Hey TJ3 can you do the Story of Pappy Boyington like you did on Jeremiah O'Keefe

I've been using RIDGE wallets for years. I will not go back to a regular wallet ever again. They have a free lifetime warranty. When my elastic wore out. they sent me a new set no questions asked. Awesome. As for your channel here. Love it. Keep up the good work

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lol You take great pains not to stoke the fires of the conspiracy theory that the aircraft carriers were intentionally away

the incident with Cornelia was depicted in the film "Tora, Tora, Tora".....

And President Roosevelt's personal cruiser USS Indianapolis.

Where you able to shoot down any Zeros?

You Sir - are the son of a Hero

It would be surreal to be transported back to 1941 and get pounced on by the Zeros.

I was a C-5 Mechanic stationed at Hickam AFB. From Sept. 92-Feb 98. I was able to hike in the mountains where the Japanese fighters came through the valley it was Erie just thinking they flew right through there and destroy take a mirror Field I was for men and navy Pearl Harbor Harbor.

Yeap. But faces of those Japaneese pilots in Kate is really strange :) I belive that they easily could tell the True story. Great vid, both this piece and Tora Tora Best of all

His narrative about Cornelia isn't 100%, she wasn't training pilots when she was killed, she was ferrying a newly manufactured plane from California to wherever it was going to and had a couple of newly minted pilots right out of training flying along with her ferrying 2 other planes, I believe they were going to the same place the planes were and their flight school they'd just graduated from was nearby where the planes were produced, the military was doing things like that as a way of cutting down on the need for ferrying pilots. Somewhere over Texas the one young flight officer was trying to fly in a tighter formation than his experience allowed and he bumped into her causing her to crash. She was young to, she was only like 23 or something and very pretty.

same with the b 17s

@@dukecraig2402 Cornelia Fort was an amazing human being. It's so tragic that she died in the way she did. That inexperienced pilot should have kept his distance.

@@robertsandberg2246 Yea. Here's a shocker for you, ⅓rd of all the losses suffered by the 8th Air Force in WW2 were accidents, which includes mechanical failures not just someone screwing up flying. It's ironic that just a little while back when I was talking to my mother about her cousin that was killed in the war that was a navigator on a B24 and was shot down I was telling her about how ⅓rd of the guys died from accidents and about how one way or the other flying those planes was a dangerous business, the very next day that accident happened in Dallas.

Thank-you to your dad for his service.

On 7th December 1941 my dad was on board USS Westpoint troop transport in Capetown taking British troops to Basra

All must realize the blood from the attack on Pearl Harbor was - is and always will be on FDR so he'd gain an excuse to enter the War in Europe on behalf of his Globalist partner Winston Churchill....for the Japanese Military Code had been broken months prior...! NOTHING taught is the whole truth in U.S. Education for that has been ommitted well over 100yrs ago esp as since the 1920's: - realize JOHN DEWEY [father of Modern American education] was the author of the then implemented Soviet Ed. system who went there to see it in operation in the 1920's [yes met with Stalin]...! THEN he exclaimed it "the superior system" & "to be implemented in the USA" Also understand Dewey was a card carrying Communist as were a great many of FDR's cabinet and advisors...! This is seriously no joke for WE have been totally lied to for over a 100yrs esp by massive ommissions YET Americans very sadly remain the "sleeping giant" and time IS running out for America is about to be forced into the WEF's "Great ReSet" to buy & sell by number but only by those taking "THE MARK".....just as prophecied to us by Christ as seen in His "REVELATION" to John on Patmos...!

THANK YOU TO ALL AMERICA'S ARMED FORCES LOST THAT FATEFUL DAY AT PEARL AS WELL AS D-DAY AS AN INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL NATION TRULY, DULY OWES YOU ALL A DEBT OF GRATITUDE THAT WE WILL NEVER EVER, TRULY BE ABLE TO REPAY! WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR SERVICES AND ULTIMATE SACRIFICES LAID UPON THE ALTER OF LIFE FOR YOUR COUNTRY.... ✌️❤️🗽🇺🇲🙏

@@paulinecabbed1271 I thank you that's an interesting contribution showing that we were already helping what would become the Allies force against the Nazis.

and unlike civilian aircraft the Submarine was armed with a mission….

