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I miss the real photos and maps in background. These AI images look... terrible.

Basically, what if the ATF and DoJ were competent and used strategy and tactics to resolve these events peacefully. There were many instances where the the Feds could have arrested members without a fuss and defuse the situations. A fumble of epic proportions by the Feds.

Then the ATF would have to find another group to kill, to make up for Ruby Ridge not going over so well for them

The ATF tried to do the same with the Texas Separatist movement but the Texas Rangers told them to fuck off and negotiated a surrender they investigated the FBI and ATF after Waco. The militia movement was gaining strength before that as a result of police militarization after riots as well.

Waco would be easy The ATF would take one of the hundreds of chances to go in with the local sheriff and check out the guns and the compound...As they were invited

Impossible. The ATF would need to have been disbanded P.S. I'm also surprised that the US (and Canada) is basically the only country in modern history where 1 bazillion militia groups are aganist the goverment

You should cover oswald mosley's Europe a Nation ideas.

What if Crassus conquered Parthia?

Apparently, the ATF was able to retreat from the initial raid b/c the Davidians agreed to a ceasefire. The ATF was out of ammo, but the Davidians were not.

Stop using ai, there are actually photos. We won't be mad that there are only 5 photos or something

Suggestion z: What if Edward III never claimed the french throne and just focused on Gascóny?

I gotta hand it to you, Dean, you found one hell of a silver lining to Mrs. Weaver getting cut down while the man with the gun could clearly see she was holding her child in her arms.

Just a bit of correction: The Second Wave of the Militia Movement was still very much a thing before Ruby and Waco, as it mostly came about after the fracturing of Posse Comitatus and the Covenant, Sword, and Arm of the Lord(CSA), and several Freemen groups thanks to raids conducted by the government in the 80s. Lot of the issues that lead up to the formation of the 2nd Wave were down to gun control legislation(GCA 68/FOPA 86), the ongoing Sagebrush Rebellion, the Conservative Revolution, and the boatloads of disgruntled American veterans from the war in Vietnam. None of those would have been taken out of the picture with Ruby Ridge or Waco not occurring, if anything it would have likely meant that the 2nd Wave of the US Militia Movement would have moderated into mainstream politics similar to how the 3rd Wave(2006 ~ 2017) and 4th Wave(2017 ~ Present) have. You would likely see a shift away from Christian Nationalism during the years that would have been the 3rd Wave, and seen more activity in the American SW with a renewed vigor in the Sagebrush Rebellions(see: Bundy family) and also see greater emphasis on Watchmen/Border groups. Now one interesting thing is the fact that OKC would have never occurred. That fact alone would have a *massive* ripple effect. Without the backlash caused by domestic extremism, it'd be likely that their would have been even more relaxed regulations and restrictions leading up to 9/11, possibly creating an even worse 9/11 scenario and even further bloodlust on part of the American public towards the Middle East and as a result of the pullout from the Middle East in the 2020s, I have to imagine that would start a far more radicalized militia movement with disgruntled American veterans seeing the Democrat Party/liberal policies of the 90s and early 00s leading to the failure of the US military. Pmuch exactly how Vietnam went down.

Great vid! But are you using AI images?

The militia movement would have eventually caused a similar crisis; the anti-government rhetoric at the time was calling police "jack booted thugs". They were looking for a fight.

The sniper that murdered Randys wife was never convicted of his crimes.

How one learn more about these militias, I think with the current situation it would be interesting too know the groups in play

"The 90s were one of the most turbulent decades in American history" Laughs in 1910s, 1930s, 1940s,1960s,1970s and 2020s.

Love your content z! Keep up the good work 😊😊😊❤❤❤

2:56 bruh that a.i art is wild 😂 Why is Randy twisting his nipples under arrest?

I have a what if request. What if America intervened in the Chinese civil war 🇹🇼

I remember this happening when I was a kid, it was kinda big news since I live next door in Washington. There are many who have sided with them, fuck the fed.

I am curious how this would have impacted 2nd amendment issues if these events didn't happen. Would there be more or less gun control than our timeline? Or would it have just shifted timelines.

Janet Reno would be America's darling.

When I didn’t understand anything at all! I'm not American and don't know such subtle points. But tell me, were the nineties a good time anywhere?

what if actor Tom Laughlin faced off against George Bush in 04

It seems like the Branch Davidians would have ended up like Jonestown or Helterskelter at some point.

