What if Radiohead used 31 notes per octave instead of 12?

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How would Radiohead's True Love Waits sound if we reinterpreted it with microtonal harmony? In todays microtonal music theory deep dive and video essay, I, along with @stephenweigel and @braelen explore the xenharmonic world of 31 EDO (also called 31 TET) by transforming Radiohead's music microtonally through microtonal chord progressions using subminor 7 chords, sesquiflat chords, half flat chords, half sharp chords, supermajor 7 chords, and neutral chords. By explaining how to build microtonal chords and harmony we can stretch the fabric of western tonal harmony in ways that are exciting and new, while focusing on the fundamentals of good songwriting and musical story telling. This video is great for musicians who have a decent grasp on traditional western music theory, who want a "microtones explained" video. Also for anyone who wants to know how to modulate to a half sharp chord! We want to show you that anyone can incorporate microtones into their songwriting practically and easily. We'll take a look at 31 EDO scales, 31 EDO chords, advanced music theory concepts, microtonal singing, microtonal bass playing, microtonal jazz, microtonal piano and microtonal notation through edostep. Oh yeah, and we have a Lumatone. Gotta love those isomorphic keyboards. In our cover of True Love Waits, we hope to capture the depth and nuance of Thom Yorke's songwriting through this microtonal reinterpretation. Braelen and I sit down near the end of the video to discuss the finer points of the roll of songwriters, instrumentalists, composers and sound designers in "serving the song".
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Microtonal Music Theory
01:42 - What is 31 EDO?
04:05 - EDOSTEP
04:47 - Neutral, Subminor & Supermajor Chords
10:51 - Storytelling with Microtonality with Braelen
22:19 - True Love Waits Cover

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@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

Corrections: 01:23 Stephen say “A flat” but graphic incorrectly shows “A half sharp” 05:48 I mention thirdless Cmaj7 (which is correct) but the example incorrectly shows a 5thless Cmaj7 instead. Wires crossed!

@CSanykdotCom Жыл бұрын

I can't believe they didn't call the 31-tone scale Baskin-Robins.

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

I mean, this stuff isn't written in stone... You could call it whatever you want! I guess we'll see what wordage sticks in 100 years lol

@AspartameBoy 5 ай бұрын

57 EDO shall be known as the Hienz tunning

@oscarlarsen584 2 ай бұрын

@@AspartameBoyand Tomato Ketchup Will be known as Heinz

@Paeioh Жыл бұрын

This is really impressive, I'd love to see more songs retuned (if thats correct term) into 31-TET or basically more 31-TET music in general.

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! You can use that term for it for sure. Always down for more 31

@swampflux Жыл бұрын

Check out Sevish

@stephenweigel 11 ай бұрын

@Paeioh check out my a cappella 31-TET arrangement of what a wonderful world then

@Telepathic_Monkey_Experiment Ай бұрын

Would transposed be the right word?

@jerichogonzales1290 14 күн бұрын

@@Telepathic_Monkey_ExperimentI'd say translated would be a better word.

@braelen Жыл бұрын

Thank you for having me on the video! Can't wait for whatever makes my ears uncomfortable next

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

It was great fun, can’t wait for the next one!

@Telepathic_Monkey_Experiment Ай бұрын

Music!

@Lodit24 Жыл бұрын

Those are some of the most beautiful vocals I've ever heard. The slight out-of-tune feeling in comparison in comparison to the other instruments, how strangled and stretched they sound, like an over-stretched memory trying to escape your head, to be poetic. Sometimes the "out-of-tune" feeling was a bit overwhelming, but this still is one of the most beautiful and haunting things I've heard. I hope there'll be a lot more micro-tonal music in the future, because it's a whole new dimension of music, just waiting to be explored.

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Thank you! Very well put with the vocals. Totally agree. The possibilities seem endless when we open up to these different ideas in harmony and tuning!

@stephenweigel Жыл бұрын

I love this collab omggggggggggg Thank you for all the amazing work you're doing! Fascinated to hear Braelen's thoughts on the subject of singing with microtonal elements. He describes the experience quite accurately. Cheers!