You contradict yourself. Entering into territorial waters of an opposing state without permission would be a hostile act. At least as far as I'm concerned.

@@jonyemm You are wrong. The Japanese had NOT yet declared war against The United States. So Mr. Bremer is correct.

@@MarcPiery when did I say anything about them declaring war on the US? I said opposing. We weren't allies nor were both countries even neutral. So I am not wrong. They took an armed submarine into the territorial waters of an OPPOSING state. They were not innocently passing through. Words have meanings/definitions and they matter.

@@jonyemm The U.S. Naval ships would have had the same authority if it were a Japanese fishing vessel. And at the time of the incident, the submarine’s origin had not been identified, so it was not known if it were from an “opposing nation.” It was an unidentified submarine that did not respond to queries or commands. And yes, words have meanings and definitions. And yes, they do matter. So be careful about what you write. Unless you are purposefully trolling someone, or some subject. The Japanese had intent. True. BUT! The American destroyer had no idea who the submarine belonged to, so it logically did NOT know that it was firing on an opposing nation. The destroyer crew just carried out its duty to keep the territorial waters safe and the harbor mouth clear for normal traffic.

I.met a guy from Belgium. His town was over run by Germany early in WW1 he joined the French infantry and spent the war in the trenches lost his entire family . When WW2 broke out his town was bombed and his wife and kids were killed . He made it to the coast and signed on to a shop . 7 ship he was on were sunk . The last ship was a us navy ship and he stayed on after the war. Finally moving to the merchant fleet untill he was too loud to sail . Bave men for sure

Thank you for sharing especially about a man who is part of the greatest generation.

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@@erichvonmanstein6876 ???? May I ask why your comment and what it means? I've been fortunate to meet multiple medal of Honor winners. One of them lied to get into the Navy was stationed on the Arizona but for him he was fortunate he is on shore leave. And he finished the warmth of the Pacific at the end he was serving on a tinder ship for the USS Missouri at the time they signed the surrender. I think is in San Francisco 1952 when the official treaty was signed. Another man he from WWII as well and it's been a number of years ago but he was commissioned by three maybe four presidents to speak to elementary students about Pearl harbor and world War II. Commission meaning he was paid by the government to do this. His story is quite motivational. I know right down the line. But let's just finish up with a buddy of mine he came back in so that his latest child who was yet-to-be-born could have a better life. I was just there today that his widow receive that folded flag and condolences. He never met his boy. He never knew he was having a boy. Just a child he did not no male or female. So I have the greatest respect especially for the greatest generation so we're not speaking Russian German or Japanese as an official language. You say the Russians were on our side. No just the enemy of my enemy is my Ally. Just like bin laden was our Ally when he was in Afghanistan fighting against the Russians when they were pushed out. I've straightener flags for young Marine. Yes he was in the crew of the last ones to be killed in Afghanistan. Someone honked their horn and said thank you. My immediate reply without thought was don't thank me thank the young man. All I am doing is honoring him. But thank you for the thought. So when I see the emoji rolling its eyes because I complimented someone whose father or grandfather was part of the greatest generation. I simply think of what my friend said. He was reflecting upon the flag burners and people of that persuasion. We're fighting for them to have the right to do it. I said his daughter right it's a privilege and ill gotten privilege. He smiled and nodded his head. I rank the rolling 👁️ right in there with the flag burners. Because it is in response to me complementing and thanking the survivors of the greatest generation. Hey if the greatest generation did not come home then a lot of us would not be here. I'm so thankful President Truman did the right thing and drop those two bombs. It was the most honorable decision he could have made.

@@walterdavis4808 thank you for sharing that fantastic story. You need to share that with somebody to make a film of this man's life!!! Anyone other things you mentioned would be horrible to go through but you put them all together just no words to describe.

Go Angry Sister.

