TLDR : pretty much everyone has a better time, especially Angron because he gets to die At least its a better time till the Necrons wake up Grab the lord of the Night here : majorkill.com/ Or grab your ding dong here : www.patreon.com/majorkill

Majorkill you should make a video on the what the roles of each primarch would be if they all stayed loyal oh wait the mad lad actually fufilled my request thanks majorkill 😁

I imagine the difference between Dorn and Perty is Dorn would make a lot of functional things, he builds grand highways and space stations, while Perty builds amazing museums, galleries, aqariums, they work together to make the most effective pleasure world where Perty builds the things for pleasure and Rogal builds the ways to get from one to another, so members of the imperium can experience everything the planet has to offer in a short visit. This would together be their magnum opus, however they screwed up and didnt realise humans dont like to be rushed through a bunch of different things so nobody really visits the planet.

MajorKill: ‘What if Horus never betrayed the Emperor?’ Me: ‘Well, he’d have more hair for a start.’

Would love to hear more stuff like this. Such as what would've happened if Big-E didn't purge the Thunder Warriors after the Unification Wars, and kept them in cold storage as a trump card for something he couldn't rely on the Primarchs, Marines or Custodians for. Or if Ferrus managed to kill Fulgrim during the Dropsite Massacre.

I weirdly imagine Lorgar and angron would still transform into daemon primarchs after their death, as they would essentially be the only traitor primarchs, but without enough strength from daemons or mortals, they’d essentially be playing checkers in hell out of frustration for not being able to do anything meaningful

Small adjustments: Since Perty, Vulkan, and Ferrus would be best buds. I figured that their relationship develops fast enough that they develop the technology to remove Angron's Butcher's Nails and free him from his suffering. As he is set free from his accursed condition, his rage slowly but surely fades. Wrath replaced by remorse, brutality replaced a soothing calm nature, and finally fulfilling his destiny as the one to rehabilitate Fulgrim from his madness. Angron: Brother, that lust, those extreme emotions you feel, are they not poison to you? Fulgrim, unable to answer properly looks around the Golden Halls of the Palace of the Emperor, sweating and fidgeting. Angron notices Fulgrim's mannerisms, and recalls his past fits of rage. Fulgrim then asks: Brother, how did you ever recover from what happened to you? What happened to all of the slaves you fought beside? To all of your sons having those abominable nails forced upon their heads? Agron then answers: I haven't, and I never will. But now that I am free from the Butcher's Nails, I can help others be free from the sadness and rage they feel... And I can help you, that is most important to me now. We couldn't save Lorgar from himself and Chaos, but I can bring you towards the warmth that is Humanity's light against the darkness of Chaos. Fulgrim, in tears. As the Angron he knew, would never utter such sincere and kind words before. Fulgrim: I.... Brother, can I truly be saved? Can I truly be free? Am I worthy to be free? Angron: We are brothers, we are family, we are free. It's just up for you to decide when you take flight again, Phoenecian and Lord of the Emperor's Children. Fulgrim at a loss of words again, hugs Angron tightly. Angron, hugs Fulgrim back patting his back and kissing Fulgrim's forehead. Angron: It will take a long time for you to heal, let alone be free. But I will be here, now let us meet Father. He told us there was a disturbance somewhere in the farthest regions of the Galaxy, oddly enough. A world was completely deprived of its natural life... Angron and Fulgrim walk inside the Golden Halls of the Imperial Palace, as the Phoenecian and as the newly appointed Emperor's Compassion... Also the other change would be that because the Orks have been driven to near extinction, they would get a sudden burst of technological advancements and evolve rapidly in a couple hundred years. Becoming Demi-Krorks, adding fuel to the Necrons deciding the Imperium as a designated enemy of all Necrons. The Eldar's magical prowess being far more powerful now that Slaneesh is deprived of any source of "nutrition". The Tau would catch up to Necron and Imperium technology alike, some Xeno races inside of the Tau Empire begin to slowly adapt to more robust features as an incoming war that would dwarf the galaxy as a whole was approaching, Chaos decides to have a truce, something that would never happen. But now that they are desperate for power, band under a single banner under Chaos. The Emperor, would nowhere near be as powerful as he is in the current lore. Seek out powerful Psykers such as Eldrad to aid him in the quest of power not for himself, but for the Imperium at large. With the Emperor, Malcador, Magnus, Eldrad, and more powerful Psykers reaching to a singular conclusion. The Emperor's ascension to Godhood, but of the Material Realm and Immaterium. It would take them thousands of years to even achieve a fraction of canon Big E's power, but it woud be necessary. For soon, Mars would face the greatest Ctan to ever exist. The Void Dragon rapidly advances the technological prowess of Mars, feeding off of its technology, knowledge, and faith. Only the most powerful of Psykers would notice the sudden surge of rumbles inside Mars being the Void Dragon freeing itself from the shackles of Mars and the Emperor. But it is too late, the Void Dragon was now at the core of Mars. Absorbing its energy and momentarily stops Mars rotation. At the moment, the Emperor orders the evacuation of Mars. He and other psykers make a portal directly inside the Human Webway for the Adeptus Mechanicus, then BANG! Mars explodes in a violent and disastrous way that parts of it enters the Webway, killing many Adeptus Mechanicus members and civilians alike. But that was not the worst of it, for the Void Dragon is free. With a loud roar, it awakens all slumbering Ctan shards and wandering Ctans in the Galaxy. The Silent King, quickly moves as he fears the worst would come for his people, the rage of the Ctan. All TombWorlds light up in a jade green glow, awakening all soldiers of war that they needed, but it was not enough. He had to unite the still egotistical Necrons, finding it difficult but would soon succeed. After thousands of years, it has begun. The Necron Empire has resurfaced, the Tau Empire advances in its technology and military power, the Eldar lead by Eldrad and Yvraine the Visarch of Ynnead, the Orks now Demi-Krorks marches towards Terra and Eldar MaidenWorlds, Chaos planning to breach the Human Webway and the Eldar Webway, the Ctan's revenge in motion, and now the appearance of Tyrannid forces. Welcome to the 41st Millenium, welcome to the War for Heaven and Hell. For in the grim darkness of the 41st Millenium, there can only be and only will ever be... *War*

