What is High Bandwidth Memory? Feat. R9 Fury X

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9 жыл бұрын

AMD's Fiji GPU is the first chip in the world to include high bandwidth memory instead of GDDR5 VRAM. So... what is it? And why is it special? Who does it think it is? The PRESIDENT or something? It needs to get off its high horse. So we made this video to take it down a peg.
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Episode Credits:
Host: Linus Sebastian
Writer: Jack Sui
Editor: Barret Murdock

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@PhoenixRebirthed 9 жыл бұрын

AMD makes and helps develop useful innovations for this industry.

@MrHoward888 9 жыл бұрын

The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race AMD din't make HBM, Samsung did.

@PhoenixRebirthed 9 жыл бұрын

Please don't be ignorant. HBM development first began at AMD then AMD partnered with Sk Hynix to develop it further.

@damir1984 9 жыл бұрын

MrHoward888 You must be confusing it with 3D Vnand chips for SSD from Samsung, which are layerd similar in a way I guess ... but are not remotely the same thing.

@ViolentMLG 9 жыл бұрын

The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race They're terrible at turning it into products though.

@jackspencer2132 9 жыл бұрын

***** When they released GDDR5 with the 4000 series, it was very successful. I remember the 4870 and 4850 were very powerful cards and the best cards for price/performance.

@m-copyright 9 жыл бұрын

"Will my toaster ever be able to toast both side of a slice of a bread perfectly?" Answer: NO.

@Slay1337pl 9 жыл бұрын

muiecopyright yes, get 2 r9 290x refference, take off the plastic covering the radiator, connect them in a way that both radiators touch both sides of a toast, done!

@m-copyright 9 жыл бұрын

Slay OH YEAH. :)

@dinoseen3226 9 жыл бұрын

Slay Make sure to turn hairworks on, too.

@Man101than 9 жыл бұрын

If ever I meet Linus, I am not letting him touch anything of mine unless I want to drop it.

@k410xplozionz 9 жыл бұрын

Manthan Sit i'd let him touch it, he'd probably say sorry and compensate by getting me a much better item

@justanotherstarinthesky 9 жыл бұрын

k410xplozionz Aww did I broke your 5 years old laptop ? here's 2 xeon and a titan x :o

@Man101than 9 жыл бұрын

Keruji Gimme some ;)

@tigran914 9 жыл бұрын

Linus. I love you.

@fetB 9 жыл бұрын

so gay

@tigran914 9 жыл бұрын

***** I'd go gay for Linus. Can you imagine all the hardware I'd get my hands on?

@badass6300 9 жыл бұрын

Tigran Oganesyan you already are thinking like a woman.... I think I believe you...

@splashlog01 9 жыл бұрын

Tigran Oganesyan Get in line

@ZerpsT 9 жыл бұрын

Tigran Oganesyan WTF KENSHIN

@DiegoBQZ 9 жыл бұрын

To say it in another way: You could either eat a pizza in the traditional way (GDDR5) or you can create a Pizza cake by stacking the slices one on top of the other (HBM) I'm hungry, don't judge me =(

@dumkopf 9 жыл бұрын

***** That's the spirit!

@dumkopf 9 жыл бұрын

***** Also, when the pizza is stacked you can get more toppings and you can eat it faster.

@jcooper91 5 жыл бұрын

More pizza is always better, thank you for sharing this logic.

@3rdGenGuy 9 жыл бұрын

Imagine the carnage of a HBM2 Nvidia card. the FuryX wasn't able to beat the DDR5 980Ti, I can only imagine how fast Paskell will be.

@3rdGenGuy 9 жыл бұрын

1.They are limited to 4gb right now 2. They said they were going to have titanX beating performance 3. AMD released benchmarks of the furyX beating a titanX, but it never happened.

@Sdamobubbles 9 жыл бұрын

Linus broke NCIX''s Fury X.