Dad was there. US Navy. Fought in all the major battles in the Pacific. He told me of the aftermath: open caskets were on the piers. Officers with clipboards had a list of boxes to tick. Head, check; two arms, check... body parts checklist. When all the boxes were ticked, casket closed and replaced by another. It didn’t matter if tatters of Navy, Army or Marine clothing were mixed. Or had nothing. Some family stateside would have closure. He rarely talked about his combat experiences.

@@PSDuck216 My Uncle launched PBYs and, well, Ducks from a pre-war seaplane tender. Got 'lucky' in all the major battles; until Okinawa, when their sister ship detonated from a kamikaze. If you had someone who was 'there'(and you could get them to talk), WW2 lost any romanticism at an early age.

Posting on December 7th ,✝️❤️✝️ rest in peace Brave sailors soldiers Marines and airmen ‼️🙏

Not all of the BB's were in that status on the morning of December 7th. USS Oklahoma was prepared for inspection with all hatches undogged including those between the lowest deck and the watertight 'tank top' spaces beneath, which is indeed why it capsized so quickly. The other BB's were in varying states of watertight as well as munition integrity and accessibility. USS Pennsylvania, purely by its unique circumstance, was perhaps the best prepared in respect of its vulnerability as its ammunition had all been removed in keeping with standard drydocking procedure. Luck most certainly played a significant part, however the Japanese plan was itself fundamentally flawed in many respects. Mark E Stille authored an excellent forensic analysis of the attack's deficiencies in his book 'Tora, Tora, Tora' from the Osprey 'Raid' collection, this is most definitely worth reading.

Thanks!

Go on Cornelia. You can see why she had the hump after being strafed.

Plus the female pilot, but not the other two prior to the attack. Still the best movie imo.

One of many items that "History" ...( like that is a person or a God,) forgot, and yet so many of us already knew.

@@donofon101 A "person of god"? What exactly does that even mean?

@@fredflintstone3956 A typo Person OR GOD oooops

We won't. CVN 81 will be named for him. A decision I was initially against because of Miller's lack of naval aviation pedigree. However, I have reconsidered due to the fact that the attack being repelled was an air attack by carrier forces. His bravery and dedication were never in question.

Meanwhile the people who died at their posts are lost we prop up this guy while people jumping on AA guns happened all the time.

@@michaelmappin4425 It's so fortunate that you reconsidered Grand Admiral Coffee Table, you being the person with the authority to give consent to this proposal. I'm sure Miller's family will be forever indebted to your great magnanimity and generosity of spirit lol

@Harry Ricochet Right on! About time y'all respect my authority. I was runner up for the Trump Administration for SECNAV. He just didn't know.

@@michaelmappin4425 Lol I think some kid named Eric Cartman once said the same thing (about authoritah that is, not the Trump thing lol)

Fuchida was also at Midway...but only as a spectator....

@@frankpienkosky5688 Why a spectator?

@@brianjob3018 He was diagnosed with and had emergency surgery for appendicitis in the days directly before the Japanese commenced their attack. Lt Joichi Tomanaga his replacement, was killed in the battle. Fuchida was on the bridge of Akagi when it was sunk, breaking both ankles when he was fell from a rope that was being used to escape from there as the ship sank. He converted to Christianity after the war becoming an ordained Baptist Minister.

@@harryricochet8134 l thank you.

@@brianjob3018 Always welcome my friend. After some 40 years, the late Gordon W Prange's 'At Dawn We Slept' is still universally peer-recognised as the empirical masterpiece in telling the entire story of the planning, execution and outcome of the attack, it's definitely worth reading and keeping as a go-to reference source. Stay safe and blessed there always.

Unfortunately Gaijin is too lazy (or maybe just a hassle) to model correct period sailor uniform for every ship model ingame, hence you could find Type 90 helmet worn by post-war Japanese sailor and Stahlhelm worn by post-war German navies EDIT: in the next update, Gaijin is going to give post-war vessels correct crew uniform, but I don't think Interwar and early war era ships going to get the same treatment

yeah...war sims tend to be about the war, not the first day of the war. it'd be nice to have a B-17D or two as well, but your average gamer wouldn't know it from a pterodactyl. we do see a P-36 and a B-18 as NPCs, strictly there to get blown up (a few P-36s managed to get in the fight and even kill a few attackers).

