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"Oh yeah it's all coming together"

The roman empire would turn from a hellenic-latin empire to a hellenic-germanic empire. But i really doubt that the marriage would be successful , i mean irene was powerhungry enough to kill her own son.

The fire of Rome endures.

“Restoring the title of highest priest to the Emperor” Me *flipping desperately through the catechism*

I like how Portugal is just left alone for no apparent reason

This turned out well, pleasure working with you!

Now this truly is the greatest timeline

what if monsieur Z *wasn't* cody from alternate history hub in disguise?

Rome-Constantinople reconquers all of Western Europe. Whispers: They never got Portugal

I like your optimistic outlook and i must admit it's an intriguing alternate history scenario but unfortunately i believe it would have been impossible to occur. Even if the marriage happened it would have been doomed since Eirene as you said in the video was most likely too old to father children so after her or Charlemagne's death the union would have been dissolved. The Byzantines would never (and i do mean NEVER) accept a western barbarian as an emperor no matter how charismatic or gifted he was- and we know that Louis the Pious wasn't that charismatic. Even if the union did happen after both Eirene and Charlemagne died every ambitious byzantine general would rebel and use the fact that the new emperor was a German who hardly spoke Greek to usurp the throne. Louis would have been powerless to stop a rebellion in Anatolia and the two empires would split up again.

fake Rome marrying greek Rome. Weird.

Check out the second part to this video over on Vologda Mapping's Channel: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hKphY7p-39TNno0.html

Having read up on Empress Irene I'm not so sure it would have been in Charlemagne's best interest to marry her. If he valued being alive and all! She might have poisoned him or plotted against him thus causing a ripple where both empires fell into decline.

Finally the fun loving alternative history channel covered this topic

Europe's greatest Achilles heel has always been a divided Church

Even if the real world Rome still has a lot of power, if you are paying attention to an certain satelite, imagine how powerful they would be in this alternative history...

Right as I was looking for a mind puzzle distraction. Thanks Mr Z. Right when I needed you!

6:30 "Aachen" in French is Aix-la-Chapelle not "Ah-Shan" ^^

You did this scenario way better than I good job as always Mr. Z (this is Tyler the guy who submitted the similar HRE alternate history on your site)

Great video on a topic I always enjoy seeing discussed. Thank you

I think it's nearly impossible that a standing army would be restored and that Louis would restore the title of pontifecx maximus

Amazing concept. Amazing video! Well done m8 you should be proud of this! Truly unique.

BTW, this is a scenario that I have been looking forward to for a long time. Thank you and God bless your soul.

History shows us that a geopolitical entity as large and complex as the Roman Empire is inherently unstable. Even if the union was successful in reuniting the Empire for a time, I suspect there would be a lot more fracturing. In the best case, the Empire might repeatedly fracture and reunite over the centuries, much in the way of imperial China.

dude your videos just keep getting higher quality and it's awesome keep up the good work been watching you since 2019

The Romanian principalities would be a part of the empire for sure, not just vassals

The moment Irene accepted the marriage proposal, her nobles and generals would strike against her. The hate towards the usurpers of the west and the feeling of disgrace was too great. It’s tempting to thing if Charlemagne would choose to invade the Byzantines in reaction to the arrest or murder of his bride to be.

The new map was very good, Another great video.

You are back with the Alternate History video!!!! XD

The western dream of Rome continues on lol. A fun video on a scenario I’ve wanted to see for a while. Thank you. Stay well out there everybody, and Jesus Christ be with you friends.😊

It's a very optimistic scenario, we just have to assume that a couple of really delicate matters are going to work in favor of the unity of the empire. Anyway, will it have a second part?

Awesome video PLEASE DO A PART 2. I know it gets hard to predict what would happen but it still would be cool to see this new Rome colonize space

YES! I WAS WAITING FOR THIS

The Third Rome has arrived at last! Bask in its magnificence! Ave Charlemagne!

Close enough, French pronounciation is actually "Aix-la-Chappelle" :-D or "Aa-rrh-en" in Western German / Limburger Dutch. Super video, once again! Thanks Mr. Z!

