As one person had said this Gero and 19 "Too old" 17 and 18 "Too young" First form Cell "Too weird" Second form Cell "Too ugly" Final form Cell "Perfect"

I like the idea that while Gero technically becomes more and more artificial yet acts/feels more human as he gets closer to his revenge/ Self Actualization , and falls victim to his pride

Honestly I'm glad the editor's intervened because when they pushed toriyama to do better he always delivered i love the other androids and cell being one of the top greatest villains some even considering him the best but this video is still a amazing idea and concept of what if this was the android saga

If you take a look at the cast closely during the OG arc, you could see hints that maybe toriyama was building up history repating itself with the z warriors dying again at the hands of the androids meaning trunks didn't change anything.

Now android 16 makes a lot more sense when you consider what the original story was meant to be.

I feel like without 17 and 18 and the editor interference, toriyama definitely would've written himself into a corner here. Cuz theres no way 19 and 20 wouldve carried this whole arch by themselves

I agree with you that Android 20 would likely absorb Android 19. But I think Toriyama would call that form Super Android 20 or Super Gero. I personally believe that considering Toriyama designed Android 13, and Dr. Gero looks like Android 13, and I'm a supporter of the theory that Android 13's design is based off a younger Dr. Gero, or perhaps another son of Dr. Gero. I think Super Android 13 is the original final form design for Dr. Gero in an unchanged Android saga. Android 20 could even absorb enough energy to become younger (basically a form change to the younger Android 13) since that's not the first or last time Toriyama used the trope of the main villain regaining their youth, King Piccolo & Moro for example.

This seems like a great what if idea to pay tribute to Toriyama

Always did wonder what if 19 and gero were the main villains of that arc, I can tell this is gonna be great.

The issue is that gero is the red ribbon, goku's enemy. With cell, we have the "son" of the red ribbon taking on the son of goku

This was a really nice tribute. I only learned about all the changes to the Cell saga recently so it's neat to see a version that sticks more to what may have been originally intended!

Torishima ( Toriyama’s editor) improved Dragon Ball by a large margin. He left after the Cell saga wrapped. And that’s why the Buu Saga is a mess.

This is interesting, but I'm happy that it went the direction it did. I remember being young and the flurry of new baddies - after dealing with the same singular villian (Frieza) for so long - was so refreshing and exciting. Esp seeing Vegeta FINALLY reaching SS and dispatching an android and backing up his pride right away

I love the idea that these androids can learn their moves. Kind of like combining Cell's gimmick with Batman Arkham City's fight with Freeze.

The fact that you used the androids absorbing people like cell ...i wounder is the goat kept that concept from his own original premises

Rip Akira Toriyama

Part of me wondered what that vision would have looked like. Up until now the closest glimpse to that timeline was MasackoX what if the Ginyu force turned good cause that stunt Gero pulled (no spoilers beyond that) but even that was barely a glimpse into that timeline. So thanks for making this what if. I’m sure Akira Toriyama would be proud of you for attempting this

I realy liked this. I allways thought that Gero was such an underrated villian.

I like what we got, but these sort of speculations are always fun. RIP Toriyama.

😮 your speculation makes a lot of sense with what we ended up getting. great job

I like it, although you forgot to include Trunks going back to the future to defeat the androids, that would have wrapped things up nicely. Otherwise great work man, I'm excited to see what you put out next, hopefully the what if piccolo stayed evil what if will get more love because it's one of my favorites.

I actually really liked the changes that resulted from the interference. The shifting, escalating enemies, gave a sense of desperation to the characters and came off more like great twists than as something thrown together last minute.

I like this! A few weeks ago i was contemplating what an android saga might have been like without Cell and drew blanks. This keeps all those elements intact. I think it also does a better job of setting up Gohan in this story. Very cool.

It would be so cool if they made original story versions like this playable in the video games. This would be really fun to play as well as a “What if Piccolo became Majin?” Like originally planned

That was sick, I really wish this was released as like a what if in kakarot. Or even you wrote a fan fic I’d watch it.