People may argue that the Emperor killing his sons would be more grimdark and therefore more fitting. But I feel that the loss of what could have been makes the current setting even more tragic

I actually prefer this over official one. Tau-Eldar-Imperium vs United Necrons sounds way more epic than everyone killing other shitshow in galaxy atm. Also Chaos gods putting their force on a single banner might cause some batshit crazy war aswell. Top of that tyranids coming in picture it would be a glorious 4 way war. I would not be sad for Orks, they would go with bang fighting against greatest force in the galaxy. But it could be really interesting if their regression will be cured somehow. Great video as always Majorkill

1:58 TTS Magnus the Red: "Oh wow Ullanor. It seems that Orks spores weren't properly disposed of. It really proves that the Ork genome can survive through anything even toxic emissions from atrocious family reunions that not even Vulkan can regenerate from those!"

I'm surprised he forgot to mention Ahriman's vineyard that could be a renowned galactic Wine that the Tau Ethereals, Fulgrim, and the Eldar could enjoy. it could be called Château de Ahriman

Can we get a part 2 of “can a single space marine legion beat warhammer fantasyI wanna see what happens when they get guardsman and another chapter involved

I love the idea of Tau and the imperium as Tau tech could help replace things lost in the age of strife and humanity could let Tau use the webway. Mabey access to the wider galaxy could inspire the Tau to overthrow the ethereals

I also heard from somewhere that the Custodes were the preview of what the Emperor wanted humanity to become one day, so imagine the entirety of the Imperium’s population becoming as powerful as a baseline Custodes

I'm a huge fan of the Roboutian Hersey...so in my mind Guilliman would've and it would've went the same way as Arthus did in Warcraft.

Idea : how did the primarchs view the xenos, did they hate them or respect them?

I think The Great Khan would even travel into the deep space and than returns to warn against the tyraninds or even meet with silent king

Theoretical: Angron wouldn't die to the nails because the Eldar wouldn't see a future with the Horus Heresy, thus wouldn't self-fulfil the prophecy that leads him to become who he did Practical: Eldar are dicks and get their visions jank all the time and follow them blindly, so would've probably left Angron defenseless to the slavers anyways

isn't Vulkan something like "the door guardian" ? like the shield to protect humanity ? in the same vain, isn't Magnus the one than was supposed to sit on the golden throne ?

