Maybe you could add some of your own maps into the videos? It'd help the audience to better comprehend the changes that have happened, and it's also a chance to put more personality into your video

@@nedaszukovas40 I'll be including more maps in future videos, you're right they do improve the quality of the videos. I felt how I wrote the script for this one didn't really accommodate for the use of maps,.

0:27 "The religious movement that Muhammad had began..." (had BEGUN! It's a past participle, not simple past. We say begin, began, has begun, had begun. Some patterns are stranger like I run, I ran, I have run, I had run. It seems to go back to the present tense but it really didn't.)

i would only have to disagree with italy in the olt in 663 Constans nearly conquered beveneto with an actual empire the south most likely falls and Constans II migth be able to retake the peninsula

@@HistorysInfluence Please I just watched the video and it didn't focus on Africa much particularly West Africa. Please comment. I want to hear your thoughts on this. Personally I think West Africa would've been Catholic and more Western.

Perfecto.

@@theveryproudmoroccan2834 I prefer our North African Maghrebi Arabiain لهجتنا المغاربية وحدها 🇹🇳🌹🇲🇦🇩🇿🇲🇷🇱🇾

@@theveryproudmoroccan2834 giga Byzantine 😯😯😯

You forgot about Amazigh (berber), the native language of the Maghreb, it would've been much more alive and still the majority language there while north African romance to a lesser degree, most likely being a prestigious language spoken by the upper class similar to french in north Africa nowadays.

@@bumblebee777 true 👌

Good point, without the harshness of the Reconquista Spanish culture would be noticeably different from our own timeline, and the structure of the society too, as it won't be one built from reconquest.

Interesting point of view. Late Medieval Spain definitely had an expansionist mentality due to its gradual emergence from the centuries of war that were the Reconquista. That mentality did much to fuel its aggressive expansion and colonization of the New World. So if the Spanish and Portuguese were never conquered by the Moors in the seventh century and were just mostly left in peace throughout the Middle Ages (with the Pyrenees Mountains being a great natural barrier to any attacks from the French side), then they would have either colonized the New World more peacefully and gradually OR some other European power would have done so instead. So maybe Latin America would be speaking French, English or Dutch instead of Spanish and Portuguese.

@@HistorysInfluence Yes. The Aztecs nearly beat the Spanish in our timeline. In fact Cortez was under strict orders by the Queen to NOT strike at kings (to the point where he had to burn down his own ships to force other Spaniards to fight for him). Meaning, without the Spanish setting a precedent, expect cultures like the Mayans, Aztecs, and Incas to survive much better.

Yes but they would still die due to diseases like chickenpox Spanishpox (dunno heard that term somewhere) And influenza as they had basically NO defense against those viruses and one big enough spark of it could wipe out entire populations

Hmmm yes, blame genocides done by Christian to muslim. Yea this is totally logical 😂

I prefer our North African Maghrebi Arabiain لهجتنا المغاربية وحدها 🇹🇳🌹🇲🇦🇩🇿🇲🇷🇱🇾

@@malekaltayari3936 cringe

Sure is!

@@malekaltayari3936 berber nationality yes but not muslim

@@malekaltayari3936no! I prefer Punic

Might be true on the Nestorian point, from what I was aware of tho was that it was just a Mesopotamia focused thing (which was the location of their capital to be fair). Regarding the other ideas you've mentioned, I have a bit of a fascinatiion with Human pre-history so a Bering Straight concept or something along those lines would be interesting.

@@HistorysInfluence Alright, Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I would love to see something like that. Also Altas pro's video on "Lost continents" might be a good source of inspiration for such what ifs too

Thanks Neatling, I really appreciate the support from your channel.