In our timeline many things happened after Waco and Ruby Ridge. To me it means that it's very probable that the militant distrust in the US government like we know it today would eventually still happen, even if Waco etcetera did not happen.

MR Z IS A FED!!! Lol

I believe that Weaver was coerced into sawing off that shotgun. Shame on them.

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There would probably be less Schizos in the US obsessing about the Feds.

A huge issue with both of these incidents is the tactical teams on site were spoiling for a fight and they got one. The result of such an attitude is many died.

What Ɓĺàçķ Nationalist view on this ? Im never heard them giving a comment or a view on both of this historical event.

I think the late 1990s and the early 2000 is when crime rate went down now is going back up again in major urban center such as New York and Los Angeles.

If i had a daughter, her name would be Ruby Ridge

Alternative history video with 2 minutes of alternative history...

What if the third punic war never happened? Ps:bonus points if somehow rome annexes carthage after a more sucefull second punic war

The type of tear gas used at Eaco is normally a powder that is suspended in a liquid dispersant. The standard dispersant liquid for this type of tear gas is usually kerosine. And what happens when you spray a mist of kerosine and teargas into a building filled with multiple oil lam[s burning??

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Lon Horiuchi needs to be brought to justice!

Dawg what was the sperm tail on the flag?

What I see here is the FBI, and Federal government interactions with these domestic groups operating on the same lines as do say local law enforcement and black communities. A lot of misinformation, mistrust and at least where the law enforcement /Federal governments are concerned, a tendency to escalate the use of force with a view to deal with a threat which may or may not be actually present. The answer for both law enforcement and the Federal government in these respective situations is to simply watch and observe. Be present where they exist but do nothing until you actually see imminent harm, remembering that your job as law enforcement or the state in dealing with criminal activity is not to prevent it so much as to react to it when it has already taken place unless the imminent activity is actually a life threating one.

I think the distrust of the federal government would still happen later down the line from some other organization being confronted by government agencies.

Settled peacefully 🙀

Re: Randy Weaver, he didn't show up on March 20, which was the court date he was erroneously informed. He said years later that he wished he'd just showed up that date, as it would've prevented the ultimate outcome. The whole thing is just a disaster from top-to-bottom, but I also think it's important not to make make it something that it's not. Weaver was better off left alone, but he also did quite a lot to draw the attention of law enforcement.

Rest in peace Vicki and Samuel Weaver and the innocent women and children of Mount Carmel. Is everyone proud to be american this morning? After this i know i am🙄

Those AI images were so unnerving...

Basically all the 3 letter agencies charged with security and enforcement are monuments to failure and growing government overreach(often without legislation to back it) also: What if Poland allied with Ukraine in the Ukrainian-Soviet War in 1917 instead of attacking them.

Remember Waco and ruby ridge.

Reverend Koresh looks like Napoleon Dynamite once you see it you cannot unsee it

What of militias was stronger

Got another idea for you, what if Constantinople never fell?

The biggest mistake the Branch Davidians made was allowing the ATF to retreat in good order. Their bargaining power would have gone through the roof if they had scores of federal POW’s as hostages.

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It seems to me that some in law enforcement prefer a messy raid to a peaceful arrest. A dead suspect can't defend himself in court. The agency gets to chalk up a win on a weak case instead of letting the person "get away with" whatever they were accused of.

The Feds screwed up in both events.

Most unbelievable timeline because agents can’t resist shooting dogs.

Hello, waco resident here. Thank you for the video. I love your channel and im glad you covered this.

The constitution forever hurrah boys hurrah down with the AF and up with the stars

Not the biggest fan of all the AI images, especially in place of real images (pictures from Ruby Ridge, the burning of the Waco compound, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Bundy standoff, etc). In place of images that don't exist or for background filler images, sure, but these are well-documented events that don't need to be faked by AI.

What you should really talk about is how 9/11 started WW3

Fuck I wish this were our timeline…

The timing of this video is not a coincidence

Alex Jones in this timeline gives up his commentary career and follows in his dads footsteps to become a dentist.

