You're just blatantly incorrect about the Winter War. 1. The Soviet Union asked for land and offered similar amount of land in a less developped area. 2. Soviet Union took more land than they had originally asked for, which does make sense, but you said that they only took what they had requested. 3. While you didn't actually say anything about this, it should be mentioned in this comment that the Soviet Union had plans to eventually annex Finland, with taking of key defensive lines in the South as the first step. While the invasion wouldn't have been immediate, it was their long term goal, since Finland had been a part of the Russian Empire and the USSR was quite expansionist. 4. "They didn't annex the country" That's because Finland fought furiously back and it was clear to the Soviet leadership that an occupation of Finland, while possible, would be too costly for what it was worth. That's also the main reason to why they agreed to sign a separate peace deal with Finland to end the Continuation War. The Finns were actually preparing for a occupation during the last weeks of the Winter War, with weapon caches being put in key locations, with the distinct purpose of making the occupation as costly as possible. I could go on and on about various points about the Winter War, expanding on what I have said, but that's the gist of it and I do that whole "going on and on" plenty enough already, as it is my job. Technically I'm just a substitute and I'm paid accordingly, but I still teach 40 teens year-round.

As a Czech, I must say that the union couldn't have sadly survived to this day. Zapadaslovia could have had any borders it could want but it still would be a giant Polish majority dominated country, even if Czechia and Slovakia combined in opposition, they would still be a only a third of its population. Not to mention lingustic, geographic, cultural, and even like in Yugoslavia, religious differences. I highly doubt that it could last even to the 70s. There is a reason why it was never formed even though it was proposed so many times in our timeline

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interesting, I had never heard of the concept of Zapadoslavia before

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7:16 I think they'd still be more willing to ally with the Nazis than the Communists even though the Nazis would be demanding a lot more since non-communist governments generally had a tendency to prefer fascism over communism until 1939.

Wow. This was a pretty good video, I really enjoyed it. Also, I have a question: Can you make a scenario where the 2nd Balkan war never happened? Mihajlo Bogdanović

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I was thinking that maybe Zapadoslavia would be severed into an east and west like how Germany was partitioned, but in retrospect, I dont think the allies would accept this. Also, cool vid !! I hope you continue to make quality content in the future :)

Nice!

very cool scenario!

To be fair, in 1938 and Munich agreement, Czechoslovakian army was on par with German one. Czechoslovakia was third or fourth biggest arms manufacturer in the world and if there weren’t major industrial fuck up/ups, Zapadoslavia shouldn’t be behind Germany in industrialization. Just Czechoslovakia had 1,000,000+ army personal (after mobilization), with 300,000 professional and rest semi professional, where Germans had 2,000,000 with more then million (maybe as million and half) of total green soldiers.

According to 3rd May Contitution (Polish 1st in Europe Constitution) the King would be from Wettin dynasty, cause it said that after Death King Stanisław August Poniatowski the new king would not be elected, but it will be Frederick August I Wettin. Also it is important, that Czechoslovakia and Poland would be in very bad relationship, as they originaly were in 1920's

Great video the only thing I think that is unrealistic is the allied landings at Gdansk(Danzig) because Denmark and Norway were under nazi occupation which means the nazis were basically in control of Baltic sea and any allied ship that may pass would most likely be destroyed by the german Atlantic wall or the remaining submarines that nazis had But other than that I think this video is great 9/10

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Never heard of this proposed country till now

3:06 - As a Pole, I think that in this alternative scenario, the terietories controlled by Roman Dmowski and by Józef Piłsudski should have been switched beetwen them, esspecially that Roman Dmowski lived in the western part of Poland, while Józef Piłsudzki didn't really care about greater poland (a region in western poland where Dmowski lived) and didn't want greater poland to be a part of Poland, and greaterpoles had to fight to be a part of the Polish state in Greater Poland's uprising in years 1918-1919. That's why I would switch their controlled land in this alternate scenario, though i'd give Warsaw on Piłsudzki's side, and maybe recompensate that to the Dmowski's side by giving them some of the southern parts of Poland. This isn't a significant thing in your scenario, tho I wanted to point that out. Despite that, I think that it's an interesting and pretty cool video!

1. 6:23 Lwów or Lvov would have been the more apt spelling for the city if it were Zapadoslavian. 2. 9:03 On the surface it may seem like Poland lost land in WW2, however the territory ceded from Germany to Poland was much more developed than what the Soviets had taken.

Why do you use mep that shows Crimea as part of Russia?

But imagine an entire union of slavic nations. Would be unstoppable...