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Christianity doesn't completely replace Islam in this time line so no, yes countries like Egypt Syria Lebanon Jordan and Palestine would be christian countries but countries like Indonesia would probably be Buddhist and countries like Pakistan would probably be hindu, countries like Iraq and Iran

@@peace2033 okay, 1st its Isreal not Palestine according to un, ik its also called palatine. 2nd yes, The middle east was full of Aramaic speakers before some genocide, they got converted to Christianity MANY MANY MANY years ago, like before Islam, referring to 4:33. I personally am a Chaldean, I speak Aramaic, bla bla bla... anyway im from Iraq and if Islam never existed Iraq would have a majority of people in the Catholic Church of the East. baseicly the whole middle east that isn't Persians would have religions from the past before the islamic people screwed things up. Like the people from Yemen and Oman weren't even that arab believe it or not, and Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, those places weren't arab, some Lebanese dont even consider themselves Arab. that place was once a place where earlier Semitic people thrived. Now The other countries like Indonesia and Pakistan and etc. yeah they would probably be Hindu or Buddhist. I just wanted to let you know from a person middle east decent. p.s Jesus spoke Aramaic 🤯

oh cant forget about Hebrew and Jewish they would be more there because the Arab's wouldn't "threaten them" and the People ruling the area would be Assyrians, Decedents of the Neo Babylonians and etc. Jewish and Christianity only have differences regarding the new testament and Jesus, including more, too many to list. It is possible the "Aramaic's" I'm gonna say for now might've not liked the Jewish, Forcing the Jewish to leave, and if Hitler did what he did, well then :/ oops, he he 😓 I pray for the people in that terrible event..

@@SuperPro0910 I think Lebanon and Syria would still be speaking Arab even if they are not concidered Arab because of the Ottomans mixing it up.

You mean Catholicism? Because there would be no Eastern Orthodoxy.

Cool ideA

SIII!!! 🇨🇴

Asuxm empire was ethnically diverse plus you would’ve anyways have a ethnic diverse country no matter what

It did the same for me as well lol

Thank you for the support, I appreciate it.

I think that would make sense, a Byzantine/Neo-Byzantine + Orthodox Slavs vs Western Europe type situation. I think whatifalthist's Islam video had that type of concept in it.

@@HistorysInfluence His video on what if the Byzantines survived was also similar in that regard

Christianity doesn't completely replace Islam in this time line so no, yes countries like Egypt Syria Lebanon Jordan and Palestine would be christian countries but countries like Indonesia would probably be Buddhist and countries like Pakistan would probably be hindu, countries like Iraq and Iran would be zondarantist, and countries like Saudi Arabia would be hanif.

@@peace2033 arabia was pagan at the time when Islam came not hanif. Very very small minority were hanifs at the time if at all.

I doubt we would've had a schism if islam didn't exist

@The Yugoslavian they believe He was but a man, that He was not God, nor did He bring salvation to humanity through His sacrifice. Thus they are lost.

@The Yugoslavian by definition a pagan is someone who is not a Christian, Jew or Muslim, your comment makes no sense.

Personally I believe most Modern faiths come from god in some form, just made for different peoples, times, and places. Though, ff the same is true for Hinduism for example, it's likely that it's just been distorted over 1000s of years. I don't think God would Dam Billions to hell just for not being aware of his exist or his teachings, and/or being taught overwise. That isn't exactly fair, and God IS fair, so it must be true that the rules for going to heaven or hell are a lot less restricted, or at the very least based on someone's intentions and actions. For example, who do you think should go to heaven? a Malicious person who happens to be a Christian? or a Muslim who has done righteous things such as help people avoid sin and help those in need?

@@wires-sl7gs Read David Bentley Harts book "All shall be saved"

DEUS VAULT DEUS VAULT

That's a good point I didn't consider. I knew generally the arabs were continuing the work of the Persians, but not about that actual library in particular.

And Gondi/jondi Shapur University

If we didn't exist maybe something else other than democracy might come instead in minds of these weirdos in europe, if we didn't exist it would be such a big change that many things would be different that it may lead to no democracy for instance being preferred system in much of europe.

Didn't the Mongols also conquer China? What if a part of the group that becomes the Golden Horde converted to either Orthodoxy and Manichaeism?

"Turkey but on steroids" bruh Greece would remain closely the same, The nomad empires would still take Anatolia, no empire remains forever, neither do borders, islam or not the Turks, Mongols and Tatars have to settle somewhere eventually

In alternative world there's some person in that world Would want to say the same thing as you and want to live in this world

@@hornerfarah2282 no

I agree Adam.

@@peace2033 how you know that ?? You people are just delusional

@@hornerfarah2282 who would rather live in a world where a cult destroyed the middle east and is currently destroying the west?