Scenarios for future Videos: - What if Frederick the Great and Maria Theresia married (maybe with the extra that these two had also a son who inheritated prussia and austria and Title of holy roman emperor)? - What if Germany was unified with prussias greater german solution? - What if Prussia splitted up Austria after the German war and annexed all Habsburg lands into the new german empire? - What if germany backstabed Austria hungary with their war with serbia? - What if the 30 years war never happend? - What if America/the USA became a Monarchie, under Fredericks brothers, after their independence? - What if the Confederacy took over the whole USA and implemented slavery in the north? - What if Germany became communist after ww1? - What if the Qing Empire never fall/never was pushed around by the european powers (Opium wars n stuff)/never lost territory to russia, japan and the europeans - What if Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemberg and Switzerland became Part of the german empire (maybe a Greater German Empire Version with Austria, Bohemia, South Tyrol, Slovenia and Istria+ Switzerland and the Low-Countries)? - What if germany formed earlier like france and britain, maybe due a sucessfull Roman conquest of germania or out of east frankia? - What if Maria Theresias father had a son? - What if the spanish Habsburg never died out? -What if the HRE was able to hold nothern Italy? - What if Catholic christianity never gain influence and was replaced by Orthodox christianity? - What if the jews instead of the Christians became dominant in europe? - What if the US colonized the whole american continent (North and South) - What if Germany kept their Alliance with Russia? - What if an German royal House was on the Russian throne (Like in Britain) - What if Russia was able to colonize further into North America and was able to develope the Region? - What if Luxemburg didn't lost Bohemia? - What if imperial china never fell/ was able to colonize and westernize (Qing on it's largest extent) and so werr able to rival europa and japan/was able to hold them out of their sphere and never lost any territory at all, maybe where also able to grow - What if the Dual Empire between France and Germany happened? Thats a short scenario i saw on reddit. The scenario is like this: A french phyrrhic victory in the battle of Leipzig lead to a Hohenzoller-Bonaparte Alliance. - What if the catholics won the 30 years war?

This is one of the best concepts for an alternate history piece that I've ever heard.

What if Italy united during Renaissance or Late Middle Ages?

14:40 this seems awfully familiar……

2:36 is Irene of Hungary, not Athens.

Monsieur Z: "[...]France, Spain, and England [...]" Portugal: Am I a joke to you!?

What a great video! Alternate Medieval History is something I have never seen before! Hey Mister Dean, when are the results coming for the competition of a short alternate scenario? Also, had my first final exam today from a subject called Contemprorary Political History! Got 3 questions: ¤ Britain during the Interwar period ¤ Middle Eastern wars during the 60's ¤ Britain under Margaret Thatcher I think I'm sincerely going to start hating the British. I got a 7, and I almost had a mental breakdown.

This is beautiful. I've looked at this for 5 hours now

Normal girls with a time machine: "I gonna meet my grandmother". Me: Charles, this is Irene. Irene, this is Charles. You guys love each other! Now fuck.

I've always thought about this, thanks you

Nice seeing the audio quality has improved.

Whatifalthist: so uh Italy unites and everything falls apart. Monsieur Z: ROME RISES AGAIN AlternateHistoryHub: They get married. They have kids. Shit happens, idk what tho cant go more than 50 years in the future lmfao

Then I would become Greek.

What a fun n informative video. I love a good "What if."

What if Finland won the Heimosodat / Kindred Nations Wars doing the 1918s and managed to form Greater Finland, or atleast had partial success. Perhaps even managing to take Petersburg as Mannerheim so desired.

Ight so basically it's when your parents had a divorce when you were a kid but when your an adult they get back together?

You should do a part 2 to this alt history

Can you do an alternate Portuguese empire where they may, (like Britain), goes into a colonial frenzy after the loss of Brazil

The Muslims in the Middle East/North African provinces would break out into rebellion at some point

Nice video bro

Very nice

im wondering when you are going to do a part 3 of redesigning state flags

Wow, I had the same exact idea. Atleast for the point of divergence, well done.

The only alternative history I prefer to think about is the “6th Good Emperor”

What if Justinian did fully recovered old Rome?

Boring scenario: nothing happens. Mr.Z:

We have to have a part 2 PLEASE

Nice video

Emperor Aurelian would be proud

I love this! this has been my fantasy for years! What if rome had kept intact with all that ancient learning!

Before I watch prediction: Almost nothing changes The HRE & Byzantium had far too different cultures , different languages , different laws and customs , also the whole catholicism vs orthodoxy... They could be unuted for a few decades until they split again and go their separate ways The only thing i could see changing is that perhaps the two might have warmer diplomatic relations than before

Why would Portugal exist? Portugal's existence happened bc of two major factors, the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance and the Reconquista.

