What If You Never Turn Off Your Computer?

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Techquickie

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2 жыл бұрын

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Will leaving your PC on 24/7 hurt it, or could it actually do it some good?
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@DXAdamJensen
@DXAdamJensen 2 жыл бұрын
I have a i5-2500K and it has been going strong for over 10 years now. The only time that I shut it down is when I clean the computer once a month. It still looks brand new to this day
@NabeelFarooqui
@NabeelFarooqui 2 жыл бұрын
It's an iconic processor
@lilililiililliil7277
@lilililiililliil7277 2 жыл бұрын
LOL thank you for being the mandatory sandy bridge comment. I thought you guys all died out.
@hn1f
@hn1f 2 жыл бұрын
@@lilililiililliil7277 I use a i5-2400 because my local computer shop said am3 is old like he mistaken it for am2
@Omicron007md
@Omicron007md 2 жыл бұрын
Core i5-2600k here. Exactly the same thing. She's a trooper!
@oxfordsparky
@oxfordsparky 2 жыл бұрын
unless you need it to run 24/7 why run up your power bill for no reason?
@ScottGrammer
@ScottGrammer 2 жыл бұрын
Pro electronics repair tech here. The info about electrolytic capacitors was well-explained, but it should be emphasized that heat is the thing that kills caps the quickest, whether cheap ones or good ones. Leaving your computer on but idle generates little heat, but leaving it on while it's maxed out (crypto mining, running distributed computing apps, or video/3D rendering) can expose the caps on all the boards to more heat than usual. This is part of why good case ventilation is key. And yes, solid electrolytics are much preferable to old-style liquid electrolytics, as they're more heat resistant and they perform better even when brand-new. Great video! Edit: The reason liquid caps are used in power supplies is that solid caps of the needed capacities and voltage ratings would not fit in the allotted space, and would be prohibitively expensive.
@mastershooter64
@mastershooter64 2 жыл бұрын
they're just capacitors right? you can easily replace them right?
@KristopherBlakeley
@KristopherBlakeley 2 жыл бұрын
@@mastershooter64 Surface mount capacitors (what all modern electronics use) require tools to replace that the average computer enthusiast does not have. You absolutely can replace them but you have to have a hot air station at a minimum for most surface mount components.
@samiraperi467
@samiraperi467 2 жыл бұрын
@@mastershooter64 You can replace them, sure, but it's still a pain, and a cap spitting its guts out can damage other components.
@samiraperi467
@samiraperi467 2 жыл бұрын
@@KristopherBlakeley PSUs don't have too many surface mount caps tho. The ones that tend to fail are the round cans.
@ScottGrammer
@ScottGrammer 2 жыл бұрын
@@mastershooter64 They can be replaced, yes, but easily? Have you ever tried to desolder a cap from a multilayer pcb? And while solid caps are usually surface mounted, it's still a lot of work.
@King_Dub_Dub
@King_Dub_Dub 2 жыл бұрын
Story time: my friend's dad runs a pizza restaurant and has 4 PC's to run the registers and stuff. There is only one spot in the entire kitchen they can go where there's an accessible outlet and there bluetooth is in range to keep the registers running, anywhere else they can't power them without tripping on a power cable or the registers' proximity alarms go off when they're farther than 7 feet from the machines. These PC's are right next to the oven. The oven exhaust vent. On the floor. They also haven't been turned off in years, the longest running one has an uptime of 4 years and not a single stick of ECC RAM. There is no ending, this crime is still ongoing. Nothing has gone wrong yet. YET.
@FunkyFurret
@FunkyFurret 2 жыл бұрын
Oh shi- *boom*
@kim-hendrikmerk4163
@kim-hendrikmerk4163 2 жыл бұрын
Software security ways that is scary as no matter what os you are running there will be bugs in the kernel. Kernel updates often don't become effective untill the computer has been fully rebooted, this means that a machine which hasn't been rebooted in 4 years may have 4 year old vulnerabilities which makes it very easy to attack that system.
@King_Dub_Dub
@King_Dub_Dub 2 жыл бұрын
@@kim-hendrikmerk4163 Exactly what I thought, and it's even worse that most of them are used as POS terminals lol.
@sasdagreat8052
@sasdagreat8052 2 жыл бұрын
I don't get it, aren't there off days? Why not turn em off for maintenance or sth when everything's shut down
@Akotski-ys9rr
@Akotski-ys9rr 2 жыл бұрын
Open task manager and look at the up time of the cpu
@spence2
@spence2 2 жыл бұрын
this is very hardware-focused, i wouldve liked to hear about reloading drivers, clearing cache and tmp, and other things that could corrupt an os if left on for a rly long time
@JadedArsenic
@JadedArsenic 2 жыл бұрын
Applying updates, logging out and rebooting will take care of those issues. Still, these things are NOT powering it off.
@fiskfisk33
@fiskfisk33 2 жыл бұрын
After like 5-6 years of almost continuous use my old cheap monitor died. I looked inside it and replaced a bulging cap in the power stage. Now its been running for another 4 years and counting. :)
@rubiconnn
@rubiconnn 2 жыл бұрын
I've had a computer I built back in 2011 running 24/7 for 11 years now as a server. It's still fine, although pretty dusty.
@BenitoiteBaTiSi
@BenitoiteBaTiSi 2 жыл бұрын
same as yours, my benq monitor from 2011 still up and running fine, although had a bit deep scratch from collapsed door incident
@writerpatrick
@writerpatrick 2 жыл бұрын
It's a very common problem, probably the most common reason monitors die.
@vgamesx1
@vgamesx1 2 жыл бұрын
@@writerpatrick On modern displays, the second most likely reason seems like the driver mosfet or controller going out, found a Samsung TV and it has a known issue where it's really hard on the leds which kills both the mosfet and the leds unless you turn the brightness down.
@superandreanintendo
@superandreanintendo 2 жыл бұрын
We discard too much stuff for just one small piece that cost one dollar. Bravo man, gj
@filipjovanovic8138
@filipjovanovic8138 2 жыл бұрын
I currently use my gaming laptop as a headless game streaming server, hidden in the closet under the stairs. It’s on 24/7 and works beautifully, but I should probably disconnect the battery before it explodes from abuse and sets the house on fire
@nanaki-seto
@nanaki-seto 2 жыл бұрын
Depending on age that is a non issue. My laptop has not been unplugged or off fore months other than occasional reboots. The battery is currently at 97% charge yesterday it was around 98 day before 99 etc. It will follow this trend till hits 94% at which point it will begin charging till it is at 100% and then the cycle will repeat. This is to prevent over charging my laptop is from 2014. I see people all the time freaking out because their battery is slowly draining while plugged in and the "csr" for hp dell etc go through all these steps to resolve the issue which of course comes right back because this is not a flaw or a error but is by design. Other wise like a cell phone left plugged in all the time eventually your battery will die a painful needless death lol. Now in your case if you have no need for a battery back up on it sure pulling the battery is fine. In my case i need to take off the bottom and while easy it is to much hassle.
@ghosthunter0950
@ghosthunter0950 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure many laptops already have a feature that enables running it straight from the wall bypassing the battery even when it's inside automatically. Also, if you want to preserve the battery I think it's better to keep it somewhat charged when not in use. So having it done automatically when it goes below a certain threshold is probably more convenient. Not to mention being able to keep it running to not lose data or cause issues during due to an outage seems like a nice feature. You might want to read up on it to set it to the optimal charging scheme. Some of the things I mentioned are from distant memory though, so any corrections are welcome.
@nanaki-seto
@nanaki-seto 2 жыл бұрын
@@ghosthunter0950 yep some old laptops forget the full cut off date had um lets say issues with exploding batteries. This was a failure in various protection circuits or lack of. Modern machines mine again is 2014 all have a built in system that cycles the batter between full charge and 94% at 94% it will top the battery off to 100% hold it there for a while then allow it to slowly discharge. This is to preserve the battery.
@TheFinagle
@TheFinagle 2 жыл бұрын
@@ghosthunter0950 ​ @nanaki I had a 2020 model chromebook battery bulge on me because I had been running it from the wall just last year. Thats not a gaming laptop, but if you cheap out it can still be an issue even on newer devices.