Great tribute video for Toriyama

He will be called super gero like how 13 absorb both 14 and 15 he is just called super 13 so gero will be called super gero

I'm not even 1 minute in but THANK YOU for giving us an actual interesting original idea for a what-if.

This was really well done here. I especially loved how Gero evolved and the use of 16 in a Terminator fashion. Wonder if he would look like Android 13 or Super 13? I have been toying around with a similar concept of if Toriyama made an alternate storyline fleshing out the noncannon Movies replacing the cannon Sagas entirely. They use a lot of similar concepts they are just switched around and condensed. Would love to talk to you about it.

Neard heard of this. I heard of rumor of a different Buu Saga supposedly. Where Gohan was going to be the main protagonist from there on out and Goku retired after the whole Android/Cell Saga.But instead they butcher Gohan's character, made him lame as an adult and as usual, all the side characters are pretty irrelevant outside of Goku or Vegeta. We see the same trend in Super.

Yes! I've gotten really into Android 19 and 20 in recent times and I've specifically wanted to know what it would have been like had they remained the central villains of the Android Saga. I also really like your idea of 19 not only absorbing Goku's energy, but also 19 using his data to incorporate Goku's fighting style against Vegeta. And like you, I also had the idea of 19 and 20 going on to fulfill Cell's role of going from town to town, absorbing energy from citizens to continue growing stronger. Good stuff, and Rest In Peace to Akira Toriyama.

Oh my gosh. Your voice is beautiful. I think I found my favorite KZfaq voice. Subscribed. Also great video my friend. RIP Toriyama.

Nice job

COOL CONCEPT!!!!

This is quite good.

Great story what if Pickle I would say that the editorial input definitely improved but also caused other issues with the Android saga it's still my favorite saga of all Dragon Ball even if some of the issues I have with it so I like the changes that they did as they gave us gaining well-written and beloved characters like 17 and 18, Great character growth for all the characters, especially for Vegeta, Goku, piccolo, and Gohan as well as the other z fighters to a lesser extent to having the second best great villain of the series cell especially when he's in his perfect form as well as the setup seemingly to have Gohan replace Goku as the main protagonist. Rip Toriyama hopefully the franchise can continue without you into success but your input/presence will definitely be missed.

RIP Toriyama! thank you for so many good memories!

I think it’d have been a lot cooler if the original vision Toriyama had included the Z fighters and kept them more relevant and part of the story instead of the series becoming hyper focused on the super saiyan forms.

This is awesome

I love what if videos feom different KZfaqrs 😊

Definitely would’ve loved to see his original android story, the android/cell arc is definitely my favorite because of its dark undertone

This is actually pretty interesting and a nice left field idea. It assumes that Toriyama had fully fleshed arc, and he might or might not. Either way, I like what we got, but I'm sure I'd have enjoyed that as well.

I really like your idea of what the android saga could have been. I honestly think it would have been better that way.

Would've been interesting to see what Ascended Gero would've looked like.

Would Be Cool What If!

While its understandable why the editor told toriyama to make all the changes,i still cant get over the fact that android 20 's (Gero) first appearance involved him choking a driver so hard he squished his throat and took his head off (manga), as much as i enjoy all other androids, they just never topped that amount of brutality,19 and 20 were the intended horrific abominations Trunks told Goku about,another fun fact is that he specifically told Goku that it was going to be android 19 and 20 the ones that would appear and kill them all,atleast on the manga,only to contradict himself later on after the editor got involved and toriyama had to change everything for 17 and 18 to be *the* androids Trunks was talking about,in the anime they didnt made that mistake,thankfully.

Maybe Gero would have gotten younger with the more energy he absorbed, similar to Moro.

Good video

Honestly, the only way I can see 19 and 20 becoming threats is if they undergo the bishonen line- with 19 becoming slimmer and 20 getting younger

I can believe this interpretation. Because to me, Cell kinda came out of nowhere. He has no real backstory, other than the fact he was a creation of Dr.Gero, and absolutely no connection to Future Trunks world.

The footage of Android 20 murking the z warriors is hilarious

I actually like the idea of everything cell did essentially Dr.Gero would be doing. I also think it would be like moro where he starts old and grows and ends with a powerful body thats young

the idea of Bulma finding Dr. Geros own plans for his body makes me think, what is Bulma made androids or even made herself one to get in on the fight? Could do this even back in the Red Ribbon Army days with the first Androids.

