Classic beancounter logic: Take a vehicle with terrible styling but good mechanicals and marry it to a vehicle with good styling but terrible mechanicals taking the worst of both, bump the price by 20% then wonder why sales tank. A rather strong aroma of MBA 'engineering'.

They should have taken the Triton, engineered it a little more and then slapped a nissan bumper on it. Super select 2 and the price are the major selling point. Triton is far more popular than the Navara is.

Jeez that's a shame. The 2.4 diesel with the 6 or 8 speed auto are a nice thing. Probably one of the best combinations mitsi has made.

So Triton got to a point where it had a solid reliability with the engine and transmission and then go and run the Nissan gear

I guess my current Triton is the last I will buy. That's very sad, I've had a few and love em😔

No Pajero. No Triton. No Express Van. No Zero. Is this the end of Mitsubishi's own in-house design?

All of a sudden the cheap utes from India and China aren't looking so bad. If you're going to buy a cheap ute, your might as well not pay too much for it.

Would like to see Mitsa try and warrant Navs for 10 years. They’ll be broke in ton time!

I'm saddened by the end of Triton and Pajero. I'd never claim my Pajero is the best off-road vehicle, but it does what it does in a satisfactory way. The all wheel drive and traction control work very well in winter conditions, so much so that I always pray for deep snow and icy backroads.

So the price will go up and the value will be way down then? I guess they won't be selling many of them then.

I am very sad they have decided to can the Pajero wagon. Even after 20yrs it still looks good. It is a nice car to drive for every day and it is ok offroad. In my opinion it is a very good 4x4 for people that don't do offroad often. All the investment has been paid off. All they had to do is slap some modern electronics (lane keep assist adaptive cruise etc) a new engine if they have to and it would make a very compelling proposition with very little investment required. I have no idea what is going in the minds of the people running car companies.

That's it. Triton is now a Nissault Grenade. I can hear Isuzu cheering from my house.

I love listening to john but i cant help thinking what it must have been like being his kid and getting help with homework

Love the way the media is cunningly clever. The headline says "will look different......" This hooks the reader to go through the entire article and at the very end get told "......however mechanically identical." This is why I don't waste my time listening to the media anymore. :D

With the GWM and LDV utes growing in sales and only the Mitsubishi Triton keeping buyers away from these brands, I see now that the Triton will be a Navara means that we no longer have a quality non overpriced ute at the frontline keeping sales away from LDV and GWM and I feel we will start to see a large increase of sales from these two brands.

Never underestimate the incompetence and ignorance of high up management in car companies. If you wanted any proof, look what Land Rover did with the Defender.

That super select II 4wd system is why I bought my triton! Lucky I just got another one 🥳

I've had 2 Nissans. Never again.

stand at the rear side of the Navara, grab the side and pull, watch it separate from the tailgate sideways. You should be easily able to pull the side panel about 30mm if you have the tailgate unlocked, and about 18mm with the tailgate closed. Try strapping something with the rachet tie downs and you can collapse the sides into each other easy as.

Geez I've been saving for a GSR Triton for 12 months after extensive research, better get my finger out.

“Slut out a few hastily adapted Tritons” Gold!

As a 2019 Pajero Sport owner it is sad that this model combo will be killed off. Ohhhh look, here comes the Chinese car makers ... Please John could you review the GWM Cannon and Haval H6?!

I've owned a diesel 4x2 manual tray-top ute since 2016 and it would have to be, overall, the best vehicle I've ever owned. Well built, excellent value for money and I can't rave enough about the engine! What a shame all of this is going to be dumped in favour of a 3rd rate Nissan re-badge. Such a pity that Mitsubishi couldn't have climbed into bed with perhaps Hyundai or Kia and given either of them a vehicle that they don't currently have in their ranges and whilst shoring up production of the Triton. I'm sure that there are just way too many reasons that this couldn't happen but ..... bugger!

This is why we can't have nice things.

Unless I am mistaken, Mercedes Benz tried a similar move with Merc badged Navara and it ended in tears

Got my MR Triton, can't believe this. It is brilliant and I love it.

The 3 pronger X class rush to bail out was certainly undignified. That Nissan found 9777 Navara buyers is quite some achievement. Rear suspension segment of the vid most humorous.

Bought my Triton MR MY20 in April 2020 after watching John's L200 video. Paid $38K (SUCK ON THAT FORD, TOYOTA and ISUZU) in Queensland brand new off the show floor, diamond white....what a beaut!. Starting to pimp it now. Thanks John.