@ghosthunter0950
@ghosthunter0950 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFinagle Yeah, cheap chromebooks might not have a way to bypass the battery and get power straight from the wall, so that might be the cause.
@z-3to204
@z-3to204 2 жыл бұрын
For most consumers that don't need remote access or use their PC for work, I cannot see why you would leave it on all the time. SSDs have reduced startup to seconds, so shutting down isn't likely to affect anything. The power draw from the wall and higher energy bill should be reason enough to shut it down.
@ghosthunter0950
@ghosthunter0950 2 жыл бұрын
How about sleep mode?
@NeonGen2000
@NeonGen2000 2 жыл бұрын
@@ghosthunter0950 Depends on which sleep mode. There is one where RAM remains powered. And there is one where RAM is dumped to the HDD and then shuts off completely. The second is effectively the same as shutting down in terms of power consumption.
@shibu5175
@shibu5175 2 жыл бұрын
@@NeonGen2000 dumping memory to the disk and shutting off is usually called hibernation. Strangely enough, most of the newer systems I've touched have those disabled by windows by default.
@kcgunesq
@kcgunesq 2 жыл бұрын
When I was in high school in the 80's, our comp science teacher was adamant that we not use the power switch. Sort of makes sense if you think that each PC would have been turned off and on dozens of times a day, that really was the part most likely to break. So, partially, because a generation was trained to never use the power button. But also because for many years afterwards, really until the prevalence of SSD's for boot drives, booting up could take several minutes. I've recently started using "sleep" and find it no slower to get back into windows than just leaving it fully powered. Nearly instant in either case.
@planefan082
@planefan082 2 жыл бұрын
@@shibu5175 Odd. I set my new laptop to do that and it's great. Super fast, even better than sleep (no apps change, everything is EXACTLY the way I left it) and basically no battery draw.
@bloxyman22
@bloxyman22 2 жыл бұрын
I have always had my computers that i actively use on 24/7 since late 90s and none of them failed. The only ones that well died was those in storage switched off for years. Hard drives as well I have found last longer when they run 24/7 compared to being power cycled all the time. I also do the same with my hi-fi equipment and have had same experience. I am now currently using a kenwood ka-6100 amplifier from the 1960s and it has not been switched off for years with exception of power outages or when moving it and it still works perfectly even though it has all original caps.
@mrdngamer7592
@mrdngamer7592 3 ай бұрын
My previous pc too never failed (except once, when its HDD burned itself). But every once in a few months, when I turned it off, it never switched back on until repairs.
@muizzy
@muizzy 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Hard drives typically have a longer lifespan when in continuous operation (assuming you disable the park setting). Spinning up and down is pretty tough on ye ol' spinning rust.
@egg-roll8968
@egg-roll8968 2 жыл бұрын
Never buy anything with aggressive parking, like WD Blues or alike, those "energy savings" will be lost in new drives in 2-3 years by 2-5x times the value saved lol...
@wolfdale_3m
@wolfdale_3m 2 жыл бұрын
@@egg-roll8968 WD Greens, you mean. Blues have a pretty long idle wait time before parking the heads onto the ramp. Edit: At least, the latest ones. My WD10EZEX from 2021 takes a while before parking.
@egg-roll8968
@egg-roll8968 2 жыл бұрын
@@wolfdale_3m I see you have a 1TB, Blues past 1TB are Greens in disguise I thought only 500GB was safe from the issue apparently not and 1TBs are too, they merged them into one name when they killed off the Green line and it was a "selling point" for years for the Blue line like the Green. Bought a 6TB Blue (via shucking, it had a store stock blue label on it, SN showed it as blue as well) died fast with over 180K parks (827 days on). Look at your park counts in SMART vs other drives. All but 1 of my 5 year+ P/O drives have fewer than 10000 parks, the 2 that are close to 5 years on time had power cable issues go unnoticed by me for a while so their park counts are higher than they should. I own 3 greens as well only one is still living lol... At least last time I powered it up it was. It's still in their listing: "advanced power management features ensure low power consumption", also in Canada they want me to pay $1 more than normal price for your drive "on sale" lol... Also the internet is full of complaints about the WD Blues with parking issues.
@wolfdale_3m
@wolfdale_3m 2 жыл бұрын
@@egg-roll8968 I felt the same Green vibe while I was looking at the data sheet before purchasing. I noticed that there were no Blue models larger than 1TB that spun faster than 7200 RPM. Suspicious indeed.
@NeonGen2000
@NeonGen2000 2 жыл бұрын
This. At the end of my USB HDD's lifespan I was afraid to turn it off. Every time I would turn it on the spindle would stutter. It's become so bad now that sometimes it can take up to an hour for it to finally spin up. Once it's up, it's completely fine.
@RistrayGR
@RistrayGR 2 жыл бұрын
The reason I turn my computer off at night, or if I'm going away for more than a couple of hours, was not so much about worrying about the components but about the electricity consumption, both electric bill wise and environmentally. Otherwise I just put it to sleep.
@TDamsma
@TDamsma 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, thank you!
@NeonGen2000
@NeonGen2000 2 жыл бұрын
Modern computers are generally very good at energy savings. Mine consumes about 30 watts when idle and with the screens off, my fans consume the most when idle. If I get more efficient ones, I can probably knock a few more watts off. Some components and slots can even be individually powered down if deemed unnecessary, windows can cut power to the PCI-ex slots when the screens are off for example. HDDs not being used can spin down. The CPU can be throttled down. I like to run web services on it I can access through the internet when I'm away. File/media/remote desktop server etc. It's kind of the mainframe of my household and some of the web services are also accessed by friends. I sometimes host games on it.
@shibu5175
@shibu5175 2 жыл бұрын
My computer only consumes about 2 watts when in sleep. When idle... That's a different story. 100-110 watts.
@julhizantwo2277
@julhizantwo2277 2 жыл бұрын
Third world country here. Electric bill is pain for me with small income (2/10 for bill itself). So i only do three cycle like morning, off, noon, off, night, turn off.
@Allious131
@Allious131 2 жыл бұрын
Bro my electric bill is 80 dollars and I have a 1200 watt psu with a 2080ti with bad electricity it's not consuming that much power bro.
@tipsysmichigander6483
@tipsysmichigander6483 2 жыл бұрын
I think it really depends on the build and how well you cool your rig. Have my I7-7700 1080ti 11g on pretty much 24/7 running heavy VR loads/video/graphical rendering/recording pretty much all my games. Still benchmarks just under what it did 5 years ago.
@darthpotwet2668
@darthpotwet2668 3 ай бұрын
Remember to undervolt it
@Microang
@Microang 2 жыл бұрын
Been running my Mac Pro from 2009 24/7 for a long time now, sits there mining all the time now when I'm not using it and the only issue is the amount of dust it gets inside from it. And it's been heavily upgraded to still be useful in 2022, even if it's still a beastly 12 core machine...
@thexgamer8240
@thexgamer8240 2 жыл бұрын
Me: *Never turn off my computer* My computer: *You won’t let me live. You won’t let me die.*
@ScottGrammer
@ScottGrammer 2 жыл бұрын
Ha!
@sergiolaca1234567898
@sergiolaca1234567898 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to add that having it 24/7 can have some long term software performance problems due to temporary files, cache data... This can be easily correct restarting it each several time, but it has not the top performance during all the time until you restart it.
@cnr_0778
@cnr_0778 2 жыл бұрын
Windows moment.
@Diviance
@Diviance 2 жыл бұрын
This is a whole lot less common in up to date OS's. You can go weeks or months without any noticeable performance drop with modern hardware and an up to date OS.
@tannerbrake
@tannerbrake 2 жыл бұрын
Except that on Windows, a restart clears these and a shutdown does not (unless you have gone out of your way to disable all fast-boot related settings)
@coreykirkpatrick4392
@coreykirkpatrick4392 2 жыл бұрын
This does not require a reboot. Those items such a temporary files and caches can be cleared and taken care of without a reboot, especially post windows 7 era.
