you kill everybody on your way to THE SORROW?

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For a long time I have wondered what would actually happen if you killed virtually anything you can lay your eyes on in MGS3, all the way up until you face The Sorrow. How long can the fight possibly take? I know that if you play the game non-lethal and beat the prior bosses via stamina without killing anyone, you only get to see those 4 bosses and the fight ends fairly quickly.
How long can the fight realistically go on for? I intend to play through the game on NG+ Normal and use the patriot alongside any other weapon I can find to wreak havoc and misery.
If you are morbidly curious like me, feel free to join me as I rampage through the swamps and jungles of Snake Eater in an attempt to find out how long The Sorrow fight could possibly last whilst slaughtering every living being and turning Naked Snake into an Apex predator along the way.
Special shoutout to ANTIBigBoss for the Cheat Trainer used in a later part of this video.
Video Chapters:
Introduction - 00:00
Virtuous Mission - 00:57
Snake Eater - 04:10
The Sorrow - 20:50
Backup Save File - 21:54
Comparison - 30:01
Conclusion - 32:06
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@matthewinterlantejr.9297 7 ай бұрын

Fun fact... If you kill a soldier and let a vulture eat him before killing and eating it yourself, he walks past you in the sorrow section saying "you ate me!"

@toucan6109 7 ай бұрын

Wtf lol. Didnt even know that game had vultures

@ORIGINALFBI 7 ай бұрын

@@toucan6109Bruh what did you think the birds on the mountain were?

@boogiedownbrown 7 ай бұрын

That fucked me up the first time I heard that.

@davidilling6850 6 ай бұрын

@@ORIGINALFBI dinosaurs

@willgillies5670 6 ай бұрын

it makes for some interesting radio calls with Paramedic.

@lepatate3457 7 ай бұрын

The cringe no-spotted pacifistcel run vs the turbochad guns-blazing rampage run

@withinuk 7 ай бұрын

LMAO

@BlockierVase3 7 ай бұрын

Average Chad mindset

@Patatras_5325 7 ай бұрын

I literally just did the pacifist ending for the trophy but man it boring af I prefer going guns blazing

@captainitalia811 7 ай бұрын

Genuinely the most fun way to play this game

@puckfigs9902 7 ай бұрын

Probably the easiest way to play especially once you've got an MG and a sawn-off

@thehalfinstream1630 7 ай бұрын

MGS3 if it was written by Hollywood writers in the 80s

@odeleon24 7 ай бұрын

The Army: did you leave anything for us? Snake: yea, bodies

@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 6 ай бұрын

Snake Pliskin.

@DreadNawght 4 ай бұрын

yes when snake gets destroyed during the virtuous mission so they decide to send in chuck norris

@SilvioBearLusconi 3 ай бұрын

It’s basically like watching Rambo 2

@ghostmane8018 20 күн бұрын

Rambo is 🔥🔥🔥

@Haydenrwyatt 6 ай бұрын

“Snake try to remember the basics of cqc” Snake: Hahaha patriot gun go brrrrrrrrrrr

@sneakysnuck8481 7 ай бұрын

Zero: Snake this is supposed to a stealth mission, No one's supposed to know! Snake: No one will know about it if there's no one living to tell Zero: I- You need SERIOUS therapy

@serasizumi2830 7 ай бұрын

Coming from zero that’s rich irony there…although that would explain a lot about him after the fact.

@Dovah_Slayer 5 ай бұрын

Snake is a master of Russian stealth no one can notice if there's no one to notice

@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus 4 ай бұрын

*Major Iam . . . burning up* Zero: . . .

@seanbrown6834 4 ай бұрын

Zero turned out the way he did BECAUSE of Big Boss 😂

@PekoraMamiCouncilHK 4 ай бұрын

@@seanbrown6834 But things become troublesome for enemy side if no one was killed It means everyone is SUS

@Rondart 5 ай бұрын

Fun fact, if you called Sigint after you encounter flame soldiers, he will comment that the people there are pissed you killed so many of their comrades. If you’re stealthing it though, he comments that Volgin is the one who is big mad that you unalived three of his Cobra Units.