@nhozdien5058 9 жыл бұрын

***** ?? wow bro. does he have GTX 980 ti to compare ?

@m9gam 9 жыл бұрын

***** Benchmark? Proof?

@m9gam 9 жыл бұрын

***** And we just have to believe you on your word? Right. Proof or it didn't happen. And you're saying that your friend that doesn't know a lot about hardware, just bought the newest enthousiast-grade videocard? Sure.

@spacecadet2827 9 жыл бұрын

Sean D'Souza it's probably for the best

@m9gam 9 жыл бұрын

***** Alright, I might've been wrong there, but you abused that fact to escape from my other point. Proof?

@renesingh999 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks NCIX and Linus for this informative video. Have a good one guys

@Bistromathematic 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the vid, Linus and friends!!

@chiragkhandelwal3758 9 жыл бұрын

HBM on toaster HYPE!!!!!

@high5one2ten 9 жыл бұрын

i remember when i was first getting into pc gaming and i saw a video describing (in theory) how hbm would work,it was just a concept than. now years later its here, its awesome to watch the tech you love progress.

@MrAntidodo 9 жыл бұрын

HBM on APU^s could be the savior of AMD, that would be somthing that neither Intel nor nvidia can do at the moment.

@WeightyLemur 9 жыл бұрын

MrAntidodo "could" "would" PS: You're right

@MrAntidodo 9 жыл бұрын

WeightyLemur fixed ;)

@PhoenixRebirthed 9 жыл бұрын

MrAntidodo AMD also has a patent on HBM so if Nvidia uses HBM II, AMD gets some moneyyyyy

@MrHoward888 9 жыл бұрын

The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race Nope, amd was actually late in the game with HBM. Nvidia been talking about HBM for years.

@MrHoward888 9 жыл бұрын

The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race Nope, amd was actually late in the game with HBM. Nvidia been talking about HBM for years.

@tariqtariq613 9 жыл бұрын

Great video Bro please do more PC builds and reviews with fury x I kind of of fallen in love with this graphic card but only I wish I could have had one....

@Zappyguy111 5 жыл бұрын

Informative, as usual.

@teekanne15 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the more technical video!

@sebastianvangen 9 жыл бұрын

4:33 xD

@foshastajones 9 жыл бұрын

HBM? ... Huge Bowel Movement? I dunno.

@pcgamingtoday5471 9 жыл бұрын

foshastajones hahahhahhahaah

@pcgamingtoday5471 9 жыл бұрын

foshastajones Well it is moving a huge amount of data.

@complacentcitizen124 8 жыл бұрын

+foshastajones facepalm..... lolz :D this is too funny all! lol scotland :P

@danielandresperezcastro9388 9 жыл бұрын

linus thaks for all computer advises

@Recon_Ninja 9 жыл бұрын

I can already smell my perfectly even toast

@RaydeusMX 9 жыл бұрын

I'll say it again, currently and until VRAM sizes increase the thing about HBM that has me the most interested is how it ends up working with memory stacking and DX12. Yes, it is undeniable 4GB is restrictive, but if the bandwidth increase means having a 2 or 3 card crossfire system with memory stacking is going to work as expected then it will be worth it for early adopters. Having 3 way crossfire system with 12GB stacked memory would be awesome once FuryX prices drop some and devs implement stacking support on new, DX12 games.

@dumkopf 9 жыл бұрын

Raydeus What games surpass 4GB VRAM usage right now? I can only think of one: GTA V

@RaydeusMX 9 жыл бұрын

Right now it's mainly heavily modded games that go beyond 4GB consistently, but as 4K gaming becomes cheaper going over the 4GB mark will be commonplace.

@pcgamingtoday5471 9 жыл бұрын

dumkopf We are more worried of games needing more vram in 2-3 years.

@raytheman64 9 жыл бұрын

dumkopf shadow of mordor

@Rockymann27 9 жыл бұрын

dumkopf Shadows of mordor does.

