That or just tell Riddler he didn't even bother finishing the riddle before figuring out where he was

Riddle me this, I am- Key, you’re a key Oh fuck off

i can definitely see him making “technically correct” answers to the riddles to show how dumb some of the riddles are or can be.

@@posermatt1293 Riddler: Riddle me this. What gets wetter the more it dries? Spider-Man: Bane. Because when I cut his Venom supply and it spills all over him, he shrivels up real fast. Riddler: That's not right! Why would you even think that!? Spider-Man: The human body is mostly made up of water. Shouldn't someone as smart as you know that?

I'd pay a lot of money to see spider man interact with riddler, just imagining his replies is hilarious and gets me in a giggly mood

Gotham criminals aren’t scared of a wisecracking hero, they’ve always dealt with robins (especially dick). It’s specifically Batman making jokes because he’d obv never do that. I def see Peter being pushed into dead serious scary mode after finding a bombed kindergarten with kids stitched together tho

It's like that bit where spider-man didn't talk throughout most of the story, which freaked out the criminals to the point that they just gave up....and it turned out that spider-man was just sick and so didn't want to hurt his throat.

I don't remember if it was real or a fan comic, but there was one where Spidey confronts a few of his villains, and is saying nothing, the first two call him out for why he's not talking, and Mysterio just goes "oh no" But it just turns out he has laryngitis, as he softly explains to the cop after turning the villains in, lol

Part of the reason people fear "silent spiderman" is because and if I'm wrong or miss remembering it was either symbiote spidy or another spider person pretending to be spidy that didn't Crack jokes the whole time they were out fighting and they were Brutal almost breaking some one in half I think might be wrong. So Mysterio seeing a silent spidy remembers that day and says " oh....OH!!!" I also think it's an unwritten rule with his rogues that if he isn't cracking jokes it's best to shut up and leave or turn yourself in

@@Onimura123 I think that may be part of it. Someone else summarized it along the lines of "If Spider-Man isn't talking anymore it means that he's now devoting all of his focus towards HURTING you, badly." So that does fit.

too many art school rejections i see

OH NO

Your ripped this right off of tumblr(iirc) But ya, basically this.

how are batman's villains about arts and humanities lol

@@highdefinition450 Psychology(Joker, Riddler, etc), Theatrics(How many make overly elaborate shows), Philosophy, and many more parallels.

On that note, outside of Peter being just as smart or even smarter than Bruce, he is also a master of improvising. Many inventions he makes to takedown his villains early on are usually hastily thrown together from spare parts or on a budget.

@@spacevagabond4017 Especially the "on a budget" part

I loved Ends of the Earth. It also shows that Peter learnt a lot about his foes too not just their powers but their entire personalities.

@@spacevagabond4017a thing that bothers me is we dont speak on peoples area of expertise, and only focus on who’s smartest which isnt as important. Peter = material science genius Stark = weapons Reed = exotic sciences Ect

What Batman and Captain America smartness

Would he? I feel penguin unlike kingpin could actually recruit Peter Parker to join his criminal enterprise

​@TheDCbiz Ultimate Kingpin did that, but didn't ask. He just trademarked Spider-Man and made it so everything that had Spider-Mans face on it, brought the Kingpin income. The more Spider-Man stopped crime, the more popular he gets, more popular he gets more merch is sold, more merch is sold, more money going to Kingpins criminal empire.

@@christianjones7012 that's a great fun plan. When did this happen, what comic book issue do you remember?

​@@TheDCbiz The ultimate line. Idk the issue number anymore. I was in middle school and elementary as Ultimate Spider-Man ran. Not the new Ultimate line obviously. I'm taking the 2000s Ultimate Spider-Man.

@@christianjones7012 gotcha thanks I'll look it up :)

tower of babel is definitely moreso the source of the idea that his ‘prep time’ means he would defeat literally anyone you could match him up with.

Prime Batman even says 60s Batman is even more prepared than he is. The man was smiling when he saw the Shark Repellent.

He didn't just have shark repellant. He had it in the Bat Helicopter. He was prepared for a shark attack while flying a Helicopter.

In my oppinion : in a World where Killer Croc and King Shark exists carrying Shark repellant is not crazy prepared, it is common sense and Wayne could finance the Bat just by selling this stuff.

That dude was a comedically ready forever every possible scenario 😂

The issue with Batman’s rogues gallery, is that for the most part they show up and wreak havoc alone. This is almost always the case for the first encounter. Otherwise you have two other situations, it’s a duo or trio teamup, or it’s a city takeover. And in those situations you always seem to get factions of villains, you always have the solos taking advantage of the chaos, you have the main threat, and then you have the supporters. Best example of this is the long Halloween, basically every single villain is on the loose, but only a handful are actually working together. And usually they are the ones that mesh well, scarecrow and ivy, joker and riddler, penguin and catwoman. But for the most part it’s going to be duos working together, usually a mastermind, like penguin, two face, or joker, and a meta human, like Ivy, croc, bane, etc. Outside of the 5 main ones, spideys rogues don’t really work together.

@@klo1679 wasnt bane the mastermind in his most important story? also, while that's true, most of those villains wouldnt offer much of a challenge against peter. the penguin and 2 face for example would end up as c level. maybe the penguin could become a b level. but he isnt anywhere near someone like fisk. so i really doubt he would. croc would be a dumber version of the lizard, which means, a downgrade in threat level. cat woman would also be nowhere near someone like black cat. overall, batman would have a much bigger issue with peter's villains, than peter would with bruce's. the most dangerous would probably be the scarecrow, depending on how the gas affects him. but peter would probably get so pissed off, scarecrow would only use his gas on him ONCE. also, the fact peter faces multiples of his villains at the same time, while batman is often helped by his companions make's a huge diference. as in, peter would take longer to resolve a situation, than bruce. so bigger casualities. so there's that. ironically enough, i feel like, bruce would mesh well with the fantastic four and the avengers. while peter would probably be overlooked when it comes to joining the JLA.

@@marcosdhelenoyeah JLA is never at a loss for powerhouses or mobility, but money and intellect are always welcome on most teams tbh.