@Podzhagitel 3 ай бұрын

“people there are pissed you KILLED” “big mad that you UNALIVED” 🤔🤔🤔

@PixelatedManiac 7 ай бұрын

I remember this question, yea the limitation has been found ages ago. (btw I do love this video) if you stealth the whole game but kill every guard that is hand placed in each level you'll have the max amount of guards during the sorrow fight. the limitation is reinforcement guards don't actually have any presence technically so killing them, while adding to the end game counter, doesn't actually register as a "named guard killed" so they won't appear in the sorrow fight.

@migueeeelet 4 ай бұрын

So it's like the dog tags in MGS2, you only get them from the patrol guards

@PixelatedManiac 4 ай бұрын

@@migueeeelet yes, exactly!

@cesarcabrera97 6 ай бұрын

Skull Face and XOF cleaning up the mess Naked Snake made: wtf is wrong with this dude?

@maxleavitt8199 6 ай бұрын

When a Metal Gear Rising player plays Metal Gear Solid:

@spacewolfgaming555 7 ай бұрын

I just did this yesterday. I spend all my time tranqing enemies, but I did an "Everyone Must Die" playthrough, mainly to see the Sorrow bit. I turned Snake into the Predator with the Stealth camo, Infinity Face Camo, and Patriot. Also, if you shoot the ropes that are holding up the bridge in Dolinovodno right beside the soldiers crossing, they'll fall into the water below.

@odeleon24 7 ай бұрын

Nice. Didn’t know you could shoot the bridge

@2yoyoyo1Unplugged 6 ай бұрын

Does that make it dependent on your grip gauge to cross?

@spacewolfgaming555 6 ай бұрын

@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged You can walk down the middle of the bridge and you'll be fine, just don't full sprint.

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz 5 ай бұрын

People falling or blowing from barrels and such or trip after being tranqed don't count as kills honey. It follows very Bronze Age Batman logic.

@spacewolfgaming555 5 ай бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz Hahaha that I can accept. Guess I have to redo my "Everyone Must Die" playthroughs for each game.

@Racren 7 ай бұрын

I know, it's the point of the video to get as many kills as possible... but... how dare you kill Johnny? :(

@Dyley05 7 ай бұрын

Ti trovo anche qui ormai 😅

@andrewpeutherer 7 ай бұрын

Johnny dies eitherway by Volgin

@Racren 7 ай бұрын

@@andrewpeutherer Johnny survived, mgs3 Johnny was also originally supposed to appear at his grandson's wedding in mgs4

@andrewpeutherer 7 ай бұрын

@@Racren He gets executed according to a codec call by EVA

@Racren 7 ай бұрын

@@andrewpeutherer this codec call doesn't exist lol, he is never mentioned in codec calls in mgs3

@scottypittman1 7 ай бұрын

The guys singing Snake Eater at the live stream Shia LaBeouf set up is something I never knew I needed until now and it's glorious. Great work on the video my man, it's truly awesome.

@snaketanker 7 ай бұрын

What’s funny is the guy actually ended up doing stuff with the WWE I think

@scottypittman1 7 ай бұрын

@@snaketanker Do you know what specifically? I'm a huge fan of the WWE and would love to see his work.

@attackingelectron 7 ай бұрын

@@scottypittman1his name was Mansoor, he was apart of the recent cuts when TKO became a thing, he was in Maximum Male Models at the time, he’s hilarious

@scottypittman1 6 ай бұрын

@attackingelectron Wait, no kidding. That guy was Mansoor? That's awesome, dude. I loved his stuff in pro wrestling.

@mikeasu6464 7 ай бұрын

13:00 A true mgs fan reaction when they see a big ladder

@kikook222 7 ай бұрын

From my own experience, it's a very long fight. It's actually what taught me that I should play stealth games like stealth games. Kojima changed how I play games.

