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Congrats Zap. you lucky bastard

@@biara2payara We do but why is he using this account instead of his other one tho

Great video idea! I should have stolen it a while back when you suggested it to me! :D

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I can also see that. Austria's economy was devastated after fighting many wars (including the lost Austro-Prussian War) and the 1867 Compromise was necessary to prevent another Hungarian Revolution. In real life the Austro-Hungarian economy managed to recover thanks to fighting no wars for decades (besides the invasion of Bosnia in 1878), but Austria-Hungary now losing against the new German Empire and Russia at the same time would damage the country so much that its collapse would be inevitable. I think Austria-Hungary would just survive a few more years until it breaks up and the Austrian part will be absorbed to Germany.

definitly

Most certainly

germany would probably win ww1

I'd love to see that^^

italy did get corsica when they were talking about peace treaties, but then i think josh forgot about it, becuase it became french on map again.

Possibile history made One video like this

It would be beautiful

La Bourgogne renaît 👀

Why would it? Practically no great power wanted a divided France out of fear the another great power can fill the vaccum and gain more power. France would just become expansionist. You will need ALL the land european powers, such as Prussia, Russia and Austria to secure such a feat which is incredibly unlikely, unreasonable, unpopular and not benefitial to anyone. Possible History made a video about it. Not that I want to be a debbie downer, just saying. 😅

Breton and occitan would not be suppressed in the 19th and 20th centuries and would thus not be dying langauges in the 21st.

Imagine a timeline in which the USSR becomes more free and liberal while the US becomes for authoritarian every election

The sequel is basically the whole europe joins in to beat up germany (and maybe russia too) like they did with napoleoic france

@AF_Studios the South german militaries were weak and in the brothers war fell quickly and easily to prussia. Infact they are the main reason the Austrians lost the brothers war. The austro-prussian side of the war was even with 2 victories each. I see no reason why an even stronger prussia would not also defeat the Southern germans quickly again (especially with pan-German nationalists likely taking their side). Austria would collapse very quickly with both Russian and prussian pressure. And likely minority uprisings taking advantage (like the hungarians). With them falling quickly and the french historically losing to the prussians alone (now imagine them against the italians and Russians too). I doubt the British would get involved as the war would clealry be in the prusso-russian favour early on, the British did not want to fight Russia again after crimea, the prussians were their main European trade partner, they disliked and distrusted napoleon iii and they would take time to gather any forces, even if they wanted to support France they likely know they would have little time to gather forced for intervention. Its more likely they would attempt to mediate a peace treaty that pressures some balance.

@@matthiuskoenig3378 I agree with some of your points. The Prussian military is superior to the Austro-Hungarina or South German militaries. However my main gripe with this scenario is the balance of power. The Prussians, like any other great power at the time, were weary of the Russians and their expansionist, pan-slavic goals. The total collapse of Austria-Hungary would provide no check to Russian expansion into the Balkans and Constantinople. This DIRECTLY goes against British interests. It did not matter if Prussia or Germany in our timeline was seeb as an important trading partner if they were actively going against British interests. British statesmen at the time would know that such a conflict with a Russo-German victory will negatively impact Britain with no other option but to play game with game as there are no other great powers on the continent in the long run if they do not intervene. In such a European wide conflict, Britain not intervening is just a bad decision which will deal long term consequences for the Britain. To protect against Russian expansion at the very least is why Britain will join. As said earlier the Prussians, later Germany, did not like Russian expansion into the Balkans out of fear it will make Russia too powerful. A port in the Mediterranean would allow Russia the capability to have a larger role in Mediterranean and world trade, again making the Russians more powerful. To reinterate, Russian expansion into the Balkans with no check to them like Austria-Hungary was will go against Prussian, British and even Italian interests. Thus, I believe Britain would join such a large scale, European wide conflict to secure the interests and maintain a balance of power which will go to dust if Austria-Hungary is destroyed and France severely weakened. Even if Prussia and Russia win this war, is it really advantages for the Prussians? To Bismark, no. Russia would grow too powerful with no check against them. A revanchist France will always be a thorn on the German side. Not to mention Bismark's entire goal throughout German unification was to convince all German states to unite willingly under Prussian leadership. Conquest and the removal of kings from the thrones of various German states would result in internal hostilities. There were many different states with their own identities and allegiances. Such internal hostility will hamper German growth. Bismark, even after unification, spent the rest of his time consolidating the German nation to have better internal unity and external alliances. Without this, it would not make Germany stronger, it might make Germany weaker. Seeing how such a scenario will end, its no wonder why Bismark was so against it.

@@matthiuskoenig3378napoleon the third did improve Franco British relations and they had previously fought together in the Crimean war and both worked together to make Mexicans pay debt to them along with spain

I know lol this scenario is just too illogical no wonder why it's called a fan scenario 😂

Well, the farther you go beyond the point of divergence, the more discrepancies you will have.

Yeah, I don't see this happening without Britain and probably the ottomans jumping in as well, almost definitely on the side of austria and France

I like the scenario but I agree that Britain and the Ottoman’s I think would intervene on the side of France and Austria, Britain because of positive relations, and the Ottomans because of the Crimean War making them be primarily invading Russia

Well, i don't doubt that a little, considering that this German empire nevera makes it's entry into the naval race into the first place.

