It's just another form of collectivism

I think the discussion got more interesting when the audience chimed in with their questions, before that it was just vacuousness.

Since Christopher Hitchens, he's the best.

K. DeBoer Such a great description of Douglas Murray.

It sort of sounds like instead of going so deep, he's going to sleep

@@HerneHunter Love It!

"just because a cat has kittens in the oven, doesn't make them biscuits"--old southern saying

Paraphrased here said by The Iron Duke (the Duke of Wellington), referencing the fact that he was born in Ireland.

@@GrowLLLTigeRRR He was baptised in St Michaels church Dublin. I have forgotten the Irish name for Michael. Something like Michan. I am English but have been inside this church and very interesting it was too. I have touched the font in which he was baptised. Also in there are relatives of Nelson's fancy woman. They're in coffins covered in dark red covers. The grave yard is full of Oscar Wiled's family. In the entrance to the church a an very old keyboard. Handel first played his water music in that church and also on that very keyboard. Unfortunately, the church was vandalised a few years ago. Probably by Catholics as that church was a protestant church.

@@richardsevern2973 The Duke is a distant relative. His grandfather dropped the surname I would have shared with him for the name Wesley in order to inherit property from a heir-less man of that name.

@@GrowLLLTigeRRR Have you been to that church?

That's too deep for leftists

Respect diversity. Remain diverse.

well, whites had better get organized. They are being swallowed up by the Empires of the people of grifting

Wrong.

@@HulseyTV < --- found the j6wtalian

Free Speech Advocate I'll have to check out your vids.

He says nothing when Yaron suggests we replace our laws with the Holy books of Ayn Rand instead of the Holy books of the Koran. Suggests that I need to be exterminated or my child endoctrinated against my will because I will not convert to his fundamentalist religion. Tell what is the difference between his extremism and Muslim extremism?

he realized they were a tiny dog barking loud....

It IS a HOLY book to you & him one you are both willing to burn me for heresy against once the brainwashing camp sorry re-education camp has failed.

Not my problem you both picked the greatest piece of shit Russian literature has produced for a holy book. I suggest you broaden your horizon and read Tolstoy, Dostoevsky then you'd understand why I don't want that piece of drivel.

+Kurtlane You are misunderstanding his point. He is saying there are many ways to be wrong, and there is only one way to be right. If I say "communism is bad", that doesn't tell you what is right. Is fascism right? Is the mixed economy right? Is capitalism right? You can't tell. If I say, capitalism is right, then there is no confusion. An easy analogy is I can say an electron doesn't way 1kg. I can also say an electron doesn't weigh 10 kg. That doesn't tell you what it actually weighs, which is what is important. You are conflating ethics and epistemology. Yaron is talking about epistemology. You are talking about ethics.

@@damonhage7451 , sorry, your post is over my head. I don't understand epistemogy, and as far as I know, I wasn't talking just ethics. My teacher used to mention a woman who had recently given birth and was nursing her baby. She said, "I am a Madonna. And a cow." This was an example of the full truth. Not just Madonna, not just cow, but both. Same here. But if he means, "We need to teach ALSO the positive," then I agree.

+Kurtlane No worries. Epistemology is just the term philosophers use to mean the branch of philosophies that study knowledge. You can mean positive in two ways. You can be positive as in "good for you, a value" when you are talking about ethics. If your country is overrun with crime, that is not positive. That is a value judgement for you. The other meaning is a "positive claim". Basically meaning "I assert that such and such is true", which you can see comes under epistemology because you are making a knowledge claim. When Yaron was talking about tell the positive, I believe he meant this second type. It is similar to saying it doesn't do you any good to have a political party that is "against the dems". You also have to stand for something. In other words, you have to assert something is true, make a positive claim. I'm not sure what you mean by your analogy though. haha

@@damonhage7451 , thanks, it's getting clearer, but I am still confused. Let's say one teaches about both the beauty of Spanish 16th century art and the brutality of Spanish 16th century colonialism. Both are educational, they are about giving knowledge to students, so this should be epistemology. At the same time, my value judgement is that it is good to teach both. So this is ethics too. Philosophy is so confusing.

They aren't opposites. You don't teach one or the other. For example, there should be moral teaching. You in some sense could call that both an epistemological and an ethical crossover. They come up at different tiers. Metaphysics is the study of what is existence/reality. Epistemology is how do know or acquire knowledge. Those two are the basic branches of any philosophy. From these two branches you derive ethics. For example, if your metaphysical position is "nothing exists", then ethics doesn't makes sense. You can't do anything because nothing exists. If your metaphysical position is reality exists, but we know it through faith/God, then you will have an ethics that say what you should do is whatever he commanded. So they aren't opposites. Ethics is derived from metaphysics and epistemology. And the concepts of purpose/values/reasons to do or not do something don't come up until ethics.

it's Murray's "foreign policy" that destabilised the middle east and created the refugee crisis, but he never talks about it I think he's weasel rat, just like Yaron

God save the Brits from themselves.