Dragon Ball the perfect mix of comedy drama and action this why it out ranks any other manga or anime everyone can enjoy it for completely different reasons because Akira Toriyama knew how to write and make characters with depth and he tried his damnedest to make sure that the translators he got were actually making a good story even if they changed it

I honestly belive that the original android arc by toriyama was defintly alot more original and intresting them cell saga . On the one hand it would be a very depressing saga and less action but it would mean alot more then cell saga . If anything to go by i believe the android saga would go just as exactly as the future trunks timeline does. Everyone dies and gohan and trunks are alive. Same exact timeline. It just makes sense. And in the end gohan takes out androids but this time perhaps its future trunks that dies and this makes gohan win in the end. After that maybe they find dragonballs

The only issue I have is that I don't think the Heart virus would be a factor. I thought the heart virus only existed so that Goku would fall, Vegeta would show up and show off super Saiyan. But if the arc is going to go on longer that normal one anyways, it kinda make the virus pointless. Still a cool idea and sorry if this sounds really critical, still interesting! You essentially refitted the cell arc with Gero and 19 as the main villains. Seamlessly done!

God Bless Toriyama, you shall never be forgotten you glorious basterd

It would have been pretty dank. 19 and 20 were pretty creepy and they had the perfect weapon that would negate energy blasts. I really didn't like how the android/cell saga just cycled through villains in rather rapid succession

I can't describe the wild sense euphoric nostalgia I got, just by seeing Raging Blast 2. Goddamn I miss that game every time I think about it.

As a big fan of Dr.Gero i like this more then what we got.

I'm glad that the editors pushed him, because the android saga we got was peak

No one talked about him before his death. Now, he is the most famous man on KZfaq.

it's a good thing his writing style was so impulsive, imagine how much more stressful dealing with his editors if he had everything planned well ahead

Man, I liked the original androids. They were so damn creepy.

In all honesty, after the Freeza saga, the android saga made little sense to me in the great scheme of things. Like, Freeza was the most powerfull being in the universe, but then a scientist on Earth all of a sudden can create beings that are way more powerful than super sayans, just like that. If the threat came from the space, like from rogue scientist that is left over from Freeza Empire it would make way more sense. Other than that, the story has many holes from the future thing and timelines, but it was amazing when i saw for the first time.

Given that Akira Toriyama wanted to let Gohan take the spotlight at around that time it makes sense how it ended.

You should make a original buu saga what if with the og ssj3 design

Wait, so in the original, Gohan's transformation is powered by the death of his father instead of the dismembered head of a robot? I'm gonna be honest boys, that's a lot better than what we got lol.

wow very coool

I always felt like Android 19 was meant for so much more Nothing looks like that without a reason Wish I could have seen what happened in the original, non fan-pressured Dragon Ball Z

I prefer the mystery behind Cell's introduction in the series

I would have been fine with Android 18 being the ultimate android, essentially 16 and 17 serving a role similar to how Android 13 got powered up.

my biggest complaint about the android saga is that android 8 who is still alive didn't get to do anything regardless of the timeline and its a waste of the character

I wish Toriyama had this story remade in the original script, it sounds so interesting and captivating. RIP Akira Toriyama

If possible, they should make this into a sort of "what if" arc. What if Androids 19 and 20 WERE the prophesied androids?

I feel like Android 16(21) should be the final threat. Gero's dying act(or final act before he dies) could be mixing the DNA samples from all the warriors into a new batch of blood which will be infused into Android 21. Then, much like Frankenstein, 21 rises from his chamber as the Z fighters arrive. They bear witness to the perfect being. I'm imagining a mixed design of Android 16 and Super Android 13. He has Saiyan, Namekian, and "Acrosian" abilities, and knows all of the Z fighters moves. It would be the ultimate boss.

They need to do what-ifs like this in BT4.

I much prefer what we ended up getting, but I do like how Yamcha is written in this, makes up for his death by the Saibamen two arcs ago

Damn this is good. I kind of wish you wrote dragonball.