@@JunoDasRam The naval race was largely a public facade for the British government's general desire to cripple Germany's and Russia's development. British foreign policy (ever since the Hundred Years War and the loss of continental territories, but at least since Napoleon) has always been to stoke tensions and then ally with the smaller party to keep the European continent from posing a united threat to the British Isles. Britain was heavily invested in keeping several rivaling powers of largely the same power around.

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@@electrical_cord Dude... uncool

get that trash timeline outta here

He I like that timeline

@@00martoneniris86 It’s complete fantasy

@@Cotswolds1913it’s historical entertainment my good man. No need for hostilities.

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Yes the UK would have helped, they had rather good relations with France at that time.

I considered them joining, and let that up to Josh, but I think they would've stayed neutral, due to a mix of isolationism, and similar to irl, the Prussians showing the UK proposals given to Prussia of France taking over Belgium

When you can’t even beat a small section of the distracted Austrian army whose empire is slowly collapsing(Italy 1866) and only won and achieved unification with French help (2nd Italian war of independence) you know your a failure of a country

Way to much, especially with Bismarck. He preferred a state with few „non-Germans“ even objecting to the annexation of Alsace. So annexing the entirety of bohemia/Moravia or even just Bohemia seems unlikely.

@@hermannkokos6795 Yes, but in this timeline, Bismark doesn't have as much power as he did IRL, so the treaty was too much out of his control

@@hermannkokos6795 bismarck didnt want alsace because if would antagonize the french, but whaat could austria do in retaliation without the rich land of bohemia-moravia?

WWI would still occur, and the empire would still collaps, unless Franz Joseph died or abdicated much earlier, and Rudolf made some different dicisions, like not going to war with Serbia.

​@@redblaze8700I mean....does the assassination that prompts the Austrians to declare the war even happen tho? Like there's zero reason Franz Ferdinand would go to Bosnia and we can't assume Rudolf would have the same policies or thoughts on the South Slavs as Ferdinand. Perhaps a war still occurs but its very possible that its not the hapsburgs causing it

Better yet, what if he revived?

Most realistic Josh/Mr. Z/Whatifalthist scenario

That would definitely change the civil war possibly even making it never happen but could see either a southern confederation or if war does break out then we could see the war lasting less than in our time with Canadian troops joining the North

@@Carpediem357 i think slavery would still happen because george Washington wanted to be a unifying figure and wnding slavery would get rid of that. I could see it still happening but maybe ending it in 1950. But it really depends on who canada would vote for

@@Frazier16 1950? Damn it'd last over a 100 years. But I don't mean Slavery would be abolished more so I think because the North would have more states the South would be less likely to go to war and either form a South Confederacy like it did in history or the South would still declare war but the war wouldn't be as long since the North would have all of the Canadian troops

​@@Frazier16Don't you mean 1950?

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Russia and Prussia actually DID have a pact in real life, where russia would help if austria joined a franco-prussian war. check the Wikipedia page for causes of the franco-prussian war to find it.

@@ZapadoslavianMapping That's a promise, not a treaty. there's a big difference between the two and is much less binding. He also forgot to explain WHY the russian would consider it this time too. You can't have an alternate history and just say "and everything went exactly the same as our timeline" without explanation.

Also there is no way that Britain just does nothing. It is against their geopolitical interests to allow for a strong Germany or Russia to dominate Europe and threaten Britain’s hegemony. Britain would undoubtedly help France and Austria here. And I also doubt that Italy would join the Germans and Russians in the war. Sure, they would seize Rome, but France was instrumental in helping the Italians gain Lombardy, the Two Sicilies, and Venice. They would stay neutral since their armies hadn’t fared well against Austria a few years prior. I think with Britain’s naval hegemony, the British, French, and Austrians would eventually win.

I agree, in my Submission I called it a Great War, but I guess it got changed to world war by Josh

Thanks, I made it myself

@@ZapadoslavianMapping cool

​@@ZapadoslavianMappingWhere did you find the idea of changing the flag's color ? Did you have some sources that would strengthen this proposal or was it just an idea that you inventes for the scenario ?

@@spatialex I just used a mix of logic since the red wouldn't make sense, and Prussian Blue made the flag look cool

I agree, in my Submission I called it a Great War, but I guess it got changed to world war by Josh

Sorry

@@ZapadoslavianMapping I am actually in the process of working on a more serious one for the next competition

@@GeorgeRamsey22 cool

The Hungarian would won,Prussia would involved to the war for downfall the empire of Austria also Sardinia -Piedmont would manage to take Veneto-Lombardy and Dalmatia and Galicia would be independence or Annex by Congress Poland(Russia)

I agree, in my Submission I called it a Great War, but I guess it got changed to world war by Josh

yeah seems like the viewer is just a kaiserboo

They kinda were though, they had no chance. Maybe without Russia involved, France and Austria could have won, but Russia and Prussia is too much.

It is true that the south german states and Austria were not weak, but if you remember, in the Austro-Prussian War, Prussia still won even with almost all of the German Confederation against them. I don't think they would stand a chance now, especially with Austria being distracted with Russia and Italy

Why

@@4Face840 france weak

@@pyronderman9055 bruh France was already weak in Franco Prussian war

​@@pyronderman9055só is good.