@Sadiinso
@Sadiinso 2 жыл бұрын
tmp files do not decrease the performance of your pc
@MrJest2
@MrJest2 2 жыл бұрын
I've generally kept my systems running 24/7 since I got my first 8088 machine. In the pre-2000 days, it was generally considered good practice and would prolong machine life, as power-cycling older components could introduce more wear-and-tear than just leaving it on all the time. After the early part of this century, however, this had pretty much ceased to be a concern and powering down and then on again as often as you wished wasn't a huge problem. But I left mine on all the time more or less out of habit. These days, now that I work from home exclusively, I'll often have jobs that run overnight anyway, so again my systems stay on all the time. I just have to remember to replace my HDDs from time to time. 😋
@JSTheAnonymousOne
@JSTheAnonymousOne 2 жыл бұрын
15 years, holy cow. Also, SMART isn't always going to alert you to an issue, drives can easily die without warning. However, it's a great tool and I definitely recommend keeping an eye on the stats.
@ArtisChronicles
@ArtisChronicles 2 жыл бұрын
once happened to me. So I know this to be true.
@aleksazunjic9672
@aleksazunjic9672 2 жыл бұрын
This video is complete BS. Each electrical/electronical/mechanical component has work lifetime measured in hours. If you left it on it shortens. And that is simply it - probability of failure increases. If you do not operate server or mining platform, there is no good reason to leave computer on all the time.
@jan.tichavsky
@jan.tichavsky 2 жыл бұрын
@@aleksazunjic9672 Not really, heat cycled are worse than down time idle running. The lifetime is meant for servers running at higher power and temperature so you have some idea how long it should last. If it's running cool at constant speed like HDD it works just fine for years. Some agressive early power down caused the drive to fail because of too many load and unload cycles.
@aleksazunjic9672
@aleksazunjic9672 2 жыл бұрын
@@jan.tichavsky Nope, and wrong. Every component has estimated lifetime, MTBF and the fact of life is that leaving equipment running simply shortens its life. Heat cycles (in fact work time at elevated temperature) are important for some classes of equipment, but in general they are not that important. For example, HDD with its mechanical parts suffers wear and tear even if you run it near perfect temperature. It is much better for HDD not to spin at all then to work constantly.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 2 жыл бұрын
SSDs are the worst for not giving a warning before they take a dump. In theory they should be more reliable... time will tell.
@dj_paultuk7052
@dj_paultuk7052 2 жыл бұрын
I work in a DC for Americas largest bank and we still have some "Compaq Proliant ML370 G1's" in use. Circa 2002. Still with the original 9.1GB hard drives. So 20yrs old and still going strong.
@stevesether
@stevesether 2 жыл бұрын
A bank relying on 20 year old hard drives in a data center? Good thing I don't have any money in JP Morgan Chase, Americas largest bank :).
@miquelfire
@miquelfire 2 жыл бұрын
I have a monitor that I bought when Circuit City was closing, and it's still running strong! It's my second monitor now since I finally bought a second display last year.
@Fools_Requiem
@Fools_Requiem 2 жыл бұрын
Circuit City. Now there's a name I haven't heard in a very long time.
@LilacMonarch
@LilacMonarch 2 жыл бұрын
In my experience, you don't really need to worry about turning off your monitors as your pc will automatically stop sending signal to them after a certain time of being idle, which will quickly trigger the monitor's low power mode with the display off. But if you have a program preventing it or disabled that setting, then yeah turn them off if you're not going to be using it for a long time
@MrRom92DAW
@MrRom92DAW 2 жыл бұрын
I am always paranoid my cooling loop - knowing that I put it together - is gonna spring a leak. I like leaving it on sometimes so I can remote in but it’s always in the back of my head!
@AdamTaylor-RDL
@AdamTaylor-RDL 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Maxtor with over 9 years of uptime recorded in SMART, its a minor miracle it still works. I have it simply to see how long it lasts now, i don't use it for storing anything i car about. One thing I am curious about, I believe that for a HDD, the start up routine is the most stressful for it, when its suddenly dumped with electric and told to start doing things, so I wonder if in this regard, it is kinder on them to keep them constantly running, rather than lots of start ups on them?
@Dalewyn
@Dalewyn 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Maxtor-branded Seagate PATA HDD, a historic oddity from the time when Seagate had just bought out Maxtor. It's physically around 14 years old and has about 12 years of powered uptime with around 120 power cycles, it's still going strong. Power cycles are by far the most stressful thing for a HDD. It has to deal with the sudden jolt in wattage when it turns on and the spindle motor has to spin up to speed, both of these things will wear out the mechanical components much more quickly than just having it powered on. HDDs face almost no wear once they're up and running, in fact, so long as they're not the kind to aggressively save power and power themselves down all the time. Laptop HDDs are the most notorious examples of HDDs dying from power cycle wear. Even discounting the added shocks and vibrations that a mobile environment would place on them, the constant turning on-and-off of laptops means those HDDs have probably had to undergo far more power cycles than their desktop cousins. If you want your HDDs to live a long life (and you don't mind the power bill), keep them powered on.
@SurgStriker
@SurgStriker 2 жыл бұрын
I've had 4 PCs in a row that went 7 years each before i replaced them. mostly due to software issues (windows fighting with drivers, causing various issues. Basically components becoming outdated is a major issue. Except in one case where the heat sink on the CPU got clogged with dust bunnies-back in the early pentium era where they had large attached heat sinks and a small fan-and the CPU fan melted off). I've only had to replace things like a graphics card once, and RAM 1-2 times. And i run my systems nearly 24/7, because i spend so much time on them and don't often sleep long so i want to be able to just get on and get back to doing stuff instead of waiting for it to boot up. Plus want to be able to hear notification sounds if anyone tries to contact me when i'm afk
@devangmaheshwari3902
@devangmaheshwari3902 2 жыл бұрын
what do you do ?
@quesokid4959
@quesokid4959 2 жыл бұрын
What is profession my guy?
@Nabee_H
@Nabee_H 2 жыл бұрын
Similar to me, 14+ hours (raised due to COVID) and no issues, recently been trying to turn it off when I sleep but I have gotten so used to the white noise I now have trouble sleeping with it off :( However I can probably get used to it
@sagichnichtsowiesonicht7326
@sagichnichtsowiesonicht7326 2 жыл бұрын
that doesn't sound healthy, take care of yourself more, you owe it to yourself.
@acmenipponair
@acmenipponair 2 жыл бұрын
I also never turn the computer off. I just pause or close most of the programs and send the computer to idle. A modern PC only draws as much energy in idle as an old style light bulb.
@rickysmyth
@rickysmyth 2 жыл бұрын
What about the expanding and contracting of parts with the heat when you turn off and on your computer? If its on all the time that does not happen since the computer is always warm
@bite-sizedshorts9635
@bite-sizedshorts9635 2 жыл бұрын
I run my desktop 24/7. It's way over 10 years old. I replaced the original hard drive in it a couple of years ago with an SSD. I built the computer myself and bought top of the line parts at the time. It still does everything I want it to. It can do a lot of things at once, such as download large files, play music, and write documents. I keep it on 24/7 because I do have things going on occasionally that need all night to accomplish. For example, copying a major amount of files from an older drive to a newer replacement takes over a day, because it involves terabytes of data. Also, I sometimes download files from Usenet and many times have days of downloads queued up. Additionally, I like to just go to the computer any time, day or night, and work without having to wait for the computer to boot up. I don't know if it still applies, but I had heard years ago that powering up a computer put heat stress on some parts, shortening their life. So I just let it run. It still looks brand new, as I clean it often.
@KrytopsyX
@KrytopsyX 2 жыл бұрын
What typically break components and electronics usually isn't really dust or running the PC hot all the time but rather the difference or change of temperature the electronics go througth. Microsolders are made of metal and metal doesn't like having large difference of temperature getting quickly applied to it, it ends up breaking and in electronics, it means connections are not doing their job anymore and the electronic in question ends up not working. Dust simply exacerbate this process where the heat transfert cannot be done as efficient as before and prevent the ventillation to be as good or as designed. 😊 Where an PC idling is most likely to be within a similar temperature to if it was off.