​@@RaphDeGrate I mean Peter still is intellectually superior to a plethora of characters in the League, the setback here is that he's semi-permanently broke and doesn't have much connections, if given the chance I feel like he would be on the level of someone like Mr. Terrific for example. But yeah, this is a long-winded way to say I agree, JLA would 100% overlook my guy.

@@klo1679 A lot of Spidey rogues are basically hired guns. Nearly everyone you could mention has been a part of at least one villain team. Even the freaking Lizard!

Yeah, this whole video just makes me want to see Batman VS Kraven. And also Batman VS Mysterio. Annnnnd Spider-Man science-ing it out with Mr. Freeze. I...dammit, somebody go start writing some fanfics!

I like this idea a lot.

Real ​@@jacksongreen4107

Another interesting thing is that the Kraven family has a thing where they deal with Legacies. Sometimes a son of Kraven will take the mantel, and the look, and try to succeed their father. Then said father returns and takes back the mantle. I can see Kraven’s children fighting other members of the Batfamily as a right of passage

I agree with Gramuglia that Kraven and Batman are very similar, and almost funhouse mirror images of each other. But there are 3 key differences, Gramuglia mentioned some but I think he missed two I find important, though I think others have brought up to some degree. Kraven is a Hunter where Batman is a Detective. Kraven is willing to Kill where Batman is not and strives his hardest to not kill. But here's another important one - Kraven is seeking a good death against a great adversary, he has a death wish, and Batman does not. Those latter two points are what I think make Kraven especially dangerous for Batman.

Perfect, All I could possibly add is- Thwips the eyes, then asks wether they have a mouth or mouths. Before the last joke the coin is knocked down a grate or drain.

His confrontation with the Scarecrow would be hilarious. "You see Spider-Man, I am but a dark reflection of the terror you could instill in villains if you just stopped your YAPPING!!!" "...was this whole scheme a drawn out way to try and get me to shut up?"

@@archivist_13 i think scarecrow would probably be BY FAR the biggest threat to spiderman. his scare gas would do some really heavy shit to peter. on the other hand, scarecrow would probably end up as a 1 time villain, since he would be so brutalized by a peter, that he would never dare to try and create another spiderman that doesnt hold back... as a side note, i have said this before, but all the batman villains would probably be far easier for peter to deal with, since his version of those villains (kingpin/penguin, bane/rhino, the lizard/croc) are far more dangerous and cunning than batman's. bane would prbably be a massive joke, since nothing he could do would be a threat to peter. hell, its so onesided, that if bane tried to break peter's back, he would just complain that bane is the worst chiropractor he has ever met, since he couldnt even hit the spot right. before ripping bane's tubes, developing a cure, and administrating it to him to stop the effect of the drug.

​@@marcosdhelenoWell there's two variations of Bane. One being the dumb hulk like brute who crushes everything. That sort of depiction of the character would be a "So same fight again next Tuesday?" type villain. But the other few depictions where he is portrayed to be a genuinely cunning and smart tactician, yea I can see that one being a rather big threat to Spidey. Like in Arkham Origins where he single-handedly found Bat's identity and raided the batcave. Bane could serve as Kingpin 2, but a lot more ruthless and dangerous because instead of a mobster, he's an entire terrorist organisation.

I mean... yeah

Wrong Deadpool would be the most affected spiderman is his best friend

Yeah, new targets. Peter would probably let Frank hunt some of them like Scarecrow and Punchline. He gets Joker though

There was a Batman/Punisher crossover comic where Bruce has to save the Joker from getting shot in a random alleyway by Frank. Only time I can think of in the comics where Joker was scared of anything, like his only fear is being killed in an inglorious manner by someone who barely knows who he is and will forget him a few days later.

@@CuteKiller313a few days??? Try seconds

And honestly Spiderman wins that

I think it'd still be a very interesting fight. It could go that way, and Spidey easily outwits and outmaneuvers Joker, but Joker has a great time laughing at Spiderman's jokes. That's a good one-shot, but then Joker eventually brings up his "one bad day" philosophy and Peter explains that that's simply not so. The Joker's mentally ill, and Peter genuinely wants to help. That's fun. But it's only one way it could go. Or, Spiderman whip's Joker's ass in a physical, mental, and comedic contest, and it turns out Joker hates losing. Hates being the butt of the joke. Joker's a maniac with an ego, and he wants to lash out. He wants to have the last laugh. And he refuses to accept that Peter can't be broken, because if one bad day isn't all it takes....then Joker is weak. Peter's existence says that Joker should have gotten back up and tried again. And the Joker absolutely can't accept that. What does Peter do here? Beat him up and have the police throw him in jail? We already know that doesn't work. Peter might still want to help the Joker, but he doesn't have resources, and he doesn't have Arkham. He just has himself, and what if he can't get through before Joker hurts someone? What if he can't get through at all? What does the Joker do? Well, he isn't stupid. He knows that Peter has lost people before, and it didn't break him. But he also thinks that Peter could snap. When Peter beat the crap out of Kingpin, he was getting revenge on someone who crossed a line. But if Joker pulled that same thing...he'd be laughing. He'd be gloating in victory. There's also just the chance that the Joker sets up bombs or gas -- Spiderman doesn't really have the tools or resources to stop that. They could end up in a loop where Joker kills a dozen people, gets beat up and jailed, escapes and kills a thousand people, gets beat up and jailed. What does Peter do when he reaches out to the Joker with empathy, tries to help him, shares a little bit of his own trauma and how he got back up....and then Joker uses that information to hurt him. There's a lot of dynamics to play with. It'd be interesting to see a dozen writers all do their own "What if" -- I think Spiderman wins and it's a fun time in seven of them, Spiderman stops joker but it's not a moral victory in three, and Joker wins (by his own standards) in the last two.

The best Spider-Man vs The Joker fight was done in Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker when Terry actually decided to laugh at the Joker and run his smart mouth at him.

Give me you best Spider-Man vs Joker quips. And GO!