I always been curious as to why the TBD Devastor didn't fly as well with the SBD.

@@johnwayne6501 I think it's probably because of the fact that the sbds were used as scouts before they left for the base

What branch of the military did you serve in , and for how many years and what was your rank the time of discharge❓❓❓ Where U there ❓❓❓ we think not ‼️ I'm a former Lancer combat co pilot, that served on board a AH 1 cobra attack helicopters, the pilot's job was to get me there, my job was to destroy the target 🎯 if you've never flown a combat mission keep your opinion to yourself pal , and for you to make a sick Friggin joke like that ‼️ calling it just in coincidental , I find it completely appalling♦️♦️♦️‼️

@@davidstaudohar6733 IF this was addressed to me: 1. I never claimed to have served, and in fact did not; 2. my post did not have anything other than serious comments, i.e. no "jokes"; 3. the factual information in my post is not obscure or little known; I first read of those facts in Edward P. Stafford's 1962 book "The Big E".

@@davidstaudohar6733 Lancer as in B-1B? Also, dude, you need to chill. If replying to the OP, he stated factual information that in no way was satirical or in a joking manner.

" If the fleet would have had the advanced warning, chances are they would have been out to sea." The fleet had two weeks advanced warning..( From an australian military outpost in Papua Guinea ) FDR ordered the fleet stay in Pearl Harbor against the express concerns of the Navel academy. FDR wanted in and needed a few thousand deaths to excite patriotism.

Thanks!

the US Navy never realized the Japanese had modified their air-launched torpedoes to function in the shallow waters of Pearl Harbor....

Admiral Nagumo was chastised by Yamamoto for not finishing the job

The third wave would have given more time for the U.S. Navy’s PBYs to find them. The Japanese planes came in from the East, so that they could be confused for the American B-17s. The Japanese KNEW about the B-17 flight as they had an extensive spy network in The U.S. and Hawaii. By the time of a third wave, which would be AFTER the B-17s arrived, they would have tried to save fuel, and come in directly, giving a hint of where to look. The PBY had an enormous range (during the war, it routinely flew non-stop between Adelaide, Australia and Columbo, Sri Lanka), and would easily ferret out the location of the Japanese fleet. Then the American carrier fleet would have engaged them directly, and they would likely have lost much of their carrier fleet. They ran for a reason.

@@MarcPiery I agree there are other factors that were being considered by Nagumo . I do know that Fuchida was reassigned to a backwater post and taken off regular flying status for the rest of the war

@@briannelson4493 Rubbish. For his actions at Pearl Harbor Fuchida was promoted, received the singular honour of an audience with the Emperor, elevated to the status of a cult hero by the Japanese public and then continued in his role of Commander of the Kido Butai. He was removed from flight status directly prior to the Battle of Midway due to emergency surgery for appendicitis and only narrowly survived the sinking of HIJMS Akagi when he sustained two broken ankles. Due to this close call and primarily his existing cult status, it was considered to be too great a risk to national morale to allow him to continue to serve in a front-line formation, so he was given command of a domestically located IJN training unit. Aside from during the abovementioned medical crisis, he was never removed from flight status. Fuchida's final footnote in WW2 history was on the day of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima when he managed to successfully fly a surviving Japanese Navy training aircraft that had been longitudinally bent like a banana by the bomb's precursor wave to conduct a BDA shortly after the attack. After Pearl Harbor Fuchida assumed a similar status to that later achieved by Neil Armstrong who was also told by NASA that he could never again be permitted to fly into space after becoming the first man to set foot upon the moon, however in Fuchida's case this realisation only came subsequent to the extraordinary defeat at Midway.

That was after Midway.

And in Tora Tora Tora! (I think) one of the B-17Gs landing gear has failed while filming. However, the footage was still used.

