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AlternateHistoryHub thanks for the thought exercise daddy

K

You should definitely do what if the Swedes won the Great Northern War

This could mean that no slave trade wouldnt exist

Exactly so egypt would not be

Also removing the Sahara might have huge ramifications probably changing earth's climate completely

was it 4000 ou 14000 years ago that the desertification happened? With the latter, we are talking a good 4000 years before any sedentary habits

@@Lawnio It began drying about 7000 years ago, its on a 20,000 or so year cycle

Its funny how AH just glosses over the affects the Sahara being green would have on the peoples in and around the region. Like the fact that the sub saharan africans we know today wouldn't even exist as we know them. The reason for this being the fact that the reason sub saharan Africans look so different from non-Sub-Saharan peoples today is they were so isolated because of the desert for thousands upon thousands of years that interaction with people outside of the Sub Saharan region was almost negligible. Also with the few that did have some relations with peoples outside SSA, like the Swahili, horn africans and East Africans, you can see how different they look to other africans who had no interaction with people outside SSA until fairly recently. Forget about people living in the sahara looking like today's berbers. You wouldn't find a person that resembles a modern day dark skinned, broader nosed and fuller lipped human till maybe modern day South Africa. There's a reason a modern day European shares closer genetic similarities with Indians who are much farther away than Sub Saharan Africans. Most likely in this timeline Sub Saharan africans would look like modern day Algerians with slightly darker skin and wider noses.

Thine blesseth the rains downward in Africaaaaa

HAHA

In Spanish the word "Toto" means "pussy"

Zamasu did 911 “Pussy, I’ve a feeling we’re not in Kansas anymore!”

Now this is a man I could get along with

Carthage

noice

@@Shaw4123 ??????

why? Egypt would rule it, not them

God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 The mass majority of the Green Sahara would be ruled by the native kingdoms and peoples.

Well it was actually very green and good when the vikings started colonizing it But then climate chamged and it became colder and here we are today

Kristian Kasmuller thats not how greenland came to be they named Greenland, greenland, to confuse any fleets looking to sac or pillage their villages into going to a cold place even though the name suggests otherwise and even if what you said is the case, then what about iceland? you cant just say its made of ice then melted without affecting the fact that the term "icelandic" is still around

how is it CLICK bait? nobody fucking clicked on it. Its more like adventure or journey bait

W O A H

WillWhiskey r/woooooosh

hehe, I though he would have had a africa rebecoming green somewhere in our know history, not that far back as never drying up! :)

And in that alternate universe where the Sahara stays green Toto would still make that song anyway.

I just got that fucking song out of my head thanks a lot

aveuch aliterate universe I bless the sand that blows to Africa

Rains would get blessed a lot less because it would be more common

fun fact "sahara" is an arabic word meaning desert

so that would mean what if the desert became a desert

More like "What if the Al'ard Alkhadra was a desert?"

So we always say desert desert

Omar Almalouhi the desert desert

That. But also a green Sahara would be the death of Europe as we know it today. It would look more like the Canadian Arctic or Siberia than rainy, or somewhat frosty with some months to grow crops reliably; wouldn't exist here. Essentially an equivalent population to Europe ~750M (or more) would probably be living in the green Sahara. And the inverse would be true as well the current population of Sahara would be inhabiting the frozen "European" continent. Also China would also be cutoff even further from the rest of the world since the glacial ice sheets of Xinjiang/Tibet would be extended further. Reducing harvest season and crop yields in East Asia. The Congo rainforest would become larger than the Amazon. Probably around 7.8M km^2. Sub-Sahara would also be more arable & fertile. Similarly with the southern US & large parts of Australia would be greener as well. The demographics and which groups would be dominant etc. would be completely unrecognizable to us.

@@JKTProductionzIncNCo he doesn’t give a shit about science, just the scenario

@@JKTProductionzIncNCo Hey maybe you should make a video about this. You seem to know your stuff.

@@JKTProductionzIncNCoyes please make some vids about the actual climate in alt history scenarios please

Oh Tassos The entire planet is affected by Saharan sand storms every day.