Good question. I suppose the mistreatment of Jews would still occur in Europe, which may eventuate in the Jews wishing to return to a homeland, then some global colonial power may grant that wish. It's so dependant on so many factors I'm honestly not sure if it would end up happening or not.

@@HistorysInfluence okay👍

Cheers. Good question on Mansu Musa. The butterfly effect part of me wants to say he would never exist, but if he did, perhaps Christian influences spreading from North Africa to the West Africa region would cause such a man to go on the holy Pilgrimage you described.

Say unfortunately it kills disbelievers and abuses women

@@Ayushgraphy yep... You are what I consider an IQ drop alert.

@@mujwardakyou are also the low iq not only them. afterall the caliphates were just dying anyways like the ussr.

@@Ayushgraphyoh shut up man this is nonsense

@@Ayushgraphy oh how much I enjoy the notion that the mere existence of Islam hurt the egos of people like you. You have a lot on us to prove to you, whereas we have no obligations to prove our principles to you. Lol literally none what so ever...

Typical naivetes

exactly

What is your alphabet called?

@@Zeyede_Seyum glagolitic

Let me adress a little misinformation ur sharing which is "muqdisho was found by persian settlers" well thats unhistorical and its roots go back to an italian scholar called enrico cerulli who apparently saw this on a manuscript called 'kitab al zunuj" which is already discredited by historians and apparently its only him who saw it. Now primary sources like ibn battuta when he visited there he mentioned that the ruler there is local who speak their own language and arabic.

You would have said the same thing if north Africa didn't get conquered by arabs

@@eternal_riftz8801 Why should North Africa become Latin . North Africa has it's Afroasiatic Identity and close to the middle East even in the ancient world

@@malekaltayari3936 why latin invade Africa u wrong boy

No. Zoroastrian could be already the major force in the Gulf region especially Iraq. Christianity do not have much the guts to make Arabia part of their empire or majority religion.

​@P1utia Christianity naturally spreads, it was doing so in Persia before the Islamic conquests

There was never a islamic golden age

Surely the worst timeline

@HistorysInfluence because both Christianity and Islam are having a big influence to our world today Oh btw can you make a video what if South Korea wins the Korean War?

I think I mentioned something about Zunists in the video lol. But overall I feel Afghanistan remaining Iranian in culture and being Zoroastrian/Buddhist. The other Stan countries would likely be Zoroastrian, but also if Russia does what it does, I believe the Zoroastrians will be more susceptible to Christianity than the muslims were in our timeline.

@@HistorysInfluence interesting, thank you. I’m looking forward to later content.

@@HistorysInfluence Eastern Afghanistan with Kabul river basin was actually Indian in culture. They were Hindu and Buddhist. Even our Sanskrit language was written in Afghanistan. Many of our pilgrimages existed in Afghanistan. Kandahar or Gandhar is a core part of our religious texts. Ashoka's edicts and idols are frequently found there even today.

Manichaeism

Just uploaded an Indo-European video. Afro asiatic, or Bantu, or Austronesian would be great to do as well.

Did u know that kalid nearly killed Muhammad at the battle of ohod

WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING AGAINST GREATEST POWER IN THE PRIME OF MANKIND burn thee for heracy.

@@JTL1776 those thou question the power of mexico

OH BOY DO I QUESTION IT.@@elcompagenito3250 i seam to remember looking at history oh wait mexico went from aztec to Spanish to kinda independent to FRENCH puppet to getting ass kicked by texas then won a few battles then got their mestizo assess kicked so hard by the usa 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 that they barely fought back when we took 2/3rds of their land mexico is one of only a few nations that for about 70 to 80% of the existence they been ruled or essentially at the whim and control of a western nation.

@@JTL1776 you know what, you have a point there pall

Thanks man. I will definitely be doing a confederate victory alternate history.

@@HistorysInfluence Oh really?! What a coincidence. I want to see it very soon. :)

This also depends a lot on how far Christianity has spread into Africa by the time colonialism comes around. In this scenario it is assumed that colonialism takes place at a later date. By this point the West Africa coastal tribes may have adopted Christianity which makes it harder for Europeans to justify slavery since they are enslaving a fellow believer.