And, as they were being ferried, they did NOT carry any bombs or have any of its guns installed. They minimized weight to maximize range.

Fyi guys the b-17 flying into pearl harbor, were the first run b-17 bombers. The a b, c,d, e, ,f,and g series of the b-17 bombers would come later in the war🙄🤨

@@edwinarnold4865 Rubbish, they were the first of the 'E' series aircraft sent to the Pacific Command. There was only a single 'A' series aircraft ever built, the 'B' and 'C' series were only produced in limited numbers both due to budgetary limitations and the fact that the B-17 was still viewed by the USAAF as in development rather than operationally ready. Its first combat use was with the RAF which experienced underwhelming results both due to ongoing teething issues and the mode of its deployment. The 'D' series was the first of the truly operationally capable B-17 series supplied and deployed in significant numbers outside of the domestic US. The aircraft that were flown to Pearl Harbor were all of the 'E' series. All 'A', 'B', 'C', and 'D' series aircraft had an entirely different tail design to the subsequent series as can be seen in all photographs of the B-17's that arrived in Hawaii on December 7th 1941.

​12 service test planes designated YB-17 entered service in 1937. A 13th, the B-17A, was an engineering test airframe. They served stateside, made many famous publicity flights, and eventually were sent to training bases. All were stricken and scrapped by 1943. Production B-17B-C-Ds arrived in 1939-'40, incrementally improved thru USAAC experience. B-models followed the Y-models to training bases as newer planes arrived. C-models went to the RAF thru Lend-Lease or were converted to Ds in US service. These were the first B-17s to see combat. The drastically redesigned B-17E was a response to the C-models' failures in RAF high-altitude raids during 1941. The slender "shark" fin made them too unstable for accurate bombing, and their gunnery was inadequate. Models F and G made up almost all of the B-17s in the ETO, where most served. By the time the B-17G was designed, it is said that the only parts of the original YB-17 that were interchangeable were the tires.

This information was actually known to high-ranking US military and government officials because they had decrypted Japanese military communications months before the attack, and they kept it from those radar operators and their officers. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor served as a valid reason for Americans to enter WW2 because after the Spaniards, the Japanese empire was the next one to challenge American hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. I wish I could post the true reasons why Japans military decided to do a first strike on America but this comment may not be posted by KZfaq. One thing I can tell you is that we are actually witnessing a similar tactic imposed by the West on their adversaries.

@@dead_on_departure I have studied the attack for several decades. No where has it ever been proven they knew in advance that it would be Pearl. Some guessed it. That is why a week before they were on alert. Nothing concrete on location of the attack. As far as Russia they wanted a war they got it.

It was an honor to help

Thanks for clarifying. Having flown a Super Cub on floats, that drives that previously unknown story deeper home for me.

Great job

Cornelia Fort’s plane was not destroyed on Dec 7. It is currently in Burlington Washington. It’s an Interstate Cadet. Same general shape as a Cub.

@@jaesbow Cool! I live in western Washington, and know Burlington fairly well. I'll have to see if I can find it sometime.

Third wave should have gone to take out those fuel farms and harbor facilities (including the sub pens). Fourth wave was the invasion which would have sent the carriers to the West Coast and prevented any chance of a Midway.

the Japanese strike force...and for that matter, their entire navy...was a finite resource....they knew they could never replace losses the way that we could...so risking them unnecessarily was frowned upon....

@@frankpienkosky5688 It was a now or never situation. Knocking the Americans back to their shore would have given them time to rebuild any loses.

Not hitting the fuel farms was one key omission which they paid heavily for. If they had been hit, there would be no fuel when the aircraft carriers did return making the future battle at midway impossible, requiring them to get fuel from the west coast thousands of miles further away.

Fun fact: That is 100% bullshit.

here come the conspiracy nuts

@@brucetucker4847 Oh, you were there.??? LOL.

@@marblox9300 No, but I guarantee I've read far more about it than you have from people who were there. Particularly about code breaking, which most people don't understand very well.

@@brucetucker4847 So if you read the U.S.propaganda I guess that means it's true.