@johnnygotti1568
@johnnygotti1568 2 жыл бұрын
cars last 200,000 miles while trucks last 1 million for a reason
@SerratedPVP
@SerratedPVP 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnygotti1568 Yeah trucks are utility and business owners like to keep them running with proper maintenance that most individual car owners don't bother with.
@japaneserequired6314
@japaneserequired6314 2 жыл бұрын
You would need millions of normal thermal cycles for any damage to occur. People get this idea from PS and Xbox consoles that die from turning them off. That is because of dust they overheated and ran in an overheated state for a long time damaging the silicon bumps. A restart allows it to cool and it breaks. The 1 thermal cycle makes its death obvious but it was not the killer.
@johnnygotti1568
@johnnygotti1568 2 жыл бұрын
@@SerratedPVP lol that’s being optimistic about the truck owners, but i’ll give you that assuming reasonable maintenance, it comes down to heat cycles
@SerratedPVP
@SerratedPVP 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnygotti1568 I just typed up a paragraph about how right you are and deleted it accidentally. Can't be bothered to type all that up again, but you are so right about heat cycles.
@matyi10012
@matyi10012 2 жыл бұрын
What about the operating system? The longer windows is turned on, the more strange bugs start to happen. A daily restart is really helpful for the OS.
@dputra
@dputra 2 жыл бұрын
Just disable the auto update. Only run it when you are going to do regular maintenance, which your pc will be turned off anyway. I run several windows VM and hypervisor, they are doing great for months before i updated their software or clean their case.
@VDani16
@VDani16 2 жыл бұрын
If you use basically any type of Linux instead of Windows, you won't have to worry about os stability.
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 жыл бұрын
I run Linux.
@modables
@modables Жыл бұрын
@@VDani16 I use arch and cannot confirm.
@psychiatry-is-eugenics
@psychiatry-is-eugenics Жыл бұрын
Chrome ?
@kushmobstaz9610
@kushmobstaz9610 2 жыл бұрын
I run a little radio station and I use an old Core 2 Duo PC to play all of our audio and music 24/7. I only replaced the PSU since it had few bloated capacitor and I clean it for once in a while. But with all of that it runs perfectly. It's common for radio stations that have PC's that run 24/7 because their automation system is vital to run and broadcast content.
@captainkeyboard1007
@captainkeyboard1007 2 жыл бұрын
This show was excellent. I have a Dell Inspiron, an all-in-one microcomputer. I shut it down when not in use for long periods of time with Microsoft Windows 10 Professional. I never press the power switch without selecting the shut down selection in the software. It is nice to learn something else about hardware just as I am learning more about software.
@Mystic4rrow
@Mystic4rrow 2 жыл бұрын
My oldest hard drive has been running for like 10 years. Still working. Only has reallocated sectors as an issue. It's a 5400 RPM Seagate Momentum plus I suppose. Also all my laptops are still running on 5400 RPM Hard Drives. SSDs keep getting expensive in my country because importing them are banned
@NoNameM9
@NoNameM9 2 жыл бұрын
bruh what country would ban SSDs?
@Mystic4rrow
@Mystic4rrow 2 жыл бұрын
@@NoNameM9 Sri Lanka, coz we ain't got enough Dollars for literally everything. Honestly Windows laptop prices are skyrocketing here whereas Apple's M1 MacBook Air is literally at the same price as it was in 2020 at my local computer store.
@GXD3S
@GXD3S 2 жыл бұрын
the key to extending your components' lifespan is maintaining a constant temperature. the more the temperature fluctuates, the more problems you're gonna have. something something thermal expansion
@pacoreguenga
@pacoreguenga 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve always had at least one of my computers on for the last 30 years or more and always have had separate servers for different tasks. One for torrenting, one for streaming and one for file serving has been my setup for a decade, until now that I’m trying using only one for those tasks. I’m still not convinced about it but at least I’m saving power and generating less heat as this spring we’re having never higher temperatures than ever before. In fact my servers are my decommissioned workstations, so they are usually heavily used before turning them into servers. With proper maintenance, you can extend their life well beyond the ten year mark.
@bookkeepingsmes2089
@bookkeepingsmes2089 2 жыл бұрын
@paco Have you found a speed/performance difference since adding your torrenting to other function computer? I used to torrent only to a laptop and the speed was reduced by gazillions. Now the Laptop is gone and I don't know where to get torrents from.
@Xanderall
@Xanderall 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video by James! And this topic is specially of interest for me as I have not shut down my computer since 2012!
@kerimovkhikmet
@kerimovkhikmet 2 жыл бұрын
It was a great video, thanks, James! I was wondering, could you make a video about laptops. Should I put it in sleep mode at night, or should I turn it off completely?
@buzzbuzzluke
@buzzbuzzluke 2 жыл бұрын
If it has an HDD, I'd recommend turning it completely off if you're moving it around. Aside from that, same story as the PC, unless you're concerned with conserving the battery
@Extra_Mental
@Extra_Mental 2 жыл бұрын
You dont have to keep it running for remote access, you can use wake on lan if it supports it
@ramielkady938
@ramielkady938 2 ай бұрын
You need a PhD in port forwarding ... You also need a miracle so that instructions for turning on port forwarding for your "specific router" are actually on planet earth -instead of Andromeda Galaxy.
@davidgrisez
@davidgrisez 2 жыл бұрын
Over 10 years ago I worked for the Los Angeles DWP at Scattergood Generating Station, which was a natural gas power plant. At this stations we had old units that had some computers added to them and a general purpose email computer. These computers were only turned off if they failed and needed repair, otherwise they were on all the time. With two of these computers the first thing to fail was the spinning platter Hard Disk Drives. Also our Instrument Shop had to occasionally clean out all the dirt and dust that accumulated in these computers, this was another time that they were turned off.
@writerpatrick
@writerpatrick 2 жыл бұрын
Fans are made to be replaced, and they're fairly easy to replace. I've replaced a few fans on various computers over the years. I've also replaced the HD on a couple machines, although I was able to keep an old HD running years after it failed the SMART test. Although I mainly leave my computer running overnight because it takes a while to start up.
@eagle25311
@eagle25311 2 жыл бұрын
Anything that is made to be replaced isn't made with the customer in mind
@1GTX1
@1GTX1 2 жыл бұрын
I have my case fans running for over 5 years, they are cooler master fans, that costed 15$ each... Before that i would change my fans every 2 years after they fail, and also had to listen to horrible noise
@youdontknowme5969
@youdontknowme5969 2 жыл бұрын
This is kind of a funny coincidence---I just had a case fan start making weird-ass squeaky/grindy noises this morning... luckily it's nothing mission-critical
@maliciousfry
@maliciousfry 2 жыл бұрын
In my 20 years of computer experience, you're much more likely to have a problem when turning a computer on than if you just leave it on all the time. Most serious problems show themselves at startup.
@Finkelfunk
@Finkelfunk 2 жыл бұрын
Which is a good thing. Next to the fact that a simple reboot fixes 96% of all computer issues (seriously, this is the first thing EVERY technician will do) there's also an added benefit to troubleshooting. For example, most running PCs don't tell you if your SMART values are bad, but if you boot your BIOS will notify you that your drive is currently dying.
@TheCoolDave
@TheCoolDave 2 жыл бұрын
@@Finkelfunk Windows, at least Windows 10 above will spit up errors on logon if your HD has smart issues... I have seen this before... Maybe this is driver dependent, never looked into but, I have seen the Windows error showing "Your drive could be failing, it might be time to replace it" in our office machines.
@Finkelfunk
@Finkelfunk 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoolDave When my old harddrive died it never gave me an error unless I was restarting so I really don't know. I'm not sure if I was using Windows 10 though.
@garcjr
@garcjr 2 жыл бұрын
Especially if you're dealing with (at my work anyway) motor control cabinets, server racks, all the networking components, PLCs, or other industrial automation systems. It's always a good idea to never turn them off. Because when there's a power outage weird things happen for a few days. All of our server networking devices, or servers are on a UPS.