@BodyByBenSLC 9 жыл бұрын

I'm excited to see where this technology gos

@Xstewminatorgames 9 жыл бұрын

i feel well informed, good job describing it guys.

@juliusrendon5936 9 жыл бұрын

keep up the good work :)

@TheAhmedkader 9 жыл бұрын

Not Relevent Topic. But Should I get a tuna sandwich?

@teekanne15 9 жыл бұрын

ahmed khader No tuna is an endangered species and should not continued to be overfished

@udenszirnis1644 9 жыл бұрын

ahmed khader No

@Cheeky_Goose 9 жыл бұрын

ahmed khader 20 years from today there will no more Tuna. The number of Tuna fish in the world will be so little that the prices will either be ridiculously high, or it will be illegal to fish them

@vinhlamcanada 9 жыл бұрын

Nah get sum of dat synthetic tuna sandwich

@JavierJacobo88 9 жыл бұрын

ahmed khader only if the bread slices are evenly toasted

@dc2008242 9 жыл бұрын

those first few questions are all very good

@user-yw4cf3yd2w 9 жыл бұрын

Linus is bloody awsome!

@Mnovdef 9 жыл бұрын

That Graphic Card's fart at the end of the video was hilarious

@SarcasticLampr4y 9 жыл бұрын

sounds sick

@danniemck 9 жыл бұрын

Excited to see this in the next gaming laptop. My (2nd gen cpu) alienware is an overheating nightmare

@pcgamingtoday5471 9 жыл бұрын

Daniel McKenzie Shouldn't buy from alienware their laptops are a rip off and you can build a good PC for way less. If for some reason you need a laptop to game on you should just buy one from MSI of Gigabyte.

@thomasjcox 8 жыл бұрын

You're going to help me pick out my next computer.

@Nikoxion 9 жыл бұрын

One of the best intros xD

@bonkerclonker6767 9 жыл бұрын

AMD? Efficiency? WHAT PARALLEL WORLD IS THIS!?! Really nice video linus, helped me figure out why this new tech is important.

@jonasslettingjensen5032 9 жыл бұрын

Go HBM! Looking forward to see where this is going!

@jcooper91 5 жыл бұрын

Linus be having a tan from that blazing fast HBM2 😎

@Kneedragon1962 7 жыл бұрын

So this is high bandwidth memory for the video subsystem. Ok, that's nice. Optane (name?) is high bandwidth memory for the general system. We've yet to see an example, but it's kind of cross between an SSD and system memory. They get that working, it's going to blow the PCI SSDs right outa the water...

@FindecanorNotGmail 9 жыл бұрын

The only new thing here is that the memory is in the same package as the GPU. Vertically stacked memory chips have been the standard in supercomputing for some time, it is already mainstream in SSDs (although that memory is NAND flash and not DRAM) and it is getting more and more common _on_ DRAM sticks.

@BBBrooksNerdsauce 9 жыл бұрын

Sounds fancy

@geekinginandout 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Linus.

@xRaytheBeastx 9 жыл бұрын

I am looking to build a new pc and I was wondering if I was to move my storage from old computer to the new one (250 gb) and move it to the new pc containing new parts, will the old storage contain window 7 and photos, etc? Will it change if I add 1 tb storage?

@matsv201 9 жыл бұрын

1:10 - Its not a silicon wafer, its a die. A small cut of from a wafer. 4:10 - The limitation on 4GB of memory is not due to cost, but rather due to a limitation in the HBM1 standard. It only supports 1GB per stack. HBM2 will solve that and support up to 8GB per stack having a maximum amount of memory around 32GB

@Somnio64 9 жыл бұрын

my 980ti will be my last GDDR5 card. i can't wait til 2018 comes with Nividia's new Volta chips, they'll probably have HBM2 and AMAZING 4k performance!

@putrableeker151 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly we’re still not there yet. I’d guess 4K will be mainstream in 2023 tho.

@__--JY-Moe--__ 3 жыл бұрын

OMG!!! it's 2020 & we still want see this architectured in a fone or pc....2024 may not even have the HBM2E...when can I just die....