Thank you Draft dodgers who went to Canada during Vietnam rather then murder innocent people including children. You and the Monk who poured gasoline in front of the Newscameras and quietly burnt to death without moving were the real heroes of the Vietname war.

Please, can you cite the source of this information? Thank You.

Didn't they also have 1.1" guns, which were later replaced by 40mm Bofors?

What the hell was great about it. War is never great.

The submarines sunk very very few ships until the end of 1943.

@@stairgauge ...our torpedos were crap...the Japanese were excellent....

@@stairgauge Yes, but if the subs hadn't been able to patrol in the western Pacific for a year after Pearl, that might have meant another year before the Navy finally admitted it had a torpedo problem.

The Japanese pilots were probably unaware that the planes were unarmed. They were fully expecting the Americans to be waiting for them.

Thanks!

Thanks guys!

One of the problems of the new command center was that they had just installed the phone to the radar site, but the phones to the various operational squadrons were not. Even if the young Lieutenant wanted to warn anyone, the phones didn't work. What phones did work would have taken a very long time to get anyone who could sound the alarm.

@@johnemerson1363 and add, the fact that an American ship took combat action against what it claimed to be a midget sub WAS phoned in 30 minutes before the actual attack, and it was not believed !

@@EdSZiomek According to "Tora Tora Tora" The Navy Captain demanded confirmation and got it less than an hour later. Total confirmation was not to come until just a few years ago when a deep diving U of Hawaii submersible finally found the mini-sub with a 3 inch hone in the conning tower. The Captain was complacent and unwilling to stick his neck out and do something positive.

@@johnemerson1363 In the movie, the "confirmation" given to the captain was the exploding ships visible in the window. "You wanted confirmation? THERE'S your confirmation!"

@@brucetucker4847 Absolutely!

Very deep. Good job

​@@envisionCamusa I saw that situation in a docunentary maybe 10 or 15 years ago and I guess I must have been in a particularly emotional state at that moment, but when I heard that a lot of those young marines got stuck in there and survived for about 3 weeks it hit me and I lost it for a while, I had never heard that such a thing was even possible so even after all those years, sometimes when I read a book or watch a video about it, I get right back in there, hoping that if something survives after we die, they can feel something when I think about them like a warm hug or a little comforting. I don't be Thank you for your kind words. Cheers.

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You found that sequence funny? The woman takes the only logical course of action, i.e. escaping immediately, and you chuckle? Half-assed does apply here, but not to the film. I'm quite certain the director did not intend that as "comedy relief" but as a tribute to a little-known incident just before the actual attack. "Tora Tora Tora" erred in representing Cornelia West's plane being overtaken from behind when in fact her flight log says she encountered the Japanese formation head-on. Being unable to identify the nationality of the on-coming formation, she dove away to avoid a collision. It was only later when her airport was attacked that West realized she had had a brush with the Imperial Japanese Naval Air Service. In the film, representing the situation differently -- being overtaken and surrounded by the enemy -- allows the character based on Cornelia West to see the Japanese national markings and realize the danger more quickly (and dramatically) than was the actual case.

I was raised one block from Cornelia Fort Airport in Nashville.

you cant be cool on youtube unless the person uses abbreviations to confuse people to show their great knowledge

So basically Greg youre stating that the attack on Pearl Harbor was a good thing for you?

@@JC-zv3cv spoken like a true troll. Pearl Harbor was a day that changed the course of many lives. History is not good or evil. It does need to be respected.