@@brianmoyachiuz905 I will not

There is also the fact that Peter KNOWS when to drop the Spider-Man act and be just Peter Parker. If Joker even hints at threatening May or MJ, that's it. PETER PARKER is fighting the Joker, not spider-man

@@pyrotechnic1818 woe be the Batman villain who becomes the demonstration on why you DO NOT, under ANY circumstances, make things personal with Peter

@@pyrotechnic1818 Yeah and ugh...Joker would still get wreck. Not even the Joker kill switch is stopping Peter from insulting Joker in a cathartic, comical, and dangerous way.

Joker doesn't hate Batman at all, though, so of course he would hate Spider-Man "more than Batman" because it would be more than zero.

@@DavidRYates-tk2tq Eh depends on the continuinty. Joker used to just want to kill batman as opposed to the whole "i love him" stuff

Isn't that the dame thing? They are both a limit that each respective hero puts upon themselves.

@@thepsychicspoon5984 there is a difference, Batman rule is set in stone and he would never kill of his own free will Spiderman however will Kill , or try to if Pushed far enough or he sees no other options, but will Hate having to have done so,

@@milesedgeworth3667 I disagree. There IS a difference, and it's Morals. Batman has the 'Rule', because he is always tempted and has to remind himself, all the time, constantly "Don't break the 1 rule". But Spiderman doesn't have a rule, because he doesn't NEED a rule. Killing someone NEVER Crosses his mind at all. He never needs to remind himself to NOT kill, cause he is morally BETTER than Batman who needs to constantly remind himself.

you stole that from superman, and spidey does have a no kill rule... thats like the foundation of his character

​I kinda assume the no kill rule only existed so that they don't kill popular villans and use them for many stories or in the case of animated series, to stay PG and kid friendly. The films in the other hand can kill because they can always change the actors and make movies with different and clear countinuities. Plus they don't use the same villan for the sequel most of the time since they know they had to pay the villan actor more money next time so it's better to have a new villan[there are acceptions]

That would be adorable

"Yeah Riddler, I love riddles, I do them in my free time!" "....me too." "We should write riddles for each other! Only rule is no hurting innocents" "Yeah... ok" Bam rehabilitated Riddler

"Dang it Spidey! Stop reading the monster's stat block at the table!"

"Why did the chicken cross your face?" And then he smacks Riddler with a rubber chicken.

He would give a riddle with as many answers as possible, and the riddler would have a mental breakdown

​@@Yggi11congrats I giggled at your reply out loud XD

“Riddle me this…” “I like knock-knock jokes better.”

What’s in my pocket?

A tale of two batmen. The first is Gotham batman you know the detective the man we all know and love. Then you have the justice league batman. Which is leagues above the other batman. He has fought planetary threats literal Gods and became a God. Base justice league batman can take on parrademons you know the apocalypse monsters that rip concrete apart like its made of wet paper. No preparation for that batman. But base Gotham batman yeah not getting much done even with preparation.

@@nathanprice6189 :o Good point

Not really since most of their villains are similar: 1. Black cat vs catwoman 2. Lizard vs killer croc 3. Venom vs bane 4. Green goblin vs joker 5. Kingpin vs penguin 6. Doc Ock vs riddler 7. Sandman vs clayface 8. Vulture vs firefly 9. Shocker vs Mr freeze kinda 10. Mysterio vs scarecrow

Batman prepares for no prep-time.

Batman has prep time for his prep time.

That sounds more like something that Iron Man would do...

Bro punched scorpions jaw CLEAN

​@@christophersamueldearlysih262 which tbh makes zero sense. Scorpion has the same exact power scale as Peter.

@@CyberBlastoise Debatable. Scorpion was created to match or surpass Peter back when he was a teenager. It's canon that Peter has gotten stronger since then, both from getting older and just physically maturing, but also how much he fights and pushes his powers, compared to Scorpion who just...doesn't really. It's not unthinkable that Scorpion hasn't gotten any stronger since he became Scorpion, while Peter has.

While Superman pulls his punches, why would Spider-man?

@@kiillabytez because Peter doesn’t want to kill people.

I mean, I would run from someone with a flaming newspaper too.

​@@Onyrooliver oh god, he's burning the comic strips !

​@deathserpent9747 Noooo! Not Doonesbury, you monster! Why God, why?!?!?

Mysterio vs scarecrow, both are master illusionists just one uses tech and robots vs the other using bio-chemical agents

Mysterio enters daredevils life one time and he leaves him with severe Trauma,the guy has also invented gasses strong enough to muffle Spider-Mans senses

Al principio lo tomaría desprevenido pero luego se adaptaria

Dude was such a good illusionist that Norman thought he was banging Gwen Stacy. Heck, Peter thought he was getting cucked as well; But that was all Mysterio baby.

​@@TheDCbiz Heres what i think. Scarecrow goes specifically for his victims' fear with a toxin, and batman made an antidote and has almost nothing he's scared of, while mysterio uses technology that can't be permanently disabled with an antidote like in some stories, so in a fight Mysterio would win against batman more times than scarecrow agaist batman

Off the top of my head: Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Killer Croc, Poison Ivy, and possibly even Two-Face could also all likely get the spider therapy talk.

Some of them that would work, but the reason most of them don't get help is because they are genuinely insane, not just in a bad situation. They need more than an outlet, or a talk to be healthy. If it was that simple then Batman, or more likely Bruce Wayne would of done it a long time ago.

@@acidaspida8885 I Disagree. Batman seems much more of a "You broke the law. You go to prison. Period. No exception!" And once in Prison, he leaves, and never interacts with them again unless he has to. Spiderman, however, will let them go if they aren't hurting people. Poison Ivy, for example, is happy if she is isolated alone in a forest or plant situated place, and able to just enjoy living and working with her Plants. I could SEE Peter Parker actively working WITH HER, setting up a lab for plants, to help people with benefiting plants, and keeping people out of her location so they can't harm her plants and drive her mad with anger and revenge. Look at Lizardman, who retains his human mind. Spider man helps him, and employs him, and when the Lizard mind takes over, beats him up to stop him, SAVES him, then releases him to keep working. Except for the Sinister 6, MOST of Spider Man villains actually go to jail, cause Spider man HELPS them. Batman NEVER helps any of the villains. Ever. I don't think there is a single comic, cartoon episode, or movie where Batman actually works with, employees, and helps the villains even when they break the law. Perfect example? Mr. Freeze. Every single instance of Mr Freeze vs Batman, Mr Freeze ALWAYS ends up in jail. Period. Under Spiderman tho, Spiderman would HELP him cure his own disease, cure his wife, and both fund and work with him for those cures. Spiderman actually CARES about the villains, when they aren't just evil for the sake of evil, and WILL actively go out of his way to help and save them.