@Skidd2 9 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see this kind of memory actually in a motherboard... imagine the speed!!!

@pozyton9222 9 жыл бұрын

hey, can you make a videos about amd FRTC? It seems that many people confuse it with v-sync.

@TheTarne 9 жыл бұрын

Since gddr5 is ddr3 tec will there be a new gddr based on ddr4 or is it hbm only from now ?

@TehHaxor 9 жыл бұрын

Who needs a toaster when you can use two AMD GPUs. Kappa.

@mariodrv 9 жыл бұрын

Teh Haxor Actually the Titan gets ALOT hotter then any AMD card - you could literally fry eggs on the Titans V-Ram.

@kenzilbaptiste2519 9 жыл бұрын

mariodrv SO titan vs every AMD card ...Kappa

@galvanthetortle 9 жыл бұрын

Teh Haxor 4Head

@BabatundeOgunde 9 жыл бұрын

***** Well fanboys in general are not the brightest bunch, they just say what suits them.

@AndrewMaksymBrainNectar 9 жыл бұрын

Teh Haxor Well because those GPUs i think CPUs won't quite do it. But since you don't want a toaster, can I please eat those pop tarts that just popped up?

@bananacatmatt7837 9 жыл бұрын

Can you make an episode where it shows the Teleprompter on the corner of the screen so that way we can see how good and or bad linus is at reading the script?

@ProRevolutionsOne 9 жыл бұрын

Seems pretty good.

@wrenchtheroo6557 9 жыл бұрын

Is it better to have a FURY X or a GTX 980 TI to game for a longer period of time? I don't mean playing 4 hours in a row but the longevity like 2-3 years. So is the 980 ti will last fir less year than the fury x and also, will the performances will be better in next games than gddr5?

@saauuzza 3 жыл бұрын

wow time flies....

@joaquinguzman1669 9 жыл бұрын

I need help please. I have a PC with an AMD A10 processor, 4Gb of RAM and AMD HD Graphics. I use it for 3D modeling and videogame development and I'm going on a low budget here. I am a big noob in this and I was wondering what should I buy, 4Gbs of RAM more, or a low-end graphics card (like a Geforce Gt 610). Thanks for helping.

@Interestingworld4567 6 жыл бұрын

I miss this channel 😥😔😞😓

@snowbunniez4030 9 жыл бұрын

Yesh, having my toast toasted perfectly on both sides is my biggest concern with all this new technology!

@jeremyfahrni529 8 жыл бұрын

The 390X includes HBM memory too! And with both Nvidia and AMD going to HBM the Fury-X can only get stronger with each driver update. Something to think about. (GTX 770 owner about ta upgrade here)

@joeyrosenbaum6893 6 жыл бұрын

Ok when did Linus actually leave ncix. Cause I thought it was like 7 years ago

@NickPowersMusic 9 жыл бұрын

I need an interposer for my slickinwafer

@DomLang 9 жыл бұрын

Dude linus knocks over everything!

@complacentcitizen124 8 жыл бұрын

cant wait for hbm... im confused bout nvidias 1080 and hbm... linus, i want that toaster... we all deserve evenly toasted toast! :) love your vids guys keep it up!

@levoGAMES 8 жыл бұрын

What's so confusing about the 1080? :D It's GDDR5X memory is just buffed GDDR5, so no real tech difference. But Volta and Vega in 2017 will almost certainly utilize HBM2.0 memory.

@CelmorSmith 9 жыл бұрын

The R9 Fury X isn't the only card with HBM. There's also the R9 Fury now, you know...

@Shadow_Shinigami 9 жыл бұрын

2:46 It Should Be Its Over 8000!! That Is The Actual Dialogue

@qayyummalik7985 9 жыл бұрын

OMG..CAN I PLZ HAVE THOSE....plz I have always wanted the razer naga 😍😱🙏 P.s love this show and you people hosting it

@donotcare44 4 жыл бұрын

Linus, we need an update ... big Navi supposedly has HBM2e and HBM 3 is supposed to come out soon.

