Maginot Line technically covered ardennes, but it was weaker there and had relatively unexperienced garrison.* *Totally not insert Director Krennic

OMFG

Into Paris not London

Paris in France. If Maginot Line is France, Germany can't get Paris. Because it' going around the maginot line. Probably using the English channel to do it.

Old Memes They can't pass through, true. But they can use Dave to capture all the cities

French AI has 16x the detail of an actual historical accuracy ans 4x the size of the real France

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I thought you only played Kaiserreich

atlantickwall

but there are forts on the coast

Germany: *Attacks Britain with Largest Navy and takes over all of Africa* French: *FUCK*

I guess

Looking at where France held in the fails and pushed in the final game, it is this. France so is trying to defend territories in Europe, Africa, the Middle East and south east Asia. Not only does this make them split their force, but the lines changing on these fronts causes the ai to reorganize its lines, pulling troops from Europe usually to head to one of the other places. This is why there suddenly is a breach and just complete fumble of their line of forts. The ai just straight up cannot handle the front lines against 3-5 different countries in Europe as well as several more across the world. The ai needs to be programmed to not reorganize a certain amount of infantry on the front line so they won’t pack up and leave a gap as they walk off to the other side of the globe.

@@DarkCrimsonBlade it's also necessary for the Axis Ai too have a solid shot a taking France, otherwise France would be incredibly though to crack open, hell as a quite mediocre player I can easily play the waiting game as france for years without the german italian and spanish making even a foothold inside my border. France is covered in moutain on all side, and the only place it isn't there are rivers, and two focus that put forts on two frontiers. Without a sucky French AI historical games wouldn't stay historical for long. You can also put the republicain spain in that bag of "crappy AI by design".

France literally had no troops on the maginot last game i had, just agressively walked througb the damn country

@@loupdeguerre well a crappy Republican Spain makes sense too since the forces fighting franco were pretty divided and would sometimes even fight each other

Uh I guess it’s to simulate the surprise of the French when Germany goes around Maginot and breaches through the Ardennes, but that’s just my guess

no. France just starts with basically no Military factories and troops that have no Equipment. "Always war" is an insta-loose for France, no matter what you give them in Terms of longterm buffs.

No. The vanilla ai is just bad at managing multiple fronts. And France has multiple fronts against strong enemies.

As a side note this theory isn't the most ridiculous as Britain is coded to not garrison benelux, help in France and take ostpreussen but I don't know of anything like this.

Shadow Wolf The ai tends to guard its own territories or those that have been occupied and given to them to control. Sometimes they do venture to distant front lines but less likely if they have to get there by sea (something to do with making sure the ai doesn't get its entire army sunk by enemy fleets?). It really isn't Britain that is coded to be this way. Hard to tell if I've ever seen an island nation or one from the Americas that sent non expeditionary non volunteer non naval invasion troops to France.

Enver Hoxha took over France in this video.

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Dank memes r Dank You didn’t end your comment with a period so I’ll add on to it: “... for absolutely nothing.”

They all died. Multiple times lol.

Rollu Kauppa you mean croissant

it's just because the only way to simulate france losing with the number of troups we had, if by hardwiring the AI to lose, because the french army brass(les gradés) at that time was laughable, like really when they saw the germans had lots of tanks tanks, they dictated that tank defence should be organised around blocking roads, ROADS !!! IT'S A FREAKING TANK, IT'S GOING TO DRIVE THROUGHT THE FOREST IF YOU BLOCK THE ROAD !!!)

historical accuarcy is important

​@@arthurborlet There also was the fact that in order to stay on belgium's good side we did not extend the maginot line further than what was done, so the blitzkrieg was basically : " Oh ? we can't go straight through ? we'll just go AROUND then!" Et pour la question à un million, comment s'appelait le sous-secrétaire d'état d'état à la guerre et à la défense qui voulait qu'on change de doctrine par rapport nottament aux tanks ? AH ! oui, charles de gaulle.