Yeah right 😂😂😂

@@justus4341Nah, i'd argue it would still happen earlier at some point. Since Islamic caliphates and sultanates disrupted the process of colonization anyways and usually collapses and dies eventually whenever its weakened. The problem isnt about Islam but geopolitics is one of the common problem without this religion, since there would be big changes on this instead on the history.

Islam and any religion never endorse slavery, what you talking about is culture and the thing that human made

@@Aripuni1 u drunk?

yes lol

Its not the Islam golden age, its Persian Golden Age for god's sake

@@P1utia Abbasid are not Persian

@@P1utiapershit don’t even have a country though 😂😂😂

@@AL_AFGHANI1Bro stop being such a pro-OIC idiot. There are already Persian empires prior to the caliphates growing.

History's Influence, thanks for the heart.

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Nope

@@AL_AFGHANI1 judging from your pfp you'd most likely be a Buddhist

You probably didn't watched the video especially from 12:19. If it wasn't for Islam then you won't be writing this nonsense. The first scientist, even according to secular historians, was a Muslim by the name of Hasan ibn Haythem who developed the modern scientific method. During the Golden Age of Islam, Muslims were economically, politically, militarily and technologically far ahead of most of the world whilst Europe was in Dark Age. West has taken a lot from the Muslim world. It was the justice and tolerance of Islam that made science flourish and awoke Europe from Dark Age giving birth to European Renaissance. Professor Thomas Arnold writes that the European Renaissance originated in Islamic Spain: *Muslim Spain had written one of the brightest pages in the history of Medieval Europe. Her influence had passed through Provence into the other countries of Europe, bringing into birth a new poetry and a new culture, and it was from here that Christian scholars received what of Greek philosophy and science they had to stimulate their mental activity up to the time of the Renaissance.* *- The Preaching of Islam: A History of the Propagation of the Muslim Faith by Thomas Arnold, p. 131* Translations of Arabic works on science were made for almost three centuries, starting from the 10th to the 13th century and gradually spread throughout Europe. Professor George Saliba penned a book on this very topic and stated that: *There is hardly a book on Islamic civilization, or on the general history of science, that does not at least pretend to recognize the importance of the Islamic scientific tradition and the role this tradition played in the development of human civilisation in general.* *- George Saliba, Islamic Science and the Making of the European Renaissance, Massachusetts, 2007, p. 1*

@@moizahmed4705 well at first there were many scientists in Asia especially in ancient India thousands of years before Islam was a thing . But your so called morden scientists are just too afraid to admit that. you can google about the scientific discoveries that took place in India Example: plastic surgery, value of pi π And if we talk about Europe it was never a prosperous place to begin with they are where they are because of the wealth they stole from Asia and Africa. The only thing Europeans were ever good at was divid and rule All Islam gave to the world is terrorism and narrow minded mentality (bullshit like flat Earth, 72 hoors) .In 1193, the Nalanda University was destroyed by the Islamic fanatic Bakhtiyar Khilji.Nalanda was the first university ever which had students from around the globe and was a home to 10000 students. Bakhtiyar khilji massacred all students and teachers living there.He wasn't even satisfied with that, then he decided to burn the whole university which burnt the for 3 months ( guess what took this much time to burnt ) 9 million manuscript were burnt which had answers to all the questions which the morden science struggle to deal with. You people follow a man who married a 7 year old girl and had sex with her at the age who 9 (he was in 50s). Believe it or not all three abrahamic religion just spread hate in this world has conducted massacres.while Islam being the best at this job you people are the one's who will lead the world to it's demise.

@@rishabhsharan481 Christianity and Judaism are okay its just Islam that is notorious enough for these atrocities. Christianity has atrocities too, but atleast they have paid reparations or apologized alltogether, meanwhile Islam didnt. As a Muslim its kinda ironic for me.

@@P1utia what are you trying to say please elaborate.

@@rishabhsharan481 I've referred to Christianity's atrocities and homophobia are already been apologized, while Islam didnt apologized because of Monarchs.

Maybe it could have happened 100 years after or 200 years before we don't know

The Renaissance was mostly due to Mongol invasion related spillover. Even if Islam never existed renaissance would have been inevitable in the early years because of many outside factors, including the heavy incompetencies and instability of Islamic Golden Age.

so, we ignoring all the other atrocities they did or?