@SolidSnake56 4 ай бұрын

Im doing a stealth walkthrough rn to get the stealth camo but damn it's boring, going rampage in this game is The Way

@Definitely_a_Fox 7 ай бұрын

You're probably right about how the fight's length is capped. In fact, I may even go as far as to say you probably hit the limit well before you actually reached The Sorrow. And the difference of a second is most definitely within a margin of error. If you had the patience to do the fight multiple times, you'd probably find that the length varies from attempt to attempt.

@withinuk 7 ай бұрын

Yep that is generally what it seemed like to me. 1st playthrough was 300+ kills. The backup was 500+ at the very most. So there definitely is some sort of cap. I do wonder if its the same for Snake Eater/Substance. I will eventually one day, dust off the PS2 to take a look. Thanks for watching !

@Dorraj 7 ай бұрын

My guess (based on the fact that you could still see old and new kills on both the original and backup save) is that it probably only counts 4 or 5 kills per area, or maybe even 10-20 kills per enemy type and/or type of kill.

@braillynn4903 6 ай бұрын

@withinuk look forward to that video!

@Xtrooper116 4 ай бұрын

@@Dorraj my guess was similar. I assume at some point the "backup" character that come during the alert phase don't count toward the fight. The question is, is that only after the kill threshold has been hit or do none of the fodder count.

@sicskillz12 7 ай бұрын

I remember being stuck on the sorrow bossfight because my first play through in the game I didn’t use fake death pill at all so I didn’t know about revival pill. I can’t tell you how many times I walked through the mangrove just to die at his buddy and hit continue 😢. But I will always remember that boss fight above any other lol

@CXXIII123 5 ай бұрын

I hate to admit it, but I had the exact same experience.

@DavidSRJR 5 ай бұрын

I remember watching my dad while we racked our brains to the point of us going online with dial up internet hopping for an answer. After learning the what to do we felt dumb and angry hahaha We were also the two idiots that kept turning off the PS2 during arsenal Gear when the codec said to do it.

@CODA96 2 ай бұрын

@@DavidSRJR That sounds very stupid to me. I think i only got trolled ONCE at the sorrow by hitting continue, after that i tried every button and alas, L2 and the revival pill just seemed to make sense, even as a 12yr old back then.

@Brootah 7 ай бұрын

this video deserves more recognition

@withinuk 7 ай бұрын

Thank you haha, it took 4 days to record and make so im glad to finally deliver it

@powercannonp 7 ай бұрын

Average DSP playthrough

@withinuk 7 ай бұрын

lmao dont forget the suppressor

@CODA96 2 ай бұрын

''How did he see me?? COOOH MOOON MAAEN DIS GAEM IS STOOOPID! WHAT A POORLY PROGRAMMED PART OF THE GAME! AGAGAGAGA!''

@SlewedBoot25934 7 ай бұрын

19:55 "It was also at this point where I realized the SAA wasn't that good, and I needed serious farted- firepower."

@MADMANC123 7 ай бұрын

This was literally my first playthrough as I used to suck at stealth in this game

@JackWestrop 7 ай бұрын

Great video, loved the ladder sequence.

@Blade-Rave 6 ай бұрын

Good way to make this long segment easier is to get as many nutshots as possible throughout the game to kill the enemies. Slows them down a bit since they clutch their bleeding nuts as they walk up to you instead of just trying to grab you

@Dovah_Slayer 5 ай бұрын

Naked snake? More like The Nutcracker

@robbenog6021 7 ай бұрын

To everyone new to MGS3 Naked Snake is NOT a hired un-aliver Think of him has Agent 47, he only takes out on whats on the contract no collaterals

@dylanzlol7293 7 ай бұрын

Just say the word "killer"

@hylianro 6 ай бұрын

@@dylanzlol7293fr why are people so afraid to say the word kill

@KazzKobb 6 ай бұрын

@@hylianro Because sometimes youtube remove the comments with that word

@hylianro 6 ай бұрын

@@KazzKobb ah that's weird

@guily6669 5 ай бұрын

Well that's not the agent 47 I know, "mine" also seems to enjoy killing everything 🤣

@whatre_you_looking_at 7 ай бұрын

I killed everyone I saw in my first playthrough and thought the sorrow boss fight was bugged.