@@Jirodyne he got two face surgery to help him. He helped the one little girl reality warper. There's more, those are just the popular examples I know of the top of my head.

@@acidaspida8885 "one little girl reality warper" If you mean Ace, he didn't "Help" her. She was literally dying, and he just stayed with her so she wouldn't be alone as she died. It's sad, and tragic, but literally ANY Hero would have done that for a young child, or else they wouldn't be allowed to be called a Hero or Role Model

I don't honestly think he could, at least not as a pure Batman villain. He's got everything Bruce does on top of metahuman physical capabilities, the only way he wins is if he calls in backup from a hero who doesn't frequent Gotham. Not even prep time can save him, since if Bruce has the ability to plan, so does Norman.

It will be like a Deja Vu

I don't care what the Green Goblin would be like as a Batman villain because he wasn't made to be one and his entire character would have to change in this experiment. Meanwhile, we can imagine how well superheroes could do fighting other villains much more easily and without the need to essentially just make up new characters but slap a known name on them.

Well its just joker that can take a bit more hits. Its nothing really that amazing.

Both have a brute villain that destroyed them (Kraven & Bane), and they both have archnemesis that are narcissistic as hell making them want to humiliate the hero (Mysterio & Riddler).

I duality he pointed out where Batman is an expert in stealth while Spider-Man’s spider sense gives him extreme awareness

@@jpyanity443 Basically, they're both ninjas

their parents are both dead

Yes but only one has the writers as their eternal villain to put them through hell multiplied by 100

That Part lol

Then saying the joker is simply the goblin without powers. Major L in that regard.

Not to mention all Spider-Man’s villains have the inspiration from Batman’s villains

@@bman1235 Also the fact Spider-Man's quips and mocking could probably break Joker. Batman Beyond did something similar and Joker looked like he was having an existential crisis (as the video mentions). Peter could no doubt do worse.

He was so wrong on many things. Thats why he went from would lose to harder.

Scarecrow doesn't just spray you, by the time you notice scarecrow is around you already have it in your system

@@acidaspida8885 Counterpoint: Spider man has a danger sense. Sneaking up on someone and dosing them with someone without them noticing is way harder when they have a precog sense yelling at them about your intentions.

@@somdudewillson it's fear gas, not fear injection

⁠@@acidaspida8885 It doesn’t matter what the danger is, it just has to be danger. Fear gas would activate his spidey-sense, whether it’s released in a bomb or passed through a vent or siphoned through a pipe. It is an early warning that sense potential dangers, whether it is truly a threat or not. We know from various medias that gases such as tear gas do indeed activate spidey sense, as well as smoke from fire and other gaseous substances. It isn’t about scarecrow, the gas is the real danger and he’d react. I want to be in favor of scarecrow because spidey sense is OP af and I like scarecrow, but I can’t see Spider-Man not reacting to the gas even if it blew up in his face

His spider sense will warn him of dangerous gas. End of debate.😂

It'd theoretically end pretty quickly though. Even at his strongest, Bane's weaker than Peter.

dude i said this before, bane would end up as a c tier villain. he would become a bigger joke than the rhino, and god forbid he tries to pull that knightfall bullshite on him. i can already picture it, peter just standing still as bane throws a punch, and breaks his hand on peter's jaw, with peter just there, imobile, looking at him without saying a word. lets be honest, no matter how tiered from fighting peter would be, if bane even touched a loved one of his, it would be bane who would end up with a broken back.

Or, hear me out, Venom fights Bane while Spider-Man watches.

"it's an interesting and new Tuesday but still."

pretty much, let alone how he is used to fighting most of them at the same time. the fact almost every batman villain can be considered a downgrade from a spiderman villain(in terms of power) is enough to make him not have to worry. bane would basically end up at a worst place than the rhino, since he would be far easier for peter to deal with. and god forbid if bane even thinks of hurting one of spiderman's loved ones in his version of knightfall. bane would be the one with his back broken. hell i can even imagine peter just standing still imobile, as bane throws a punch and breaks his hand. with peter just looking at him without saying a word. yeah, dude would go back to wherever crawlhole he came from pretty quick after that.

It's the most absurd break in character that Batman never just... pays for Victors research. He'd get a villain off the streets and get a supergenius to design tech and medical wonders.

Many times I’m pretty sure Nora is dead, or thought to be, and Mr freeze is just taking revenge on the people responsible. Batman does often try to atleast help him with his condition, as far as I know

Yeah exactly, he’s a master of stealth, and in this hypothetical situation i could even see him not confronting the villains for months or even years if it means having enough time to devise a completely full proof plan to take them down.

i dont think anyone is claiming batman to be spiderman without powers. BUT its very clear that the batman's version of the trope, (lizard/croc, bane/rhino, manbat/vulture, mysterio/riddler, kingpin/penguin) are FAR less dangerous than spiderman's. to the point of some of them, like penguin and bane ending up as c tier if they were to fight spiderman.

No, as don't overlook the qualities of Batman, that's fucking ridiculous. You invalidated whatever the rest of your comment was by starting it with such a stupid assertion.

@@gamingwithquancena4989 Yes, correct. Except Batman has never taken years to confront a villain. And also people assume Batman is taking on these villains with only what he can carry in his batsuit. Here’s how the scenario should take out: A spiderman villain appears in Gotham and commits acts of villainy. Batman investigates, and before engaging learns about this villain. Then he gets ready to engage the next time the supervillain strikes. If it’s the Joker, he might leap from the rafters and punch him. But if it’s Green Goblin or Doc Octopus, etc., he would bring tech. He’s got cars, planes, bikes, mech suits, drones, missiles, alien technology, etc. I don’t know Spiderman’s enemies well enough to judge what it would take to stop them, but everyone who says instakill Batman is ignoring the plot.