@mx676 9 ай бұрын

Wow this video is just Incredible. The research, the music, the commentary, the visuals. Super well done. Hope you gain more subs!

@microtonalguitar Жыл бұрын

Amazing job guys 👏👏👏

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

Thank you Tolgahan, always a pleasure!

@hissquiet Жыл бұрын

incredible cover, really delicate balance here

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it! Lot of attention to detail is required with these projects.

@gameboyjacks Жыл бұрын

oh my god, seeing the production quality i would have assumed that you were a music youtuber that had like 100K+ subs that flew under my radar! amazing work! subbed :3

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Hahaha appreciate that! We'll get there in a a few years hopefully. Until then, I'll just keep getting better and focus on providing good resources and quality content for ya'll!

@gameboyjacks 11 ай бұрын

@@LeviMcClain I would love to hear some Kid A in this style, it sounded beautiful !

@leascaart Жыл бұрын

I love the sound and adventure-esque/curiosity of 31, I think the biggest problem I have with 31 is, and this is really the most important for me.... the melodies are just nowhere near as memorable as 12TET. As a musician, I love the endless possibilities. But it's kind of like vampires that never die. As Guillermo Del Toro once said, immortality is boring. Superman is cool, but he's boring. He can't really die. It's a weird thing. Having said that, I can see exactly why so many artists who delve into 31 rarely comeback. IMHO, I prefer a good mix 12/31. Maybe 12/24. King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard do fantastic job at creating memorial melodies. I couldn't name or whistle one single SEVISH song. However, I can recall any Beatles song.

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for your input! The wild sounds you can get from 31 are interesting to say the least! I see what you're saying and I agree to an extent. I wonder how much of it is a depth of familiarity issue. Western music, culture, instruments and hardware is not exactly set up to accommodate 31. We haven't grown up in a world which has thoroughly explored it, found the useful conventions within it, and defined it's use cases in a way that it feels as natural as 12. That being said, simplicity seems to be the key to memorability, so you might be onto something.

@wiegraf9009 11 ай бұрын

If more microtonal music used simple melodies it would be much more memorable. Early video game music is much more memorable than most of today's VGM but both are in 12 TET. It's just a matter of the older stuff bring crafted around melodies due to technical limitations and the design conventions that arose around them. (not saying The Beatles made unsophisticated music but they aimed to craft memorable and melodic tunes)

@FilthyAnimal893 Жыл бұрын

i would be interest to hear this process applied to My Favorite Things in much the same way that Coltraine approached it where the main melody uses 1sts, 2nds, 4ths and 5ths in a way that does not favor neither major nor minor tonality.

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

That is a really interesting thought! I've gotten a few requests to do Giant Steps but with Neutral Harmony, this seems to be way more interesting of a concept though! I'll look into it, thank you Ian!

@FilthyAnimal893 Жыл бұрын

@@LeviMcClain no, giant steps would be a mess in another tonal system. its already an exploration of interesting tonal harmonics present in 12tet, i feel like it would completely lose its focus in any other tuning system

@stephenweigel Жыл бұрын

@@FilthyAnimal893 Giant Steps has been done to death in the microtonal community! Neil Haverstick probably did it first by playing 19-TET guitar. See: -Nick Rushton-Givens's channel -Lumi - Music & Theory "Giant Steps but it's microtonal MIDI in over 100 tunings" -Giant Steps but it's in Neutral Thirds -Giant Steps in 19-TET (Leonard Budd) -#GiantStepsChallenge -Giant Bells (Jingle Bells with the chords of Giant Steps in 15-TET) -EVERY MICROTONAL GIANT STEPS AT ONCE etc.

@sea-ferring 11 ай бұрын

Very interesting. For what it's worth, I found the cover of True Love Waits way too busy - it didn't allow the microtonal aspects to "sing".

@wiegraf9009 11 ай бұрын

On the other hand it by no means sounds "weird" or off putting. If they wanted to make a microtonal pop song they succeeded.