@@pierreollivier6714 Blitzkrieg probably still would've happened if the maginot was extended. The French army wasn't prepared at the time (and also not as compitent) so they probably still would've left the ardennes not really that defended (maybe because they would think it didn't need it or maybe they just don't have enough men for true defense because trying to fit your army through the entire Belgian / German-French border wouldn't be easy. Also most people would probably think that being conscripted to stay at a fort was pointless so less men. So Hitler might've ended up going through belgium and around the Maginot like in real life except it would take longer. But even if the Blitzkrieg didn't happen a French invasion would've probably happened He could've ordered an invasion of Belgium and used he could've used Italy , depending on if France built more forts on that border too. Maybe the French politcal parties would get angry due to conscription for forts and all the money that forts require and maybe a reveloution? Bascially France at the time was probably doomed to fail , African colonies , incompitence , politcal problems , German war machine and all that stuff isn't easy to handle and considering how long it took me to write out the scenarios where France still loses i think it's easy to see France could lose easily. France now or later in the war could maybe hold off against the Nazis but even now Democratic Germany is still a European power even though they lost and were punished in two major wars and suffered a split and they're even using the French-German steel thingy (i forgot the name) to gain even more power in Europe even though the main reason was to constrain Germany, but considering NATO and the UN exist a world war probably isn't gonna happen with Germany , so that's nice. Sorry for the long comment and i made a lot of assumtions about Germany and in a world where France can extend the Maginot they might be able to easily win against the Germans but i don't know. I also assumed Hitler wouldn't be smart enough to pull off a move so large as a mass invasion of Belgium and around the Maginot in Italy and a push through the ardennes

The amount of VPs in the North is not helping either. Yes, North is quite urbanized, but empty diagonal is just *too* empty in the game. Maybe take down a notch Paris and make more VPs in Lyon Marseilles Toulouse and this would prevent so fast capitulation.

Sometimes they didn't take all of it

26 + 6 = 1. Ireland will be united.

Hate to make it political but given how Hard Brexit is looking likely now, I’ll bet we’ll have a unified Ireland in a few years

@@JB-xl2jc i mean, does it matter?

@@JB-xl2jc ruled by Brussels?

Axel Andersson The infinitely dense Maginot-Hilbert space-filling curve

tyab87 Fractal France!

Axel Andersson pretty sure it’s the Maginot countryside

Does It come the Maginot Type Cover

the Maginot plane

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LOL 😂

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Samuel Kerby it's funny that this is a game and in real life italy lose to greece

Samuel Kerby thats not true cause Switserland was actually a pretty strong country, cause they had like almost 1 mil

Donut Plays swiss was the most neutral country, that's not true they was pretty strong. where the fuck is the connection

Switzerland wasn’t really that neutral. They happily shot down anything that entered their airspace.

@cybermat47 "They happily shot down anything that entered their airspace" exactly. anything. american, brit or german. that's pretty neutral. there is a difference between pacifism and neutrality. they were very aggressive in maintaining their neutrality.

It's not france's fault that it's hard coded to die

How big did greater romania used to be? Yes

I think France is hard coded to send their troops to another nation after a certain time passes after they are in a war with Germany.

*ARE WE BLIND DEPLOY THE SURRENDER FLAG*

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Konrad S SSS

To late guys we broke him

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Seems legit.

You did not specify frenchArmy and france, and I'm pretty sure it dosent work like that.

here is a code that works(tested in python, feel free to take it and test it): frenchArmy = "exists" france = "independent" wayToParis = "Guarded" while True: if frenchArmy == "exists": frenchArmy = "disband" if france == "independent": wayToParis = "Ungarded" ArmyAdd = input("Do you want to add divisions to the army? ") if ArmyAdd == "yes": print("ok") frenchArmy = "exists" else: print("you did not add anything to the army") ProtectParis = input("Protect the way to Paris? ") if ProtectParis == "yes" and frenchArmy == "exists": wayToParis = "Guarded" elif ProtectParis == "yes" and frenchArmy == "disband": print("You can not protect the way to Paris without troops") else: print("You did not protect the way to Paris ") if frenchArmy == "disband" and wayToParis == "Ungarded": france = "Capitulated" if france == "Capitulated": print("Some other nation has conquered us *sad french noises*")

@@myrmecologistjp9228 Now THAT seems legit.

The3cats4me that would be an interesting experiment.

If I recall, France has an AI modifier for preferring defense. However, france has land all over the world and the AI will protect ALL of it equally. Free France doesnt have this modifier, so they tend to stay within Core land

lutin grognon on the indo-China thing, I was playing as RAJ and I saw france put 40 divisions on the border with Siam. This was in 1939 before Germany started the war and Siam was neutral. There was no reasoning, it just did it. Let’s just say France fell rather quickly

Remove Talos Better than my German AI. I mean, they ally with Japan, declare war on the soviets, *AND SEND 90 OF IT'S 120 DIVISIONS TO FIGHT IN CHINA WHILE KEEP THE REMAINING 30 DIVISIONS AS GARRISON IN FRANCE TO PROTECT FROM D DAY* -fortress- hungary lasted more than germany....