I genuinely think the emperor would have purged the mechanicum of Mars because it's stated somewhere in the lore of leviathan dreadnoughts that the emperor was making his own terran tech to maybe overthrow their religion of machine God

We need a continuation of this time-line: unified Imperium vs unified Necrons while Tyranids sneak in for a reach-around

Man when I started to think about this I completely forgot about the necrons like they would be a real menace to a unified galaxy at least until the bugs of dead arrive and everyone is focus on that

Video ideas: Grey knights vs custodes Kharn vs Lucius Top 10 things that should happen in the future of 40k (ex return of the lion, Ghazgskull finishing his calling, exploration of the ghoul stars, Ahriman getting into the black library) More unknown 40k lore

I think this is a good setup for a Lorgar Heresy fanfic where the Word Bearers serve Chaos in secret for much longer, planting cults on nearly every Imperial world. So a fuckhuge war still happens but rather than conventional set piece battles and "good guys vs. bad guys" you have the Imperium turning on itself and characters fighting each other due to lack of trust and paranoia

Would love to see what if Guilliman allied with the Farsight Enclaves.

I believe it is canon that Sanguinius was SUPPOSED to take the roll of Emperor of the galaxy and Corvus Corax was to be the law enforcer and Magnus is supposed to sit on the Golden Throne

I imagine ahriman working with some of the space wolves to make line of alcoholic beverages for space marines and eventually opening a bar, that would be wholesome and hilarious to see a bar run by space marines.

The Emperor would more than likely maintain the Astartes at some basic garrison level. The galaxay may end up pacified and united, with peace and prosperity, but the Tyranids just show that there are potential external threats to be found no matter what. Plus, you would need to keep the process of converting humans into Astartes going so it's known how hard the process is, how much of a sacrifice it is, and what an honor it is. Otherwise once the horrors of the process become known again if you have to restart their production when a new intergalactic threat shows itself it would destroy moral. You would need to maintain that warrior culture to draw upon when needed.

Personally I would love to see all these events unfold in a couple of shortstories as an alternate timeline kind of deal. Would be nice to see a non-grimmdark version of the imperium and primarchs that could have been.

The lost Primarchs would find each other and hug they look up from a planet and see a party space ship with all their brothers and a huge banner that reads welcome home

2:59 "hey Perty you literally understand how everything works, so can you help us take apart and repurpose Angron's nails into a functioning brain?"

5:37 Rogal Dorn and Perturabo when they make construction projects together and are good at it: "MOOD KINDRED!"

Imagine custodes kitten fight side by side with shadow sun against necrons

I don't think the Xenos would be so friendly with the Imperium unless the Emperor made efforts to change the culture. I also don't think that we can completely rule out the Tyranids since the Silent King came back to the Milky Way to defend against them. I do think you would see a far more ordered galaxy, without the religious cult. I think that Chaos isn't going to just give up though. I think they would turn more attention to interfering in the Imperium. Maybe inspiring a different kind of civil war. A lot of the Primarchs are emotional weirdos and easily led to anger and jumping to conclusions. Although I don't think such an insurrection would last very long or put the Galaxy into flames like the Heresy did.

There still would have been a Heresy in one way or another considering that the Emperor wasn’t able to mend his relationship with many of his sons like Cruze, Angorn, Morty, and Lorgar. Some of his sons were already being affected by Chaos like Fulgrim and Magnus, while Lorgar was practically worshiping them in secret. There was enough family drama within the Imperium that would have started a Civil War, and Horus staying loyal wouldn’t have changed that, though it would have changed the sheer scale of destruction that could have happen.

I want to hear your thoughts on what would have happened if Horus won? Like in your previous video, you talk about what the traitor legion and Horus should have done. Part 2 that, and if they did, what happens next? Also, who is the most underrated traitor primarch? I think it is a toss up between Pertie and Lorgar. And also, I really want Konrad to still be alive

I found this alternate timeline far more interesting than most of the alternate Heresies and would love a part two diving deeper into the possiblities of this Imperium. Would the Inquisition and the Grey Knights exist without the Heresy?

If this happens i guess orks gods would stop fighting against each other and power-up orks to krork level because there are stronger enemies now.

I love the post Great crusade role

I just got into 40k lore and your videos are some of my favorite. The jokes and accent make it pretty entertaining 😂

With the new Chaos book coming out lets get some lore deep diving into some of the Traitor legions perspective on the heresy or maybe reactions/ interactions with other 40k Factions

Horus would probably be the one to die instead of the Emperor, and the Emperor would spend the next 10K years moping about his death.

Missed opportunity to edit a righteous mullet onto horus every time he’s on screen

Majorkill’s channel has been getting _way_ better lately. The sponsored segments, the Patreon plugs, the jokes, etc are all massively improved from before he started using a camera. It’s kind of wild.

