What is a theory or topic you want to cover next? What do you think would have happened if Arthur never got sick?

I like how Micah didn’t take Arthur seriously because he was sick but he still was getting his ass kicked at the end of the game while Arthur was dying. Edit: Please stop liking this comment. I get a notification after every like on my phone for some reason.

One thing I know for sure Arthur would have snapped Micah in two with bare hands if he hadn't gotten sick.

With the side missions of the brother and the sister, we see Arthur was a good man, even before the Tuberculosis, so I think he could’ve gone down a very similar path to what the main story went down, albeit maybe not encouraging John to leave but to more stick by his side through all of beaver hollow.

It always pissed me off when Arthur was joked at about him being sick, realistically It never makes sense and just feels like an extreme low blow much more than usual. Arthur never once complained about his sickness, 99% of the time he attempts to hide just how bad it is and downplays it yet still was able to keep up with everyone else in the group all the way up until his body LITERALLY didn't let him anymore. The amount of strength and willpower required to successfully accomplish all the feats he had while being as sick as he was FAR greater than even the rest of the gang put together (from what we know). The man is likely unable to sleep at all, is hours from death and STILL keeps up with everyone else in the story and more. Dutch especially saying "ah, Arthur needs to rest", feels so unbelievable because we know just how much more Arthur is going through and how much more difficult everything is for him Physically and Mentally. It was such a massive moment of "are you seriously saying that right now?" moment as the player and to this day still makes my stomach turn in frustration

If not before. When Dutch said about leaving Abigail behind, Arthur would absolutely go after her and turn against Dutch. He wouldn’t want to see Jack made an orphan and he’d see clear as day that Dutch wasn’t the man he thought he was.

I think Arthur’s respect would have increased if he hadn’t gotten sick. I think Dutch would have instead of becoming more distant from the gang, he would of started to get Arthur to help make the decisions we all have seen him make. So basically Arthur would be replacing Hosea in a way.

I think we can all agree on the fact that Arthur would have survived the events of the game if he was healthy. Arthur Morgan is so OP that they had to give him a reason to die differently

I think he would have been a lot stronger. While Arthur in early chapters wouldnt have done this due to loyalty, I think he would have taken over the gang from Dutch with the help of Charles, Sadie, and possibly John. Javier would be the deciding factor as he canonically is torn by betraying them & doesnt aim his gun at Arthur & John. Susan would definitely be trigger ready to help. I just wonder if itd be a matter of time and who would make the first move. Either Arthur guns down Micah in camp for all to see first or Micah guns him down. Dutch would be the crazy factor though and would determine the next course of action given his deteoriating mental state. Fucked up part of all this: if Arthur succeeds in taking the gang, I imagine itd be shortly after Molly is killed, the survivors would probably also have to kill Bill, maybe Javier too. And then considering Dutch’s high bounty, they could hand him over to the Pinkertons through like maybe Sadie & Charles since they’re not known to them & they could use the money to actually buy land and support everyone.

This game holds a special place in my heart the first time i beat the game and saw arthur pass on watching the sun set i cried and literally couldn't play the game 2 months after . I have 1000+ hours of this gorgeous masterpiece.

I think that if Arthur never got TB, it would end in a shootout like normal, but Arthur would end up shooting Micah, and Dutch realising that Arthur was right to kill him.

Are you kidding? The reason that Micah didn't try Arthur when he was healthy is because he was intimidated by arthur, and he knew Arthur would knock him out.

On my second playthrough, I just avoided Thomas Downes, but the game forces you into it eventually

I think Arthur would still recognize and acknowledge the errors and red flags that Dutch makes in beaver hollow. We saw it before the diagnosis and now he has to take Hosea’s role in keeping Dutch sane. Arthur would definitely do less with the strangers missions so he could focus on maintaining the gang and rebuilding the father figure he has had for years. He doesn’t want one of the greatest men he’s ever met to end up as he did canonically.

I would hope that Arthur would have figured out Dutch's increasing aggression and loss of control. Dutch's mask had started to slip at the Blackwater massacre and we can see Arthur asking questions at the beginning of the game, however given how his inherent desire to be good clashes with his self loathing, I still think he would have sacrificed himself for the safety of John and the women and children. Arthur is a naturally sad character lol I don't think there would be any saving him with everything he had done.