@PAINKILLER_SAMA 9 жыл бұрын

since it uses less surface area and stacked over the gpu itself, what about overheating problems?

@andrewcarroll8845 9 жыл бұрын

Wow perfectly cooked toast . My life is complete.

@TheRealFobican 5 жыл бұрын

Tell me, why is there no ram sticks with hbm to put in your pc instead of ddr4 memory yet?

@danw6877 7 жыл бұрын

@NCIX Tech Tips I have had two different AMD Fury owners online say that their HBM Memory Stacks I have pointed them to the Video with linus explaining that Vram does not stack can anyone confirm that this is the case and that HBM Vram does not stack or has something changed that I am unaware of.

@deneb_tm 9 жыл бұрын

This time on Techquickie...

@gameguy301 9 жыл бұрын

ill be waiting for the HBM toaster review

@pcgamingtoday5471 9 жыл бұрын

gameguy301 Funny thing is that might actually happen once hbm replaces normal ram because of the toasters that will connect to wifi and shit.

@jyacap 9 жыл бұрын

More clips for 'Drunk Linus 2'.

@fastcheetah9514 9 жыл бұрын

Being HBM faster, will PCIe 3.0 have some benefit from all this com pared to 2.0?

@justanity 9 жыл бұрын

Noice mate

@anonymousmatter1 11 ай бұрын

Linus is eternal

@Fr0sTy327 9 жыл бұрын

Seems like the logical next step in gpu tech.

@itsdeonlol 9 жыл бұрын

Linus is always breaking stuff! LOL

@Misteryman321 9 жыл бұрын

I'm going to save up and make Linus's Silterstone mini gaming rig with the Fury X :D

@damir1984 9 жыл бұрын

***** That seems to go along why AMD GPU do better at higher bandwidth demanding game settings at like 2K-4K resolutions and get close and edge out its competing GPUs.

@Misteryman321 9 жыл бұрын

lol, Wooo! got team red! we have a card that's finally dependable, we just need new drivers!

@ankit22sharma 9 жыл бұрын

Dat animation at 4:46 doe! :P Rekt xD

@pzelasko1956 9 жыл бұрын

invites linus over for a video, ruins the radiator on their fury x sample

@Goldcrest7 9 жыл бұрын

Paused at 0:53! Was not dissapointed xD

@IDontDoDrumCovers 8 жыл бұрын

isnt toast not even on both sides because, well at least with our toaster, when you push the thing down both toast slots go on, and each slot has its own heater on each side so theres 2 heaters in the middle so the side facing the middle gets hotter much faster, so if there was only 3 heaters vs 4 it would be both more power efficient it would also get it toasted even on both sides

@nilssab 9 жыл бұрын

think of when the consoles get HBM combined with unified memory.. by that time maybe we will be able to get 4k 60fps gaming on consoles.

@thaicheese 9 жыл бұрын

Does AMD hold the patent for HBM?

@shakirmehmed4297 9 жыл бұрын

Michael Yangmi 9(german)

@HaveYouTriedDuckTape 9 жыл бұрын

shakito lolo Why are they holding 9 germans? :-/

@EngineeringVignettes 9 жыл бұрын

Michael Yangmi Its a JEDEC standard, so likely they cannot protect everything with IP.

@redchris05 9 жыл бұрын

Acid Panda nah, they just didn't think of it, and now that the 4k results are showing what a boost it provides they are intent on making sure they were always going to include it on their _next_ cards, for sure...

@shakirmehmed4297 9 жыл бұрын

***** hell if i know XD

@PhunkBustA 4 жыл бұрын

whoa, blast from the past 🤣

@marloparlo8594 9 жыл бұрын

Won't cooling be an issue with the VRAM stacked vertically? I mean with GDDR5 every stack of memory could be cooled individually, in some cards even being taken care of by a special cutout in the heatsink. Will the memory heat up more when it's on top of another or is it so efficient that that's no concern?