​@@abj136it's coz ppl undermine batman coz "hes just human" but if we take a step back and look his feats alone show he isn't a normal peak human ppl take advantage of batman being human so they automatically think he loses every fight first encounter when in reality he actually investigate b4 going straight into a fight this is why I hate powerscaling with batman coz it takes away his whole character and marvel fans know this as they just want everything in their favor

Not anymore

@@joeda900I’m sure somewhere, deep in his mind, he still shutters when he sees it. Just an involuntary reflex. It doesn’t affect his day to day life nor his ability to be a hero… but when he goes to sleep at night, his dreams turn to nightmares of a yellow hellscape that he cannot escape until the morning comes and he wakes up.

There was a time it was _wooden objects_ . *You could kill multiple green lanterns with a no2 pencil*

​@@spacebearcadet746 I seriously want to know what idiot came up with that and why...

That's just spawn

With Batman's willpower, I doubt a symbote could control him. Now if they joined on equal terms bat-venom would be a nightmare.

​@ravenovf7817 rember venom is only bad because a little bit of the host will always be in venom. Batmans got some real mental problems going he's definitely gonna make venom worse.

@@TraceyTra-kv1xe yeah hence why he would be a nightmare. First thing he would do is straight eat the joker.

@ravenovf7817 Yeah, and then he would blame venom and fail to understand that it's not really venoms fault. it's just a victim of trauma that people make into to a monster. Venom would be a very poetic batman fo but the best are.

So did Batman for that matter. What would break joker in that is that Spider-Man has had so many bad days, and in general has a miserable life. For all of the bad Batman has gone through, he still has a decent life.

Isn't riddler just the Batman version of Doc Ock?

@@TheDCbiz Not really? Doc Ock is essentially a cyborg, Riddler is just a guy. Doc Ock is a nuclear physicist and roboticist; Riddler is has some scientific and engineering skill but he's primarily a logic and trivia guy. Ock is a megalomaniac who wants to accumulate money and power; Riddler is mostly out to prove he is smarter than everyone else. Ock is short and pudgy, Riddler is average sized and lean. I'd say Ock is closer to the Penguin- a short, ugly genius who wants to be respected and is widely considered the "second arch-enemy" of his superhero; Riddler doesn't really have a neat equivalent in the Spider-rogues gallery although you could argue he's closer to Mysterio than Scarecrow is in terms of role, goals and motivations.

@@jonathancampbell5231 i disagree. Riddler is the intellectual foil to Batman. Doc Ock is the intellectual foil to spiderman. To defeat each villian typically both heroes must outsmart their villains not brute strength or combat. Yes octavius is a cyborg but in goals he also tries to outsmart or thinks he's outsmarted Spiderman. Penguins motivations imo fit more along the lines of kingpin. But yes technically Batman and Spiderman share no exact riddler or doc Ock comparisons im just comparing how they are foils for our heroes. Technically being a cyborg for superman metallo would more resemble Superman's doc Ock but as a foil lex Luther typically fits that role. I view it as who resembles the same foils to the heroes

I dunno. I think one can argue that Peter would be capable of outsmarting some of Riddler’s schemes without defeating the riddle. The real funny part would be if Spider-man nonchalantly answers a riddle instantly.

I feel like Spider-Man would at least humor the Riddler and answer one of them while making fun of the Riddler's schtick

Huh? I think Batman also mentioned how easy it'll be to make s far more lethal kryptonite mix.

And in part 2 he wrecked Superman without even breaking a sweat

​@Rengokuo4o6 "I didn't have to go easy, a binding agent a stronger mix. No, I just needed to remind you to *stay out of my way.* in all the years to come, in your most private moments, I want yoy to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember *the one man who beat you*"

​@@pyrotechnic1818Superman has beaten batman more times than batman has beaten superman.

@vaderkurt7848 not true at all.

i agree, to me, HOWEVER he is the only real threat spiderman would have. bane for example would just become a less threatening and easier to defeat rhino, while the penguin and 2-face would just get wrapped up with ease. on the other side, i also dont see batman having much of a problem dealing with MOST of spiderman's foes either. that is, until he faces kraven or the goblin. kraven specially since he is a far smarter and cunning bane i mean, knightfall was basically batman's version of kraven's last hunt when you think about it.

@@marcosdheleno Not true. Ivy would also be a difficult villain for Peter to fight. It's the red hair. He has a particular weakness for redheads. 😁😁

i would severely disagree on that regard. spidey has the goblin, who pulled some insane shit on him. on the other hand, pretty much any of batman's foe would become a joke facing spiderman, by the simple fact they are just that far weaker than the spiderverse counterpart. bane for example, would just become a c tier level, done in quicker than even rhino. while the ridler would not be able to really do anything against spiderman, that's not me saying batman would have a hard time facing spidey's foes either. i feel like to batman they would be far easier to deal.

Bane is more like Kingpin

​@@gapsule2326Except Kingpin is a dangerous fighter; He has almost 0 fat on him and the dude at a point was the best fighter within the Hand.

@@boxtupos7718I’d say Bane is a pretty dangerous fighter too, though I haven’t seen a lot of him so I don’t really know, just assuming cuz he’s all smart and strong and stuff

@@boxtupos7718 Insinuating Bane isn't a dangerous fighter despite going toe to toe with; and frequently beating Batman, both in and out of suit, is kind of crazy. Bane is not only extremely strong, he's also extremely intelligent and can often rally people towards his cause.

Bane is closer to Kraven to me. Both are pretty much just in it for the bragging rights of beating an unbeatable hero. Both a master strategists and martial artists. Both use some sort of chemical to enhance their abilities.

Yeah, the closest thing to Spidey's personality in DC, is the Flash, who often gifts his villains things during holidays. There's a reason Flash held the league together morally

Most of Batman’s villains are so much weaker than spider man that he doesn’t need to consider them as villains.