You know what would be an interesting what if? What if Micah, after being saved by Arthur, tries to worm his way into Arthur's good graces instead of Dutch's. I know this wouldn't be completely in character for Micah, but my thought is what if the shattering of the gang went the other way around and it was Arthur, John, Micah and Micah's goons against Dutch, Bill and Javier?

He would f*cking smoke Micah. That's for sure.

In one of the Blind Man encounters he says "As evil has begat evil, so too good may begat good" which is an odd way to phrase it; begat is the past tense so its like saying "...so too good may have birthed good" This to me suggests that the writers are saying the seed of goodness could well grow already in Arthur and prompt him to oppose the slide that the gang is experiencing, so that even without TB he could have become a moral leader for the gang. Maybe the devs just didn't trust the players to know how to conjugate 'beget' tho.

I am a little late here, but a random camp encounter with Micah where he is cleaning his gun and if you walk up to him he points it at you, and says "Got you there, tough guy" or some such, Arthur just replys coldly to "name the time and place, my friend." and you can get this one at random times.. so with that said, I think if arthur never got sick he would have put two in micah, maybe on a "mock" job or something Hope everyone has a great new years!

While you certainly raise good points about Arthur's TB causing Dutch to think less favorably of him. Even if Arthur didn't get sick, I believe Arthur would have still grown doubtful of Dutch's plans in chapter 6. Which would have alienated Arthur from Dutch's trust.

Personally I think Arthur not being sick would see him become the new Hosea effectively, rather than just getting shoved off to the side. You gotta remember, the gang started with those three, they're the old guard, more than anything else they were a family. That family just got shook hard and made smaller. As much as Dutch liked Micah and the words he spoke, the actions he took, it wasn't what he had for Arthur. During Shady Belle, when Dutch was howling for Bronte's blood and he and Hosea were butting heads about what to do, he even started singing Micah's praises to Arthur directly, and all it took was thirty seconds for him to switch back around and apologize. But this is also less to do with Arthur, the whole latter events of the game were the end result of Micah's collaboration with the Pinkertons to save his own hide(or potentially cash in on the bounties of the gang members, as his old camp has snippets of Dutch's own bounty). Micah for all the greasy, sneaky, backstabbing bullshit that we would know him for later though, in Clemens Point as well as a few other times in Shady Belle, had his moments of genuinely trying to give the gang a shot. Micah had more in common with the O'Driscolls than the gang, being vicious and hardened, but I think there was a time between his stay in Strawberry up until about halfway through Shady Belle when he might genuinely have tried to turn around. Because being the way he was up until that point had just nearly killed him. He started to understand the depth of which he just fucked up. He hated the O'Driscolls, otherwise truth be told he'd have joined them directly because they were far more his speed, and they're larger and maybe even stronger than the van der lindes. So he definitely didn't corroborate with Colm to specifically get rid of Arthur, that again was a purely Colm thing because Colm's a fuckin maniac who thinks he can buy his freedom by giving away the van der lindes, and he captured Arthur to use as bait. Because again, Arthur was a member of the old guard, genuinely seen as a son by Dutch and Hosea, as well as being the head enforcer for the gang. The entire gang damn near destroyed Rhodes over Sean who was an annoyance, destroyed one of the most wealthy, powerful, and influential families in Lemoyne over little Jack(with extreme prejudice), to say nothing of what they did to the O'Driscolls over Kieran and Jake Adler, one of whom has been long dead and the other was the gang's punching bag. Loyalty is an important thing to Dutch(at least during the better part of the first half of the game), and the perceived lack or betrayal of it drove him insane during Beaver's Hollow. It's a sentiment shared by the rest of the gang, who are for all intents and purposes one giant family. So, imagine word gets to them that Arthur is being held captive by Colm. The whole gang might very well have picked up arms and took after him. Micah even apologizes personally to Arthur during Clemens Point, saying quote, "the one time I try to do the right and wise thing and it blows up like this. That'll teach me.". But, let's say Arthur never got sick, everything else stayed the same. All the deaths, the trip to guarma, Beavers Hollow, all of it. Arthur would have become far more trusted, but so would Micah. If Arthur would fill in the role of new Hosea, Micah very well could be the next Arthur, something that rightfully and truly should have been John's place, thus creating the inner conflict needed. And finally, the confrontation, just before the standoff. If Dutch heard Arthur say that about Micah, I think he might be genuinely conflicted. Because in his eyes, Micah was now his second Arthur, he was the go-to guy. Dutch had trusted Micah more than even Molly, and we saw how he reacted to her. Truthfully, the biggest difference might be with how many people stayed because Arthur kept their hopes up and dreams alive. Those people would have had his back, and I think even Javier would have stood behind him. I'm up in the air about Bill, but that's another matter. Where would it end? The second that Javier mentioned Pinkertons, or Micah shooting Grimshaw. It would have been instant in that moment, that brief return to sanity, the realization of his failure, of Micah's ultimate betrayal of his trust, and just what it has cost him and the gang. Micah wouldn't draw another breath. Who knows what could have happened then. Maybe the gang actually would've made it to Tahiti lmao.