This is a good scenario but make a scenario of what if the Eastern Roman Empire survived. I know you made one of the "Byzantines" with Anatolia and Greece but I'm talking about an east Rome with the levant, egypt and north Africa as well as illyria. Perhaps if Emperor Maurice was not murdered by Phocas and war with Persia never resumed. He was a great soldier emperor, was preserving the economy, was quite competent, made peace with the persians and was uniting and strengthening the empire. He wouldn't keep useless territory like spain and some parts of Italy and was careful. If he hadn't been killed, the eastern roman empire would have been in a much better state, the Justinian Dynasty wouldn't have ended and the throne would be passed to his son (who I think had some experience with governing) averting any succession crisis. This means that the Roman's would probably be in a great condition to not get defeated at yarmouk perhaps. What do you think could happen next? Is this scenario a bit far fetched?

More of this please

What if Bulgaria won the Second Balkans War?

While the scenario for obvious reasons is a stretch, the thing i find interesting is that Charlemagne pushed the borders up to the elbe, augustus ideal borders. Creating a shorter frontier with outside invaders. This one advantage, while perhaps not enough to save this union, is certainly something the old rome did not have

What if league of the three emperors didn't dessolved

A good one would be what if Julian the apostate survived

Best timeline and you can't change my mind

Fascinating speculation. The champion of literacy wed to the champion of imagery. Ironically the only image of her besides coinage seems to be the one on the rood screen now in San Marco Cathedral in Venice, looted from Hagia Sophia by Italian Crusaders in 1204. The image shown here, one of a scant few surviving mosaics in Hagia Sophia, is the Empress Irene who built the nearby Church of Christ Pantocrater, now Zeyrek Mosque, in in 1136. It's her huge malachite tomb in the gallery, but I doubt she's still in it. I love this attention to our Empresses. Thanks for the video!

What if the United States annexed Cuba after the Spanish-American War?

how do you make such good flags? do you have someone who does them for you or do you do them yourself?

2:37 I think that is a painting of Irene of Hungary, not Irene of Athens.

*This is the biggest fanfic and crossover yet*

Good analysis. You briefly touched on the point I think is the most important one. Irene would've been almost fifty by the time she and Charlemagne were married, they would have no children and thus the united empire would pass to Charlemagne's children. While some of the (Eastern) Romans might've been okay being ruled jointly by one of their own and Charlemagne, I can't imagine they would've been okay being completely ruled by a foreign power. Particularly when that power was one of the Germanic tribes who took over the Western Roman Empire.

The one thing I don't get is how the roman legion-system gets rebuilt and everything goes along well enough for Rome 2: Frankish Bogaloo

Imagine the all the possibilities if two people pegged

Big fan!

Have you consideres making a video about Otto III? He does essentially is all of this, with the only factor curbing his ambition being dying young. If he lives longer and sired a successor with his bride Zoe, histroy could potentially go a similar course as proposed here, just that it'd be later, and that the Roman Imperial Union would have Poland, Hungary and Bohemia as junior partners. Mind you that Otto III reigned before the schism, meaning that his efforts could potentially avoid it, or alternatively alter it, with German, Italy, Poland, Bohemia and Hungary choosing the orthodoxe faith, moving the border between post-schism Christianity further west.

This is a much better version than whatifalthist’s video of the same scenario

I need a sequel to this that shows what happens after the next century comes around

What software do you use to make maps?

Would you kindly reupload your "What if Rapture was real?" video you on this channel years ago please?

I had an idea for an Scenario What if China modernize under the Qing Dynasty ?

Alternative name for the video: The empire strikes back

That's freaky, I was just playing Medieval 2 total war as the HRE and I was allied with the Byzantines for the whole game while uniting Western Europe.

What one of my favorite fanfiction

Nice

I love the ERE. That's why I'm part of the Byzantium Novum community

Do a video on what if the western Roman Empire survived !

I wonder how much an intellectual golden age would arise from reuniting all of the Mediterranean again; would today's technology be 100-200 years more advanced? Or unchanged since trade in the Mediterranean was already well established?