@@Heymrk not north europe asia

K K even South America

Jesus Cristh

Lol even that sand reached Mexico a few time ago.

Man of Current Years Glad I wasn't the only one to notice that XD

Man of Current Years well it is spooky month

Man of Current Years now I can't unsee it

Too spoopy

+LIoyd Christian | you mean Spoopy month, right?

British empire is worst empire

Makes sense

@Biracial Boy nope it was really the worst

@Biracial Boy look smart guy I know that there was a lot of horrible empires but not a single one of them was comparable to the British empire this empire made hundreds of millions of people suffer cuz it was the biggest fricken empire in human history in a time where every empire in Europe had to make the people they colonized suffer and I guess you know how much your little sad island colonized and how much suffer they brought to their colonies look I don't say that the Nazi Germany empire was good but I say the British empire made more people suffer so that why I think the British empire is the worst sorry to my bad English it's not my first language

I can think of the worse the Ethiopian empire

Australia is more of a dirt box

Its super effective!!!!

I hate egypt and I’m egyptian and I mean the area that I live in in egypt

Egypt was screwed up by so many cultures over the years... they'd be just another one

Upper Egypt (meaning _Southern_ dammit!) was first populated by the post-Sahara drought refugees so without that ever having taken place, chances are the Egyptian civilization would never have come to be to begin with.

@@jonasjojofalco9896 this time Egypt gets screwed by Agriculture *cue laugh track*

isn't The Chad Lake below the Sahara?

Crazy Person It's on the edge

Crazy Person This meme is called the virgin walk. It compares two subject the uncool "virgin" with only negative traits and the cool dude "chad" with only positive traits. His comments weren't referencing the country chad

Virgin Islands vs Chad Republic

Genghis Khan there is no cacti in the Sahara. Cacti is native to the american continent

Came to say the same thing. That desert basically cock blocked people beneath it from not only travel, but from establishing connections that could result in resources and cultural trade. In a situation where the Sahara did not block all that circulation from one end of the continent to the others, it's likely Africa would have industrialized a lot quicker, thus preventing things such as the Scramble for Africa.

You guys are missing the Fact that India, a region connected to Eurasian Trade and Tech Flow, was still conquered by a european Nation despite this, and so were many other regions of Eurasia. A Green Sahara wouldn't guarantee Europe wouldn't Colonize there, what it really depends on is how those regions develop. If they Develop like Europe did and Properly Innovate, they might not, and perhaps could conquer parts of Europe in the "modern" era/age, if they developed like the rest of the world did, at best more regions would adapt and maybe resist European Conquest while many other regions are conquered. Seriously, Europe didn't conquer most of the world for no reason, there were economic and cultural reasons for that, it wasn't just luck. Regions like the Middle East, India, and China could of dominated if the right things happened for them.

@@wires-sl7gs India got dominated by the British, who prospered thanks to their own prior established colonies and got really stupidly lucky in things going their own way along with the current situation with the twilight of the Mughals

this would only be the case in africa,but yes,it would be more a continuation of the middle east and asia rather than just deserts like in our timeline

What stopped Europeans from colonising Africa earlier than they did was disease, not technological advantage; they already had that for hundreds of years. Every time Europeans tried to settle, most of them died. When medicine improved in the 1800s, they steamrolled all over the continent in a few decades. The invention of the railway and trains also let them travel deep into the continent. Before Africa was colonised, it was known as the Dark Continent because of how mysterious and unexplored it was. No one knew what it was like beyond the coastline, and they couldn't travel deep inland. Not only did they die, the horses would also fall to disease and parasites. But with railways, trains and modern medicine, that was no longer an issue.

Sounds like an euiv mod to me

Just like Cody's Arctic passage video

Yep it would be awesome

Yuph like rome 2 total war mod

@@chocolateorange there already is a EUIV green Sahara mod it's just that atleast right now there isnt any nations added into the newly colonizable territory

god damnit

prequel memes?

lol "plus one like"

Collguy713 you know it!