@MrHoward888 9 жыл бұрын

***** Thats why the fury and furyx are VERY VERY hot cards.

@imjoeking_ 9 жыл бұрын

MrHoward888 Fury-X maxes out to around 50-60 c while the TITAN X and 980 TI is 84 c

@MrHoward888 9 жыл бұрын

dukethedj 50-60c while pump and fan are screaming near 3k. A water cooled card don't count.

@imjoeking_ 9 жыл бұрын

MrHoward888 Then why did you mention the fury x anyways? Besides, Toms Hardware got that temps with the fans at it's slowest speed.

@MrHoward888 9 жыл бұрын

dukethedj BS complete shit. I'd never believe that in a million fucking years. I done custom loops for awhile and that's a straight lie.

@Janenba 9 жыл бұрын

i cant wait to see performance of this vs Nvidia's DRAM stacks.

@SgtRomeo9 9 жыл бұрын

Will be interesting to see if AMD's new 15.7 Catalyst drivers will support Crossfire between a HBM and non HBM Graphics Card

@MrHoward888 9 жыл бұрын

SgtRomeo9 Nope

@orionstoy 9 жыл бұрын

SgtRomeo9 it has to be the same chip (architecture) .. a 290x and 390x will be able to crossfire but a 390x and a fury will not. lol basically AMD is just allowing the same cards to crossfire .. lol refresh/rebrands so basically its allowing the "same" card to crossfire

@Giohc16 9 жыл бұрын

What are the cons besides higher price?

@karolwojciechowski9139 9 жыл бұрын

Linus your eyebrows are connecting!!!

@JETWTF 7 жыл бұрын

Browsing these because I am bored in 2017... Watched this thing and am still wondering about the toaster toasting both sides equally toasty. Might try 2 GTX 480's or 2 Radeon's in SLI/Crossfire but skip a PCI slot between them and put your bread there.

@patricioderegil4830 9 жыл бұрын

I think its too early to see the real potential of this. But i would love to see amd to improve this.

@Winters989 9 жыл бұрын

That video description. lol

@therocinante3443 7 жыл бұрын

Future to this video - Vega.

@dunkanlord 9 жыл бұрын

maybe in close future cpu will get cache like this and will be no more need for standart ram? because we mostly need ram because cpu cache is so small

@brennansei8589 9 жыл бұрын

Ulvis Barkāns I doubt so, ramdisk are the fastest thing you can play/work on. We still have decades before the possible disappearance of ram. Pretty sure SSDs will dissapear before.

@pampers2610 9 жыл бұрын

For the motherboard I'm going to use in my build, there is only one color for all the ram slots. How will I install two ram cards into this mobo?

@imjoeking_ 9 жыл бұрын

Paradox Doge Look in the manual

@musharioh 9 жыл бұрын

oh come on Linus don't tell me I need to sell my 980ti to get the latest most advanced technology

@musharioh 9 жыл бұрын

zidan40o0 lol relax of course I'm

@hernes0071 9 жыл бұрын

Mush Rush ill pay you 50€ for it

@musharioh 9 жыл бұрын

Resa_R_S 55€ you got ur self a deal mr :p

@thefilmdirector1 9 жыл бұрын

Mush Rush amd innovates while intel and nvidia stagnate. always been this way. learn.

@MUNALOS1 9 жыл бұрын

***** the 980ti only performs better than the fury x at 1080p. And it STILL has not been fully unlocked in ccc to overclock so you have to wait for third party solutions to do so. In 1440p and 4k the fps are either the same or a few fps difference for either fury or 980ti. The fury was marketed as a 4k card, and in crossfire sees a 80 - 90% increase.. while nvidia sli only sees 60 - 70%.. To water cool a 980ti buying a hybrid, or doing custom you're looking at 800-900$ There's positives and negatives to both cards.