Nowadays this wouldn't work because of the liberal and atheist czechia and conservative and catholic poland.

hey bro love your vidoes i noticed that they're slight issues with your english (not bad at all) i mean no disrespect but im going to offer to read through your sripts if youd like and correct your english errors for you, if you find that a little invasive (which is understandable) id happily give you some recomendations on how you can improve these slight but noticable errors

What to you think happens to the germans in the east in this world

This is a bit of a nitpick bit Poland was the one who invaded Russia in the first place Russia wasn’t prepared for that war since the civil war hadn’t ended yet

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0:24 we are missing Sobrs D:

10:01 even assuming everything in this video up to this point happens as in the video (i already made objections in another comment) this peace deal is unrealistic. the only reason the allies gave poland so much territory from germany in the OTL was because of the territory they lost to the USSR, it was compensation. the is no reason to give them so much land if they are not losing any land to the soviets. (similarly the forced german explusions are unlikely to happen in this timeline either meaning the Zaps are unlikely to want so much land anyway)

How would the Western Allies go into the baltique sea?

Then Articunoslavia and Moltreslavia would have followed, forming a legendary triple alliance.

Although I really like the idea there are some problems with this scenario... 1. The Polish Civil War idk where did you get the boundaries of the participant, but ok. I think there is huge possibility Piłsudzki would get along with the King or even Dmowski if he was the victor. They weren't some radical Republicans. 2. Also connected with the CW. Dmowski who was propagating Polish Poland wouldn't be really popular in Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuania and definietely not in Piłsudzki's hometown of Vilnius (look he doesn't have any ethnically Polish land in this scenario), so I think swapping their territories may be more accurate. (Although still not ideal) 3. That's not the so called "German corridor", what you have shown is much more than what Germans wanted. These are the boundaries of the 1st prussian partition of Poland in 1772 4. Minsk was within the Polish borders not Soviet

So if south slavia is yugoslavia and west slavia is zapadoslavia, what does that make east slavia?

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I feel the Soviets would just demand most of what they got OTL during the past with Germany. Territories like east galicia were overwhelmingly Ukrainian aside from the main city after all. The nazis also still held Denmark at the end of the war, so I doubt a Baltic invasion plan could happen, though the allies may get more of Germany or perhaps parts of Yugoslavia. The union would also put Czechoslovakia under threat of the Soviets making it unlikely along with other reasons, and I dont see it as sustainable in the long run.

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5:49-7:10 I think you over state how much land the germans would demand, and understate how much land the soviets would demand. firstly the germans: 1 - even in their harshest ultimatum right before their ww2 invasion, germany did not demand the entire polish corridor, only demand a referendum (with the right for anyone who could proved they lived there in 1918 or earlier able to vote in adition to its current residence), a referendum run by france and britian. and even then the demands did not include all of the polish corridor, the polish port of Gdynia was excluded by name (which was the largest seaport in the baltic by 1938 and had 48% of all polish trade, land and sea). [points 2, 3, 4 and 7 of the ultimatum] 2 - included in the above ultimatum was a demand for a guarantee of free passage along a 1km wide transit lane through the polish corridor for both germany and poland, guaranteeing poland acess to Gdynia and the sea if it was cut off by the results of the referendum, or connecting germany to east prussia if the results of the referrendum still resulted in it being cut off. this included the germans having the right to build a 4 track railway and a highway to east prussia in their potential 1km wide lane that must bridge over existing polish roads and rails so as not to interfear with polish traffic, with poland being given the same rights to build rails and roadways in their potential 1km wide lane. [point 6 and 8 of the ultimatum] it should be noted that this would have built apon existing transit agreements, germany was already agreenteed access to polish rails and roads to east prussia as of a april 1921 paris treaty. and that the germans had already asked for the extension to allow them to build and expand new roads and rails in 1938. 3 - the germans offered a treaty that would continue polish special trade rights through Danzig (and potentially other german ports) [points 10 and 11 of the ultimatum] 4 - in germany's 1938 demands to poland they did not demand any territory other than Danzig and the right to the 1km wide transit lane (still otherwise polish), its Poland''s rejection that resulted in the harsher demands in 1939.which are still less harsh than presented in the video. in addition the 1934 non-aggression treaty would be extended another 25 years aswell as a defensive alliance against the USSR. so your portrayal of the german demands is way worse than the historical demands when they were prepared to go to war over the issue, let alone the historical 1938 demands. As based on the german census data only a minority of the polish corridor was majority german in 1918 and earlier, meaning even if every german with the right to vote in the referendum voted to have their town/village/city rejoin germany the majority of the polish territory shown in the video at 5:50 would stay in polish hands in even the most extreme german demand to poland. map for idea of likely voting/territory for poland side: i.pinimg.com/1200x/6d/d3/f4/6dd3f460d3642671b8cf4c4afa7dca4a.jpg some maps of photos/scans taken from books: www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ea85fo/ethnographic_map_of_poland_1918/ upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Poles_in_German_Empire%2C_1910_census.jpg Next the USSR. 1 - the territorial claims of the Ukrainian SSR alone dwarfs your soviet demands lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/kHhfsGo6QZu2e9DCLIisLt7_AT2xUZFYZP6JMtafztq1OsmJ3-dKToLR3yK3WA57NBHhr5y1pwCXQX6lRe5dX9Qf7n8-skgQwW21LnoQIWuAw50MzEoFxa-3pl8jsUBWMQTBhqpa1SN85doT-g786ERfA-4CntQN 2 - the soviet territory taken in 1939 and 1945 historically greatly exceeds those prosed in the video. 3- the east slavic minorities are much greater than the territories demanded by the soviets in the video, and realistically if the soviets are going to make any claim they will demand ones along ethnic lines: eg: www.edmaps.com/poland_1921_ethnographic_map_d.jpg upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/GUS_languages1931_Poland.jpg/640px-GUS_languages1931_Poland.jpg upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Polacy_na_Kresach_1931.PNG the Curszon line was originally proposed by the british and the soviets would almost certainly try and push for as much of it as possible I just don't see the soviets realistically demanding so little from the Polish as the video in 6:10, especially after you consider the carpatho-ruthenians in ex-czechoslovakia. Overview: the Zaps would actually get a better deal from the germans than in the video, worse than the video from the USSR, face more pressure from the allies to negotiate with the germans than the USSR and being monarchist would be less willing to negotiate with the ussr in the first place.