A new Navara based on the Mitsubishi would be great.

Just for your information the L200/TRITON and the NAVARA are sharing the same chassis-frame and the same cab since 2014 ! But now they are talking about powertrain!! If a Nissan engine and transmission will be used on the Mitsubishi, I will not by a TRITON/L200 any more !!!

The Navara is a great ute for so many of us who don't carry a ton of cement around on a daily basis. Some of us cary a few hundred kgs of muddy outdoor gear, drive off road, don't dable as a weekend warrior builder and like the comfort of springs. I find the motor very reliable. If I were a builder again I favour a van as far superior option. I guess having a very thick cushioned seat was an option for the Mitsi

From what I’m lead to believe, the next Triton will not simply be a rebodied current generation Navara. Mitsubishi Motors Corporation is supposedly responsible for the development of the alliances next generation ladder frame chassis that will sit under both the Triton first and later the next gen Navara. There has also been confirmation Pajero Spot will see a successor roughly 1 year after the launch of the new Triton on the new platform. Super Select is also not going anywhere. Some of the guesswork in this video is not going to age well…..

John your point about adaptive cruise control is so very valid. I also bought a Triton of which we have conversed with by email re the fitted catch can it has. My 2019 ZR Corolla has adaptive cruise control and whilst it takes some time to get use to it does have some good safety feature I feel that is not something you should ever rely on as there is NO excuse for being off with the fairies whilst at the wheel. The fact it can and does slow you down and indeed stop the car does reduce the chances of an accident. Also when it comes to risk management I would rather be behind someone on a road and resist the male urge to overtake. Firstly it gives me a buffer and also it means I can observe the road conditions by what the car Infront is doing. I recently did a trip to Lightning Ridge via Coonabarabran and followed a mate, all I had to do was steer the car and let it do the rest. The only thing I don't like about adaptive cruise controller is if you are following a car and that is doing 90 and your car is set for 110 and you change lanes the stupid car takes off like a bat out of hell.

I love my 2015 Pajero Sport. Love it. The Pajero Sport has not missed a beat in six years of camping in the mountains and kids sport runs. Mitsubishi even contacted me this year and requested to buy it back, to onsell it to meet demand. With this news, I expect my next car will be a Toyota Fortuner.

So we are well and truely back in the 80s badge engineering phase again. It's gonna be interesting with all new Ranger/Amarok next year as well

Too good John, love your episodes of auto expertise and humour. Like yourself I own 2021 triton, my 4th Mitsubishi over 40 years of driving. This being my 2nd 4x4, had a new L 200 back in 1986, yes way back then. Even then the drive train was one of the best going around. Mitsubishi nz sold shit loads of these utes because they were plain and simple value for money got the job done and we’re better looking than it’s competition. Really happy with my triton like I was with my L 200 back in 1986…….” So long “ Triton……. An probably the beginning of the end for Mitsubishi down under

This would be the ideal time for Hyundia and Kia to launch their utes wouldnt it ?

Slightly obsessed with your videos mate. Ordered a GSR Triton (due for delivery in October... I hope) and have just been watching all your stuff cause you explain everything in such a good way and no frills. Keep up the great work

If Ssangyong gets saved, as it appears it will, should make the Musso be the best option under $50k?

Fuck me I really hope its the other way around looks like I'll need to buy the new ute sooner than later. To be fair I'll buy a LDV before I touch a nissan in drag

Well, what do expect. It all started when we forgot the difference between a ute and a truck. Talk about dogs and cats living together.

I have Triton and wanted another one. I think I am going to be terribly disappointed

As mentioned keep Triton phase out Navara and give the Patrol Super select both those vehicles win.

Good report as always. I`d hate to see Mitsubishi go down hill. So glad that I bought my new Pajero Sport last month. Awesome car. And that adaptive cruise control, amazingly awesome as well.

Are you sure about this? Everything I’ve read about this situation is yes they will be a shared platform but the Navara will be based off the Triton not the other way around. Nissan sold around 6000 utes last financial year Mitsubishi sold around 12,000. It would make absolutely zero sense to use the platform of the lesser selling vehicle.

Decades to build the Triton name , 1 year to wipe it out , literally wipes out 1 of the two utes you'd buy for long term ownership , this will have the complete opposite effect of the BT and D max relationship.

