Could Hebi Sasuke beat Jiraiya?

Would’ve been really cool to see Sasuke go the way of an unofficial Anbu under Kakashi. Like a sanctioned rogue ninja, he’s part of the leaf but with a singular goal of spying on the Akatsuki and killing Itachi. Maybe Sasuke and Kakashi could’ve gone on missions together while Sakura and Naruto stayed with their Sanin senseis, though it would throw off the sanin/team 7 parallels. Edit: there could have been an entire side plot about Orochimaru disguising himself as Danzo or usurping him as head of the Anbu/root somehow, to keep the Orochimaru/Sasuke dynamic but less obvious.

I feel like Orochimaru restrained his training to be sure that he doesn't become stronger than him.

If Sasuke hadn't left, then Sakura would've stayed weak and most likely die against Sasori.

Sasuke literally went from being no diffed by Lee (who trained for his speed for years) to surpassing Lee and wrecking non-jinchuuriki mode Gaara in less than a month with Kakashi’s training in the chuunin exams. I always wondered how much more he could progress with Kakashi but now that you mention it, he didn’t progress that much just because of Kakashi, he progressed because he is a genius, so going to Orochimaru for the most power gain makes sense. There’s just something very interesting about pre-war arc level shippuuden regarding training, skill and fights.

So, you're doing what ifs right now? That's great.

So I think even if Sasuke stayed in the leaf he would still eventually kill Itachi (just as part of the Leaf’s efforts to eliminate the Akatsuki threat), and the fight would go the same just without the orochimaru stuff. So he would definitely still get the MS/EMS.

This is the sort of dynamic I was missing which would have made Sasuke vs Kakashi a brilliant fight. There are a lot of sensei vs students fights.

@DygoKnight some clarification regarding Naruto leaving the village to train with Jiraiya, the main reason is the Akatsuki.

My question is how strong both Naruto and Sasuke would be if they trained with each other throughout the time skip like goku and vegeta does.

Best teachers for Sasuke to train if he stayed in the village: Kakashi (Sharingan and lightning jutsus), Guy (advanced taijutsu and opening 2 or 3 gates), Tsunade (increasing strength), Jiraiya (ninjutsu fire-style jutsus), Kurenai (genjutsu).

I think he would’ve improved about the same regardless. It would’ve probably helped Kakashi as well. The main things Sasuke got from orochimaru was summonings and the curse mark(which he already had prior to leaving konoha) other than that it’s not really clear what he learned specifically from Orochimaru. The summonings and absorbing Orochimaru is a big deal tho. I think he would’ve gotten to the level he was prior to absorbing Orochimaru under kakashi but the boost he got from absorbing Orochimaru is 100% necessary Kakashi stylistically makes more sense for Sasuke to train under and would’ve made him more versatile if he wanted to be but more than likely Kakashi would’ve trained him to be even better what he’s naturally good with and that’s fire and lightning. Training with Kakashi could’ve made Sasuke sharingan even sharper(help kakashi as well and bounce Chidori ideas off of each as we see both of them developed a lot Chidori varients. Kakashi had the beast, the lightning cable, used it to neutralize other lightning attacks against him. Idk if Kakashi would waste time teaching him other elements because that’s not his style. He more so focuses on strengths and makes them stronger.

Kakashi being a teacher? Impossible

I always envisioned a Konoha Sasuke really honing in on being a well-rounded ninja like Kakashi, excelling in the basic jutsu (Nin, Tai, Gen). I see him developing a secondary rivalry and respect for Rock Lee (mirroring Gai and Kakashi). No weapons, just hands. Also I figure he would be one of the few of the Konoha 12 to be a jonin. Even a jonin sensei (if I'm being fanfic-y). Essentially just a Sasuke who mirrored his path during the Chunin Exam era. Heavy taijutsu user, vast/varied ninjutsu, solid genjutsu.

I'm curious as to how the story would've changed if Sasuke had stayed. Would that have been better or worse for the characters involved?

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I could honestly see Sasuke being smart enough to get training from both sides LOL think about it. First, training with Kakashi for a year and a half possibly learning water or earth style, all the Chidori variations, and to surprise Naruto, Rasengan since Kakashi knows it too. After some convincing and getting the okay from Tsunade, Sasuke could seek Orochimaru out which won't be hard with Kabuto around. He'll basically tell Orochimaru that he wanted to gain every ounce of power from Konoha and shows him the Rasengan. Orochi being hungry for an Uchiha body would gladly train him but be way more cautious.