@austin.paradise 11 ай бұрын

Wow! Your version of this heartbreaking song is truly a revelation. I think it captures another element and layer of longing and melancholia that the original simply implies but leaves empty like the negative space in a Japanese Zen painting. Beautifully done. Cheers.

@JoshuaGarien 7 ай бұрын

More covers! This was amazing! The complexity of the harmonies was an auditory orgasm. ❤ The vocals were amazing and very haunting. This cover was perfection.

@UltraLeetJ Жыл бұрын

this was done so onestly, passonately and authentically I was in tears during the entire hearing of the arrangement

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

That is incredibly kind of you to say. Thank you!

@emperorlelouch7820 11 ай бұрын

Your content is extremely niche and also very well made. Keep it up man!

@lukeshioshio 11 ай бұрын

This is super cool and educational and now i want to make music with 31 tet

@JohnNiemsMusic 11 ай бұрын

As a piano tuner/technician for 48 years and having tuned 25,000 pianos and most to A-440 and some to A-432 I would certainly go crazy tuning to 31 notes in an octave. If I had to do that just once I would definitely look for a different job immediately. haha BTW I set an equal F to F temperament and never use anything but by tuning fork! Many people tune with an app now! Not as good as tuning by ear.

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

There are early keyboard instruments that accommodate 31, but as far as I know they are monochordic, so you don’t have to worry about unisons (thank god for that). I tuned a couple octaves of 144 TET a while back on an old Baldwin. It was painfully tedious. As I’m sure you know, pianos were definitely not designed for that level of resolution! Interesting timbral warping effect happens the higher you go as you get further and further from the tolerance the strings were designed under. Can’t beat the ear I suppose, particularly in the final estimation of tuning quality, although I’ve found TuneLab to be a lifesaver for quick pitch raises!

@a.nobodys.nobody 2 ай бұрын

Cool that you get out of your comfort zone!

@ninasutaria7373 11 ай бұрын

This was incredible, very well done!

@Sebastiside 11 ай бұрын

This is so helpful man. Love your videos!

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Woah! That means a lot coming from you man. Mad respect for your music. Thank you!

@soul-5 11 ай бұрын

listening to this with an open mind was incredibly challenging and took me multiple listens, but i eventually heard it different. it started sounding much more right, and it was incredible. very spiritual experince!

@stephenweigel 11 ай бұрын

❤

@montageofchips9704 3 ай бұрын

This is probably one of the best remixes I have ever heard. Moving a song out of it's original temperament almost never goes well, but this was the opposite story. 31 really increased the emotion in the song. Hearing this beautifully dissonant and "out-of-tune" harmony was one of the best decisions of my life. Thank you for populating a sparse genre. ❤

@Hulloder Жыл бұрын

Your videos are fun and informative, thank you!

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! Appreciate the support!!

@memetherapy 11 ай бұрын

This is such a cool exploration of sound. Fantastic. Makes me want to explore 31 TET for myself. I love the alien-like tensions and harmonies. Super fresh.

@brownsuitcase Жыл бұрын

you bunch of nerds that was great!!!! thank you!!! wow what a stunning and orginal cover. How to Disapear next please! that already plays with dissonance. Much love

@fleetstreet11 Жыл бұрын

Their orchestral masterpiece.

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Glad you liked it. Can't wait to explore more of this stuff.

@thephoenixsystem6765 11 ай бұрын

That was... maddening. I'm afraid to accept its beauty.

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

What are we to do with our lives, but find beauty in the dissonance?

@eskaytwo 11 ай бұрын

@@LeviMcClain you know the pieces fit!

@BobRafferty Жыл бұрын

Great video and what an amazing arrangement! So cool

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it

@zAvAvAz 2 ай бұрын

awesome work gentles.

@OrfinMusik 18 күн бұрын

Thom did have Jonny tune a piano in the studio to quarter steps in the kid a days

@JarodDCamp Жыл бұрын

Well done, guys - this is great!

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@zoricspsol 11 ай бұрын

really heavy, thank you for keeping it real!