Great video honestly a better character study of how Micah thinks and functions then of Arthur’s TB

Dutch lost his wise man (Hosea) and strongest enforcer (Arthur) so you can see where it goes wrong

Very interesting analysis. I agree with you. Arthur only became retrospective and regretful because he was on borrowed time. I believe, if Arthur hadn't got tuberculosis he would've carried on as he was with the gang, been the louder voice in Dutch's ear and let Michah swing!

Arthur getting sick is what changes his outlook and him as a person. I feel like having not gotten tuberculosis he probably would have stayed the same that person that he was in the prologue and in the first chapter.

The real chance came after that train heist where Dutch hitted his head hard. After that, he slowly, but surely, start losing contact with reality, becoming more paranoid and violent toward everyone as seen how he handle the camp, his charismatic persona and cunning plans become ruthless acts of tyranny and bloodshed, Micah gladly joins or push him toward.

Finally someone actually talking about it in a story Not just a mod edit

personally? I don't think too much would've changed. I think he still would've been against Dutch and recognise his faults, and I still think he would've sacrificed himself for John, just not die doing so. He was a good man deep down before he got sick.

that whole beginning paragraph was beautiful, subscribing

It's obvious that Arthur was starting to doubt Dutch's decisons since the beggining of the game, but being diagnosed with TB was the thing that accelerated things, i mean, a healthy Arthur would eventually see things the way he did with TB but maybe much later, or maybe too late. Maybe instead of trying to help the gang members before the TB killed him, he would have acted more aggresively against Micah, maybe killing him and confronting Dutch, creating an "internal war" between those who believe in Dutch and those who believe in Arthur, maybe a healthy Arthur would have made Karen, Mary Beth, Uncle and Pearson to stay with the gang because he would still be the same imponent Arthur as always, giving them more hope for the situation, making them stay a bit longer. Or maybe Arthur would've convinced "the good ones" of the gang (Sadie, Charles, John and his family, Uncle, Mary Beth, Karen, Pearson) to stay with him and run while Dutch and the "bad ones" attacked the train, being surrounded by the pinkertons later like it happened in the game. Or maybe everything could've happened exactly the same, but maybe Eagle flies could've survived, since Arthur could've defended himself from that soldier (after being left to die by Dutch) avoiding Colonel Flavours to kill him, so Charles would've made the train job with them instead of staying with the natives, so maybe they would've come back for John after being shot then save Abigail and confront Dutch and the others, and running away all of them, letting Dutch and the others with the money and the Pinkertons behind them. I don't know, maybe i left a few details and my theories don't happen, but i guess we'll never know. What a game, nice video.

I believe it was always destined to happen. However I believe Micah would've made it so Arthur looked like the snake. He was pouring honeyed words in Dutch's ear a lot after the the tram crash and not doubt Micah noticed this and took advantage of it. I think Arthur would've either become a bounty hunter of a saddle tramp if he wasn't sick.