BestAverageGaming it's course, it's rough, it's irritating...and its gets everywhere

et 37 the great emo war

et 37 Don't be ridiculous. That would be impossible

et 37 I swear I’ve seen you on Drew Durnil’s videos. Aren’t you the guy who keeps begging for the Top 10 MILFs video?

AMGaming I am, he has finally accepted. Now I ask for Top 5 CIV 6 Milfs

Too unrealistic.

indeed : )

@Wingdings empires want to know your location

@Memestlord, Historeeb The Great No, it'd stay for 20,000 years but the rains themselves will vanish in a period of 200.

Libya and Algeria: It's real green estate

@Femboy Gamer No. It is 20,000 years of rain, and 20,000 years of dry.

Don't forget to add a little bit of alien inhabited moon in there

Sammy Martin Virgin Dessert? Is that some sort of unfucked cake? Because I'll fuck a cake. Hell, I'll fuck any dessert.

Seamus Aindriu O'Coran Virgin Islands vs Lake Chad

Adam Desai I can't fuck an island. I can try, but it won't be easy. Maybe if there's a sinkhole somewhere.

this is a satisfying comment chain

Sammy Martin lmao

Tell Me This we would be screwed lol

what if "if" is "was"

Tell Me This hey, you again

Then the alternate video on if the Sahara were desert would have a comment asking if Sahara was yellow.

What if ''if'' was ''else'' ?

Is that real or just a stupid joke you tried to crack which nobody is laughing at

@Biracial Boy oh shit that's actually cool

we need to get rid of the French government first

@@erikeriks It's real, though it's more about reversing expanding desertification due to removal of existing forests for purposes like creating grazing land, which soon dies and the Sahara expands a bit more. The project is called The Great Green Wall and is happening in 20 countries. Success has been mixed, but about 300,000 square kilometers of desert had been reclaimed by 2018. The core of the project involves planting millions of trees, but related operations include adding solar power to reduce the need to cut down trees for fuel, soil rehabilitation by returning crop wastes into the ground, and returning to traditional practices that helped increase water retention.

@@M.Ghilas or the French nuclear test site in Algeria.

This video wouldn't exist then, because nobody would make a 'what if X was a desert' video, that's just boring.

Sahara mean desert..

Wooosh

@@hyperquick7412 alternate universe sahara means forest

@@milkyayyy9177 your like saying Desert mean Forest

We wuz romanz (muh Chad christianity)

Thiago Costa Rome collapsed because of its size, so I doubt they could hold on to that

Thiago Costa Or Carthage would've won the Punic Wars.

Rome collapsed because of the civil wars, the only Roman enemy was Rome itself.

Thomas Maiolino also true

What are you talking about. Poland is in the middle.

Fatal Shore For the silk road bro it didn’t go through Eastern Europe. It ended in turkey then went into Greece and mainly Italy.

in early civilization yes, but i think eventually empires would emerge near the superlakes and rivers, difficulting nomadic invasions

I mean, China and India were constantly uniting and shattering again and again.

Or maybe civilization would develop in sahara better than europe, sahara people would colonize europe. Mali would be the dominating force probably

Ogerpinta And then the Romans get murdered by the thousands bet re disease hits them.

tru

Well it wouldn't be called the Sahara because that's the arabic word for desert. It wouldn't even have a specific name as it would be just another chunk of land.

Huh, you're right.

Also why would it ever come to mind

thiagocrimson Fine then it would be what if the najil was desert.

HotChikenSUOP ? The nations of the world will have all of their climates inverted by some Icelandic scientist.

Woke: they are

How? With their furiously scaring ice fishing? lol jk

What if Afghanistan, Iraq, or Syria was a superpower and USA was a destabilized country??? No I'm not hating on US, I just found it pretty interesting if they switched roles.

Boa of the Boaians then we would have a huge war in Middle East

My personal opinion is that Africa would be much like it is today. Most of the continent in our timeline is already very fertile and brimming with resources, that's why everyone has been cutting slices out of it for hundreds of years. North African countries are not so poverty stricken anyway due to tourism etc. If the Sahara was green and fertile then It would have just made it that much more appealing to Imperial European powers. The problem with Africa now in reality is the inability of Africans to realise their potential. instead of working together to build their continent they fight and kill each other.