I feel like it would still be fun not as cool as the og but still fun.

I actually wrote a story plot for the Dragon Ball where the Saiyans and Z-fighters that exist in an alternative world which they have their own separate story of their own and crossover while the origins of the androids still follow the same storyline as such their creator made them as Alien origin that got divided hundreds of years ago and eventually came to development a much more thicker plot in the story. And P.S. I actually like Android 19 and 20 where they appear rather simply classic.

That's an interesting rewrite, but considering who 16 was, Gero would have to be extremely affected by his demise.

A lot of people think the series didn't make sense in how a human could become almost as strong as Frieza. What if it was the GT scientist and Gero teaming up as their power scaling would make more sense at this point in time.

Me personally I prefer what we got then Toriyama's original concept, because I liked 17, 18, and Cell. 🙂 Although I do like that 16 became 21 for this idea. 👍

Yes it was for the best that it was altered because we still have the Dragon Ball series to continue enjoying because of it even after his passing.

Them adopting the style of their adversaries is a cool idea. While I like what we got, the robots being totally off the spectrum of our ki based heroes was always something I thought was tossed aside too quickly. I mean watching the history of trunks - did it really seem like simply reaching a higher power level was the secret ingredient to victory? It was more that the androids are incomprehensible within the rules of the game. They dumbed it down a bit too much and made the solution too easy.

Is this Ragging blast 1? Or 2? Either way, it looks really good on a nice screen, like holy crap

I need this, but it's The Buu Saga Without The Story Pivot. I love The Great Saiyaman!

It would be cool if this story would be animated as a "What-If" storyline. Gohan becoming ssj2 after Goku's sacrifice makes more sense than Gohan crying over the 'death' of some robot. Still, I'm glad the editor made Toriyama come up with better villains, otherwise we wouldn't have Cell, one of the coolest villains ever. And let's just ignore Cell Max.

Cool idea except for the super gero thing. Probably just me, but I couldn’t see something like that happening. Unless gero made a whole new body of himself and made it biomechanical or whatever like cell, it doesn’t make sense . Still cool to think about. And this different story means Goku never gives anyone a damn senzu lol

I always thought Trunks' future staying the same no matter what was a bit of a ret-con. It seems like when he first meets Goku, he's trying to change his own future

I think there's good ideas here, but alas, there's not quite the arc, thru line, or tension drawn if it ends at approximately the same time as Cell's perfection.

Only one thing, there would be no hyper blood time chamber as it was a retcon also, it never existed before, it’s also part of the rewrite because why would they go train again if for another year if they already trained for 3 prior to the arc starting, were they doing nothing those 3 years

When I learned that the Dragonball that we know of today is different from what Toriyama's original wanted, it got me thinking. Would Dragonball be good or bad if Toriyama was allowed to make Dragonball the way he wanted it. I heard that Goku was originally supposed to look like his original self, the Monkey King. But his director and wife didn't think it was such a good idea. I mean we could have had a completely different Dragonball.

There is no way I'll see Dr. Gero taking over Cell's role for this saga and removed Android 16, 17, & 18 out of this equation. I have my vision of imagining the two Androids that are terrorizing Trunk's Future Timeline are Goku & Vegeta machine made with duplicate copies of their Saiyans in comparable of Goku Black/Zamasu in DBS Arc.

I have a new what if idea what if goku had magic

I think the original android saga could be the android 13 movie, where he is shown like absorbing all androids and becoming powerful, concept that was half scrapped but given to Cell, being him the one who will absorb all the androids but only 17/18, i mean technically is not that different to what we got, but like change Cell with Gero, for a reason Cell exists, to have a more appealing villain design

Can you do another version of this where you make a story involving android 18 and 17. They were Toriyama’s first edit of the android saga. Then his editors asked for another edit and that’s how we got Cell. How about making a story where it’s just the first edit of the android saga, with no Cell!

I heard that super android 13 was what the original android saga was supposed to be like.

While I like the regular android saga, I would have liked this equally if not slightly more - assuming it got fully fleshed out and Gwro got a younger cooler form at some point kinda like Morro