Honestly if Arthur didnt get sick, his new goal once the gang started to fall apart was to get the women John, Abigail and Jack away from Dutch before he got them killed and i think John or Abigail (with the help of Jack) would have been able to talk Arthur into making up his mind in leaving with The Marstons

I think they should've made it a choice, whether to leave Micah to hang or not. Sure, Dutch might've been upset for a few days but then it would've all worked out a whole lot better for the gang I'm 100% sure..

I think its posssible that the game would have ended with a showdown between micah, maybe bill and Javier and Dutch vs. Arthur, Sadie, Charles and John. Arthur would end up killing Micah and probably Dutch as well. Javier, Bill and Micahs goons would also be dead. He would give the money to John to start a new life with Abigail and Jack sending Charles with him while Arthur and Sadie fought off the last of the pinkertons. Arthur would live out his days with Sadie as bounty hunters and lovers. John, Abigail, and Jack end up living the same life on their ranch. But this time, the events of the first game dont happen because Dutch, Bill, and Javier are already dead. Perhaps the pinkertons still want to hunt down John and Arthur so there could still be some conflict there. There could still be more to the story. Another story of redemption. But the events would be very different.

I think the failed negotiation was what led Micah to give up on winning over Arther and start attempting to alienate him from Dutch. At that point Arther’s opinion of him would be pretty much set in stone. He knew after seeing how angry Dutch got about it that his survival depended on getting rid of Arther.

In my little theory, i think micah couldn't have done much but maybe get a horde of Pinkertons to kill arthur, potentially blaming him to be responsible for the saint denis robbery, or got cleet and joe to steal Dutch's chest or take all the money in blackwater with hired guns since in the Cornwall mission in annesburg if arthur wasnt sick, he could've put micah against the wall that he tried shoving Arthur in to test out if he can over power him

I believe this is one if not the hardest RDR2 theory to try and pin point what would have happened. First of all, it depends on the player if Arthur reaches his redemption or not, if the player decides to play low honor and not help people while going for the money, then the Arthur from that story is a deluded man who thinks he can make it out even though he is sick. If the player decides to be honorable and do good deeds and help John at the end, they have made an Arthur that has realized one of the beauties of life, he knows the gang doesn't matter anymore, and tries to do everything he can before he dies. This theory depends on which Arthur we take, his illness sure helped him soften up a little bit more, but it wasn't the only thing that did. I unfortunately don't think this theory really leads anywhere, you could say that Arthur would be more persistent if he wasn't sick and try and make Dutch see through Micah, but Micah could have just sold the gang out to the Pinkertons and the events kind of play out the same, except for the dilema of whether to help John or go for the money, which depends on what the player has done throughout his playthrough. I really look forward to see more of your theories, it's just that this one isn't really for me.

I choose to believe Arthur didnt die but faked his death so he could quit having to be around Micah

Watching Arthur get sick is what I imagine watching your dad cry would feel like (I’ve never had that experience) because I don’t know abt ya’ll but I see my dad as a super hero to this day. He never shows real sad emotion he smiles or he’s pissed if I saw him cry I would almost feel a lost sense of hope, a sense of mortality that not even the hardest war torn men are immortal. Idk how well that will resonate with anyone or if I’m the only one that had that feeling playing the game but damn watching him get sick in game made me wish I did more of the side quest stuff in chapter 2-3 when Arthur was still his good ol self.

I think it would be funny if uncle wasn’t in rdr2 and Arthur just kinda stayed with John and abagail and slowly aged into rdr1s uncle. You could argue the drinking and laziness explain why he looks the way he does.

If no one died i could see the gang splitting anyway. Hosea with Arthur, Sean, Lenny, Abigail, John, Jack, Ms. Grimshaw, Sadie, Charles, Tilly, Mary Beth, Kieran, likely Karen and Josiah. On one side. Dutch, Bill, Micah, Javier, Micah's buddies, etc

"Arthur refuses to kill innocent people" Oh, sweet summer child...