@lurkdash 2 ай бұрын

Loved learning from how this came together even though the vocals stuck out like a sore thumb in a way that I personally didn’t enjoy! Glad to have been challenged like that though, breath of fresh air.

@makcings4764 Жыл бұрын

you are so underrated! you deserve more attentions

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Thank you! With comments and support like yours, I'm sure we'll get there in no time!

@dannywest8843 Жыл бұрын

incredible work

@oldplanetmedia1629 Жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to apply some of this science to "blue notes" found in Jazz. Some African and Scottish tonal systems also contain more than 12 notes

@s3xyn0sfera2 Жыл бұрын

Indonesian, Arabic, and Indian too

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Great idea! I'd love to explore that

@iamnotkorvellus Жыл бұрын

dudes, this is absolutely amazing. new sub!

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Appreciate the support Saul!

@iamnotkorvellus 11 ай бұрын

@@LeviMcClain hey y'all guys know it! if you wanna make more good music, and keep the good music that you make...

@_CoasterNinja 11 ай бұрын

I’m not a musician, but this was fascinating to watch. As a Radiohead fan, this cover is awesome!

@hobboth 11 ай бұрын

Impressive! Thank you!

@casualcrisp 10 ай бұрын

I love this channel so much I don’t know why I have more subscribers, this is much higher quality content than I could ever make

@a.nobodys.nobody 2 ай бұрын

Zhea Erose (i think) is doing something I've rarely seen before - trying to make microtonal music that's actually pretty. She does an amazing job. Mike Battaglia also really uses it in a creative way but still plays quite pretty (infant eyes). In the off chance you haven't come across them yet, do make a point to!

@Dioritus 11 ай бұрын

Thom needs to hear this it's absolutely insane

@RicketyBread 11 ай бұрын

Wow. I loved this analysis because you talked about what the song *means* and how you interpreted it. Alot of music theorists on youtube completely ignore that

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Thank you! It's an important perspective, that often gets overlooked.

@bloofle Жыл бұрын

this is so fricking radiohead

@tylermoseley935 Жыл бұрын

Underrated channel, glad I bumped into it.

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@TheMotherOfBambi 3 ай бұрын

31 edo my beloved

@jacksonmumford6237 11 ай бұрын

great video

@vanilla_milkshake Жыл бұрын

that cover would work perfectly for the ending to a horror movie where the protagonist is so obsessed with someone they end up eating them. Fantastic job guys!!

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

I could totally see that! Thank you!

@udomatthiasdrums5322 Жыл бұрын

Love it!!

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@deermeadowhomes Жыл бұрын

I am speechless.

@Lunatraktors Жыл бұрын

Love it... hugely affecting sounds. Weirdly, sounds a bit like Nine Inch Nails's 'Further Down the Spiral'.

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

The sounds you can get from stepping outside of 12 are so wonderful and weird and are totally worth exploring. Thank you!

@QUOK404 Жыл бұрын

insane

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

🙏🙏🙏

@xembient Жыл бұрын

Incredible ❤

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@X-llllllllll-X Жыл бұрын

This is so cool 🤯

@StrangeAttractor 11 ай бұрын

more Radiohead than Radiohead. excellent work, and a great choice of song to showcase your microtonal chops.

@emmaatkinson4334 11 ай бұрын

Many popular Classical pieces use trills that move the ear from one note to another. Might these be better/differently expressed as microtonal arpeggios or scales? Great video, fascinating.

@wiegraf9009 11 ай бұрын

Totally depends on the application. How sparce or continuous is the transition? Which notes are used? Does the piece use microtonality anywhere else? All these things matter.

@julioricardo2415 Жыл бұрын

23:58 Excelent Bass arrangement, , Beautifull fade out

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

@Suchega_Uber Жыл бұрын

I am so glad I chanced across your channel. I finally realize why I have such a hard time getting the music from my mind out into a program. I always have to settle for tones and sounds that never fit one to one with how I am hearing it in my head so I have to adjust and sometimes outright delete whole sections. I never understood why until watching this and realizing that in my head I was utilizing a different tonal progression. I wonder if there is anything I can find online to practice with this.