@Jay3up Ай бұрын

Major Zero: “snake this is a stealth mission” Naked Snake: “I’m going to pretend like I didn’t hear that”

@odeleon24 7 ай бұрын

I love that you can kill the End early, and that wheel. Great video!!

@AngelRasmus3 7 ай бұрын

There's an interesting mechanic I learned recently watching SirRando's no camo run, if you knock out the guards outside Sokolov's room in Grozyj Grad they send new sentries to take their place. I don't know how many times they do this before something else happens (if at all, might go on forever XD) but it would've funny if you wiped out an entire group of sentries until they just gave up

@vgfan4ever 5 ай бұрын

"Snake....how many have you killed....I...Jesus christ there's not even any room to move in here. What the actual fuck is wrong with you?"

@emersonolivares9217 5 ай бұрын

EVA set Snake up to destroy everything while the Boss had control of the philosophers legacy and retrieved everything!

@samsaverino8159 7 ай бұрын

In my most recent playthrough of MGS3 i had a gaurd that i killed land on an electric fence and everytime it would shock him and throw his body it kept landing back on the fence over and over, i never had that happen before lol

@ps3andrhcp 7 ай бұрын

Question I've never asked, but am very curious about. Great idea!

@jamesorion1986 7 ай бұрын

Actually did this on the switch version on last playthrough, legit, it felt like that damn river was rolling for at least 20 minutes, possibly close to 30.

@Xrilliam762 6 ай бұрын

my favorite part of this vid was where you literally sang the whole snake eater song just like any mgs bro has drunkenly sang with their boys. that sh9t was real as f8ck and i felt that, shed a tear almost. anyways, i subbed gg thanks for this vid. ur great

@The_Real_Pete_ZaHutt 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for making my mgs3 intrusive thoughts video 😂 you definitely deserve more subscribers man

@michaeledmunds7056 4 ай бұрын

As a kid, this is the version of the fight I always encountered.

@Brendo2386 7 ай бұрын

I've done this before. Great video haha Especially the ladder part

@onyxguy9616 7 ай бұрын

2:53 "It's like that scene from Baki." 3:00 "It is that scene from Baki!"

@coleandhisvideos 6 ай бұрын

JOHNNY WAS OFF LIMITS NOOOOO

@gamer42399 7 ай бұрын

THE BAKI REFERENCE! 🤣🤣🤣AUTOMATIC SUB! 👏🏾

@Frostta4583 7 ай бұрын

GOATED channel❤

@mitchlinder1689 4 ай бұрын

10 years later i finally know why this fight took my brother so damn lang he killed every single person he could without the alarm being raised

@URangryX 6 ай бұрын

Not gonna lie, ever since I found out about this mechanic around 2018 or so I always wondered this as well....thanks for saving me the trouble, amigo. Seriously, thank you.

@dillonkinder9296 7 ай бұрын

Now that’s the true Call of Duty way

@angusaya1740 7 ай бұрын

Great video!, like someone else said, this video neds more views. Happy to see a challenge run!

@By_the_gods 7 ай бұрын

Pretty sure I did that as a teenager just out of my sheer ignorance at the time. But this is the content I've been looking for

@chiefcoiler 16 күн бұрын

I literally was going to do an all kill run, but once I got past the electric fence, I remembered the sorrow exists.

@aldoeljardinero 7 ай бұрын

This is the kind of content I want to see

@MrBolognaTony 5 ай бұрын

That ladder montage was fantastic 😂

@CommanderButter 7 ай бұрын

must've been one hell of a grind

@nightw4tchman 6 ай бұрын

25:28 It feels like Metal Gear Rambo at this point.

@VITAS874 4 ай бұрын

Maybe reference if pick up it 😂

@willgillies5670 6 ай бұрын

Nice playthrough, and I agree, 19 years old and its probably still on my top ten games . I like to blow up food, and once they say "So hungry", I throw poisoned dart frogs i killed before. Nice way to Stamina kill the Fear . Also, remember Single Action Army bullets can bounce when you face shield guards, just aim at Wall or ground nearest them.