The camp ledger shows pretty clearly which gang members are doing the most work, how (rob/hunt/forage), and when. Micah was no slouch. I imagine the biggest difference if Arthur wasn't sick would have to be the fact that he would not have been forced by the illness to split up with John on the mountain at the end, which led to his slightly premature demise. And therefore, they both would have escaped together with Abigail, Jack, & Sadie. It's very difficult to imagine which of the millions of additional possibilities and consequences a surviving Arthur allows for might have been most likely to occur. But...no story can avoid having an ending. And the impact of his eventual death probably would have been nerfed from what it was, had he survived.

If Arthur hadn't have gotten TB, I think Arthur would have done a job with Micah, similar to the stage coach, and then killed him, and brought his body back, then would have fabricated a story that Micah and Arthur got into a shoot out with the stagecoach driver and security, and Micah died, then Arthur finished off the stage coach driver and security and brought Micah's body back for a burial, eliminating Micah permanently.

I dont think things would have changed bery much at the end or the Beaver Hollow section because Arthur was pulling away even before he found out exactly what was wrong with him. If Arthur isnt sick Micah dies at beaver hollow and Arthur meets up with John and his family. The rift between Arthur and Dutch would have gotten even wider i believe because Arthur would have been of even more sound mind than he was and he would have been able to do even more to get John and his family out of the gang. I mean he damn near single handedly got John out of jail while the TB was at a very advanced stage. I think if Arthur hadn't been sick Dutch would have seen him as even more mentally ill, i think it would have lead to Arthur killing Dutch as well as Micah because Dutch was so gone and believed in Micah. Then with Arthur killing Micah it would have cemented in Dutches.mind that Arthur was the crazy one and the one who was pulling the gang apart. As a side note Arthur should have been in Johns role. After playing RDR2 it really showed me just how much a joke John was as a character. I mean hes one of the dumbest members of the gang yet hes the one with a family and not someone like Arthur who was beloved by the entire gang minus Micah

I think when Arthur returns from being held hostage Micah released that Arthur wasn’t going anywhere so he need to convince Dutch to cut him loose or at lest revoke him from the position of right hand man

does not matter how arthur would live, but he healthy would have beaten mica into pieces in a few seconds.

To me, everything would go exactly the same. The only difference is, Arthur, most likely, wouldn't have found his redemption or at least tried making things right to better himself as a man. Looking back on the original story, I find this one to be heartbreaking. Arthur will never truly understand love in it's full meaning, nor believe in it. He'll never know how good of a man he could have been to those who were in need of help and missed a great opportunity for a value lesson that he desperately needed to hear and would probably die thinking he was a no good outlaw that everyone feared/hated all for the price of loyalty that actually meant nothing for years.

I think Micah would have found a way to eliminate Arthur with no one around, he was determined be Dutch’s right hand man by any means necessary. I think Arthur would have died at Micah’s hands if he not gotten sick

Only Uncle could imagine what Arthur was going through

Arthur’s well-being was based on how the gang was. When he got worse, the gang got worse. The second that Arthur died, the gang died.

Rockstar was genius for having him get sick rather than just having his head blown off it makes you feel so much more invested

I think if Arthur didn’t get sick Dutch wouldn’t of went insane the way he did in RDR1 Arthur would kept him together

Arthur’s sickness forced him to reevaluate the life he’d lived and the harm he’d caused people outside of the gang. Arthur had known that the gang’s time was almost over for a long time; he says so at the very beginning of the game. I think he was resigned to either getting that final score and retiring or dying with Dutch because he valued loyalty to the gang above all else. Getting sick forced him to take stock of his circumstances-the law and civilization closing in, Dutch’s increasing selfishness, paranoia, disregard for both his values and the gang, etc-and decide to divest himself from Dutch and save as many people as possible regardless of their affiliation with the gang. If Arthur hadn’t gotten sick, he would’ve questioned/fought with Dutch or maybe even revealed Micah as a traitor and killed him, but I don’t think he would’ve forgiven anyone’s debts or kicked Strauss out of the camp. And he wouldn’t have told the non-enforcers to leave Beaver Hollow; some of them probably would’ve died. If he and John both escaped, Arthur probably would’ve died at the end of RDR1 because the law/karma was always going to come for him.