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No, the Soviet Union tried to reintegrate Finland, like they did with the Baltics. In the 30ies irridentist movements inside the Soviet Union got strong. Likely they wouldn't been satisfied with what Zapadoslavia proposed. Minsk is still a few km next to the border, despite giving up belarussian and ukrainian lands. So even your argumentation doesn't fit the narrativ. They would have wanted to devide Zapadoslavia with Germany, but no lasting peace with Poland let democratic Zapadoslavia. Poland and Democracy are two reasons why it wouldn't have worked in our timeline. You would have to replace Stalin and the communist elite with a suddenly polish friendly one to make this work.

In Polish it's "zachód" (read zahood) not "zapad"

Wouldn't it make more sense to also hand Pomerania to Zapadoslavia? It is also inhabited by ethnic and linguistic western slavs. I know the nation would be unrealistic and a bit to strong, but it would be truer to the althist's goal

I am a little disappointed by the mistakes made not only by Czech alternative history enthusiasts, but also by foreign ones. Please don't take this the wrong way, I just want to dispel one myth about invincible Germany. In 1938, the German army was not yet ready for war. Half of the Wehrmacht and two-thirds of the German generals, including the retired Ludwig Beck and especially Werner von Fritsch, unequivocally disagreed with the attack on Czechoslovakia. Both of them, together with other pragmatically minded generals, even had a well-prepared plan to overthrow Hitler in the event that Czechoslovakia refused to hand over the Sudetenland without a fight. In addition, the vast majority of German tanks at the time were Pz.Kpfw. I and Pz.Kpfw. II, which were very defective and unsuitable for the mountainous terrain that covered the entire Sudetenland except southern Bohemia and southern Moravia. The tanks that successfully conquered Poland and France were overwhelmingly originally Czechoslovak tanks LT vz. 35 and LT vz. 38, which were known in the German army as Pz 35(t) and Pz 38(t). Not to mention that after Germany occupied the Sudetenland and the subsequent occupation of Bohemia and Moravia, Hitler acquired Czech gold, thanks to which he saved the German economy from bankruptcy as a result of constant armaments. The most important factor was the acquisition of the entire Czech light and especially heavy industry without a fight. In addition, Czechoslovakia had one of the densest railway networks and mainly raw materials (Czech steel and Moravian oil) thanks to which the German army was perfectly supplied. Even the German air force in 1938 was not 100% good. The Germans only had one month's supply of fuel, while the Germans would need at least three months to conquer Czechoslovakia. In addition, half of the Luftwaffe at that time consisted of outdated biplanes, often worse and more malfunctioning than the Czechoslovak Avia B-534, which, despite weaker machine guns and engines, still represented a worthy opponent even for the then newest Bf 109 fighters, which lagged behind in maneuverability and climbability. If Czechoslovak President Edvard Beneš rejected the Munich Agreement and Hitler decided to use violence to expand German territory to the east, then even if there was no very likely coup d'état, the conquest of Czechoslovakia would be a lot like the Soviet invasion of Finland. At the time of the Czechoslovak mobilization, the Czechoslovak army had 1.5 million men - the German army had around 2 million, which is not a dramatic difference. Moreover, while the Czechoslovak army was perfectly trained and well prepared for defense and, above all, determined to defend its home at all costs, the German army was still overwhelmingly made up of rookies, since the experienced ones were then fighting in Spain against the Republicans. As for Poland and Hungary, they did sympathize with Hitler, but Hungary would not 100% dare to attack southern Slovakia, because the Kingdom of Romania made it clear that it would immediately intervene in case of Hungarian aggression, which the then Hungarian regent Miklós Horthy was very well aware of. Poland also most likely would not attack Czechoslovakia, because the Soviet government threatened the Polish one that in the event of Polish aggression it would cancel the non-aggression pact, which would open the door for the Red Army to intervene in Poland, which the Poles were also very well aware of. All in all, I'm sure that a German invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1938 would have ended for Germany the same way it did for the Soviet Union in early 1940. The Germans might have gained the southern Sudetenland (southern Bohemia and southern Moravia) and Chebsko (the westernmost territory of Czechoslovakia west of city of Karlovy Vary). Czechoslovakia would defend its existence and the German Reich would go bankrupt without Czech gold within half a year and there would be a civil war very similar to the one in then Spain.