Slugcat Jak I play as high elf....

"It just works"

Bug: Game too Realistic

Liam Odendaal you fucking savage

Liam Odendaal i didn't know humans could have bugs with historical accuracy :V

RE: My France doesn't work

you would need to send almost all hoi4 videos then. hoi4 is so bad, incredible. i actually stopped playing hoi4 because of the bad mechanics (paratroops, naval invasions, naval combat, tank warfare, forts, or weird air warfare) and the horrible ai. some time ago i've made a simple ai test. german ai is bad at repairing/fitting units/provinces (at some point it uses all its industry to repair provinces). and the other ai's do not care about the war economy policy when it's available to them, and there's so much more... either you play hoi4 in multiplayer or leave it

true story.

One german soldier sitting down in a parisian café and ordering a large beer can cause the entire country to surrender for gods sake.

true story.

In the game one paratrooper division into Paris actually can make France surrender though. I don’t think he meant in real life

@1alas I can just imagine an alternate X-Men universe, where Magneto is drinking in a Parisian Cafe, telling a couple Frenchmen "I have no name. It was taken from me, by cheesemakers and vineyard owners". He turns his arm and it shows a wine stain.

Russiaball Mapping We wun 100 percent of our wars. France stronk.France all wars againts the africans. 100 Years wot and shiet

Amirhan Abishev Actually, France only won 61.9 percent of their wars, but I was just joking around, unless you’re also joking around, then excuse me for not noticing the sarcasm.

Russiaball Mapping That was a joke.

Amirhan Abishev *pLaYs EvIL MoRtY tHeME* edit:fuck i just read The russian guys comment

MASTER DIO it still fits perfectly- Amirhan Abishev o

Imagine if you removed the Maginot line,dear god the french would become competent

New Romanian Mapper /NRM Remember Naopleon? He didn't fought with forts at his sides.

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Orangensaft oui baggutte

As sturdy as one...

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@ger dues eskaliert gleich

Oh Hell Na observe

It's not the AI but the country in general, I play france all the time both SP and MP and it's impossible to hold even if you buff yourself and it's so stupid. I get that france is supposed to be a challenge but ffs they are just unplayable right now.

@@delta2372 what? Literally my first game was France and I won. How bad ate you that you managed to lose? Seriously, France isn't that hard is SP

@@delta2372 not true, it's super easy to hold, I managed to conquer some land as France in 38

@@YitzharVered well let me rephrase that, I can win SP but MP it's impossible.

@@delta2372 Why did you say SP in the first place lol.

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I think you mean ff. For french fort

That would take a long time to set up I suspect.

@@LJCyrus1 One could opt for automating such scenario adjustements, of course.

He actually got onboard with this idea

This has already been done

germany immediately annexes the moon.

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Italy is not historically accurate, it does not change faction every month!

In fact, the italian AI is very competent

HoowinGames Nah, IAs only cover borders. For exemple AI Soviet Union puts its units in the Baltic and Eastern Poland, not on the tiny bits of the Stalin Line.

tarek alsaidy the mona lisa is italian, the fuck?

It's been in France for 500 years and only quit it to be exposed in Washington and Tokyo so, yeah, basically french at this point

Thomassilia but drawn by Da Vinci, an italian. In my opinion it's as italian as Mussolini

It's weird that you compare a painting with a leader on the exact opposite side of the competence spectrum

@@thomassilia7306 Drawn by Italian it is in no way French only thing french about it is ownership.

oh no the french are brainwashing our fellow mates next they'll be brainwashing the colonies prepare yourselves

P. Gawol germany built a giant gun to penetrate the maginot line but france surrended before they got it in place

Well, no actually. That’s (almost) entirely wrong. Yes, the Germans declared on the Danes first (April 9, 1940) but they capitulated literally six hours after German troops crossed the border. The war with France on the other hand began later (May 10, 1940), but they lasted more than a month (all the way until June 25 the same year). Please excuse me if I’ve got anything about this wrong.

Sir Borin The Great That is correct, bu this guy was talking about what happened in this video, not in real life !

TheLoneWolf550 Denmark is a country in Europe, AMERICAN ! -_-

XxTheVelikiBosnaXx pffft you're such a smart guy...