@@sicfaciuntomnes5604 I disagree. If we go by human evolution theories then many homo sapiens wouldn't migrate out of Africa and pretty much stayed there setting up massive civilizations. Egypt at one point settled in the saharas instead of the nile.

@@zebimicio5204 That's a good point!

@@sicfaciuntomnes5604 True, it's a strategy called "divide and conquer".

I think it would still be seen as that but the sahara wouldn't be as bad, right now countries like chad, mali, the sudans or the central african republic (all of them in the sahara) are some of the poorest countries in africa (with some exceptions like the DPRC) the sahara is the poorest zone in the poorest country, if the sahara was green it would be either the richest or a normal zone in africa due to being closer to europe, thats what made countries like morocco, late egypt or tunisia stand in contrary to the more isolated countries in subsaharan africa, but it is still africa so... (and an unification was totally impossible, there wasn't any empire in the world at ancient times that could achieve that either in military or diplomatic way all of africa was full of tiny kingdoms rivalring each other and there was a huge different between them by zones, africans from the kongo were as different to africans from the swahili coast as chinese and indians, and muslim arabs from north africa were totally other theme compared to their subsaharan pagan counterparts, even the climates and echosystems don't mach, and thats a pretty important thing because different climates mean different traditions and different tradittions mean different people, akka different ambient equals to a society of complete strangers that don't have any bonds with you meaning that they wouldn't see why a unification would be good via the diplomatic way because it would be like proposing a union between Persia and Arabia for some reason, and via the military way attacking people from different terrains would be a huge disadvantage (specially in those times) thats in part the reason why empires like the roman didn't annexed germany, and there wasn't any empire strong enough to maintain cities around the world unified by force, even for empires like the ottoman for example, their maximum goal was not further from the HRE and the Commonwealth because going any further would mean that it was to far to defend in case of an invasion or riot (and unifying the territories by force would cause a lot of those)(the only case were an empire took that much without having problems was russia and it was because siberia was an almost empty region) it wasn't until the europeans got such a big military advantage that a world empire was even possible, and things like the caliphates or the chinese dynasties wouldnt work because in those cases they were united under one thing they all agreed (the islamic religion or the chinese ethnicity for example) and africa didn't develop an african identity until recent times

they will shock with the civilization in eurob and islamic area and china and realize how far they were isolate from the world

Ohhh shit! Take that Europe🇬🇧🇫🇷🇪🇸🇳🇱🇵🇹😍

What if an asian empire had discovered America ?

What if America discovered itself

How many fucking retards are there?

Ronzesker it didnt

Ronzesker they technically did when they captured ba sing se

Ronzesker I’d rather sing secret tunnel

Ronzesker kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d9Jda5tqsp3Dc4U.html

Ronzesker you’ve got good taste if you feel that way

HYDRO KING Chaos would happen

We wouldn't be used to it, so we wouldn't care.

Dear god... Imagine the geopolitical consequences!

HYDRO KING What if we couldnt locate Lamb sauce?

Wtf is wrong with you you fucking horrible human being

Very sad how things have deteriorated. If you search mali on Google images now it pretty much just shows pictures of war and people posing with guns.

if interested, those that collect sand are called Arenophiles....the collections can be pretty extensive and varied. and has been taking place in some form or fashion for over a century. sand is a lot more interesting than many seem to to think it is.

CrabbierBull 391 But what is the glass in our skyscrapers made out of???

CrabbierBull 391 but is it also irritating?!

Hihihihihihi147 yes. Just like I remember it in my dreams

sharon.amy.alfred its made of pure evil

You got paint money?

Have you ever tried picking out a shade of paint to use in your house with someone else? Multiply that by 1.2 billion; that’s how you start WWIII.

Are these answers serious? I don't know, you tell me

New Question, is there enough paint on earth to paint the Sahara...? Spoilers! No

That'd be an interesting concept. What would happen if you used billions of gallons of paint on the Saharan desert? What kind of toxic wasteland would result from that? What kind of mutated freaks would live there?