@CursedLink666 4 ай бұрын

There's definitely a limit on the ps2 version of how many people show up in the river. I took out absolutely everybody (300+) including Ocelots and Pilots, but there were no Ocelots or Pilots during the sorrow sequence. It remembered all the burning scientists and interior guards though.

@megahobbit5972 5 ай бұрын

Damn i expected the ladder to be on the sorrows walk since you killed it hard.

@peanut983 4 ай бұрын

“A 20 minute shoot out” this game truly does create the legend that is, Big Boss.

@x-daveonpc 7 ай бұрын

I'd call that playthrough "Beating MGS3 the way Kojima intended".

@sicskillz12 7 ай бұрын

I feel like the length is just tied to the different types of enemies you kill and how you did it, one game I completely with my only kills being throat cuts up to that point and I got like 4 soldiers with throats cut between each boss spirit

@redemurrdagoat 7 ай бұрын

The "Stealth is Optional" Run

@ShadowMark3_ 7 ай бұрын

Man, Big Boss got educated on the Zero Mortal Plan i see.

@TheScan09 6 күн бұрын

I actually can not wait for this boss fight in the MGS3 remaster

@Aarma 5 ай бұрын

Reminder that deaths from indirect method, like explosive barrels, wont count towards the kill count.

@epimetheaus1214 24 күн бұрын

My first playthrough I left a trail of bodies that could have lined the border of a continent. My walk down that river took quite a while.

@cloontrwpa8383 3 ай бұрын

What’s the name of the background music in the massacre section towards the end of the vid?

@lukepace190 7 ай бұрын

How’d you get footage of my first play through??

@levimachado 5 ай бұрын

I've done that with CQC interrogations and knife in all soldiers on my way to the sorrow on my first playthrough lol... that took FOREVER.

@GypsyVisuals 6 ай бұрын

It has forever disappointed me that, even if you kill nobody, you still can't duck down in the river and swim during the Sorrow fight because a ghost grabs your foot. Like, wouldn't that have been a great new game bonus thing? If you got that far and didn't kill anyone, I think you earned skipping the boring walk forwards though the river. If you want to challenge the hardest stealth section in that game, try not removing the tracking beacon before the Sorrow fight. The Ocelot unit is patrolling the river where Snake wakes up, it's extremely difficult to leave the area without an alert.

@SuprMikey64 7 ай бұрын

i didn't expect much different result but there was a comical amount of fish in that river for sure LMAO

@VITAS874 4 ай бұрын

This also how i try complete stealth game IGI as kid.

@BirnieMac1 6 ай бұрын

Isn’t the brazillian wandering spider’s venom the erection one? I wonder if they knew that before using that in the fear cutscene dialogue; wouldn’t be surprised if they did

@gameknight1971 5 ай бұрын

Lore accurate big boss

@NetvoTV 2 ай бұрын

What is the soundtrack you use during the sorrow scenes, it sound familiar!

@MrAwesomeKittyCat 7 ай бұрын

I liked this video purely for the beauty of the ladder scene edit

@Michael37476 7 ай бұрын

DSP if he had a brain

@hylianro 6 ай бұрын

Looks like my first playthrough. I started with this game so i wasnt familiar with the theme "you enjoy all the killing" until later 😂

@AfroJeffrey 2 ай бұрын

The Healing Radio only works once from what I know esp during the PS2 Snake Eater and Subsistence.

@katieheys3007 4 ай бұрын

"This is a solo sneak mission Snake"..."Patriot go brrrrrrrrrrrr"

@revell7156 7 ай бұрын

2:13 flashback to the knife kill upstairs in the movie "Saving Private Ryan". 😅

@slavvodkaman9359 7 ай бұрын

as MGS 3 Veteran I've been played almost 33 times since PS2 era until Master Collection PC , its really annoying if you kill everyone in MGS3 such as killing a Soldier , it will be making your walk pretty slowly when you fight sorrow,

@youtubedj9298 5 ай бұрын

Ever see the guy running by in the river? I wonder how that guy dies to make him run past or if it even matters?