@deViant14
@deViant14 2 жыл бұрын
That may be true but realistically you need to shut down sometime. What matters is how much damage was done in the meantime. Not the inevitable.
@Matticitt
@Matticitt 2 жыл бұрын
So I've had my PC for 11 years now, and it's been running basically 24/7 for all this time, monitors included, apart from a week here or there when I was on vacation. Most everything still works. One thing failed - AIO, and it required replacing. Also I'd be nice to replace the fans too - they're still working just fine but have become slightly louder probably because the bearings are failing.
@balesjo
@balesjo 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I didn't her you mention is Sleep mode. It's enabled on my desktop and powers down the system when it hasn't been used in a certain amount of time, and will quickly resume if the keyboard or mouse is touched. It also allows t he middle of the night automatic updates. The display also goes into sleep mode and will reawaken when it receives a signal from the computer. My understanding is that minimal power is required during this time. I would think this extends the life of the computer as well without having to completely shut it off.
@Haplo-san
@Haplo-san 2 жыл бұрын
I heard lots of stories from people experienced and it also happened to me as well: When the time comes, 9 out of 10 times, you shut down a working computer and it never boots again. That's usually how a computer dies due to age if not user's fault like liquid damage or dropping etc. If a PC living down the stretch and you don't know when it's gonna die (usually happens about 10+ years old PCs or 6+ years laptops) it's usually better to not shut down because you can't be sure if it's ever gonna boot again.
@3XC4L1B3R
@3XC4L1B3R 2 жыл бұрын
I work in tech repair, and we had a customer come in this week with problems of apps not starting, apps freezing, and apps stalling. A reboot fixed all of these issues. It turns out they had never powered off their laptop in the 3+ years they'd had it. I don't know what, internally, causes something like this to happen. My gut says either the RAM or SSD index got corrupted from wear-and-tear, and rebooting rebuilt it enough for things to work again. I don't know, though.
@kaumranesna-ashari8902
@kaumranesna-ashari8902 2 жыл бұрын
I seriously do not understand why some people do not reboot their PC or phone when it acts up. Every time I ask friends or family members to reboot they think it is some offensive thing I am saying to them.
@japaneserequired6314
@japaneserequired6314 2 жыл бұрын
probably 3 years of driver, software and OS updates all being half installed at the same time.
@vadnegru
@vadnegru 2 жыл бұрын
After a month or something Windows just starting to act weird. Take updates on top of this and you have a recipe for a disaster. I kinda supporting mandatory updates and reboots in home versions because that way they can keep devices secure and make sure that customers reboots their PCs (and use Edge, lol)
@TheChemizzle
@TheChemizzle 2 жыл бұрын
@@vadnegru Forcing someones computer to reboot at any given time is always a bad idea since a lot of people have systems that are setup and rarely ever touched or checked again unless something goes wrong with it, it would be a massive anti-consumer move. Also, I can not count how many times I have had to deal with a broken system because Windows rebooted in the middle of the night and failed to update properly which resulted in a boot loop which eventually breaks something after going through the strain of the reboot process over and over again for hours on end. It's happened to me twice and at least a couple hundred computers I've fixed over the years. Not to mention the huge inconvenience it introduces to anyone that is not in their ideal fit of a common user.
@vadnegru
@vadnegru 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheChemizzle that kind of stuff was in early days. It have set its time to reboot outside of active working time and as far as i remember it already on in home versions and public backlash are not that big. Compare it to many of exploits and virus attacks due to unpached OS and we have some choice to make for developers.
@jeffosoft
@jeffosoft 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget about the liquid cooler pumps, curious on your take of life of those.
@technologicalelite8076
@technologicalelite8076 2 жыл бұрын
Usually i leave my computer in sleep mode, I have a slow compuyer and it takes FOREVER to boot. I do restart about every week for updates or to just clear temp files on that.
@justicegaminginc
@justicegaminginc 2 жыл бұрын
if you know where correct folders are located you can also clear temp files manually without rebooting
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 жыл бұрын
My PC has been taking longer to boot lately. $ systemd-analyze Startup finished in 1.623s (kernel) + 2.142s (userspace) = 3.766s It used to be less than 2.5 seconds. I don't know what's wrong. But I don't reboot often so it isn't a big issue.
@duck74UK
@duck74UK 2 жыл бұрын
Oldest part in my current PC is 7 years, the harddrive. Still spins, still functions, but you can feel it's age creeping in, feels more like the motor that spins it will go before the plates though.
@XDSDDLord
@XDSDDLord 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the mechanical components on HDDs often fail first once you pass a certain age. You should not turn off computers with spinning rust except for updates. The most significant wear and tear you can do is head parking and spin-ups. HDDs will seldom stop spinning by themselves, but they may not spin up again once you force them to spin down. Head parking is a consumer power-saving feature, not a lifespan feature, this is why enterprise drives don't have head parking or do so very seldomly, the cost of losing a drive exceeds that of the wasted energy.
@duck74UK
@duck74UK 2 жыл бұрын
@@XDSDDLord "the cost of losing a drive exceeds that of the wasted energy." I disagree, running the PC for 20,000+ extra hours would exceed the cost of a HDD. (365 x 8 x 7) . If you don't agree with my estimate of 8 extra hours of uptime per day on average feel free to change it, but I promise you it'll go over the cost of this 2tb hdd.
@XDSDDLord
@XDSDDLord 2 жыл бұрын
@@duck74UK Your calculations seem to fail to account for the lost revenue cost of server downtime, wear and tear of rebuilding an array, the cost of a technician to come out and replace the drive, the potential cost of data loss or corruption, among a lot of other things.
@duck74UK
@duck74UK 2 жыл бұрын
@@XDSDDLord But it's not a server, its my personal computer?
@XDSDDLord
@XDSDDLord 2 жыл бұрын
​@@duck74UK That is beside the point. The point is that because for an enterprise losing a drive costs so much more than running it, the technology there is geared towards 24/7/365 operations because that will minimize failures and maximize the life span and data integrity. This proves unequivocally that running a computer with HDDs 24/7 is better for components' health than shutting it down. The subject matter of this video is about component longevity, not the cost of operation. In that light, I commented to issue a correction to the insinuation made in the video that the continuous operation of your mechanical components is bad. Also, the amount of energy it takes to maintain the momentum of the plater when not actively running IO operations is relatively small, and considering you think losing a hard drive is no big deal, I am going to assume that you've never had a harddisk simply fail on you, and take all your data along with it. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, by all means.
@tristankordek
@tristankordek 2 жыл бұрын
0:43 Even less than 3 months. Back then I was an IT service technician, we often found motherboards and PC power supplies with dry capacitors. The worst of all were companies like Dell and HP which blamed the damage on the user ("misuse") and did not honor the warranty, customers had to pay for the repair, often multiple times!
@brazenh2836
@brazenh2836 2 жыл бұрын
The only time i shut down/restart is when performance starts dropping (from i assume caching) otherwise to save power i still use the hibernate function (i have an ssd so startup times are negligible either way). Another cool feature of hibernate is you can unplug your pc, move it around and when you start it up again youre back where you left off, as it actually powers off while the sleep function still uses power. not sure the max time this works for, ive had it intercity for about 6 hours but can be a lot slower on hdd pc's from the caching...
@MiriaJiyuu
@MiriaJiyuu 2 жыл бұрын
It's effectively indefinite, as long as the drive is in the same PC. Hibernate writes the RAM to disk before powering down as you mentioned, since your HDD or SSD will not lose that data even with a power loss, it would stay unless the drive is somehow wiped or broken.
@cn8299
@cn8299 2 жыл бұрын
Over my years, all the PCS that I leave on 24/7 has lasted for well over a decade and still going. The ones that turn off are usually replaced within 3-4 years if not sooner due to hardware issues.
@Majima_Nowhere
@Majima_Nowhere 2 жыл бұрын
I usually just put my pc to sleep when I'm away, and do a full power cycle every week or so. I feel like that's pretty optimal for the lifespan without having to spend any time on it.