Just think of what this world would be like if the ATF didn’t bait people and left people alone who just want to be left alone…

Youve been shooting in the dark lately, lets see if this is your redemption

Hey Mosieur Z! My name is Zachary Unger. I actually grew up in Waco and this title to a video made me click soooo fast to watch! Weirdly enough, I did not learn about the Waco siege until I actually went off to college funnily enough it was not taught to me in school. The only thing I did learn was the tornado that deciminated the city and was a tragic natural disaster that set back the local economy when the city itself was set to be kinda like the next Austin. Love the videos keep it up (p.s. your one of my fav KZfaqrs ❤)

What If Russia 🇷🇺 never colonized Siberia and didn't expand East into Asia

What if Lebanon joined the US after WW1 like they asked for?

I would have liked you to go deeper about Al Qaeda later, because I would assume the militia movement would get a lot less traction in the time after the Embassy bombings, and at least after 9/11, as right-wingers would not want to associated with anything that smelled "terrorist". Given this more negative discourse I would question if the militia movement would ever have taken off. Especially considering how 9/11 seemingly improved the ground work for peace between ETA and Spain, and IRA and UK. And I would also like to see how all of this would play out further, especially the 2016, 2020, and 2024 elections. Are we talking 8 years of Al Core before 8 years of Hillary, and then what? Trump on a much more moderate platform? And Trump light then winning again in 2020? Imagine Trump hitting term limits, and wanting to stay on, how would that play out?

As someone who came from a civil war torn country idt you really understand what happens

As if the government would not centralize power

David Koresh is a name only known because of his event and other then being told I "look like him" had no significant im pact on he world. he story is largely forgotten and over shadowed by 9/11 , he's very much on the same level as Marshall Applewhite , the Oklahoma City Bombing and Ted Kaczynski and Lorena Bobbitt . Names we all knew in he 90s but which have been erased from our collective memories by 9/11 There highest impact was giving us new phrases like "Drank the Kool-Aid " A much BIGGER social impact would be Columbine or Titanic or Rodney King. Those evens made actual change. So did AIDS and Cartoon All Stars, the Fall of he Berlin Wall and GTA , the Simsons, Night Trap, McCarthy, Saddam Hussein, he Challenger. History has BIGGER moments. THIS was a small impact that did verry little.

What if every continent was separated by water? While Doggerland still existed. And most of Sahara was still lush green? While instead of part of Asia, what if SE Asia was part of Australia as one continent called "Oceania"? And if Pacific Islands were one continent the size of North America called "Polynesia"? Also, what if each hospitable continent only had one group of people: blue-eyed blonde Nordics in Europe, East-Asians in Asia, Africans in Africa, Alaskan-Natives in North America, Mesoamericans in South America, Southeast-Asians in Oceania, and Polynesians in Polynesia.

Good god these AI photos are terrible 🤣

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Could you tone down the use of AI images? Tbh they just don’t look that great, and I miss the real maps and pictures

Heyo

Let's just say Waco and Ruby ridge don't happen. Another event would have taken it's place only just later. With the street crime and Riots ravaging the cities and urban areas at that time. Also let's not forget the Columbine shooting.The Federal government would have still passed the crime bill and it would have pushed for way more gun control just by exploiting any one of those events. Even if Waco or Ruby ridge didn't happen the government agencies would have still viewed these militia groups as a domestic terrorist threat.The government doesn't like militia's or citizens with firearms. It views them as a threat to their power and authority over the country and it's people.

Considering that Ruby Ridge and Waco were during Clinton's FIRST term I doubt their absence would positively impact Gore's campaign. Swing voters who voted for Bush did so because he promised tax cuts where Gore didn't. Trust in government wasn't a factor.

Oi vay

Dont yse AI shit on your vids, bro

Reminder that the ATF agents took photos of themselves posing next to the burnt bodies of the children.

what if ATF gets disbanded after Waco siege?

Keep using the AI images as they look... really cool

Defund the ATF

first pls pin?

FIRST

Why the ai .😭

Used to love your content. Came back after a bit of time away, and all I see are ugly AI collages. Don't think I'll be tuning in again. Your heavy use of AI has just cost you a subscriber. I hope more people do the same.

0:25 but the nineties weren't even close to being the most turbulent period in American history. If anything it was quietest period. Before mass mass shootings. Before the regular natural disasters of climate change. And the United States were unchallenged in super power status. So essentially that is a view catering to excellerationist militias

192 views in 8 minutes, fell off.

Please stop using ai pictures, or at least use more real than AI