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

So glad you did as well! I suggest starting with the recourses at 31et.com/ I also have a series on my Tiktok on 31EDO Best of luck on your musical journey!

@Bhatt_Hole 11 ай бұрын

I'm sorry to do this but, .....will it djent?!

@stephenweigel 11 ай бұрын

lmao

@jwlry6913 9 күн бұрын

Тоже думаю надо погрузить Ваганыча в 31

@ivansilvahowe2938 Ай бұрын

How do I download this cover??? I love it! And I don’t even know how the hell KZfaq recommended it to me but I’m glad it did. I don’t even know music theory haha

@LatchezarDimitrov Ай бұрын

Dividing more than 12 per octave musicaly said is a silly idea when we know that there you can do more usual recherche- try stretched 12ET without just interval instead! Relation coeficient K for the half ton between 1.059463... and 1.059643...

@LeviMcClain Ай бұрын

I don’t understand why you say it’s silly? If it sounds cool, then why not?

@bravo1oh1 Жыл бұрын

good cover

@LeviMcClain Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@austinrimel1150 Жыл бұрын

C Major and C Minor sound nice together.

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

When voiced correctly totally!

@roadman_hanzi 2 сағат бұрын

As an afro arab , my culture uses microtonality, and seeing western people diving into zen music theory is a bit funny xD, you see people talking fancy trying include microtones into a song that has non , but in any case , it sounds good It makes a man think about how 2 different kind of people utilize a certain idea ,

@AlSwearengen4 9 күн бұрын

I heard 12 tone in 31, back in '95, when I dropped 5 hits of acid before band practice. Not joking. Wish I was. We were playing Astronomy Domine.

@fleetstreet11 Жыл бұрын

Colin Greenwood would love this. Thom Yorke, too.

@monogramadikt5971 Жыл бұрын

im an ignorant twit and i would love a youtuber to create a series that starts with the basics about understanding, notes, scales , majors , minors, sharps, flats and all these other weird terms that non musically trained people like myself become super confused by,, im pretty sure if you could do it in a way that idiots like me could grasp you would probably do quite well in regards to views , likes and subscriptions

@lisazoria2709 11 ай бұрын

@3:36 The major chords and minor chords of both systems sounded basically the same to me. Can't tell much difference at all.

@regtaylor1163 11 ай бұрын

It's like knocking your guitar off the stand, and playing your recording session anyway.

@julioricardo2415 Жыл бұрын

In my adolescence, several decades ago, I discovered without google, that there was something interesting to know between the great space between two semitones. Then I learned to listen by feeling the subtle changes in the dynamics of sounds when there are small changes in the frequencies that we accept as unique in the system of 12 semitones. And how do these changes interact modulating other waves like two oscillators of a Synthesizer?

@foljs5858 Жыл бұрын

In Indian, Greek, Turkish, Egyptian, arabic, etc music those spaces are used all the time, even in popular tunes

@julioricardo2415 Жыл бұрын

@foljs Certainly, and since several years ago, it´s something well know by me. But more than 30 years ago in argentina I felt a liittle diferent .... Sorr errors for free

@a.nobodys.nobody 2 ай бұрын

Do you have an upload of just the track?

@EnricoDellAquila 11 ай бұрын

I'm not a keyboard player, but the Lumatone is sooo alluring!

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Soooo tempting!