Libya or Guinea If you look at old maps, those were the names commonly given

Or tasavaniyet in their native berber language

Bruno Pence Virgin Islands vs Chad Lake

Matthew Aether GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO DO THE THINGS WE NEVER HAAAAAD OH OH

Matthew Aether . . . nailed it!

song is gay as shit

Prestige Worldwide your gay as shit

Katsarelas and it's not suitable for agriculture.

savage q But it's suitable for making gigantic skyscrapers.

sharon.amy.alfred skyscrapers don't produce food.

but hey it makes us rich rich = more technology more technology = more ways to make food

Found the Jedi. The one who's on the council, but not a master.

Spunk McKullins Virgin Desert/Chad Rain Forrest

Spunk McKullins more like the Virgin Lakes vs the Chad Sea

Me Irl

Ikr Why do peop don't consider antartica a desert even tho it is

If you use logic, civilization wasn't a thing 2.8 mya (million years ago). Civilization is relatively new.

So Man originated in Africa. Half the continent had lush green resources for 9000yrs. but still no major civilization?

@@jaypercival431 Wb Mali?

jay percival Egypt? Empire of Axum? Ghana? Mali?

jay percival There are ruins all throughout the western Saharan desert there just needs to be an expedition carried out.

Yah thats true

Huh... So it's basically "the desert desert"

Renato Martinez they have name for it, but you know it as sahara

and thats alot true :D

In Arabic we call its " al sahara al kubra" which mean the great desert or the biggest desert. Makes sense right?

Yo optimus

Wait, optimus?

What

Hello Optimus

That would've been really interesting tbh

what if the Vikings didnt fuck up naming Iceland and Greenland

Than Greenland would be the new Australia

Reskov or the original Australia to be accurate.

Kaiser von Bidizanien the didn’t fuck up they did it on purpose

+Stay Frosty Games EXACTLY, thank you! Enemies to the vikings were told so to confuse them, additionally potential settlers were told Greenland was rich, fertile land to convince them to colonize.

Abhishek Pathak They would have focused on advancing west instead of east and most likely take a new capital outside of Egypt changing their identity once the empire dissolves.

we would have extremely small oceans and more nations and human wars could've existed

No

That be a really weird planet with a lot of people

Not enough water to sustain much life. Everything would be deserts

geographynow made a video on it

Anyone know?

At night it's -10ºC (14ºF) Because of this snow sometimes, google search: snow in sahara, it's truth!

So sei q o sul é meu país

François Maspuche, Happy to help! :)

Guis tutoriais, eu n uso o nome por ser separatista e sim por morar no sul. Gosto horrores do RS e do Sul, mas tbm do Brasil.

MySpaceBarBroke Never mind, i fixed it damn ur cute

MySpaceBarBroke Never mind, i fixed it Well I think not much in would change at all until Europeans arrived. After that maybe more Europeans would've gone to Australia. Maybe with a larger population and more agricultural land they would've been more influential in the region.

interesting concept...first thoughts on this possibility revolve around how the global weather cycle would have to be radically altered to make this a reality. the topography would also be very different than it is known today. the culture development would also have many divergent threads and tangents spreading across the region. it is probable that had Australia been green and more hospitable when first discovered by exploration that it would not have been viewed as a penal colony and more of an extension of the British Empire.

Since australia is *teeeeechnically* a continent, its likely it wouldnt have been colonised, as the natives probobly would have had easier trade routes with close countries, like the Philippines or china, and china would have multiple maps with a highly detailed and extremely conplex map of Australia, with approximately 10 or 12 seperate countries with similar language differences to france, italy and spain (no im not saying it would be any of these languages, but that australian languages would differ to each other similarly to these european languages) this would mean that instead of colonisation, australia would face the same fate as japan, and be forced to open trade routes with the eastern world. Its likely that the native australian culture would have been called the southern world (like eastern or western worlds)

MySpaceBarBroke Never mind, i fixed it

Sahara VII: The Grass Awakens

Sahara: Episode VIII - The Last Desert

Sand: A Sahara Story

Sahara II: Attack of the Berbers

Vader would return, as there would be no sand.