Dorn and Pert ending up as real bros is probably the part I like the most, their rivalry (while petty much of the time) is understandable. Despite Perturabo being whiny child through the Crusade it would be good to see him not only getting to do what he loved but finding a kindred soul in Dorn (and probably Sanguinius as well with his penchant for the arts for its own merit [vs Fulgrim’s take])

"Vulcan would be the master of hugs" Yea, Yea, he would.

Ah yes, the age-old question is what would happen if you gave horus a HIMS subscription.

You know if they wanted to show Guilliman's isolation better they could have it so that he's shown to be trying to learn to do some of this brothers abilities. Like he's never been super techy so have him try, and probably fail, to understand something built by Vulkan or Dorn. Added benefit you can add marines form other chapters around him with the excuse that they're advisors and gain more representation for less popular chapters. The Iron Hands seem to need all the help they can get.

I highly doubt perturabo and dorn would become besties coz of their building talents due to the fact perturabo is petty and he doesn't respond well to competition even the healthy kind . Remember he had a meltdown after his adopted brother in olympia crafted a better statue than his and he threw a huge fit afterwards.

0:44 I thought the Primarchs would be sent to their big rooms of their designated number at the Imperial Palace after their role in the Great Crusade is over.

Man it is great to see the incredible improvement in video production and overall better content majorkill is uploading these days compared to his older videos (which are also still good)

How would the Dark Angels have fallen if the instigation for Luther's betrayal wasn't there to begin with? Remember that he was being played by Typhus and Erebus, while the Heresy had already started. Luther wouldn't have betrayed Lion and he wouldn't have been sent back to Caliban , so no bad blood would have festered.

instead of Horus, lorgar is bound to get his hand “Bloody”

6:36 The Man-Emperor of Mankind should have given Konrad a shrink qualified enough to deal with his hot mess. And that shrink is Alucard.

Ah yes, the Nightknights, infamous eighth brigade of the diefied king's space marines

I would love to see this as a book series.

I’d like to imagine that Jaghatai would be the host for the Imperium’s Top Gear

Your pumping out these videos like crazy dude, really appreciate it, keep it up brother

still cant get over the new camera magic UGHHH its so good

Probably humanity would be in the web way, after the few legions that were going to turn regardless were dealt with. Horus didn't doom humanity. Magnus did. However you'd HOPE the idiot wouldn't do what he did if it wasn't for horus. But who knows, maybe he would have tried space doordash on terra anyway.

This is a very interesting topic. I have to wonder what would have been the fate of many other characters, from Malcador to various space marines and mortals. Like, what would Kharn's fate would have been, what about Sigi or if the Grey Knights or the Inquisition would exist.

Noblebright Imperium with all 20 Primarchs would have been completely insane after 1000 years. Imagine what Ferrus, Perturabo, Dorn and Guilliman could build.

The Astartes would act more as a constabulary as a mix of internal SWAT, border guards and spec ops troops. Re: the Necrons, the Imperium would have regained technology over 10k years to more match them with the side issue of potentially waking them earlier. Re: the Tyranids, if they got attracted or even in the current lore, IMO it will be found that the later waves are vastly weakened as they are engaged in a civil war for the only resources available. Each other. There is plenty of evidence that the supreme Tyranid Hive Overmind is semi mythical since Hive fleets show hostility to each other on sight.

Your upload schedule has been amazing lately, and I also had an idea. The tyranids came because of the faris device, which was a super powerful beacon. Does this mean Tyranids are less old than Necrons? Because they didn’t notice “the war in heaven”

If you had an option of having a singular device to enter canon of Warhammer 40K universe, what would be this device be and how it would work? Also idea for a video, what if Angron and Roboute Guilliman had their planets where they landed upon switched?

Dude thank you so fucking much for your Knights who like to go out at Night. been dying for it

Great take on this!

Reminds me of that part in the Waking Dead when Rick imagined what would happen if the zombies stopped existing or if they never happened. I haven’t seen it in afew years ok so my idea on the lore is abit off

Wait, considering perte basically knows how any form of technology works, why couldn't he have helped with angron?

The new background looks amazing Majorkill!

Please do an episode about the outside of the galaxy. I remember that some imperial ship began travel there and the the warp of it is just chaotic energies, no gods

If the big E could possibly revive Ferrus from just his head, I'm sure Angron and the other dead primarchs would be revived

Can you do the Legions’ Flagships or Emperiums Void Ships!

This seems like a pretty good concept for a what if story in 40k. I don't expect the main timeline to change at all but it would be a kick to get a glimpse of some of the dead/corrupt primarchs and how they would respond to modern issues.