@@gearheadgregwi Actually Greg..i was taking the piss out of your comment because for some reason you felt the need to sharer about what your ancestors did. Pearl Harbor wasn't a day..it's a place. The attack on pearl harbor wasn't an event that changed many lives, the decisions leading up to allowing the attack on pearl harbor did that. One might assume that the loss of 3000 lives was worth it given FDR knew the attack was coming and ordered the fleet stay put contrary to the request of the Admiralty/Navel intelligence. Was it a tragedy? No more or less than any other tragedy..apparently the invasion of Poland and the undertaking of the holocaust, which America knew about wasn't a tragedy, at least not enough for America to get involved. Was the fire bombing of tokyo by US bombers armed and trained and even flown by US piolts in the sino japan war leading up to WW2 a tragedy? How about the two year blockade of Japan by the US prior to WW2 which led to the deaths of thousands of civilians through starvation and freezing to death?..perhaps only the lives of white americans mattered? 'History is not good or evil' is bullsheet, history tends to be written by the victors which is why the tragedy of the second attack on pearl harbor is what leads the majority of americans to think they were victims and consequently won WW2, a war that had been going on for 2 years prior to the US joining in, a war that the US joined pretty much after the British & their allies ..and the USSR had turned the tied against the nazis. I said the second attack on Pearl Harbor because of course, Hawaii was colonised against the wishes of the indigenous population..

@@JC-zv3cv interesting paper arguments that will never have an answer. My grandfather lost his brother at Anzio and grandfather landed at Normandy shortly after. Please take pot shots at that too.

History is written by scolars and politicians. It is lived by ordinary individuals put in extraordinary circumstances.

Incorrect. The confusion that resulted from the firing of the signal flares immediately prior to the first wave aircraft deploying to their attack altitudes related to the determining issue of whether or not surprise had been achieved. In the case that this had (two flares) the torpedo aircraft would be given priority and in the case that surprise was lost (one flare) the level and dive bombing aircraft would assume this priority to 'decoy' the anti-aircraft defences into firing at altitude to maximise the success of strafing runs by the fighters to attempt to suppress anti-aircraft defences and thereby afford the torpedo aircraft the greatest prospect of what was always viewed as a limited prospect of success regardless of whether or not surprise was achieved. The use of flares in this manner was surprisingly ill-conceived given much of the rest of the level of thought and redundancy that went into planning as it was fraught with danger that some or many of the aircraft may miss the two flare signal as indeed happened and resulted in a first wave attack that was a mix of both contingencies. At no time in either the first or second wave attack plans was any priority whatsoever given to attacking the tank farm or repair facilities. This in fact only ever became a matter of discussion after the war when Mitsuo Fuchida published his autobiography in which he claimed that upon his return to HIJMS Akagi, he had argued animatedly with Nagumo about launching a third wave dedicated to attacking the tank farm and repair facilities, a claim which was however strongly disputed by all others who were present on the bridge of HIJMS Akagi that day and had survived the war. Nagumo was proven to be a less than reliable custodian of history in recounting his experiences during the war with a consistent tendency to embellish his contributions.

My father was on a ship in dry dock during the attack ...that third wave would have damaged his ship but , praise God, it did not occur and he went on to become a pilot a rescue plane and came home.

@@harryricochet8134 I've read that if they had surprise that a number of the Dive Bombers would have attacked the Oil Tank Farms, and various important structures.

@@timengineman2nd714 My op dealt with that issue in great detail. First person source materials consistently show that there was no provision whatsoever within the attack plan for any bombing of the infrastructure. Fuchida's post-war claims that upon returning to the flagship he strongly advocated for such an attack in a third wave to Admiral Nagumo have been strongly refuted by every one of his colleagues in attendance who survived the war. The universally peer recognised best historical work on the attack the late Gordon W Prange's 'At Dawn We Slept' exhaustively addresses the issues of deficiency which led to the confusion which resulted from the use of the flare signal in order to inform aircrews of the attacking aircraft as to whether or not surprise had been achieved and the deficiencies of the failure to attack any infrastructure targets. Additionally, Jim Laurier's 'Pearl Harbor' gives a detailed schematic which provides the designated target of every single sub-group of both attack waves. No aircraft were tasked with attacks upon any infrastructure or the tank farms under either of the two alternate circumstances the plan accommodated, these being determined by whether or not surprise had been achieved. In addition to the above, the success of any dedicated attack upon infrastructure would have relied upon the type of bombs utilised which would have been different to those which were used against those targets that were designated. US Navy Cmdr Mark E Stille (Retd) compiled an excellent analysis of the myriad of flaws in the attack plan as well as its results within his book 'Tora, Tora, Tora! Pearl Harbor 1941' which also deals with these issues in great detail. Each of these books rely solely upon first person source materials and have been extensively peer-reviewed. I don't know what book you read that claim in, but it is completely without any foundation within the first-person source materials required to afford it any credibility. Someone could write a book claiming that the Earth was flat, however without any empirical foundation it isn't worth the paper it wastes to make such a spurious and utterly absurd claim.

their action probably saved the USS Pennsylvania too.