​@redcrown5154 dude look at the atrocities that the russia s are doing right now?

This cant be real because the first muslim (monotheis that believe in god) is adam (the first modern human), from youtube comment you see they dont understand islam they think islam start from muhammad but its not, so technically without islam modern human never exist, we not gonna exist

Not necessarily they would still be like that in the modern world and etc.

@@P1utia Christianity is pretty idolatrous, and atheism denies belief in God.

@@juliuscaesar5397 Atleast its far more superior than having the Middle East and North Africa reputation being recognized as an mostly war and destruction.

لا الله الى الله محمد رسول الله ☪️🌹

@@malekaltayari3936u act like u love carthage yet ur Muslims ? Did u know that carthage was pegan Babylon ?

@علئ ياسر I know

Yeah right 😂🤦‍♂️

@@fuzzley911You also 🤡🤡🤓🤓💀💀

U mean the stuff Islam stole from presia give me a break

We didn't destroy knowledge and such we added on it. The only thing we destroyed is statues.

the mongols actually burned down universities and libraries, do ur research please. It is thanks to us that you have Numbers like 123, Mathematic formulas, the idea of a camera, Chemistry, Soap and many things about astronomy and space there's actually a lot of knowledge that the bloody west uses thanks to us you're just trying to make us look bad

@@SamirZeGeeklies. Islam didnt have the guts to invent anything . doesnt mean Islam not existing doesnt mean the inventions wouldnt exist. stop being such a fcking rationalist claiming your correct

​​@@rickyyacine4818baghdad never stole knowledge but they collect all the knowledge and trying to improve and create new invention with religious motivation to improve human life

Do you really believe that?

@@robertozeladarodriguez5321 oh yeah !!

Let me give you a reality check. Only a century after the advent of Islam the Middle East flourished into what historians call the "Golden Age of Islam" when Muslims were economically, politically, militarily and technologically far ahead of most of the world whilst Europe was in Dark Age. West has taken a lot from the Muslim world. It was the justice and tolerance of Islam that made science flourish and awoke Europe from Dark Age giving birth to European Renaissance. Professor Thomas Arnold writes that the European Renaissance originated in Islamic Spain: *Muslim Spain had written one of the brightest pages in the history of Medieval Europe. Her influence had passed through Provence into the other countries of Europe, bringing into birth a new poetry and a new culture, and it was from here that Christian scholars received what of Greek philosophy and science they had to stimulate their mental activity up to the time of the Renaissance.* *- The Preaching of Islam: A History of the Propagation of the Muslim Faith by Thomas Arnold, p. 131* Translations of Arabic works on science were made for almost three centuries, starting from the 10th to the 13th century and gradually spread throughout Europe. Professor George Saliba penned a book on this very topic and stated that: *There is hardly a book on Islamic civilization, or on the general history of science, that does not at least pretend to recognize the importance of the Islamic scientific tradition and the role this tradition played in the development of human civilisation in general.* *- George Saliba, Islamic Science and the Making of the European Renaissance, Massachusetts, 2007, p. 1*

Wish we were stuck in it was so much more advanced than what ever the hell is happening now with different infidel ideologies and laws being decided by idiots.

@@moizahmed4705 Typical statement from an apologist. The "Islamic Golden Age" you claimed is actually the Persian Golden Age.

@@P1utia Not necessarily there were also Arabs and Spanish but they were all Muslims. There is a reason why this period is called the "Golden Age of Islam" by historians.

@@moizahmed4705 Even if without Islam, Persian Golden Age would still occur.

Cope pershit sister lover 😂😂😂

@@AL_AFGHANI1 Racist kid keep coping

why?

@@robertozeladarodriguez5321 simple; no sharia law, the world would have been the same as today except we'll be all liberal sooner with no need for civil rights movement and lastly terrorist elements would have been minimally or less brutal as isis and al qaeda would have not been form in shape despite saudi arabia present in this modern world without islam. but even if without islam there would still be terrorism like what ive said and even the refugee crisis, so the white terrorists/supremacists would have to look for something else to attack. as for the islamic golden age, it would still be there under a different disguise and under the zoroastrians, so renaissance will still be there at a early time. america would still be earlier discovered despite the lack of islam, because the vikings predated it before colonial powers even stepped in.

real