They should make a special surrender mechanic just for france

pffs pffs wdym?

FazZno! Well, he's not wrong. In Hoi4 the pre-Free France IA seems to be completely fucked up and its units seems to be nerfed as hell or something like that...I've already seen Germany going trough the Maginot line despite being outnumbered, where the French units should have won without even lv 10 forts..

pffs pffs it's perfect for italians

Hasan Aldawood depends on How you like tea.

I have a separate boiler that only boils tea.

Hasan Aldawood very good, then you are extra British

As long as you don't keep throwing it in the harbour!

That USA Friend

Pretty much 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Oui

schwarzbraun ist haselnuss cough you're right **looks away**

schwarzbraun ist haselnuss no. A real Frenchman would simply surrender.

Auto what country are you from? So i also say a random fake cliche that is a disgrace to your country?

FazZno! *pissed en Français*

schwarzbraun ist haselnuss *pissed en français too*

Michaël really just any military conflict the french have ever been in since napoleon

@@Michael-di7bg Putinland?

promc yeah i think it's a AI problem cause any player could rekt germany as france

*FEELS NAD MAN*

Shieldity *_CALM DOWN_*

Firman N *F E E L S N A D M A N*

Shieldity *_FEELS NAD MANSEPCITION_*

Mislav Malenica not sure the Germans had canal boats. Better of sticking to the English Channel if you ask me

Cythil the french tanks had some flaw (mainly undercrewd) wich would make them better (in tank vs tank) than the panzer 2, but I would say the panzer 3 and 4 was at leest on par. Regarding why france died in ww2, as I understand france basicly had PTSD from ww1. They also had unrest with commis wanting communism. And a most troops were conscripts with wariyng will to fight. They also soread out ther superior numbers of tanks, whilst the germans focused them in spearheads wich allowed them to blitz thru the arden and thus to the channel and paris. And then I think some frenchmen (higher upps) "sold out france" to the germans and establishe vichy france

Of course there where real reason to why France lost. Just that some of the reason given like there tanks sucked is not really valid reasons (as they where good tanks. Even if they had flaws to) And of course it was a combination of factors. But anyone who have played Hearts of Iron series will likely wonder at least a bit about how poorly manage there war effort was considering is not that hard to actually put up a fight with them. In one of my games I did not only steamroll Germany and Italy. I actually manage to take over USA after they declared war on me for my interventions in South America (I was playing world police in that game which apparently ticked of the Americans.) Of course after having defeated the Axis it is maybe not that odd that I would have the resource to take on USA (as well as me being a part of the allies which helped) But I do think that France could actually have beaten the Germans during the early days of WWII had they had the right management and played there cards right. Maybe not if you replaced the leadership on the same day that Germany invaded Poland. But even so France should not have been such a pushover as it was.

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The reason France lost to the Germans was that they came from the french's under defended backside. Turns out the impenetrable mountains in Belgium wasn't impenetrable and France had their best troops cut off from the rest of France when the mountains were breached as they were defending the Belgium land beside the mountains.

Cythil France lacked a lot of equipment and aircraft due to them spending insane amounts of money on the Maginot line, and don't foget the British also didn't think German tanks could move through the ardenne.

No, it is not. It is hardcoded to abandon the Maginot line to ensure that AI Germany always win.

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@@HiR3x Thank you kind stranger!

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Naci hyuseinov And the N in Naci is for Noob ?

Naci hyuseinov And the R stands for retreat. P.S I’m sorry that Ray was so brutal there, sheesh he must’ve hurt you bad

Shut up, France is a strong country compare to UK (GoodBye Brexit :D) we have a better army than UK or Germany :p

DarkLight 43 do you understand the concept of a joke or a stereotype?

@@darkaine7344 the 3rd reich got ya in a war wile invading poland and litterally everyone and only 1 1/2 years for preparations. Now the real germany beats you in economic power. Wow france. Just Wow. Where is ur white flag?

Kaiser Wilhelm ll Forever if you got the Airforce to defend French Mainland

Make a mod to see what happened if Germany lost WW1 Oh, wait

@@tomvandaalen273 the mods name is vanilla ;) or Führerreich

Mods I think it's easybuff+ I use it frequently search it on Steam workshop.

But those soldiers shud be hard to defeat while they're in those level 10 forts so it still kinda doesn't make sense

@@cherrydragon3120 but they're French soldiers