Honestly, he’d be about the same stat wise minus the curse mark training. He’d be a bit more versatile overall. Kakashi would teach him different chakra natures, and teach him how to use the gates to increase his base. Sasuke would receive training on his sharingan, learning to copy more abilities, and overall just increasing the effectiveness of his three tomoe sharingan. Remember, he’d probably be going on missions often which also would be a form of training as well. He’d still learn his chidori variants, if not more since Kakashi would be guiding him and feeding him ideas, given he developed variants as well. It’s iffy on whether he’d have Kirin or not, but considering he only uses it during one fight in the manga, Kirin isn’t really that important overall-despite it being his strongest jutsu. More than likely though, Kakashi would help him develop a rasenshuriken-level jutsu. possibly a real rasengan lightning variant, and not a failed version. Last, Kakashi would as you said teach Sasuke about the mangekyo. This would more-so be more useful during his fight with Itachi. Kakashi may not have as much knowledge on forbidden jutsu, or some other things like Oro but Kakashi still has a LOT of knowledge and experience.

no matter what losing out on the snake jutsu and summoning contracts is a major nerf

I feel like Kakashi might have taught Sasuke how to open the eight gates so temporarily he would be able to far exceed the canon Sasuke with even the second gate. As far as the jutsu variety goes I feel like he would be taught way more options by staying in the leaf village. Raw power isn't everything, he might not have any jutsu as hard hitting as Kirin but I feel he would be overall better fighter, especially training with Naruto whose fighting style up to about midway point of shippuden is to "Keep taking hits until the other side falls" which would likely help Sasuke with endurance - not necesarility increasing his stamina but helping him pace his fights better. Versatility is one of the most important factor in fight when all else is relative, I know Bleach gets ragged on when the fights devolved into "Who can pull out more secret aces" but that's actually smart fighting looks like. The less information (or even better the more missinformation) your enemy has about you the higher the chances of your survival. Realistically Orochimaru's Sasuke had 2 or 3 fire jutsu, few variations of Chidori, and his sharingan genjutsu, Kirin is too situational to be useful in unplanned fight. Kakashi's Sasuke would have way more than that I feel. (What I mean with Naruto - The mist village trio in the forest of death, Kiba (even though that was cut short by the fart), He beat Neji because after the last clash he was too spent to be able to dodge. Haku, Sasuke in the valley of the end, Kabuto)

What if the uchiha trained sasuke or what if itachi and shisui trained sasuke

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Only thing Orochi that puts him over kakashi is being absorbed and giving all those small passive bonuses to Sasuke which is what allowed him to survive with less plot armor. The TRUE reason Kishi got rid of orochi is because once Sasuke unlocks Mangekyou, his chakra level will grow dramatically thus enabling Sasuke to spam Orochimarus snake shed techniques thus making him virtually unkillable. Can’t have Sasuke THAT op. That’s why the author refuse to give him clone jutsu too. So I always laugh when haters say Sasuke got plot armor but in reality it’s only to protect everyone from Sasuke.

Curse mark is senjutsu, great guiding tool. If he gets Proficient enough in senjutsu he could learn SageMode without the stick the frogs use. Then if he has sagemode, he can draw in even more natural energy than the cursemark. The only problem is, the curse mark gives you Orochimaru's senjutsu chakra. Even if fueled by Sasuke's Sagemode the cursemark would still be influencable because of its link to Orochimaru.

I rewatch that scene in the hotel and that is 1000% what made him leave. He was crushed and had no other choice at that point

It's hard to consider Kakashi to be the better teacher to help you achieve ur goal of killing your brother when Kakashi had just been cucked by said brother Itachi. At least the power Orochimaru gave Sasuke was highly noticeable and Orochimaru had Kage Killer on his resume. Sasuke is literally what pushed Naruto and Sakura to get much stronger than they would have had he stayed. Sasuke starts out Shipuuden strong enough to be a Kage much like Gaara. That's likely not happening with Kakashi as his primary teach as Kakashi at that point in time wasn't even that level himself. And I think in order for Sasuke to become much more powerful, he'd need someone much more powerful to train him to reach his full potential. That obviously wasn't Kakashi. Despite their similarities Kakashi saw Neji and felt like Sasuke wouldn't be able to reach his level. Orochimaru shows up and after fighting Sasuke, not too long after he reaches then surpasses Neji's level. Kakashi would limit Sasuke and all of team 7 would be weaker as a result. Meaning they'd be screwed later on in Shipuuden especially when it came to taking on the god like characters that appeared from and after Pain.

Not only all that, but if he was able to teach Sasuke the theory-crafting behind jutsu's to envision their complete versions from partial data, like Lee's Taijutsu and successfully teaching him the Chidori in a week, you also gotta remember that he has an arsenal of thousands of jutsu to let him copy outright, even if it's the hand-seal version because it's outside of Sasuke's affinities.