R. I. P. Triton

maybe not John, the last real info was that Triton would retain Super Select II transfer case and Navara would also adopt it, the main key here is engine, I agree that the Renault sourced twin turbo diesel (same size VGT) 2.3L with the 7-speed torque converter is not a good combo that said neither is Mitsubishi lag infested (under 2,500rpm) 2.4L turbo diesel and 6-speed torque converter, the manuals are different in that drivers can select what gear they want provided engine has enough torque to pull the gear ratio. The other key here is that Navara will go back to leaf springs from all reports and stay with hydraulic (speed sent vie) steering (which is a positive) with a faster on-center ratio to improve response similar to the current Triton. Personally neither will be anywhere near the Ranger or the (duck) Hilux and the Chinese can only compete on price and that can only take them so far.

So it’ll still have a Mitsubishi logo as strong brand identity. Constant 4wd is the only way to go IMO, once you’ve drive one for a while you’ll know what I’m talking about, so much grip in slippery conditions.

Maybe Mitsubishi could sell the Super-Select tech to Isuzu to include into the DMAX/MUX, then they might be worth some serious consideration.

In the PHL, the next gen navara and terra will be on top of a mitsu platform. Maybe its the other way around? The np300 will be a rebadged triton.

I'm guessing Mitsubishi will be 'adjusting' their 10 year 160,000km warranty in NZ.

As you say John, sad. My son is still running a 2004 Magna AWD with the odometer somewhere north of 300,000 km. Brilliant car, the Australian public just didn't appreciate what a bargain it was compared to Holden and Ford. Bean counters are presenting the Australian public with yet another vehicle turd. As Paul Keating says, you can't polish a turd. Never mind, Mitsu/Nissan/ Renault will probably lay on a few extra ming molls in the showrooms.

I like the current Navara. A few mates have them and they are great utes they have been very reliable and much more comfortable than my current model hilux and cheaper to boot. I would have bought one if toyota resale didn't make mote sense financially.

Glad I got an MR Triton. RIP Mitsubishi

Im really looking forward to you getting under the new Triton and really give an in depth review of the vehicle

What's wrong with the Navara? we have had a pair of np300 series 3 in the fleet for the last 3 yrs and they tow 2 ton trailers every day except weekends .......we just ordered some more, is this a mistake? we have had a great run with them.

I've got an 03 Navara D22, it's the best thing I ever bought. I got it at 270000 and clocked up 100000km and it still runs like the day I bought it. It's done Cape York, and many more camping trips since then. I thought a TD42 Patrol was a better option, it didn't even survive one Cape York trip,, it destroyed a coolant hose against the aircon pulley and didn't show up on the temp gauge. Needless to say I've now got a bill that's more than what I bought the Navara for 🤔

Renault twin turbo diesel engine sounds like the stuff of nightmares, considering they cant even get their Formula 1 engine right and that is with a $272 Million F1 budget...

The 2022 Mazda BT50 is nibbling at my ear as I watch this, I prefer the outcome of the inter species breeding which took place there.

Super Select was one of the best things on Wet roads... And even more when towing

I read that article and took it the opposite way. I took it that Nissan were copying Mitsubishi rather than the other way round...

It’s such a shame that the big corporate paid media outlets rubbish the Mitsubishi products so badly, all Mitsubishi products are typically superior in many aspects, safety introduction, advanced engineering in body type design, suspension design so on.

What do you think will happen to Pajero Sport?

Thank fuck Mitsubishi is now the leader and Nissan the follower.

Slippery When Wet 1 - Fat Cave Drive Way 2 - Great Name for a Rock Band 3 - Ming Moll Modeling Agency Just did a 12 day trip in the Western US (sans Mobile Aluminum Poo Palace) and got a Mitsubishi Outlander Sport (Maybe called the Mitsubish ASX in your corner of the world) The only good things to say about it was it held my and Red Devil Two's luggage. (Second Wife, Redhead!) Also, the AC was ice cold in the 117 degree F temps. The downside is the 2.0/CVT struggled at elevations over 10k feet/3000m and it was cheaply put together. Of course, it was a rental, so you don't get the top of the range offering from Avis. But still, seems the only ones we saw were rentals as you could easily see the bar codes for easy check in/out at the rental booth. Mitsubishi used to have a competitive line up. Seems here in 'Merica, not much on offer and none of it is class leading. How much longer will Mitsubishi remain in the US/North American Market?

The button plan of the 21st century

Point at 13:30, Nissan do have a Navara spin-off wagon called the Terra.