@@kellyevans3254 Well it's not just a power thing, it's also an outlook thing and morality thing. Batman is primarily an enforcer of the law, he stops crimes, chaos and things that don't follow his morale code. Spiderman helps people, he doesn't focus on stopping rules from being broken but rather on stopping people from getting harmed. In practice these can often ovrlap but with characters like catwoman the dynamic would be very different.

​@@georgekatkus5162well that and the fact that flash's main villains generally have a rule against killing innocent's or speedsters. They're not always irredeemable monsters, unlike 90% of Batman's villains

​Wich is ironic considering that Flash nemesis (reverse flash) is probably the biggest monster in DC universe ​@@mrpersonmanthing5572

Are they used to fighting someone that will sneak up and attack them before they notice?

@jacobellis2313 yeah, Spider-man is known to do stealth

THISSSSSS !!!!!!

The implication that Batman sacrifices more than Peter does is hilarious.

@@Blue-EyesWhitePrivilege where did I imply that?

Agreed. I honestly feel that if Freeze was able to accomplish his goal in rescuing his wife. He would immediately change his ways and become a heroic character after that.

​@@XRioteerXBoyXI'd Read a whole Comic Series of these two trying and succeeding, and then a Freeze who changes his ways. His wife Safe and Unfrozen, now he's turned over a new leaf.

Batman tried to help freeze. Freeze is an ass and betrays batman so spiderman wouldnt be able to either. Also with all the crap batman makes its funny to say that spiderman is a better scientist

Meanwhile in [insert your favourite Yakuza game here]

"Stop hinging the fate of the world on death matches!"

If Norman suddenly saw Bruce Wayne move Wayne Enterprises into New York he'd probably still do that just because it would be able to push back against whatever monopolies Oscorp might have.

And what's scarier is that he's legit saner than Two-Face; he's more self-aware and can switch between his two personalities on a fly.

Ok but why would Green Goblin be any bigger of a threat to Batman than Lex Luthor? They’re both brilliant business men with custom gadgets, and corporations that essentially own the cities they operate in

Except Lex doesn’t go insane and irrational as often as Norman does

@@bobjones4762He would be a bigger threat hes lex with super strength who gets down with the hands and has a slight healing factor bats would be in some deep shit

Exactly 💯.

didn't spider-man basically throw his whole life away when his aunt died once? and another time he nearly became a killer over it too spider-man has an exploitable emotional side, I wouldn't put it past the joker to find a way to mess with him just for fun and out of spite

fax batman is folded and humiliated

I always hate it when people say meeting Spider-Man would break Joker’s “one bad day” philosophy. Jason Todd’s life has been nothing but bad days and he is still fundamentally good, working to help people. He just does it like a spy, taking out threats before they can kill anyone else. Spider-Man is great, but you don’t need a crossover to break “one bad day”. Joker is desperately clinging on to that excuse, but he doesn’t really believe it. He doesn’t need to, excuses are for other people to hear.

Haha spiderman fanboy.

i would say its a stronger and more feral lizard, which is exactly why he would be easier for spiderman to deal with.

Ijbol, Kraven won't say that to Batman, because of how easy he'll pack him up

@@samuraisings5105 I was more thinking he's being sarcastic.

@@thegrandxbunny2073 oh 😂😂😂, cuz Kraven takes down bat really easy

I love how like 10 spidey villains have reformed. He is doing something right.

​@@samuraisings5105 Lol, I would doubt that very much.

Not to crap on the metaphor more for a comparison, I think tony stark would get his bearings much faster than bruce would if they were dropped in the other universe without resources. Tony really just needs a bunch of scraps and basic supplies to get going, while batman's plans have way more specialized and expensive materials. Though I think that would be a neat comparison between Tony stark and Bruce Wayne who'd get back to top form faster.

Ivy might work since her powers come from the Green these days...I think, I haven't read any DC stuff in awhile. It feels like that'd work on some weird totemic spider-level. But she'd still have to get close to actually use it, and with his spider-sense/agility, that's way easier said than done. Fear toxin/Joker gas are more up in the air, I feel like it's worked on aliens and such before, but I can't remember if it was specifically made with other stuff to work on them, or if it was just sorta handwaved in those stories

Scorpion's toxin and Mysterio's sense nullifying gases did work on Spidey before though. The latter straight up dulled his spider-sense even. If fear toxin can affect his spider sense that would be really, really bad. But usually illusions or chemicals are thing Spidey can either resist more than normal people or straight up stop working quickly.

His spider sense has also saved him from mind control before.

Spidey's problem with Ivy is simply that he's a sucker for hot women, especially redheads (MJ) and especially crazy bad-girls (Felicia). He could wear a sealed spacesuit and she'd still play him.

Does he even still have that in the latest run?

Im pretty sure Joker wouldnt just try to shoot him tho. He would have a joyride of horrors for him. Peter is way stronger sure but don't forget that all of the DC universe is disgusted by Joker and knows how dangerous he is.

​@@Great_White21 and spider man has had literally nothing but bad days

@@EntombedToast70 ooo I think that would just make the joker More deranged. Like Alright you haven't a Joker brand bad day. Though tbh I think Joker with prep time is FAAAR more dangerous than batman with prep time

@@anthonyham5589 still doubt he could break spiderman mentally, make him pissed? Hell yeah, break him? Never

​@@anthonyham5589 don't forget, yes Joker prepping to harm spider-man would never reach the levels of pure evil that Norman can plan out in a single coffee break. Norman's plans on hurting Peter is just pure cruelty, from making clones that make peter question his reality. To becoming bonded to the carnage symbiot and infecting all of Peter's friends and families. To not only killing George Stacy but also killing Gwen in like a single week. Jokers big event style plans are like a normal Tuesday for what Norman does to Peter

People also don't understand that Spidey's villains are also aware that he's pulling punches so most of them do the same out of fear that he might stop doing so. I remember that one comic whare Peter gets sick and couldn't talk so when he went to stop some bad guys he was silent. The sheer terror on some of their faces got me laughing so hard I was on the floor bro. The fools legit almost pissed their pants because they thought that Spidey was currently pissed and that he might no hold back against them.