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Kakashi can also create a lightning clone that detonates upon impact

Well, he wouldn't have had Kirin and his chakra reserves probably would've been less, but his other capabilities may have been fine and he'd probably have a better temperament and be able to handle emotional situations a bit better. Maybe he would've come to terms with his anger and sadness and learned to face things head on without losing himself to his anger. He was pretty stoic a lot of the time after his training with Orochimaru, but it was in an uncaring way, and when he cared he'd be rife with anger, so not really in control the way Kakashi could teach him to be. Sure, there is some benefit to utilizing your emotions, but I think the clear head that Kakashi would've taught Sasuke to have would've been very effective.

Kakashi would be the one to become a lot stronger if Sasuke stayed. To be honest, I can't see Kakashi being th perfect master for Sasuke, he could train him for ANBU operations (give him experience of war and assassination as well as the training to make him faster, stealthier and etc.), but that would be it. Sasuke could learn the 8 gates, Kage bunshin, more chackra natures alongside some useful situational jutsus, but that wouldn't be good for the series. Another thing about it is that the only way for Sasuke to stay was if both he and Naruto became wiser and gained some maturity, Naruto stopped beign the selfish hypocrite and for once understand the people will suffer differently and he was the one pushing Sasuke away, and Sasuke getting the trust he was seeking, knowing his team had his back and they will do a btter job than him alone. That being said, Orochimaru wasn't a better teacher, but it was a better environment. Smart and creative people have their epiphany alone, but need a team to make it perfect. The way I see it, Orochimaru was the most suited person to teach Sasuke about Sharingan, better than Kakashi, but that was the only thing Orochimaru personally teach to Sasuke... Maybe the Snakes, or that could be Kabuto as well as the drugs. But his techniques and ideas would be developed alone and in secret. Orochimaru could know about Kirin and show the missing pieces, but I bet it was 80% Sasuke ans 20% Orochi on how he developed that jutsu, something like "Kakashi cut a Lightning with this just, could I do that as wel-- wait... How can I gat a lighting to test-- If I could summon a lightning-- maybe I can, but... How...". But idk, If the series was named Sasuke, maybe he could become more mentally stable and learned 8 gates, Kage Bunshin, Sage more and the whole plot would be about Danzo trying to get Sasuke.

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He probably would of told Sasuke to cast himself under a genjutsu to train inside there, relizing the potential of increase mental faculties.

I always found it funny that sasuke uses wires all around but never to conduct lightning

Before dying in his conversation with kabuto, orochimaru said it himself "there is no one in this world who can train him as well as in do" so orochimaru knew what power sasuke gained on his side ( kage level)

I think that sasuke would use help from other people to get stronger because that what Naruto taught him, maybe he would be stronger in genjetsu and physically stronger and faster if he trained with lee

Its one of those things where the narrative really implies one thing but idk man kakashi made naruto kage level in a few weeks and is one of the only other peoole with a sharingan and mangekyo to train sasuke with

Dygo favorite character is clearly Sasuke

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Sasuke already learned everything he needed from kakashi in pt1, while oroicmaru made sasuke poison resistance and got him to kage lvl since he solo team 7 in the beginning of shippuden then beat Deidra 1v1, who just beat kage gaara in the beginning of shippuden oroimaru was the best sensei for him kakashi already played his role in pt1.

Kakashi BARELY SURVIVED Deidara and Kakuzu by the skin of his teeth... he also needed Naruto to help get away. Hebi Sasuke fought Deidara to his breaking point and forced him to use his kamikaze technique. Kakashi was a DECENT teacher for Naruto, but the same can not be said for Sasuke.

Remember, the entire reason that encounter with Itachi happened was because a random Jonin walked in at the wrong time to dump a bunch of exposition in front of Sasuke while visiting Kakashi. So basically, the plot of Shippuden was the result of one gigantic “oops”.

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2:30 No. Jiraiya told Naruto to forget about Sasuke. The training is meant to be prepared for the Akatsuki.

Sasuke would've been alot weaker than his time skip self, but eventually stronger since a person's good will plays a big factor in their strength.