One of the things that I do have to ask is that while the new Triton will have the same platform, engines, etc with the Navara, its important to note that no one mentioned which parts were used. The new twins could very well carry over the good bits of the Triton, which will be good news for new Navara owners OR as John implies here, they could carry over the Navara bits; which means bad news for new Triton owners. The question is... what bits are being used? Those are still uncertain until you get a new Triton in your hands for a test.

Mercedes Benz Navara didn’t work, why would a Mitsubishi Navara work?

I’ve have an ST Navara now for 3 years and it’s been great so far. Capable off road or lugging shit around. Can’t say the same about my mates with other brand utes..2 with Dmsx’s both have had turbo and gearbox problems after less than 2 years old. Good and bad points with all utes. Navara sales are probably down because they get smashed by all motoring journalists who hate Nissan and put people off buying them.,Anyone I know with a D23 loves it.

Well, it will boost the sales of the Dmax...

Nissan needs Mitsu more than the other way round. After all, Mitsubishi Industries build planes, ships, oil rigs and advanced manufacturing equipment. A bit like Kawasaki.

Y62 patrol 7 speeds gearbox with Mitsubishi super select transfer case would be nice.

Looks like I’m keeping the MQ

Just tragic. Outright tragic. Poor Mitsubishi, sunken so low.

Wow. ML Triton owner here from new in 2007, still going strong touch wood.

So ranger is amarok and l200 is navara, little variety in the electric push. Added to this mitsi is piling out of UK and navara won’t be replaced in UK.

Mercedes seemed happy to take the Navara and stick "Merc" badges on it and double the price with slightly different interior and lights etc. Perhaps Mitsy will get away with it also, who knows eh.

Hasn't recent Nissan been crap!? The Mitsubishi Triton has been a good car hasn't it?

After deep thoughts. I remember Gough Whitlam, wanted one car one truck and one Locomotive. To do multiple tasks. So out comes a Suzuki called a Holden Drover, Holden Commodore called Lexans.

I own a 2020 Navara. I'd prefer to see a Tritonification of the Navara.

Well at least triton will get a longer wheelbase and a better ride. Unfortunately that ride will be on the back of a tow truck.

Very disappointing. At least I can feel pleased that having placed an order for a new Triton about 2 weeks ago, I'll end up with the best of them.

Well no more bent Triton chassis, must be a improvement.

Literally the only ute I'm interested in is the Triton due to the extra interior space for tall people and superselect/2 without superselect and with the Navara cabin... It's written off the next Triton for me :(

R.I.P Mitsubishi

What is it with this Navara shit box that other auto manufacturers want to jump into bed with it. Mercedes tried with it..and got screwed over good and proper, then buried it in little under 4 years. I thought Mitsubishi would have seen what became of the Mercedes & Nissan collaboration.

Just wanted to add that pathfinder that’s identical to navara d40 also has transfer case with 4h centre unlocked. Mitsi is not the only one

Looks like the new Ute is an Isuzu d max

Wasn’t the story doing the rounds 12 - 18 months ago and pumped to bursting point by the Mitsubishi’s Trevor Mann that the next Navara would be a simple reskin of the Triton? The opposite of this latest version? Or is it the opposite? Is it all more or less the same thing, just spun in different directions?

Wow! Just like a Triton but with a Nissan/Renault engine and a Jatco transmission? Park it up next to my Lexcen!

I own Triton 3.2 4m41 (2010) and Triton 2.4 (2021). A satisfied owner and user so far

So what about all the other Mitsubishi vehicles. Are they all going to be Nissan’s as well? Like Outlander?

LDVs new t60 has full time 4x4

Hope their new ute meets that "benchmark" 3.5t towing. Flogs.

The only reason the Triton sells more or is better value, or because of the price, if they were identically priced, you would have to buy a navara, yes they do have some oil leak concerns, but apart from that, they blow Triton out of the water imo. Offroading, comfort, engine performance etc

Why? Why? Why? A year ago I bought a Pajero Sport, because it's a bit like a Triton, but with a station wagon body fitted. I don't know about the Triton, but I really love my Pajero Sport! I concur with John, if you're thinking about buying a Triton, get one before it's Nissantified.

Thanks John for sad news. However, if they were smart they should maintain the Triton power train with the magic transfer case. That would be a solid sales argument against the opposition. But.. maybe they are not that smart??

Triton the only ute you can drive in 4wd without ripping the drive train out of it. Loved that option when it was pi$$ing down rain, I drive a Narvara for work and hate not being able to select high 4 when it's raining especially through round abouts. Sold the triton and replaced it with a Q7. Now I just let the quattro system take care of it.🤷‍♂️