People are just cold. It's so unreasonable yet so believable that people would begin doubting his capabilities and loyalty just because the state of his health changed. People can be just the best or the worst beings ever

IMO if Arthur never got sick then the story would have never unfolded the way it did. I think that Arthur, since he wouldn’t be so occupied by his sickness would have got fed up with Micah and talked to Dutch about around mid chapter 4 and since Hosea hadn’t died yet he might still have some reason and would’ve kicked Micah out or even killed him, therefore the majority of the events that occurred due to Micah corrupting Dutch’s thinking never would’ve happened and the gang would’ve kept on until the Pinkerton found them or they successfully left the country

I like to think that Arthur would've escaped the splitting of the gang alongside John and would go to live with him on his ranch, and would've saved John's life from those damn Pinkertons when they came after him at the end of RDR1. 😭

This is a really great video. Its sad that Arthur got sick and died but he would have never changed. Hell if he never changed he could be even hunted by the law in rdr1

I think the gang would have fell apart anyway. Dutch was losing his mind since blackwater. And with Micah and potentially Molly tellin it was bound to drown. But Arthur was and would have been the glue if he wasn’t sick so rdr3 would look waaay different and rdr as well.

1:08 he may not have his father figure Dutch’s support, but he’ll always have Hosea’s support, despite Hosea being dead.

I think a specific clash change would occur during the standoff where Miss Grimshaw gets shot. Arthur would be at the top of his game at this point in his life if it weren’t for the TB. I think he would react to Micah taking the shot, killing him immediately with a bullet to his brain. Whether he could save Miss Grimshaw is hard to say, and what would happen next is questionable. Dutch could take this either way honestly, if Arthur threw himself at his mercy, I think Dutch would see his loyalty and change for the better. Micah’s buddies, and Bill and Javier could easily die here, as well as Arthur. I think it would depend on if Bill and Javier had grown to dislike a non sick Arthur, who I think they’d inherently respect more.

damn great video brother

Best timeline: Instead of Arthur Micah would've catched TB and died to it. Or Arthur deciding that Micah causes more trouble than he is worth, letting Micah hang and telling Dutch, that he arrived to late to save Micah. If Arthur wouldn't have caught TB, he wouldn't have been hindered by it and in a world, were respect for a middle-aged man stems from physical fitness, getting TB was foreseeable to damage and eventually cost Arthur his position as "3rd in command" of the gang behind Hosea and Dutch at the Top. Man, I need to replay the game at some point, I don't remember all the details but imho Arthur and his attempts to question Dutch in a constructive way, trying to get Dutch to change course, really failed because Dutch more and more lost respect for that "sick man" that is not reliable anymore to perform from his point of view. Like a Star NFL football player, that gets injured, can't perform anymore how he used to and then falls from grace. If Arthur would've been healthy, he could've convined him, maybe at latest after chapter 3, when Sean was dead and Kieran, to change course and instead flee west and lay low, letting grass grow over it, that Dutches plan of getting to Tahiti and thus attempting more dangerous, bigger scores, was not worth it, since it got members of their gang killed. They clearly couldn't have just given up to the Police, unlike how actually we deal with Bounties, throughout the story it becomes clear that with the lore killing happening people don't look to kindly on bloody, mordering robbers, Micah nearly got hanged over it. So if they sticked to the US, like Arthur suggested in his diaries afaik from day 1 on, they should've gone west and lay low, maybe build up a new identity and a ranch far from where they commited their crimes. But that wouldn't have been a dramatic game that people want to play and progress and it would've been non-canonical, since it wouldn't have led up to the story of RDR 1. That is what I dislike about games, that are prequels in an established story, in some mystique way it is clear how things will end more or less, you can't be surprised by an alternative that would contradict the older, canonical sequel title. If they would've introduced entirely different characters, not related to the RDR 1 characters, this would've been possible. So I hope, if they ever make an RDR 3, that they will do it with different characters, so we can be more surprised by the ending.

I think Arthur would still seal his redemption by helping John escape. Micah would never go back to try and kill Arthur and John would get convinced by Arthur to not go after Micah (he would also not have much of a reason to)

He was starting to change before TB I think he would have ran away with Mary

Always nice to revisit rdr2, thanks. Been playing Starfield and compared to 5 year old rdr2 it looks even crapier on every aspect. What a really masterpiece rdr2 and for less than half the budget.