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TJ3 well done

Possible but highly unlikely. The torpedoes the mini subs were equipped with contained a considerably larger warhead than the aerial torpedoes carried by the Kidu Butai aircraft and the exhaustive post attack analysis didn't reveal any damage consistent with a midget sub torpedo to any ship or shore location.

@@harryricochet8134 The torpedo may not have gone off - if it didn't hit a ship it might have just buried itself harmlessly in the mud. I recall seeing a story in Naval History magazine several decades ago that analyzed a photo that might have captured the splashes made by the mini-sub's propeller breaking the surface after the torpedo launch at a shallow depth caused the sub to rock along its pitch axis due to the sudden change in weight distribution. They concluded that it probably was a mini-sub.

@@brucetucker4847 That's quite possible, I've read articles about that photographic analysis and seen a documentary about it as well which hypothesised that it depicts a midget sub's propellor throwing out a 'rooster tail' as a result of it porpoising due to the sudden alteration in trim induced by firing a torpedo. However, I think the weakness of that theory is that for it to have missed its very near target, which appears from the picture to be USS Arizona, the torpedo would have had to have run deep which given the shallowness of the harbor would've meant that it must've passed through a space of a matter of feet below the USS Arizona's keel and the harbor floor. As you'd be aware, examination of USS Arizona's hull has shown that it definitely didn't get hit by any torpedoes either aerial or otherwise. Additionally, if it did miss either due to running deep or wide of its intended target it's highly likely, given its size, to have been found along the shore of Ford Island either directly after the attack or in the years since. At least one aerial torpedo was in fact recovered a couple of decades ago in that location. The documentary actually contained an interview with a surviving member of the crew of USS Vestal which was moored outboard of USS Arizona at the time of the attack and he was absolutely adamant that he had seen a midget sub fire a torpedo in the exact manner that was hypothesised. When the final midget sub was located just outside the harbor entrance a few years back, both its tubes were empty but it appeared to have actually been dumped there along with a lot of the debris that was collected after the West Loch disaster in 1944, so its torpedoes may have been removed then or indeed fired during the attack before the midget sub was then scuttled by its crew in West Loch. The Ko-Hyoteki midget subs definitely had a defect as a torpedo firing platform, due to the abovementioned porpoising with this notably occurring again in the attack on Sydney Harbour when it resulted in a torpedo aimed at USS Chicago by midget sub M-24 running deep and then detonating beneath HMAS Kuttabul a decommissioned ferry used as a depot ship. The second torpedo from this same midget sub, which was again observed to have caused this porpoising effect, ran aground without detonating at Garden Island Naval Base. So this incident really doesn't offer any substantiation for either theory other than that one is just as possible as the other.

@@harryricochet8134 There is speculation on the subs entering Pearl on that day, there is photo evidence of what appears to be a sub launched torpedo in the harbor during the attack, one which would have hit the Oklahoma... All five subs have been accounted for and two of them were in the harbor....

@@harryricochet8134 it did get in and launch..pbs had a show about it..

I believe a couple of civilians were killed in Honolulu, quite a ways away.

More than a couple. I believe 60-80 civilians were killed by AA shells falling on Honolulu and roads leading into Pearl Harbor.

I don't think he does fiction.

After the Iraq war and later coming to terms that it was all based on lies. This current American generation asked what others wars were also based on lies. WW11 was not about the lie of “ Saving the World “. It was about World Domination. Carpet Bombing Europe and Japani ( and Atomic bombs ) into rubble is a War Crime.