@jeffreygrantsr4525 11 ай бұрын

I oddly prefer the 31 version over the original. I listened to this 31 version, then directly after switched to the original and found it too pristine and lacking in depth. The 31 seemed to spoil me with depth and interest. Needless to say, I was not expecting my reaction. I WANT MORE! XD

@naturedesignbc 5 ай бұрын

There is a chart comparing equal temperament (12 TET), just intonation, 31 TET and other equal temperaments here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament

@OrfinMusik 18 күн бұрын

Radiohead true love waits moon shaped pool version..obviously mocrotonally modified but sounds close... haha I heard the melody while washing dishes didn't realize y'all were already on that lnfao

@robinHobin 4 ай бұрын

Are there actual scale for 31? like a 31 major or minor scale? how many notes do the scales usually have (Like for 12 it is 7)

@tristanperciful6609 3 ай бұрын

The exact same as 12, except whole tones are 5 chromatic pitches instead of 2 and semitones are 3 (in the context of a scale) pitches instead of 1

@stefanie_m466 Жыл бұрын

it's about waves that collide at the right moment, they sound naturally good. if you derative the scale then you better don't mix it with other waves

@brynhogan7028 Жыл бұрын

hmmm? I prefer your version to the original. The vox pulls on the tonal underpinning a bit like Chino Moreno's style within Deftones. Next up 15 Step in 31 TET by way of Four Tet.

@stephenweigel Жыл бұрын

*15-TET

@brynhogan7028 Жыл бұрын

@@stephenweigel shall I fax Radiohead and request them to retitle it?

@stephenweigel Жыл бұрын

@@brynhogan7028 of course

@henrikljungstrand2036 Жыл бұрын

Why are you describing 31edo as "alien"? It is virtually the same as quarter comma Meantone, which was extensively used in music practice during the European Rennaisance. You might call 31edo "Extended Meantone" perhaps.

@foljs5858 Жыл бұрын

well, maybe because we're not in European Rennaisance, and the largely western group of collaborators here probably has western audience experience in mind with rock, pop, jazz, etc...

@henrikljungstrand2036 Жыл бұрын

@@foljs5858 Thanks for your answer! It seems that what we condider alien, changes from age to age, and not just with from culture to culture.

@baze3SC Жыл бұрын

It's only similar to 1/4 meantone if we pick corresponding 12 pitches out of that 31 which they don't. They deliberately left some intervals in there which sound strange / dissonant. As for Western / non-Western, consider Indian ragas. They too came up with twelve pitches (shruti) because it's the smallest number of steps which approximates naturally consonant intervals that arise from the harmonic series. Harmony is not a "Western" thing. Something either sounds consonant or it doesn't. Some cultures explored it deeply, some didn't care (maybe music wasn't high on their priority list).

@henrikljungstrand2036 Жыл бұрын

@@baze3SC I agree that Harmony is universal and not ONLY a Western thing. Although some cultures (the Balinese/Javanese e.g.) deliberately embrace some disharmony in the form of shimmering/beating of almost but not quite consonant intervals). Also, in the Indian Raga system, there are two important different variants of each shruti, except for 2/1 (Sa, "octave")) and 3/2 (Pa, "fifth"), so there are 22 shrutis, not just 12. And, more importantly, in the European Meantone system, people usually used 13 tones of the chain of fifths, not just 12. Sometimes they used as many as 17 tones. As for which intervals are harmonious: Firstly they do not respect "octave equivalence" perfectly, so e.g. 8/3 (perfect eleventh) is less consonant than 4/3 (perfect fourth), but 5/2 (major tenth) is more consonant than 5/4 (major third). And 12/5 (minor tenth) is less consonant than 6/5 (minor third) but 7/3 (subminor tenth) is more consonant than 7/6 (subminor third). Secondly there are even more than 12 consonant intervals narrower than the octave, e.g. we have (not counting the most consonant, perfect unison 1/1), the perfect octave 2/1, the perfect fifth 3/2, the perfect fourth 4/3, the major sixth 5/3, the major third 5/4, the subminor seventh 7/4, the minor third 6/5, the lesser tritone 7/5, the minor sixth 8/5, the subminor third 7/6, the minor seventh 9/5, the supermajor second 8/7, the supermajor third 9/7, the neutral sixth 11/6, the greater tritone 10/7, the major second 9/8, the greater subminor sixth 11/7, the supermajor sixth 12/7, the super fourth 11/8, the lesser major second 10/9, the submajor seventh 13/7, the neutral third 11/9, the neutral sixth 13/8, the greater neutral second 11/10, the subfifth 13/9, the major seventh 15/8, the subminor sixth 14/9, the ultraminor third 13/10 and the neutral second 12/11. The minor second(s) is/are not even on the list, since they are in firmly dissonant territory. Even if you don't count anything more complex than the major second 9/8 as consonant, we still have 16 consonant intervals within the octave (not wider than 2/1).