@slavvodkaman9359 5 ай бұрын

@@youtubedj9298 Well, I don't know, I'm still searching about that guy who running on the river, But I can assume, He died from Slippery or something, But I do see him

@pastaloop6797 3 ай бұрын

u can skip the fight by drowning urself then using the revive pill u just don't get the sorrow camo at the end of the fight

@dcflake5645 20 күн бұрын

Think i hung around on a save for well over a year. Would go back to it every few weeks when i wanted to play for a few hours. Probably racked up a kill count similar to the population of most central American countries but still no difference at the sorrow. Glad someone confirmed this though.

@grantforester1864 4 ай бұрын

Snake but he learned Russian stealth: you cant get caught if there’s no one alive

@bxauh 4 ай бұрын

Im ashamed i didnt find this channel earlier

@seven2006 20 күн бұрын

I understand tour pain of fumbling all those controls when I was playing it. Those little sensitive control buttons destroyed me and the camera angle was in the worst possible position everytime

@caiocouto3450 Ай бұрын

@Neethan3247 4 ай бұрын

Aside from Snake Eater, what's the complete ost list of the video? Particularly the one playing at 22:00.

@shabur2862 7 ай бұрын

What is the song during the virtuous mission? Great video by the way.

@ianweckhorst3200 3 ай бұрын

Beginning: calm music I don’t care 1:00 exactly: the only thing I know for real 3:02: intermission for Baki reference 3:18 intermission over, more jamming with jetstream Sam 3:36 soon afterwards sam’s theme ends 4:16 persona 5 café music comes on which doesn’t really fit the situation at all 6:16: persona 5 music ends when he makes boop with funny explosive 6:32: western? Music comes on, I guess it fits better than chill café vibes 12:49: Mario odyssey sounding music ends, snake fucking eater starts 15:30: 🫡 🫡 🫡 15:30: also, another goofy soundtrack comes on, is it also persona 5? And probably the western too, we get it, you like the soundtrack 18:38 no! Don’t do that! 20:31: I thought it would have ended, but it didn’t I decided to skip to 29:45 No music changes in all that time!

@Gunbudder 4 күн бұрын

I did this using ONLY FOOD ITEMS. I only threw spiders, snakes or rotten/poisonous food after destroying the enemy's food to make them hungry. it was an incredible play through and i highly recommend it. i call it the Willy Wonka Genocide

@12MYCRYL17 6 ай бұрын

The trickiest boss fight. I remember being so mad that I "die" at the end. after HOURS of trying, I accidentally dropped my controller, then the items menu popped. Got curious, then was able to revive. smh. ...now, we also know that you just need to merc yourself asap on this fight so it would end instantly. LUL

@Gunbudder 4 күн бұрын

if i do a genocide run, i always just drown myself immediately when the sorrow fight starts. it ends the fight in a few seconds

@alaakamel327 7 ай бұрын

I actually tried this a long time ago before the KZfaq era so in the original PS2 copy it had the same limitation. "Btw u missed a couple of dudes and a few gunships at the Groznyj Grad overlook in the mountains after meeting Eva"

@nunyanunya4147 4 ай бұрын

my buddy had this game. he played it like a 12 y/o would. thenhe watched me play it stealthy. he ruined the experience for me by throwing a fit about how easy the dream sequence was and how short ov a walk it was for me... fuck you Drew!

@CrimsonDalek 5 ай бұрын

I don't think the game counts explosive barrel kills count as kills

@TheAMGReviewers 7 ай бұрын

What was the anime where that soldier was stalking another right behind the other?

@azurephantom100 4 ай бұрын

i love MGS3 out of boredom i did this very thing but i never kept track of the numbers and so on. fun fact: if you throw a flash grenade in the cave every animal that isnt around a corner will instantly die