I know right? Especially since Berbers might become a lot more significant in this world. They've always been overshadowed in our world. Imagine, an Amazigh Empire!

What I thought would be really cool is, due to being closer to South America then any other Country, maybe the Berbers would be the first to discover America and establish a colony there.

That's especially interesting, because I've heard a few Berbers over the internet claim ancestry from Atlantis. They'll have the transatlantic civilization they always wanted!

Though I'd imagine a single Magrebian state would be unlikely; in fact, as Cody said, the Berber would not likely exist in this timeline. There would probably be many nations in the sahara, and probably more ethnicities and tribes. In fact, I'd imagine Africa would be a much more multi-ethnic continent in this timeline; with plentiful resources, easy travel, ,fertile field, and a central positions between all other major regions, colonization and migration to the continent would common.

AGREED. That would be something (hopefully a series) I know I couldn't put down.

In Hindi it means 'support'.

"Sahara Desert" Means "Desert Desert"

@@goyonman9655 the sahara is the moon moon of deserts...

@@sch3ffel ??

@@sch3ffel Sahara is the desert

mind blown! It'd be the world's largest humanitarian crisis by leaps and bounds, like climate change and refugee crisis x 1,000 Would we even survive?

Instead of the sea people, you would get the "sahara people".

America would probably blame Russia for climate change if that happened...

Imagine if the entire American Midwest, all those grassy plains and farmlands that feed the country and the world via trade, dried up and became a Sahara-like desert. Now imagine the humanitarian and economic global shit storm that would ensue. That's what a green Sahara suddenly drying up into a desert in the modern era would be like.

Say goodbye to society

yes!!!!

Valithian hell yeah

Valithian what if the Sahara won the great northern war?

Chandler Short What if Vietnam won the great Sahara war?

BØRK YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, and I kinda like imperialism too tbh

@@thesmiths3461 ??????

I think in a world of a green sahara it would mean that there would be likely some African Empires joining in the colonisation party and exploiting lesser africans

Mass starvation

mass death

Well if there was that much fresh water that would pretty much solve the water problems for many of the worlds countries and save 10 of millions of people dealing with starving and dehydration beging a castaway would be a lot easier, the polar ice capes would be bigger and melt slower and the oceans in general would be cooler and heat up slower ( freshwater heats up slower) Actually that could change the entire history of life on this planet, since life started in the oceans if it was fresh water life would have formed differently so everything could have been different This question has huge impacts on pretty much everything.........now why did you have go and ask such a brain buster like that???????😉?????

Theprfessor Given that life may have exclusively formed around the so-called geothermal vents on the seafloor, and those vents spew a lot of chemicals out into the surrounding water, i don' think the waters would have stayed fresh for very long.

If the oceans were freshwater the polar ice would also extend much further down. America would have been discovered by Europeans much earlier because they could simply walk over the ice during winter instead of sailing. And today you could even drive from Europe to North America by car over the ice in the north during winter like these people who drive over frozen lakes in Russia.

MandelSoft: My advice, was your hands often.

There is no resistance against Malaria and Ebola, both of which reside primarily in Africa. Malaria is the #1 killing disease in human history. There isn't even a close second.

Socio Philosopher also luck is hard to predict

Süleyman the Magnificent So you’re saying Old Kingdom Egypt may have existed in a green Sahara? That’s crazy.

Green pyramids?

Tameholly lol

Tameholly Bro, that's the illuminati.

Pyramids would look moldy and nobody would consider them a wonder worth keeping around.

SanSamurae If they were made of green rock they might have been MORE impressive. If attcks didn't destroy them.

What if the US never embargoed Japan? You get a two for one there as Japan would never attack the US.