I think you should have used the version where it is Charlemagne's daughter and Irene's son that got married instead, with her sending him away to the west for sometime to avoid him. Then again I think she would be too paranoid to send him to another powerful Kingdom. Fuck it let me try something. Irene sends Constantine VI to Charlemagne to Marry his first daughter and keep him busy. In his years there he goes on Campaign with Charlemagne and gains some backbone, Charlemagne wanting to Impress the future Emperor campaigns too hard and gets his only legitimate son (Louis the Pious) killed (He still crushes the Franks and sends some of that as Gifts to Constantinople under himself and Constantine VI). He still wants to be Emperor and later gets Constantine VI to crown him Augustus of the Franks and Western Romans. Emperor of the West and Co-Emperor of Constantine VI in doing this he avoids giving the Church any position over him. Constantine IV not only has a backbone but has now gotten a loyal following of Franks with whom he retakes Constantinople after Irene is removed from power by her ministers. In recognition of his Grandson Theophilus (alt hist Constantine VI son) he wills his Empire over to Constantine VI and Theophilus. His illegitimate sons and some other Franks and Slavs rebel and Constantine VI leaves his son under the care of a Frankish general in Constantinople and goes to squash the rebellions and conquer Slavs and Avar remnants to the West. He is forced to stay in the Frankish portion of the Empire throughout while is son is raised in a mix of Frankish war traditions and Roman scholarly Tradition. Leading him in battle against the Arabs and the Bulgars. The East serves as a dumping ground for excess sons from West Frankia, fighting the Arabs. When Constantine VI dies, his Son succeeds him by going to the West. While leaving his own son in East, beginning an ad hoc succession Tradition. Theophilus would dream to connect the two halves of the Empire via land and Campaign against the Slavs of the Balkans relentlessly. Unlike his father however, Theophilus would birth several Children in the West who would war with him and gain favour and during his father's old age already planning on how to depose his brother. As soon as he got the Chance, he Campaigned against the Balkan Slavs and Bulgars, passifying them and from there sieging Constantinople, managing to get in through intrigue. Three generations of single successions has removed the idea of Gravel kind from the Imperial throne, while Gravelkind among the Nobels keeps them weak. The Roman resettling of the Balkans has started an the new Emperor, Paul now stays in the East to protect it from the Arabs. He would send a Greek general to put down Frankish revolts and he would succeed. ( As the Franks would be balknaized by Gravel Kind). Under overwhelming Roman superiority, the Bulgarians convert and focus mostly North. Paul would die in battle and be succeeded by a Son from the West who will kill all his brothers called Olaf the Bloody. He would go to the Eastern Empire with his body guard but later e assassinated by the Armenian general that was governing the East while he was killing his brothers. The East and West the almost simultaneously break into civil war. They only saved as the West reunified under the son of the Greek general that Paul sent to pacify the West. He sends his brother East to take the East, doing so again through intrigue as Paul still had supporters. A new dynasty is in now. The brothers rule and mostly don't disturb the other as they are fighting other wars and the brother in the East (under pressure) takes no wives. After the brother in the East goes the brother in the West goes East, leaving his son and family to secure the West. Generations of Franks ruling in the East has created a distinct Franko-Greek Population who are the Army around Constantinople. Who preserving some feudal view on power would eventually see themselves overthrow this second dynasty for their general, a role that had become semi-hereditary. The West however would see this family grow as Gravelkind became institutionalized in law for Franks, while the Imperial family was allowed to grow their lands. The Empire would manage another by keeping Junior (usually the son) and Senior Emperors at different sides of the Empire and using generals and armies from the other side of the Empire to control the other. After the reign of the brothers, the Western brother's son Porphyrogenitus would take over and he was the only legitimate son. He would use his cousin to take care of revolts by his bastard brothers while he started the process of reconquering the East. He would notice that the Frankish soldiers not around Constantinople had created a Feudal like organization in the borderlands. He would conquer a far as the upper Euphrates settling more Franks and Greeks in this pseudo Feudal system with a Feudal inheritance system beneath and a theme over them. The Franko-Greeks have begun adopting Roman inheritance systems, allowing them to grow power with the generations. Porphyrogenitus would be succeeded by Dikephorus who finally conquered the Bulgurs after they had been weakened by a joint force of Rus and Magyars who now began attacking around the Black Sea. Unfortunately as the power of the Western Greeks grew they would be able to amass centres of power while in the East the Franks there would be able to ally with Each other. The East Eventually goes into the hands of a Frankish dynasty and the West to a Greek dynasty

Oh God, it's so beautiful.

I like the fact that Portugal is just: mehh we are fine over here