At Orochimaru's hide out Sasuke, Kabuto, and ocrohimaru all disappear using some kind of a fire style teleportation jutsu. What was that technique? If it was not a teleportation jutsu then were they all fire clones because if so then that would mean that Sasuke was only using half his strength when he defeated all of them

We didn’t know if sasuke was stronger than naruto during the timeskip because everyone forgets naruto was EXTREMELY fatigued when he faced sasuke because of the fight with orochimaru, his 4 tails transformation, and the fact he was falling on the ground a lot because of how tired he was

Actually naruto left the village with jiraya not only to bring Sasuke back, but he had to go with jiraya to get stronger as the akatsuki were tailing jinchuirkis

I think you usually underestimate kage level since Ms saske was getting manhandled by every kage in the five kage summit. I think he would be sannin level or high join at best after the time skip

New video idea what if kakashi trained sakura I mean you’ve already done his first two students so why not just complete the set

I think that because Sasuke would be doing more physical training and Sharingan Training under Kakashi who seems to have more battle IQ than Orochimaru, Aka more practical combat advice for Sasuke as opposed to more basic knowledge from Orochimaru. He'd be just as fast and strong, probably moreso with more chakra. Only it would be natural. Plus the number of Jutsu he would copy and develop would be insane. Then there's also his Rivalry with Naruto and the advice of the rest of the village. I also think there's a slim possibility that Jiraiya may even teach him a bit. Sasuke should be Base to Base much Stronger. And by extension, Any version of Sasuke after losing the Curse mark would be substantially stronger than in canon.

If Sasuke didn’t leave the village like others said he would be more versatile meaning Kakashi could teach him a lot of justu from the other elements. I actually could see Kakashi having Sasuke make a contract with his ninja hounds as well and Sasuke would probably be more analytical when it comes to fighting like Kakashi as well and eventually he would probably learn the different chidori techniques as well. In sort Sasuke would be around the same level as Hebi Sasuke or a bit weaker but he would be more well rounded as a ninja

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Always had this headcanon that if Sasuke stayed in the village that Sasuke would've been trained by Kakashi and Anko

If sasuke trained with kakashi his range of jutsus would’ve definitely been greater but other than that orochimaru offered sasuke too much in terms of drugs, curse mark control, and the jutsu he was taught by orochimaru

what if sasuke actually listened to itachi and killed his closest friend (naruto), would love to hear your take

Sasuke under Orochimaru's training: Base Hebi Sasuke beat up Naruto with 3 tails and can suppressed his red kyuubi/kurama chakra cloak with Sharingan. Sasuke under Kakashi's training: being beaten up by Naruto with 1 tail.

Can you make a video about if Kakashi could be accepted to Akatsuki? Would he fit in power-wise? Maybe add Guy too.

I dont want to accept that sasuke was "absolutely destroying" team kakashi. Yamato was just about to get serious. So we cant say for sure

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i would guess Kakashi would be a better teacher. He guided Naruto after all and gave him a major boost

What if Hiruzen and danzo trained Naruto and Sasuke from 8 years old after the Uchiha Massacre

Kirin requires a set up so it couldn't be kirin off the bat

12:36 Eight gates amp seems to multiply strength tho considering the difference between might guy and his father.

0:09 Kage level?! Nah

I thought that Naruto left the village during the time skip to make it harder for the Akatsuki to find him?

Well naruto's Rasen shuriken is his jutsu alone, but it is part of a jutsu family of the rasengan, it is the rasengan with wind nature chakra. Essentially, the 4th hokage developed the rasengan which was similar to the tailed beast bomb just without tailed beast chakra. And it's rotation. But the rasen shuriken variation before it was called wind release Rasengan, a rasengan with wind chakra, and then rasen shuriken was just an intense and bigger version of it.

tbh, i don’t think Kakashi would’ve been able to make Sasuke stronger than Orochi. Problem is, Kakashi wouldn’t have approved of the curse mark at all. They would’ve found some way to remove it. That’s a big nerf. And i don’t think kakashi would’ve been able to or willing to teach Sasuke kamui. Mangekyo isn’t just something you can casually teach

Sasuke would be far stronger if he stayed in the leaf as long as he did not limit himself to only kakashi. Then he could learn the gates from lee and the strength abiltiy of sakura and tsunade so he would have base tsunade strength plus a tier 2 curse mark amp plus a 8 gates amp he would be unstoppable.

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Was chicory spear before or after the war? Because I don't recall sasuke ever using it during his early shippuden arcs. I only recall chicory stream and senbon, which was displayed both during team 7 reunion and against deidara

Actually it IS Jiraya who taugh Naruto to use the shadow clone jutsu to get more experience for the first Time in part one of the show while they some hours before Naruto used the summoning to summon gamabunta for the first time

The best teacher for Sasuke was Naruto; FIGHT ME!!! Look at their duels, look at the Chuunin Exam, n look at the FIRE Naruto created in Sasuke, n vice versa. The Truth is, if Sasuke stayed, Naruto would've probably mastered Kurama n his inner hatred earlier, and that means Sasuke would have to train like Rock Lee to keep up with a Killer Bee level Jinchuriki! Tell Mme that Sasuke would give up and take the L, instead of rising to the occasion and matching the Kyuubi by the time we hit Shippuden! Neither of them really had much growth offscreen. Sasuke's just looks like a ton because he was compared to Naruto, who basically floundered for two years with Jiraiya. Sasuke was Naruto's GREATEST TEACHER, and Naruto was Sasuke's. They got the best power boosts together, and they pushed each other to their PEAK. They never should've seperated, cuz: FAILURE, COMPETITION, CONFLICT, n RIVALRY, are the best teachers. Sasuke's greatest weakness was underestimating Naruto, n throwing away the greatest resource he ever had in his life.