Cadde if Cody makes a video about that, may I take partial credit for the idea lmao

if japan expanding its empire the embargo may have never been put in place, it's a slippery slope

+Cadde If there is no embargo, Japan would keep slowly expanding in Southeast Asia and China. They might go after Allied colonies anyways, but they might be more discreet in not getting the US involved. Whether Japan would fully win in China, or just go through a Vietnam style endless war, I don't know. Compromise between Japan and China would be unlikely, but after a decade or so of war, who knows what might happen? If the US still embargoed, the only path would be for Japan to only seize allied colonies, and not attack the US. Those who equivocated on imperialism in Japan had an unfortunate tendency to get assassinated, so there's basically no chance of Japan being spurred to peace negotiations with China because of the embargo. Even then, the path is risky, and it's very possible the US would enter the war later anyways, although this might make the fight over certain island chains more bloody.

+RequiemPoete Hitler would've only been able to develop a nuke after the war. The reason he wasn't able to make one during the war was because Lebensraum wasn't complete meaning he didn't have enough land to to make a nuke.

I cant take you serious because of you Profile picture + Name

Kachow

Lightning McQueen But if we backtrack farther how about the muslim dynasties that ruled Iberia and northern africa? Maybe the Sahara being Green allowed them to fare better economically?

Lightning McQueen Not to mention the Natives were unable to develop so the Chinese would just conquer North America - Grey has a video on this

Some Random Guy Its quite simple. Of course I never claimed that in such scenario Rome would certainly fall, only that it was a possibility. Why? Because no Sahara means that there are more resources and more soldiers needed to guard a border. Romans never had problem with keeping North Africa under their rule exactly because Sahara was such a great barrier. Now, without it, its an open border. Just as northern borders with Germany. Of course, you can say "but technologically the Berbers are weaker". Of course. So were the Germans. But imagine this. Romans have to constantly keep soldiers in the area. In OTL, they needed only one legion to guard whole of North Africa. Now that numbers multiplies. So Romans have to guard their southern border which has no natural bariers. Eventualy barbarians will upgrade their technology and Romanize. Romans will accept not only Germans to their ranks, but Berbers as well. Now imagine a fall of Rome scenario, where not only you have Germanic invasion from the north, but also Berber one from the south... As for Ottomans... Sigh. Butterflies, butterflies!! No Sahara means even ancient history of Egypt is changed. History of Rome as we know it, too. With it, Christianity. Without christianity, or at least it developing the way it did, Islam also doesn't happen. In a world when Jewish faith is simply minority faith of Jews, Arabs won't create their empire. Without their empire, they wont need any Turkic mercenaries from Central Asia. Without Turkic mercenaries fighting in exactly same battles, there is no Sultanate of Rum. Hell, without Islam, Turks had no reason to go to the Middle East, let alone Anatolia. Without Sultanate of Rum splitting up exactly in the way it did, there is no realm where Osman I rules. Without Osman, there is no Ottoman Empire. Got it? Yeah. Changing things affects everything else. Sahara is a veeery big change. There is simply no way, I repeat, no way, for the Roman empire to develop IN EXACTLY SAME WAY it did in our timeline. History is just a string of interconnected events. Imagine this. In our timeline, a general is posted in Carthage. He lives on and becomes emperor. Then you have the same guy, also sitting in Carthage, but in a timeline where there is no Sahara. He fights with Berbers and is killed in action. He never becomes Emperor. He never does the things he did. The empires history is different. Modern Britons speak Celtic language. US is never formed. Got it now?

Reminds me of the Mars mod for EU4.

Civ5/6

Yes pls someone make a EU4 mod for this scenario (would be cool if it was Extended Timeline compatible)

-nah i dont wanna put that much work learning to mod-

Kaiser von Bidizanien Of course...

What makes you think Europe wouldn't have conquered Africa? I think it would have been conquered way earlier, by the Romans or Greeks, or maybe even the Holy Roman Empire.

The differences in technology would be far, far less pronounced and the Greeks and Romans would likely be familiar with Black Africans as traders far before they knew about their lands that they could covet. Also, HRE probably wouldn't exist in a Green Sahara world, which would change too much of ancient history. I think Rome would last much longer in this sort of world.

RebelBeamMaster - Thank you this is what I was looking for. I felt like the video assumed that even though this vast area opened up that it wouldn't be a superpower on its own. It would be just as likely to invade other parts of the world as be invaded.

Unless Africans develop modern technology they're still getting there asses imperialized. Guns>spears.