And when he doesn't pull them and goes maskoff... Let's just say his victory ratio is basically 1 at that point.

@@kriegerh That's fucking hilarious.

Eg, Doc Ock takes over Peter’s body and shatters Scorpion’s jaw with one punch because he wasn’t holding back, (Scorpion being a superhuman in power armor, specifically designed to fight Spider-Man)

Grundy would smash rhino

@@rontrej6973 Solomon Grundy want pants too!

Not all, superman gets powered down by his enemies for them to be a threat since superman is the opposite of an underdog in terms of power against most of his villains

@@user-xe5qs8rj6u I'd say that there are still a number of Superman villains who are his superior in terms of raw power.

@@N0-1_H3r3 well yeah but most of supes main villains are weaker than him and if they show someone who is equal to him or stronger they just show supes stop holding back and overpowering them. Supes main villain is Lex who is just a super smart dude that always uses kryptonite to get the upper hand

So far this seems to be the best Comment here.

Shocker isn't a super genius, but he's smart enough to know that Batman's way more trouble than it's worth

It USED TO BE about morality.... because batman respects human life but then under the red hood retconned it into being cause hes crazy. Its another dumb retcon to try and make batman into an anti hero... something batman SHOULD NOT be

@@MILDMONSTER1234 ehhh id argue there was always an element of his mental issues beign a big factor even in the DCAU he talked about how close to the darkness he was the the DCAU being very well written also had a unique counter argument the justice lords episode showed while he is the closest to going over the line he is the one who could come back if they went to far

​@@MILDMONSTER1234 he actually used guns a whip and killed he only had a no kill rule because he shot a criminal in the manor and he shot Alfred aswell because Alfred was behind the criminal that was during his original dark knight days

@@MILDMONSTER1234no if anything it makes more sense

​@@MILDMONSTER1234but when you realise that joker always escapes prison and kills 100s doing so the morality of letting him live goes out the window

That's more inconsistent writing and worse, writing that obviously contradicts most of what we have read before. basically it's a garbage claim.

Electro has the potential to become a major threat if he wasn't an idiot.

@@danielebowman Oh but it is. THe thing is also that one time Magneto wanted to get him on their side (I do not remember why) but when he saw how Electro acted and was, Magneto was dissapointed in basically how stupid and shortsighted Electro is. To the point that he decided to not even talk to him.

​@danielebowman No, it's mostly his stupidity and lack of creativity. Electrokinesis basically let's you become a God. You could kill someone instantly by controlling their brainwaves, possibly destroy the planet. Along with electromagnetism

Not necessarily who I expected or wanted to be stronger than Magneto, but this does make Electro as a character both more frightening and much funnier. Stronger than goddamn Magneto, but he's dumb as rocks so he's stuck in Queens.

I totally agree with this! Spiderman is a kid. Just look at the psychological effects of their names. "Friendly" neighborhood spiderman vs The "Dark" knight who symbolizes fear, uses fear. Anyways that's what I think. Fun to think about it though.

spiderman has survived some traumatic crap though. the maximum carnage arc where pretty much all of new york was turned into psychos by carnage was a crazy war of attrition that went on for days without sleep. he has had super villains successfully cause the death of his loved ones in such a way that he feels it was his fault. and then there's Venom, a super vilain that knows pretty much everything about him, can nullify some of his most important powers, and bodies pretty much any batman villain with the possible exception of firefly if he is ready and knows just how effective fire is.

Ah yes, _Spiderman,_ the hero who has as one of his _most defining traits_ the fact that the universe kicks him down constantly and he gets back up anyways, is "just a kid" who'd promptly crack.

@@somdudewillson You misunderstand. To "get back up," you first need to fall down. Spiderman falls all the time. He "cracks" all the time. What we keep coming back to see is how he picks himself back up afterwards. Which is again why Spiderman struggling in Gotham just... Works. For me at least.

I put Batman at MoonKnight level. It still ain’t pretty for Bruce… if he picks a fight with the Lizard or Hobgoblin😂

See, that's a very interesting question. I suspect they'd actually fit well into the other's world.

😂 lots of hospital beds will be packed with goons in either case, I think thst Matt might be very angry when he sees the justice system of Gotham.

​@@TheFatalcrest He'll love learning that the former District Attorney leads his own gang now.

Bullseye does already feel like a second-hand Deathstroke most of the time.

@@agramuglia outside of the penguin vs kingpin. kingpin is a FAR more dangerous foe compared to penguin. and if facing daredevil, the penguin would just get his shit kicked in, while his entire gang is left broken. by comparison the kingpin would probably outsmart and take over the underworld of gotham with ease.

I mean, Spidey fought the Joker once. Clown went down with one punch.

Joker being just a goofy guy that doesn't want death and chaos at every corner would be a fresh take for the character nowadays, I'm growing tired of him as he is right now in comics

​@mateushenriquepinheiro3197 Right? His name is Joker, that's what he's supposed to be. What his entire identity is about. He shouldn't be some serious, supervillain meant to be taken completely seriously. Some of his crimes and plots should end up just being harmless purely for psychological warfare

It's even funnier how Spidey would even agree that he's insane.

Spider-man has cured lizardification, symbiote outbreaks and vampirism before. He is very familiar with villains who use chemicals and also has learned a lot of counters. I'm fairly confident he can come up with a cure to Joker gas.

@@yoursonisold8743 i have no doubt that Spider-man can come up with a cure , but he will have watched hundreds, if not thousands of people die horribly before he comes up with one. my point is Peter failing the citizens due to him underestimating the villains will stick with him for a long time, which is more than half of Gotham's rogues' main objective when facing heroes.

​@@yoursonisold8743Lizerdification is a transformation. You can just turn them back. Joker just kills hundreds of people with joker gas. No spiderman villians other than carnage cause damage on that scale.