The biggest Hot take was saying Sasuke was at Kage level during Reunion Edit: Naruto was told by Kakashi that he is incompatible considering that they didn’t have the same Chakra nature so he would still go with Jiraiya. Sasuke would Get Ninjutsu from his enemies, Get Genjutsu, still have curse mark, evolve his Sharingan that comes with having curse mark, He would legit be High Sanin level.The fact that Sasuke doesn’t know any Genjutsu as a uchiha is criminal especially when your clan is known for specializing in it.

But you forget that If they got Sasuke back then he would have been castrated in order to calm him and make him docile.

2 things to add 1. Sasuke wouldn't have access to the snake summonings if a stayed 2. The motivation of Naruto's presence + motivation of vengeance for Itachi would create a motivation feedback loop where every-time he sees Naruto getting stronger, it'd make him feel like if he couldn't catch up to Naruto he would never catch up to Itachi which would motivate him to train way harder.

Sauke dont have as much chakra as Naruto, but he does have a huge amount. Kakashi could of teach shadow clone to Sasuke to train him better. Sasuke just was never taught using the shadow clone and just not his style of fighting. Also, its a plot armor that sasuke cannot use shadow clone else he will be too overpower.

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Well sasuke was not kage level that’s for sure at least not until 5 kage summit and that was with using Amaterasu, naruto already had two tails down when they first met after timeskip so he still was stronger than sasuke itachi was Kage level and the main reason he won was cause itachi was sick and wanted sasuke to kill him so🤷🏻

The drugs only boost the cursemark power not really sasuke him self

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I can see why Naruto would stay if Sasuke never left, but it’s still possible that he would leave

I feel like orochi training was more hands off he have Sasuke access to things he would never have in the village but also let him do his own thing. As evident thag orochimaru didn't recognize Sasuke chidori blade

Could not have been kirin and the setup for kirin wasn’t established

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Well Sasuke would pretty much be objectively weaker than his Orochimaru Training Self because Tsunade and Sakura said he was too strong to be that naturally powerful so he was on drugs to get stronger so physically Sasuke would be Stronger but I’m sure Sasuke would learn a Lot of New Jutsu with Kakashi’s Training and get to learn new stuff about his Sharingan.

Next video, "what if Itachi trained his brother"

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Kakashi would have had better results. Remember that Orochimaru didnt actually care about Sasuke's training. He just wanted to keep him around and get him ready to become his vessel. In fact, Orochimaru wanted to make sure that Sasuke doesnt surpass him in the 3 year time needed for him to get his body so that he could still do it. He probably just made Sasuke think he is trying to help him by teaching him stuff to the point that Sasuke realised that and started developing chidori variants by himself. Kakashi on the other hand would not have hidden reasons to make sure Sasuke is kept at a certaint level. As proof of how good Kakashi is as a teacher is shown when he helps Naruto develop the Rasenshuriken by teaching him about info gathering with his clones and change in chakra nature. What did Jiraiya do in 3 years? He helped Naruto make a slightly bigger Rasengan.

There seems to be an unlimited amount of things to talk about when it comes to Naruto

Everybody needed Sasuke to go missing for character development, which Naruto didn't get much.

Everyone talking about how strong Kakashi might make Sasuke by training him. But honestly... I think Kakashi would learn just as much from Sasuke as Sasuke would learn from Kakashi. Which would ironically better his ability to Teach Sasuke.

Now I want to see Sakura's version

Will the next rewrite come this month

Also, if Sasuke had arrived at the appointed time orochimaru wished, he would’ve just taken sasuke’s body. Pause

It's would be interesting if sasuke personality would change, I mean his personality could change if he raises by lute from hazbin hotel or somebody else

a big problem is that sasuke would need to go in missions, so he wouldn't have as much time to training, the same goes to naruto

Kakashi is a good teacher twice 😂 once with Sasuke and once with Naruto

I think calling Sasuke “kage level” after the time skip is a stretch. I just couldn’t see him winning against any kage that early.