In a Green Sahara world I'm sure technology would have diffused to Sub-Saharan Africa much more readily. Besides, Europeans couldn't really colonize Africa until they developed medicines such as quinine because of the diseases in the African interior.

Zanzao-1 Ps3 they'd probably lose to Carthage in this time line

Fathel Guweda no

PanQuakes then what are North Africans

Fathel Guweda - Given one of the reasons the Romans were able to defeat Carthage was their alliance with Mauentia, which is an African kingdom, we can be safe in the knowledge Carthage would get defeated even harder. Said Kindom of Mauentia would be even stronger than it was in our time, given the additional greenery and resources that come with it. Carthage won't do any better here than in our world to gain allies here, while Rome would have even more opportunities to establish allies than before. Given how capable Rome was at doing that, This Carthage is toast.

PanQuakes North Africans were the only people who mattered in Africa for centuries, I can sense your jealousy habibi

good idea

i can't say for spain, but for the portugese empire to exist it would have to hold on to macau and goa. and quite frankly good luck trying to convince india and china not to annex them. india already did that to goa. and if portugal insisted on it, sooner or later china would annex it.

both Portugal and Spain would have to be massively more powerful to hold on to the colonies. we'd be powerhouses.

logancoolxtreme I know , but it would be good to imagine it , it would be great for a video.

Interesting.

I personally would think the Americas would be discovered later.

T_bus jews

do I hate mars bars

Angry reacts onl- wait. This isn’t Facebook

But what about DRAGONS?!

Excuse you, speak for yourself.

Wtf are you talking about

Antaractica is smaller then the sahara actually just google it

@@aramkaizer7903 it is a desert

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@@aramkaizer7903 he has a point tho... desert isn't necessarily sand covered land it's basically a wasteland no matter if it's snow or sand

Losing at Hastings meant that England went from being a fairly isolationist kingdom with all it's cultural ties to the Danes and Norse, to being an expansionist continental power interwoven with France and the courts of Europe. Winning may have seen England continue it's association with Scandinavia, perhaps eventually joining the Hanse and the Kalmar Union. There would be no protracted rivalry with France and little involvement in European powerplay. The point of divergence would probably be when Harold arrived back in London after returning from his victory against the Norwegians. Harold's advisors begged him to remain in London, replenish his forces and wait for a more opportune time to strike William down. A full strength English army would have utterly annihilated the Normans. The English could even have spent the 66-67 winter bottling William up on the south coast, whittling them down with a combination of freezing and starving them out. But Harold was being given a stream of messages from people in the towns and villages on the coast being destroyed by William, begging him to come to their aid. In the end he just couldn't stand by and let his people get slaughtered by the Normans whilst he did nothing and set off on his fateful march towards Hastings.

I've pondered this for years .

Rome would still have better technology, and they are the creatorrs of the tactics"split and conquer", so after taking carthage lands, things would be moderatly cool for them. Africa would not be able to attack they by sea, and their lands would be very easy to attack

The only reason Rome was able to keep the Rhine frontier stable for so long was because for a long time of their existence it was the only frontier. Parthia to the east was as far streched and internally divided as Imperial Rome and to the west and south there were oceans of water and sand. As soon as Rome expanded to the Danube the tribes on that Frontier and the Rhine collectively streched the Romans to max capacity and once they united into larger confederations like the Franks and the Goths, the Romans just couldn't keep up. Now add all of North Africa. Perhaps there would be one empire, perhaps there would be several, perhaps there would be lots of tiny tribes like Germany and Dacia, but regardless, it's a completely new, huge strech of land to guard and occupy against. For as long as Rome controlled north Africa they only needed a single legion stationed in Africa, Tunisia, imagine having to increase that as far as the continent stretched. Technology doesn't matter when you're just too big to control.

Junior Would Carthage even exist? The only reason they flourished so much is because they were the only dominant power in North Africa and the Sahara protected hem from invaders to the south. Those Phoenicians wouldn’t stand a chance against the hundreds of invasions and raids coming from the south.

Rome would not be able to go up against Ghana or Mali's military. Especially not from their distance.