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5:01 Zapodoslavia Has Coat of arms of Western Ukraine on their flag in the middle soooo

Its not pronounced Jozef, its Yuzef

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Great video but Zapadoslavian soviet border is... just bad. I think soviets should take all lithuanian and belarusian lands. About ukrainian part just what you show: north east (forget the name in english) go to ussr and eastern galicja with lviv stays with zap

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What happened to East Prussia 😂

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It's a good enough alternate scenario overall but I have one problem with Zapadoslavia's decision to cede its undeveloped East Slav regions to the USSR and, funnily enough, the problem is that you've approached the issue like a sensible and rational person who correctly judged the Nazi territorial demands as more crippling to the Zapadoslav state. Interwar Eastern Europe was not politically lead by such sensible and rational people, it was for the most part led by open anti-communists who would sooner cut off all their limbs than engage in cordial border adjustments with the communists, even for the sake of national survival. To make this happen would require a significant personal intervention from the noted anti-Nazi King Karl Albrecht (who in our timeline declared Polish nationality and thus endured brutal Gestapo torture during the occupation), and the fact that he forced through this politically unpopular decision will for sure create a schism between King and Sejm for the duration of WW2.

last asf, but of course poland gets to keep vilnius. it's totally NOT an important capital city of any neighboring country.

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3:06 - As a Pole, I think that in this alternative scenario, the terietories controlled by Roman Dmowski and by Józef Piłsudski should have been switched beetwen them, esspecially that Roman Dmowski lived in the western part of Poland, while Józef Piłsudzki didn't really care about greater poland (a region in western poland where Dmowski lived) and didn't want greater poland to be a part of Poland, and greaterpoles had to fight to be a part of the Polish state in Greater Poland's uprising in years 1918-1919. That's why I would switch their controlled land in this alternate scenario, though i'd give Warsaw on Piłsudzki's side, and maybe recompensate that to the Dmowski's side by giving them some of the southern parts of Poland. This isn't a significant thing in your scenario, tho I wanted to point that out. Despite that, I think that it's an interesting and pretty cool video!

3:06 - As a Pole, I think that in this alternative scenario, the terietories controlled by Roman Dmowski and by Józef Piłsudski should have been switched beetwen them, esspecially that Roman Dmowski lived in the western part of Poland, while Józef Piłsudzki didn't really care about greater poland (a region in western poland where Dmowski lived) and didn't want greater poland to be a part of Poland, and greaterpoles had to fight to be a part of the Polish state in Greater Poland's uprising in years 1918-1919. That's why I would switch their controlled land in this alternate scenario, though i'd give Warsaw on Piłsudzki's side, and maybe recompensate that to the Dmowski's side by giving them some of the southern parts of Poland. This isn't a significant thing in your scenario, tho I wanted to point that out. Despite that, I think that it's an interesting and pretty cool video!