I think if Arthur lived throughout the game...Dutch and the gang would of all died and rdr would of been about Arthur and John becoming like bounty hunters or outlaw like lawmen

I think if Micah didn't have such thick plot armour that Bill would have shot him in a drunken stupor. Bill never liked Micah and was not one to hold back normally and When Micah sucker punched him for laughing at Lenny's ribbing of Micah, we all know careless Bill can be. I would have loved to watch Micah Swing cause honestly being riddled with bullets was too good for him.

I feel like after the death of Hosea Micah would slowly try to crawl in Dutch's ear and to some extent have some influence on Dutch but Arthur would definitely be above Micah so all in all the gang would be more of a "family" and more careful doing jobs and planning

took the money and ran away with mary linton

if he never got sick, Dutch and Micah would've been dead and the Gang would've lived peacefully. after that

I like to think that in an alternate universe where Arthur didn't get sick, he and Sadie would hunt bounties together. Their chemistry is good and I'd feel they would work well together, Arthur being the sharpshot and dealing with people from long range, whilst Sadie deals with close courters and melee attackers.

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First of all. Arthur whould still be alive. With micah probably dead after Arthur finds out who the rat is. Also Arthur whould still have his position as a strong individual in the gang. We know this since 1: Arthur isnt sick 2: Because Arthur isnt sick he wont really be questioning Dutch as much and wont be the voice of reason. We know this because he says it himself. "After i got diagnosed i saw everything in a new light" it was something like that but prob not word for word. I just remember him saying that he saw stuff diffrently after he got diagnosed with TB. 3: Micah is gonna be the sick one since Strauss is probably still gonna send someone to collect the money. He knows that Micah is ruthless (As does the whole ass gang) 4: Arthur is strong because he doesnt have TB. He aint sick.

13 minutes I can’t get back, another mrbossFTW here!

I think if Arthur had never gotten ill. I think the events of the game would have probably still played out the way they would have excet that Arthur would have more than likely killed Micah in their final brawl, joined up with Sadie and John, hooked with Sadie as a bounty hunter and possibly more, and helped John build Beecher's Hope.

I think in a way, Arthur needed to pass for the rest of the survivors to flourish. I think after Arthur passed, Dutch didn’t feel the need to go after everyone else. But if Arthur had survived, he would’ve hunted everyone down to get his revenge, as Micah would tell him to do so.

Enjoyed the video! I've always wondered what would happen if Arthur never went back to camp after he got sick. Would the game keep him at the same lever of sickness until he did return or would it somehow force you to go back?

In the end it probably would have been the same. Lots of comments saying that Arthur still would have turned on Dutch (or whichever perspective you want to view it from) for any number of reasons when Dutch reveals his true self. The only difference is that if Arthur didn't get sick he would have killed Micah in the final sequence and then likely Dutch would have shot him and left him for dead anyways. He did not expect John to come after him (and really he didn't, he went after Micah and only ended up going after Dutch when he was forced to) but Arthur absolutely would have gone after Dutch and he wouldn't have taken the chance. This would have allowed the postgame to still set itself up and still could have ended up with Sadie, Charles, and John riding off to get the old gang's stash which was what ended up with John getting caught, just without the exciting finish.

On my second playthrough I tried avoiding doing the mission where Arthur gets sick as long as possible.. Eventually the game forces you and just started the mission automatically 😂

I think Arthur would went a similar path if he lived he run a way with marry and john not have found by ager ross because probably not go after miach since Arthur not be dead and he probably would kill miach anyway

I think arthur was kind of the embodiment of the snakeoil ideas dutch was selling, probably made it an easier sell. Seems like generally arthur is pretty live and let live to bystanders/people that get caught in the crossfire of the gangs activities. Far from a saint but some sort of guiding principle. Unless of course, you as a player go full murder hobo. The duality is that when he's dealing with people he considers fair game the switch flips. Dude becomes a killing machine. That scary blend of brainwashed and defending what he considers to be his family and their freedom. He lives a pretty black and white life i think, and ends up being the best version of dutch's ideology. The arc for me, is the long gradual unwinding of his black and white beliefs as he watches dutch loose his mind and his friends die for nothing.

everytime i play the game i stop before he gets sick😭

I think Dutch gave up on the robin hood facade in their earlier years, maybe he just got old and became careless and completely selfish

Thanks for the Video, really! Little hint tho, I would consider my English skills to be pretty good, but I had a hard time understanding what you said at the pace you were speaking.