Well, I can only hope that our Hole Horse gets Emperor grade hair transplant so he can have long flowing blonde hair.

Now, I want to see what would happen if the drop site massacre was thwarted and stopped before it began.

Another great video. Where did u get that night lord pic. Awesome

How about a video on how each legion preferred to fight its battles? Like obviously you’ve got some like the White Scars that just go vroom or the Raven Guard that are sneaky but what about the fighting styles, tactics, and combat mindsets of the other legions. Your channel got me into Warhammer so thanks for everything

I'm a massive fan of the Night Lords myself, and I'm not ashamed to say I jumped at the chance to buy that model. Keep up the amazing work on your videos

Here's another 'what if' suggestion. What if the Emperor died in the way Guilliman predicted during the Heresy. Would the Imperium Secundus Project have been successful? 🤔

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: characters who could, in a lore friendly way, kill Abaddon and bring an opportunity for a new Warmaster. Just having Bobby G kill him would be too easy, let's face it, but someone has to do it if we're ever to see Warmaster Huron I'll throw one out right now: Castellan Garran Crowe of the Grey Knights. Not only do the Grey Knights have the Emperor's own gene seed, making this almost a second generation duel between Horus and the Emperor, but both men carry daemon swords, making the fight that much more close.

I'm pretty new when it comes to Warhammer 40k. But you're videos Major kill have been something I enjoy a ton, so much so that I'll be trying this hobby out. I'll be spending my 21st birthday by getting myself my first every Warhammer 40k set, the starter set elite edition 😎. I might even buy some of those sick custom minis you show in your videos if I really enjoy the painting and assembling. Have a good one.

That mini looks sick dude im def getting 2 for sure!

This is a great question and love the answer!

Aye. If the Horus Heresy didn't happen, then Lorgar, Angron and maybe Fulgrim and Mortarion would still be on the chopping block due to their exposure to chaos, resentment to the Emperor, or because they were to ill to keep going like Angron was.

GREAT VID MAN

What would have happened if chaos sat their ass? We would have had primarch as roommates

Appreciate the frequency of uploads mr.cracked Australian 👍🏻

its likely lorgar may start up an actual haresy maybe do something to angron before he dies turnin him into a daemon in secret. Also remember that lorgar was building the fuck up in a peacful imperuim its likely that he would simply continue to do that but even more and use chaos to hide most of it. Lorgar is a much larger threat then you think. Considering he would likely cause fulgrim to fully fall before the emps would notice and he could likely take advantage of morties hate for psykers to have him also be allied. With enough time to build up in secret they would actually be a real threat its the alpha legion and the raven gaurd thats a threat to this. If they find out its game over if they dont its actually a pretty good chance that they do some crazy shit and break the webway project

3:50 art like this always makes me giggle. if she is a psysker active in the astra militarum that means she has been soul bound to the golden throne. No one save inqusitors are that perfect looking using their powers. She would be blind, mute or some other deformity after getting that close to the throne

I actually really like the idea of mortarion and the death guard being the force that would fight chaos when ever is showed up just imagine being a cultist and seeing mortarion and the guard slowly coming forward killing any other cultist in there way.

Basically saying my favorite 40k theory is that everything would be ok

What if Majorkill was a Primarch 😆

This was good! Part 2?

Hey question, can you do more videos like this? Your personality is so enjoyable, and your extremely funny. So I was hoping that you could do more stuff like this.

If Horus never betrayed the Man-Emperor of Mankind, then Chaos will go find another Primarch to fall and become the new Arch-Traitor in his place. For example: 1. Roboute Guilliman - Roboutian Heresy 2. Rogal Dorn - Dornian Heresy 3. Magnus the Red - Cyclopean Heresy 4. Sanguinius - Sanguinary Heresy 5. Lion E'l Jonson - Lionel Heresy 6. Fulgrim - Death of Unity: Fulgrimian Heresy 7. Vulkan - Volcanic Heresy 8. Lorgar - Lorgar's Discovery, Lorgar's Betrayal

Now I wanna see what would happen if the Big E never formed the imperium

That mini is perfect for my Dark Angel successors! I'm using a lot of the Knight Lords iconography for my Knights of Mortis, Wicked sweet Majorkill!!!!

Would love to see a video on chaos guardsmen regiments, not sure how much lore there is on the topic but thought it could be interesting

The new format is seperb, my dude. I didn't like the change from the first one, to be honest, but this is a step in great direction! Love ya vids, miss timmy...