@@Marc-rw3dd there actually has been many times where spidey has actually dealt with death on that scale(almost all his villains are city level). Also Joker Jas doesn't always kills it only kills if you leave the victim alone to die to usually suffocation and the whole idea of a antidote is that it is going to effect someone who was already infected if there was no saving than there wouldn't be a antidote. Also Marvel does a better job of if there is high level tech and health care there would be a high chance that at least most government places would have them so spidey doesn't even need to do the job of devising a cure alone. Also I just remember Spidey usually deals with Scorpion's venom(which can also be in a gas form and has kill whole city blocks of people before) which is strong enough to weaken and kill superheroes who have super healing and usually negate all form of chemical warfare.

Spider-man and suffering are synonymous with each other. Gotham villians would give a challenge and give emotional trauma. However, he is resilient.

Batman _is an engineer_ though. He built most of his materials in the Batcave on his own. He only enlists the help of others like Mr. Terrific and otherwise to do insanely huge projects like the Hellbat suit or the JL Watchtowers. Peter Parker is absolutely smart enough to figure out the Riddler. He's done his own serious intelligence work before and he's one of the smartest people in Marvel, right behind Reed Richards and Dr. Doom. That's why he can behave like such a jokester, he's smart enough to figure out his bad guys and do it quickly.

@@nuclearsimian3281 This misses my point, an investigator and Detective aren't the same as an engineer, Batman IS the proof, he didn't learn multiple skills and knowledge bases from the same mentors and teachers. These are all different forms of IQ traits and knowledge. Batman is a better detective than Spiderman so we should assume the riddles and general situations are difficult. I would easily assume, if Spiderman and Batman were in Gotham together, Spiderman wouldn't just become an equal detective to Batman just like out of nowhere.

Yeah but Livewire isn't a Batman villain. She's a Superman villain. And he's been affected by electricity before, so it's unfair to assume that every piece of gear he designs is immune to EMPs or electrical currents.

Batman versus the Sinister Six would be the end of Batman. There is no way even with prep time he could "magic bullet" his way through six supervillains at once that consistently beat Spiderman when they work together. Unless, of course, the story is about how Batman unravels the plot and in turn figures out a way to beat them individually or force them to turn on one another.

@@jodinsan Yeah, no, Batman loses that fight EASILY. But seeing him uses his mind to defeat them, instead of his fighting skills, would be such a fun read.

So you think that Joker was pissed bc he thought Terry was disrespecting the Batman name?

@@benjiammin Well he was screaming "YOU'RE NOT BATMAN" at Terry on the top of his lungs, so I guess

​@@benjiamminJoker is batman's biggest fanboy. Without batman he goes catatonic. He wouldn't fight spiderman. Batman would stop spiderman's villains with ease, before they even manage to do anything. Spiderman is always reactive, never proactive. Batman is proactive and reactive. This video is funny. It's like batman hasn't fought godlike villains like Darkside. Or the Batman Who laughs. A batman that beat and took Dr Manhattan 's body.

I think there is a valid point, but the counter point like in the batman games. Bats Villains are often acting at the same time, Which could be intentionally trying to ware the bat thin, And in the hypothetical of the video, its just Spiderman as the hero. So he can't be in the 6-8 places at once to deal with the things like bats and his family. Last I checked, Peter does not take Ls well

@@anthonyham5589 The original Sinister Six had Spidey fight all day long. Each do a different crime spree to tire him out, and they still lost. Thy later all ganged up on him in a surprise attack, an lost. Then you got the time Carnage took over the city "Web of Shadows" style, Venom did too with heroes,and Spidey beat them.

@@anthonyham5589 Yeah this is specifically the plan for Joker in Arkham Origins and Arkham Knight/Scarecrow in AK, get as many elite villains as possible working together in one night so that Batman can't keep up. Its also not a million miles away from Bane's plan during Knightfall of releasing every from Arkham before confronting Bruce so he'll have to have dealt with everyone almost simultaneously.

@@malleableconcrete an Arkham outbreak is still objectively easier to handle than a Sinister Squad imo. Think about it, barring Ivy and Clayface, who is a challenge for Spider-Man among the Bat-Rogues? Scarecrow at best has a 50/50 of getting negged by spider-sense, Bane peaks around Kingpin in strength, Joker is a crazier less tech savvy Goblin without Super Soldier stats, the League of Assassins would be like a field trip into Hell’s Kitchen to fight The Hand until you get to Ra’s himself, and even the Court of Owls throwing Talons at him isn’t the worst considering he’s kept up on the front lines alongside Asgardian warriors. Kingpin is basically Bane without the venom reliance/weak spot and arguably as many resources and connections. The Wrecking Crew are all roughly as tough as asgardian warriors and The Wrecker’s crowbar is a discount Mjonlir. Scorpion’s suit/tail has managed to make Spider-Man put in effort to hold back strikes and Rhino’s strength usually terrifies Peter unless he’s giving into his rage. Doc Ock is a talented genius with 4 highly advanced Swiss army tentacles that have an array of features and capabilities, the least of which keeping up with spider-mana strength and speed. Clayface meet Sandman who can turn a sandy area into a colossal Titan. Electro is gonna be trouble straight up. And then you get Goblin who I’ve already mentioned to be a more tech tavvy Joker with super soldier stats… but Carnage makes even Goblin look like a puppy in comparison, literally created as a “what if Joker got the Venom Symbiote”. Even Lizard is an upgraded Croc. An Arkham outbreak for Spider-Man is like a larger Sinister Squad with watered down versions of his enemies. For Batman a Sin6 would be like a bunch of his villains either got PHDs and/or upgraded powers and decided to gang up on him with a few extra spicy villains added in for good measure.

Tbh with exceptions of Doc Ock and Green Goblin, Spider-Man's villains are dumb asf. I think once Batman realizes how majority of them operate, they won't be an issue to him anymore.

Now just throw in the... Y'know. Predator. And it's a Predator V Predator V Predator!

I think I’d he can beat death stroke he can beat kraven

@@clevernamerighthere9240 Kraven fights a super-powered hero constantly, and gives him a serious run for his money every fight. Death Stroke may be a great warrior and scary-ass assasin, but Kraven hunts people with super powers daily, up close and personal, for sport.