@baze3SC Жыл бұрын

@@henrikljungstrand2036 If you take a deeper look though, those 22 shrutis are microtonal variations of the main 12, something like a historical split key on Ab/G# occasionally used in Europe. Also I wouldn't say that just because something has a nice ratio it sounds consonant. Some intervals like 7/4 are only useful if they reinforce an already stable chord like 4:5:6 vs 4:5:6:7. Tritones, no matter whether expressed as 45/32, 10/7 or 7/5 are just rational approximations of the square root of 2 which splits the octave exactly in half. This is the traditional "diabolus in musica" and it's unlikely to be used harmonically. But yes, in just intonation some intervals have multiple rational approximations. The choice depends on what other intervals the music uses.

@VynceMontgomery 10 ай бұрын

near 5:45 - you say no third, but you show no fifth (shell voicing)

@LeviMcClain 10 ай бұрын

Thanks! It’s already in the pinned correction comment.

@emilyrln Жыл бұрын

Microtonal music is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. Why did I click on this video?? 😂 Half an hour of painted wincing and flinching, here I come… 😅 Edit: 1009% worth it. I don't know if it was the timbre, arrangement, or something else, but that was beautiful!

@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Hahahaha thanks for sticking it through! I used to have the exact same aversion (still do depending on the circumstance), but once I started messing with just intonation stuff, it was like the clouds parted! Thanks for giving us and my channel a chance.

@crisrobles3425 2 күн бұрын

There are 31 pairs of spinal nerves :o

@monacograndprixsucks3586 9 ай бұрын

I always play fretless bass microtonally;)

@CrusaderGeneral 6 ай бұрын

I think the 12 note scale set is played out.. The 31 note gives new unlimited possibilities.

@LeviMcClain 6 ай бұрын

31 is certainly a worth while pursuit! I’m working on a ton of new 31 videos right now!

@code2220 Жыл бұрын

Вова, мы обязательно заценим

@PaulMcMinotaur 11 ай бұрын

Nice! That bass line is stanky in a really good way.

@jonnsmusich 4 ай бұрын

Yeah: This works. Interesting.....

@ptechlead 11 ай бұрын

"It will just sound off-putting" "Try to make it more palatable" "Try to get the audience used to things being wrong". The only thing that saved the "True Love Waits" cover from sounding like absolute nonsense is that these guys are actual musicians, and they understand the more important thing about music: rhythm and time feel, and dynamics. That is why it sounded okay, INSPITE of the 31, not because of it. I think 31 is an interesting experiment, I think it is worth the effort and study and exploration, and experimentation. However, let's not beat around the bush here, whatever they're are trying to do here, whatever I just heard is NOT music. It is an interesting project, which is, at the very best, slightly related to music. 31 is kind of an invention. Unlike the 12 tone system, which was more like a discovery that humans have discovered over the years - humans most likely FOUND the intervals that they liked, and their audience liked, way before they were formally 12.

@tristanperciful6609 3 ай бұрын

What makes you say it isn't music? We developed tuning systems around the intervals of the naturally occuring harmonic series, which by nature are the intervals that sound most consonant. 12 tone is based on pythagorean tuning, which focuses on the 5ths and sacrifices the 3rds while 31 is based on 1/4 comma meantone, which sacrifices the 5ths and focuses on the thirds. Neither is inherently better, but we are more used to 12 because we had always considered there to be 12 main pitches with minor tuning adjustments based on context, but we eventually needed equal temperment to play increasingly chromatic music on instruments that cant easily bend pitch. 31, to me, is like looking at an alternate history in which people didn't base modern tuning on Pythagoras, but on the intervals that define chords: the third. Sure, this situation has massively influenced how 31 has been used (and how it hasn't) but calling it "not music" simply because it is a theoretical exercise is a massive disservice.