@ogshotglass9291
@ogshotglass9291 Жыл бұрын
My parents had a 2005-or-6 eMachines computer that we pretty much left in hibernate mode whenever we weren't using it, just so we wouldn't have to deal with long warm-up times. Actually, the weird part was it took longer for the computer to warm up when we shut down the computer and flipped the switch on the surge protector than it did if we just turned the computer off.
@dappermuis5002
@dappermuis5002 2 жыл бұрын
I keep mine on over night and if I'm at home during the day too, when there has been a lot of rain. Keeps the moister/humidity in the air out of the computer. This is especially important if you have issues with dust. I've had a power supply blow up because of extreme humidity from rain and dust in the power supply. Luckily it didn't take anything out, when it blew. Also we see lots of parts in machinery go kaboom in factories because of the exact same reason. Especially if the machine has been standing a few days. Around here some of the factories don't clean thier machines in side at all till something goes wrong, or don't clean it regularly enough. I've had times where I've had to dig out fans with a skrewdriver. Add that with humidity from hot day after the rains or a hot rainy day and the fun begins.
@smartiefox256
@smartiefox256 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe I would suggest to look at this software wise. Imagine the clogged RAM when you leave your PC on too long. It got better the last 10 years ... but restarting will give you a small performance boost after long power on time :)
@michmart9261
@michmart9261 2 жыл бұрын
I think the system is cleaning the unused ram all the time, so unless you have a process which is leaking memory and never terminates this should be fine
@maliciousfry
@maliciousfry 2 жыл бұрын
Trash collection for RAM has gotten a lot better over the years but with the way it's handled now the impact is quite minimal.
@SkimmyMcG
@SkimmyMcG 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with this. After 35 days or so of on time my PC starts skipping randomly and lagging, especially with audio playing if I'm browsing through Chrome. A quick restart always fixes it, though!
@Kenzinru
@Kenzinru 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, your PC will eventually restart on its own whether you want it to or not. Windows update will make sure of that.
@pascha4527
@pascha4527 2 жыл бұрын
I dont see why software would be an issue tho. I was managing a few dozen servers once in my life, they all were running multiples windows VM and being on 99.999% of the time. The issues we had with the systems were very minimal.
@NinjAsylum
@NinjAsylum 2 жыл бұрын
I havent turned any of my computers off since 2001
@Subbefore-di7eo
@Subbefore-di7eo 2 жыл бұрын
Read my name
@The.One.True.B
@The.One.True.B 2 жыл бұрын
@@Subbefore-di7eo nah
@bradburnett4660
@bradburnett4660 2 жыл бұрын
@ltt: when I was a kid at school the had an exercise bike hooked up to a light bulb switch board that had a power output reader. They showed us what it was like to produce xyz amounts of power by switching on the light bulbs while you rode it, and it was really eye opening to see what it would be like to run a 400 watt cpu. maybe you should do a video like that to make the audience appreciate power and how far we have come.. and what might be plausible in the future.
@kernel_data_inpage_error
@kernel_data_inpage_error 2 жыл бұрын
I own a dell latitude e6500 from 2008 and for the past 4 years has been on as a print server, the usage is so light that it doesnt even turn on the cooler (only when I run a full system upgrade) had only to replace thermal paste and brush it off battery is fine as well as you can disable the charging without having to remove it from the system
@CaptPatrick01
@CaptPatrick01 2 жыл бұрын
Back when I used an XP machine, it would start glitching if it remained on for too long. Usually 16 hours to 2 days. Hardware was fine though, the software was the issue. Nowadays it's much more stable. I've left Windows 10 running for days on accident without problems, so the only issue now is the electricity bill. On a side note, my phone would lose the ability to connect to wifi if left on for a month, but a quick restart fixes it every time.
@nealreiersen6823
@nealreiersen6823 2 жыл бұрын
I had a similar expereicne with XP but since window 7 I've never regularly turned off my computer and it goes months if not years with only update restarts inturupting it, and I have never seen a problem with either longevity or performance.
@ddule8762
@ddule8762 2 жыл бұрын
I had the same problem on AMD AM2 platform. Had 4GB of ram and a Athlon 3600+ 2 core. It had the same issue on Windows 7! Once held at more then 2 days, the morning i step infront of a computer, the performance was quite worse.
@morganrussman
@morganrussman 2 жыл бұрын
I had an Asus laptop with windows 7 on it back in 2010/2011 or so, I used that for up to about 2014 or so, I had it on once for up to almost 19 days solid once. In context to having a computer that I regularly used, I never broke that record, computers I infrequently used, I broke that easily. For those wondering, I set up laptops on hibernation mode when I closed the lids. Unfortunately, I can't set up hibernation mode on one of my laptops right now because the option is unavailable to do so.
@justicegaminginc
@justicegaminginc 2 жыл бұрын
the only time i ever turn off my pc is when servicing components or more commonly when i run into stability issues
@belstar1128
@belstar1128 2 жыл бұрын
My current pc had a similar problem but it was worse it only took a few hours before everything crashed but it magically went away it also has another problem where it just gets slow but its not as bad because it take a long time before it gets too slow.
@savagepro9060
@savagepro9060 2 жыл бұрын
Techquickie: What If You Never Turn Off Your Computer? Power Company: 👍👍👍
@rawhide_kobayashi
@rawhide_kobayashi 2 жыл бұрын
cmon, it's 2022, your average PC sips power at idle.
@savagepro9060
@savagepro9060 2 жыл бұрын
@@rawhide_kobayashi what if you're not the only one in your neighborhood with a non-turned-off computer?
@rawhide_kobayashi
@rawhide_kobayashi 2 жыл бұрын
@@savagepro9060 then they make however many extra few tens of watts per household it's a microscopic amount compared to how much electricity everyone's regular appliances suck up
@adamloos1388
@adamloos1388 2 жыл бұрын
I'm kind of surprised one of the components listed to go bad wasn't water pumps/AIO pumps. I built a PC about 3 years ago with a Corsair AIO and it's still going strong, but that's the first thing I worry about going out.
@Razear
@Razear 2 жыл бұрын
Still using the same PC that I built over 10 years ago. The only thing that started dying was the stock fans that came with the case. Sleeve bearing fans will usually make an audible grinding noise at cold boot, and that's a good indicator that they're on their way out. Every other pivotal component, even HDDs are still operating as normal.
@SeanClarke
@SeanClarke 2 жыл бұрын
I have two generic desktops (running Linux). They have been powered on almost continuously for 12 and 14 years.
@1HeatWalk
@1HeatWalk 2 жыл бұрын
That's insane and very cool
@luckydepressedguy8981
@luckydepressedguy8981 2 жыл бұрын
(linux)
@oqocraft2661
@oqocraft2661 2 жыл бұрын
@` *ignore them*
@cnr_0778
@cnr_0778 2 жыл бұрын
Why?? I know that's fine for Linux but restarting for big system updates is still a good idea. Doing a big update and not restarting can cause serious stability issues (especially if you get an nVidia driver update)
@cnr_0778
@cnr_0778 2 жыл бұрын
@@ArdgalAlkeides "almost continuously" implies that they reboot their system like once a week or so.
@mayankshrivastava3774
@mayankshrivastava3774 2 жыл бұрын
The weirdest thing about capacitors is they were never talked about as cylindrical electricity containers in high school physics. It was always flat metallic rectangular plates facing each other, sometimes with a dielectric slab in between, that we had to find the capacitance of
@xavierutox
@xavierutox 2 жыл бұрын
Inside those cylinders there is a parallel plate capacitor, and by rolling them up, the space they would occupy if they were not rolled up is reduced. So the theory you were taught in high school is somewhat true.
@DrFreeeman
@DrFreeeman 2 жыл бұрын
They are still just that, it's just that the two plates are rolled up to take less space.
@mayankshrivastava3774
@mayankshrivastava3774 2 жыл бұрын
@@xavierutox Thank you. That makes a lot more sense
@AthenaKolva
@AthenaKolva 2 жыл бұрын
Yess!! Monitor lifespan video please! Also include CRTs! As for this video, awesome, I love stuff like this- lifespan!!