I think if they're not ran into the storm and crashing the ship, it would be a lot better maybe his sickness not gone bad that fast.

Arthur started to doubt Dutch before he knew he has TB, so I believe he would still go the way he did. However, if he wasn't sick he could defeat Micah in their fight and survive, at least for a while. With that said though, TB takes years to kill (mortality rate was up to 70% that time), so I think if Arthur wouldn't get killed by Micah he might could live up to the epilogue, and maybe even to the events of rdr1

I wore a mask and they removed it when I first play it I didn’t know it was part of the game when I passed out on the street I went to the doc then later realized he had TB and was part of the game 😂

I feel like Micah would have wormed his way in Arthur's place as Arthur thinks exactly like Hosea does and dutch eventually didn't want to hear logic he wanted to feed his delusion. however Dutch and Micah would have died at the end of the game by Arthur in the bad honor version or Micah just dies in the good ending and Arthur lets dutch go

I personally think the events that happened near the end would have changed slightly, I think Arthur would have still spit off from the gang due to the way he was being betrayed by Dutch & Micah, and the showdown at beaver hollow would have still happened, and he would have helped john escape. However either one of two things would happen, There would have been that same fight with Micah on the hilltop except Arthur would have mopped the floor with him, and killed him there in front of Dutch, or Dutch would have talked Arthur into sparing him being the smooth talker he is, and they would have parted ways, and Arthur would have left with john to stay with them in blackwater & the epilogue would have still played out except with Arthur right there with john OR Arthur would have killed Micah, Dutch then shoots Arthur, and that sparks the RDR1 events minus the epilogue, its fun to think of what would have happened if he didn't get sick, and its sad to see the (IMO) best character in gaming history get treated/die the way he does but it really does setup RDR1 and make the story that much more enjoyable, and on top of that they left the story beautifully open for a RDR3 to see the start of the gang up to the blackwater massacre, Where hopefully we get to see Arthur in his prime whilst I hope we play as mac callander.

I feel like unlike John Arthur would live longer I can see him becoming a sheriff in the future, joining the sister to help people or simply leaving America unlike everyone else in the gang including John he saw and acknowledged that their time was over and accepted it.

I think if Arthur hadn’t got sick , we would have a helluva good RDR3 , that’s why I kinda hope they go back farther in the next version of this game. But I’m sure they won’t , maybe in order to put this game to rest , which would be stupid being as how people love this game as much as GTA. I hated it when they killed Arthur off , but in reality they killed all of the main characters. That’s why I want the next one to go back farther , just so we can have them all back together. 👍👍👍✌️✌️✌️

I think as soon as things start going even a little bit south Arthur would get Sadie, John, Javier and all but Micah, Dutch and Bill to make the decision to turn Dutch in for money alive, Micah in dead and Bill in alive, then go out west, start a farm and all live in a happy retirement as this time Arthur would actually have the ability to stand up to Dutch due to not being sick

You should do a video on what if John got sick

Maybe at the end he’d kill Micah, but he’d still die by making a final stand against the lawmen to let John escape. Kinda like how John made a final stand against the army so his family could escape. The cycle continues

I couldn't imagine John going after Arthur especially if you choose the good ending.

I'm playing through it again tried so much not to get arthur sick obviously it's not possible but was good to try

I like to think that if everyone that did die in the game and we’re still dead if Arthur didn’t get sick that it would be the same outcome other than when Micah jumps Arthur, Arthur would win the fight then Arthur John, etc. would venture out and leave the life of crime and Micah would be dead and Dutch would be all alone

Well...he would be able to devour mich at the end that's for sure

If he never got sick he would have been probably able to explore Blackwater and new Austin