@dwsel Жыл бұрын

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@LeviMcClain 11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@nomoremister 11 ай бұрын

Now do "Barbie Girl."

@jabrown Ай бұрын

It sounds like this is just played off-key, lol. But then again I don't know the original song, so I can't compare. It would be cool to here more pop songs covered in 31-tone temperament.

@danmazeres 11 ай бұрын

Play it again, but this time with more bottle caps.

@mitzzzu_tigerjones444 11 ай бұрын

Ladies and gentlemen… …Welcome to lo fi theory 101🫠

@SroTheProducer 9 күн бұрын

It sounds somewhat like tool

@regrub.nitram Ай бұрын

So it happens that radiohead can be even more depressing

@zekinler 11 ай бұрын

Gonna be real, it all sounds the same, supermajor sounds like major, subminor sounds like minor, i didnt notice you played a neutral chord, and i couldnt tell any differences when you compared the tuning systems

@stephenweigel 11 ай бұрын

that's a common feeling to have when subminor and supermajor are used as variants of minor and major respectively (I first experienced it when singing Daniel Newman-Lessler's "Nature's First Green is Gold" all the way back in 2019). The difference is clearer when you compare subminor and minor right next to each other for example. For a deeper dive into comparisons (different tuning systems also) I'd recommend the one on my channel.

@schthaxe 11 ай бұрын

Well, listening punk of various kinds, you'll often get those distorted (microtonal?) pitches, so it don't sound much unusual for me.

@wiegraf9009 11 ай бұрын

There are plenty of musical forms that use microtonality, they just don't come at it from the academic point of view

@Atticus_Moore 11 ай бұрын

so the notes in my head are real and its been micro tones this whole time. well shit how am i going to get microtonal instruments...

@stephenweigel 11 ай бұрын

Try googling “scale workshop Sevish” to audition sounds

@ernie5229 9 ай бұрын

Everyone focuses on the reason 31 sounds bad. "It sounds bad because you've heard 12 tet all your life." To me, the important part is simply that it does sound bad. It doesn't matter why.

@LeviMcClain 9 ай бұрын

I think there is a lot of utility in understanding why we feel the way we do about music. By itself, 31 doesn’t sound bad. It doesn’t sound good either. Thinking of it like that kind of misses the point. It’s a system which can sound beautiful and horrible depending on how it’s used and who’s listening to it. Just like 12TET, or 24TET, or 7TET, or all the other TET’s we’ve used throughout the history of our worlds music.

@ernie5229 9 ай бұрын

@@LeviMcClain I love music and music theory and very much agree with your opening statement. I've known about "odd" temperaments for a long time but didn't realize so much work had been done with 31 tet. I was very excited to hear the music it produced. I listened to many, many pieces in 31. I considered not one of them even close to beautiful. Almost all of them appeared to purposely accentuate the dissonant nature. It's like they were trying to sound creepy and uncomfortable. It all sounded the same. If you know of other examples out there that are "beautiful" or just not intentionally dissonant, I'd love to hear them!

@LeviMcClain 9 ай бұрын

@@ernie5229 check out One Hundred & Thirty One Roses by Zheanna Erose

@ernie5229 9 ай бұрын

@@LeviMcClain Yeah. That made my point exactly. Weird & dissonant. The fact that they tried to make it peaceful and beautiful made it even more creepy. I guess there is a reason 31 isn't mainstream!

@LeviMcClain 9 ай бұрын

@@ernie5229 eh, I guess it’s not for everyone! I was floored by its beauty when I heard it

@contumancia Жыл бұрын

well, since radiohead uses synths and synth have oscillators and oscillators work with frequencies there way more than 31 notes if you convert all into frequencies : ) the importance for me goes on making something new and original with the power of making someone feel something : ) just listen to my music and you will know what im talking about : ) many people tell me I sing like radiohead but i never even listen to them.. so i dont know : )