@potatosordfighter666
@potatosordfighter666 2 жыл бұрын
I have a system with an i7 4790k, and at longest I had it on for over 500 days, and routinely kept it going for over 200 days. It still works fine to this day and the mobo caps and VRMs are all still going quite well.
@SmolPotatowo
@SmolPotatowo 2 жыл бұрын
I've had my computer for almost 10 years now and I leave it on. Anecdotal experience for sure but I've only had one HDD die... it was a Seagate. (Yes I have a 10 year old HDD in my computer, yes it's backed up.) Crystal disk info says it has over 25000 power on hours and 2500 power cycles. Edit: Oops I was looking at my SSD my actual HDD has 69999 (nice) hours exactly and 4696 power cycles.
@MattExzy
@MattExzy 2 жыл бұрын
The only drive I've had die was a portable that was always plugged in and out of stuff, including TVs etc - died a prompt death in about two years, never had heavy writing to it. Had the same drive model in a laptop that saw heavy use over a decade, usually left on - still runs.
@MarcioHuser
@MarcioHuser 2 жыл бұрын
5 years for HDD? Woopsies, my "youngest" one is around7 years now of continuous use 😅
@rossharper1983
@rossharper1983 2 жыл бұрын
I've got some in my server that are 20 years old, still going strong but I have had others die after only a few years.
@MarcioHuser
@MarcioHuser 2 жыл бұрын
@@rossharper1983 The ones I lost along the previous 10/12 years were ALL Seagate drives of 500GB and up. They ALL failed my in less than 2 years, no exceptions
@rossharper1983
@rossharper1983 2 жыл бұрын
@@MarcioHuser I currently have 67tb in my server. Over the 20+ years I've lost drives from all brands but within the last 5 or so years I have to say Toshiba's have been the most reliable. Currently using a suite of Toshiba 8tb drives.
@matsv201
@matsv201 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly my old phenom died 2 years back, so i had to get a new-old-stock ryzen to replace it with, what a wast. 6 month later my old gpu died also. What a sad year. But the.psu is still working
@rossharper1983
@rossharper1983 2 жыл бұрын
@@matsv201 I mean it was a phenom, time to upgrade anyway lol
@HalkerVeil
@HalkerVeil 2 жыл бұрын
you can just run a program like msi afterburner that can be setup to shutdown the pc if it detects a fan going to 0. It's in the alarm section. And under the run application. And 'shutdown' is an option in there. Can also set it to trigger on temps as well. Or any number of other events.
@Mir_Teiwaz
@Mir_Teiwaz 2 жыл бұрын
I would assume other OSs have this option, but i know Windows has power settings for your hard drives. You can set it so that they turn off after X minutes without use, which is what I do since I tend to keep things that I use often on SSD.
@GeneralNickles
@GeneralNickles 2 жыл бұрын
It's also worth pointing out that leaving your computer running can result in slow downs. Especially if you have programs like web browsers running. They just eat up all your system resources, and the entire system starts to chug. Just shut down your computer when you're not using it. It's not hard, and if you have a fast SSD, it doesn't take long to boot up. Just do it.
@davidfrischknecht8261
@davidfrischknecht8261 2 жыл бұрын
Unless you stream music from your PC and want it available for remote access when you're away.
@lexecomplexe4083
@lexecomplexe4083 2 жыл бұрын
N0
@Tiyratania
@Tiyratania 2 жыл бұрын
You didn't explain why web browsers are bad if you leave them on. Wtf do you mean eats up all your system resources? From doing what? How does it slowdown anything?
@Nabee_H
@Nabee_H 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tiyratania Yah, nothing a software update/system update wont fix anyways
@GeneralNickles
@GeneralNickles 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tiyratania the longer a web browser is left running, the more ram it will use. And depending on exactly what processes it's running in the background, it can also take up huge portions of your CPUs workload. (But this is generally only a concern if you have a fairly low power CPU. Kind of a thing of the past for the most part these days.) All of this means your computer becomes slow and unresponsive the longer you leave it running.
@Faneezy
@Faneezy 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to hear the opposing side, are there any downsides to turning your computer off every night? Or there are none?
@jatoxo
@jatoxo 2 жыл бұрын
Turning your computer off an on every night causes no harm, it helps windows clear cached data etc. The only strain caused by turning off and on your computer is an HDD spinning up and down, because that's when they endure the most wear
@MaipuruSyrup
@MaipuruSyrup 2 жыл бұрын
They covered that towards the end, they said it does no harm then moved on.
@ddule8762
@ddule8762 2 жыл бұрын
@@jatoxo Actually, shutting it off doesn't completely reset the system, restarting it does. When restarting, you are forcing the system to boot up fresh new files from the hard drive. When shutting it off, sometimes it leaves some files inside RAM to boot it up more quickly or just not get bothered with loading in some stuff. I think LTT themselves did this analysis? Not really sure.
@hirmuolio
@hirmuolio 2 жыл бұрын
@@jatoxo AFAIK all hard drives have power managment in them so they will spin down when not in use. How long they need to be unused for the spin down to happen varies by model. So unless your HDD has your OS/some other continuously running software it will spin down and up during normal use too.
@jatoxo
@jatoxo 2 жыл бұрын
@@ddule8762 You are talking about "fast startup" which saves the state of the windows kernel **on the disk**. It should still help with most of the Windows things that hog your computer if you leave it running for an eternity
@NasTwice
@NasTwice 2 жыл бұрын
Only issue I ever had while having PC turned on for prolonged times was the SATA power cable short-circuited and started melting the plastic insulator, making a bit of smoke. Luckily someone else was in the room and turned off the PC before it got too serious. Cable was around 6-7 years old and luckily, it didn't damage any other components.
@Doggo_Norse
@Doggo_Norse 2 жыл бұрын
I've had my desktop PC running 24/7 for 8 years continously and it's still working great, I clean the insides out every 1 to 2 years and redo the thermal paste when I clean it out, it doesn't get that dusty, it still works like it did when it was new
@Doggo_Norse
@Doggo_Norse 2 жыл бұрын
@Windows 98 to be 100% honest I've only had 1, and that was 3 to 4 years ago, other then that, surprisingly no
@GhostyGoBoo
@GhostyGoBoo 2 жыл бұрын
You end up with a nice surprise when the electricity bill comes through the post
@aaronho4242
@aaronho4242 2 жыл бұрын
Not really here in texas electricity is cheap
@DJ.1001
@DJ.1001 2 жыл бұрын
If your computer used 100w on average and was powered on for every hour of an entire year, at the average rate of elecricity it would cost you less than $100 per year in electricity.
@GhostyGoBoo
@GhostyGoBoo 2 жыл бұрын
@@aaronho4242 I'm extremely jealous. UK caps were raised; my bill is £700 more a year now...
@nateturner1029
@nateturner1029 2 жыл бұрын
ive left my pc on for about 8 years nonstop, never had a problem, you should see how many hours my original 2tb hard drive from when i was 14 has, its insane how many hrs it has and still perfectly good
@ZombieDawg
@ZombieDawg 2 жыл бұрын
I just upgraded my previous computer (a Shuttle XPC with an i7) after 7.5 years, which I left on for about 7 years worth of that time. My SSD was the first thing to expire- too many write cycles, catastrophic failure. After replacing that SSD with another, that computer lives on as the kids' homeschool classroom computer. I make sure to set my computers to sleep overnight now, which has also been saving a surprising amount of power.
@hardenburgc
@hardenburgc 2 жыл бұрын
Temperature fluctuations caused by powering your pc off and on daily causes expansion and contraction of components that will decrease their lifespan. An old electronics engineer explained this to me and it seems to hold true throughout the 20 plus years of my professional experience. Leave it on and perform reboots once a week to keep the OS updated and you'll have less issues all around.
@Brenwey
@Brenwey 2 жыл бұрын
Every high school English teacher.
@WhoLover
@WhoLover 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of how, when I was younger, I thought restarting your computer meant factory resetting it. Jesus I was dumb lol
@mws3779
@mws3779 Жыл бұрын
I remember "back in the day," one of the claims made was the heating and cooling cycles could cause the solder to crack. Handling PCB's everyday at work the solder on modern boards is much better (lead free sucks, flows like crap) but I really don't see that as much of this happening today. But I still remember the church I went to keeping their Packard Bell on all the time.
@flaminggasolineinthedarkne4
@flaminggasolineinthedarkne4 2 жыл бұрын
please make a video about monitors lifespan as early as you can and also about why do vertical lines appear on a monitor.
@microbuilder
@microbuilder 2 жыл бұрын
*windows forced update/restarts* Let me help you with that!
@turgsh01
@turgsh01 2 жыл бұрын
While I do turn off my gaming rig when not using it, I never turn off my media PC... cuz I'm always using it. Forced windows updates are pretty much the only time it ever sees a restart too.
@micobugija6284
@micobugija6284 2 жыл бұрын
Its why l switched mine to linux. I have only turned it off to add or replace stuff really
@turgsh01
@turgsh01 2 жыл бұрын
@@micobugija6284 I tried Linux... worst experience of my life. Nothing worked, and when it did, it was buggy as hell. Getting Linux to work correctly is like having a full time job... really not worth it.
@delofon
@delofon 2 жыл бұрын
Media PC? Do you mind if I ask what are you doing with it just out of curiosity?
@micobugija6284
@micobugija6284 2 жыл бұрын
@@turgsh01 depends on what you want it to do really.
@micobugija6284
@micobugija6284 2 жыл бұрын
@@delofon mostly plex, running backup services, and similar
@m2mdohkun
@m2mdohkun 2 жыл бұрын
My other problem is our rented house were sensitive to thunder and trip suddenly. So yeah, on and off is a daily thing. Plus the need to save the bill is kinda priority too. I'm still saving for good ups as I don't has one. I pray that my setup lasts longer than a decade. Man, making money grow on trees is hard!
@TechDove
@TechDove 2 жыл бұрын
My parents had a really old macintosh, I think it was from the very late 80's and they left it on every day, every night for almost 16 years before they finally got a windows 2000 pc
@jesseinfinite
@jesseinfinite 2 жыл бұрын
It literally takes less than 5 seconds to boot. Why do people not shut down their PCs unless there's a task that requires completion running?
@TheGalderis
@TheGalderis 2 жыл бұрын
Must be lazy people. There is really no reason not to. I only let my PC sleep if I know I'll be back in an hour or two but if I'm away for longer - shutting it off. It's mental.
@mjmeans7983
@mjmeans7983 2 жыл бұрын
Thermal cycling will age certain electronic components faster than continuous use if the components experience large differences in temperature between when they are in use and when they are turned off. This is particularly imporrtant for cponents that are normally operating near the high end of their operation temperature range.
@R3lentlessXgM
@R3lentlessXgM 2 жыл бұрын
I've been using a hard drive as backup storage since I got my first prebuilt 13 years ago, I have an m.2 for boot and ssd for main storage but for very large files besides certain games I want on either m.2 or the ssd I throw on my hard drive and still haven't had issues with it.
@pythonl0rd584
@pythonl0rd584 2 жыл бұрын
Lol I’ve just turned my pc off after it’s been on the past week and a half, let’s see if I was right or not to do so
@jacobkorban476
@jacobkorban476 2 жыл бұрын
lmao imagine leaving your pc on while not using it. Prolly kids that don't pay for their power bills.
@fearofchicke
@fearofchicke 2 жыл бұрын
I’d bet you take cold showers and adhere to “if it’s yellow let it mellow” too.
@jacobc5747
@jacobc5747 2 жыл бұрын
if the monitor is off and it's idling it would only be a few watts.
@jacobkorban476
@jacobkorban476 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacobc5747 yeah I understand it uses very little power idling, I just don't want my aio pump to die from too many on hours.
@jacobc5747
@jacobc5747 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacobkorban476 well yeah me neither. That's a different case completely than "kids that don't pay the power bill" tho
@Theleochan
@Theleochan 2 жыл бұрын
For remote access you could also setup the wake on lan
@troik
@troik 2 жыл бұрын
was expecting a section about added wear and tear from heating up and cooling down multiple times a day if you turn your computer on and off often vs. leaving it running idle
@santinojoshuatorre1695
@santinojoshuatorre1695 2 жыл бұрын
i have two case fans from an Aerocool case. They look bad and have those crappy LEDs that are visible from each corner. I got them in 2010 and they still run in my daughter's PC while the case they came from is gathering dust in storage (it's a great case, with removable 5.25 bay mesh segments, but the side panel was acrylic and scratched like heck now).
@aaronlandry3947
@aaronlandry3947 2 жыл бұрын
Since many many windows versions ago when you click on shut down it doesn't actually shut down your computer... can actually just goes into a hybrid sleep mode. The only way to actually shut it down in the sense of removing power from all the components on the board is to do a restart or pull the power plug. If you install a program and it tells you need to restart the computer and you decide to do a full shutdown and then press the power button to turn it back on the program won't work properly because the computer didn't actually shut down... It just went into that hybrid sleep mode.
@lilyflowerangel
@lilyflowerangel 2 жыл бұрын
getting that dust off those DDR2 OCZ Dimms. Oh nostalgia~
@james2396
@james2396 2 жыл бұрын
I think AIO pumps dying is something to consider too, you'll realistically have no idea (if there aren't any sensors) apart from it being slightly quieter and your cpu/gpu overheating quite a bit!
@2A4ever
@2A4ever 2 жыл бұрын
Ooo I would definitely like to see the same video but for monitors like James teased us with at the end there
@gotanksrox5331
@gotanksrox5331 Жыл бұрын
always powered on with sleep mode active is the way to go. best of both worlds: draws very little power and preserves components, and can start back up in an instant even via network.
@robsku1
@robsku1 2 жыл бұрын
I've had at least one PC on 24/7 ever since I switched to Linux in 2002 - there's the remote connecting and access to all the data on my file server (which is optionally a second desktop PC on my home LAN, but usually the same machine I use as my main desktop) from wherever I happen to be - SSH, and if needed, a remote X session or VNC to my current desktop session tunneled through that SSH connection. But there's also the fact that I like to have multiple different things I'm working on open at same time, so I can instantly switch to whatever I'd like to do. I like to keep my most used applications open and ready, and I don't like reloading all the stuff required when I want to switch to a software development project, elecrtronic music project or just my KZfaq session. Even my laptop is on 24/7, at least in theory. I only do a complete reboot when the kernel has been upgraded - and usually after a while, because I don't like to close up everything. In practise it's in sleep mode (suspended to RAM) most of the time it's in my bag or simply not connected to AC and used at the moment. If the battery gets too low I hibernate the system (suspend to disk), and shut it down. But I don't consider it a reboot in this context, as it will read the state of the system from disk to RAM and continue right where I left it. I've only have had caps go bad in one computer so far. It was the one I bought in 2002 when switching to Linux, and it was only 2 or 3 years old at the time - I've had PC's easily last 5 years, many even 10 years of active use without them caps going bad. I don't know if I've just been lucky, especially as I've gotten all my computer since used - it was the last PC I bought as new.
@PJxpanterx
@PJxpanterx 2 жыл бұрын
My PC from 2002 is always on and still running fine, only thing I changed was the 7970 for a 980 ti a bunch of years ago. Still using it every day.
@quesokid4959
@quesokid4959 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I don’t see a lot of people mentioning in here is the HEAT it pumps into your room. I was in a door room last semester and my roommate had his big full tower Corsair case with 3 exhausts fans running constantly with all his programs open. I’d come back at night sometimes and get hit with a warm humid wave of air walking in. Between the sleeping area room and the room we had our PCs in there was noticeable 3-4 degrees temp diff. So yeah if your room is cold in the winter just keep your pc running with a decent amount of programs open. It’ll heat the room right up lmao.
@Nabee_H
@Nabee_H 2 жыл бұрын
This is a amazing benefit for me living in Canada I typically like my room a little warmer than the rest of my family which the PC takes care of (Might be because of my PC lol)
@Lord_Humungus
@Lord_Humungus 2 жыл бұрын
thank you, I found this very informative
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