Thomas Simmons Fuck the Queen

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Bloody Douglas, he thinks and acts gorgeously. Cheers from Mexico.

That's the problem. Brits don't believe in God anymore.

@J OneLife They weren't. Stealing a patent, idea, or recipe doesn't make it your invention. The street lights you see all over the world were not invented by Whites. The lightbulb and cellphone you use, not invented by Whites. The Elevator, Ironing Board, Lawnmower, the Comb, Shoelaces, and potato chips you eat all were not invented by Whites, The first heart transplant was neither invented nor performed by Whites. Being in control is not ownership. Necessity is the mother of invention, people who live off of other peoples labor don't need to invent, they consume. I'm not saying that Whites didn't invent anything, but for you to say "almost all" is literally stretching the truth as far as it can go. Don't take my word for it, all of this is easily validated through just a bit of honest research.

@J OneLife Writing, paper, glass, mathematics, the calendar, pottery, medecine, surgery with metal implements, ALL AFRIKAN, I could go on , but suffice to say that I don't join in your tit-for-tat as competition, but to dispel your white supremacist NONSENSE, you have been LIED TO, so in that knowledge. I cannot deem you COMPLETELY at fault, you're just gullible and narcissistic! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/etFgZc6fvtaUqHU.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7-pga6Dsd-nep8.html

@J OneLife "The past 700 years we made most inventions"........WHAT ABSOLUTE NONSENSE! Europe was a poor backward DEAD END, until the renaissance! Look what AFRIKANS WERE DOING 9000 YEARS AGO! www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa/nabta-playa-and-ancient-astronomers-nubian-desert-002954 The Egyptians counted in binary 5000 years ago, it was only recovered in the West in the 20th Cent. There is NOTHING NEW under the sun.

James T - we are talking about facts & reality here, not Wakanda

@@jamestcatcato7132 lol the lied to calling others lied to. Truth is white people are the last skin tone to emerge. So for thousands of years you could have advanced and expounded on ideas. But instead warred enslaved pillaged ransacked. We white people learned all that stuff from you guys who were doing it a long time. You learned how to build civilizations from us. But do it wrong.

@deathstar islam is taking over slowly...

@@ZyroAniCapped Paranoid bollocks mate.

Islam & Christian is like oil and water it won't ever mix

@C. Michael don't think that comment is legal. Great though. .

Hardly Murray sounds/looks but isn't very intelligent not really.he is no scientist.

It's actually mass migration. But secondly yes, it is Islam. We can deal with Islam if we stop mass migration. Britain should remain at least 95% indigenous. Other countries like Turkey, India, Pakistan, Congo... They get to have their own people run their own country without being called racist for wanting it that way. That should be a blood right, not to be squeezed out of your largest cities by progressive agendas

What is killing western civilization, you ask? If the word "joos" isn't mentioned, you've lost the plot....

what's so bad about west being collapse...i guarantee many people would be much more happy

@@cillajendar4378 do you realise how lucky you are for the freedoms you have by living in the democratic west. What do you hope will follow if it does collapse. Islam? Communism? What? The grass is not always greener.

@@thruppenybit And the grass certainly isn't greener in the West!! I don't know why think it's only the West is democratic has freedom...I can assure you that there are places outside of the West that more democratic and more free than the West.

@@AlexJae30 name these countries .

Yes Alex, I believe Wakanda is such a utopia.

Yeah. Douglas is relatively sensible. Yaron comes across as extremely arrogant. Also, making life all about oneself and finding meaning in oneself can be a recipe for serious narcissism.

That’s because Douglas holds safe, conventional beliefs, while Yaron is a principled radical.

I can't stand either, it's Murray's "foreign policy" that destabilised the middle east and created the refugee crisis, but he never talks about it I think he's weasel rat, just like Yaron

Yeah, agree entirely. I didn't particularly enjoy listening to this. The question format didn't help and the discussions of any solutions was too abstract in my opinion.

Agreed, it's a format that's becoming mystifyingly popular and it's infuriating. It seems to be a way of politely ignoring crackpot questions but it comes at too great a cost to coherency and comprehension.

+Justin Barnard +trakrekkid The multiple question taking tactic was something developed to great effect by the Blair Government in the UK. It allowed whoever was being questioned to avoid all of the questions they didn't like, while then creating their own question to answer under the pretext that you have cleverly summarized them all, or that only the friendlier questions mattered. It works brilliantly for politicians but atrociously for those wanting an honest dialogue.

I always wondered if this was some arkane Robert's Rules thing the Brits were accustomed to since I'd never witnessed it until I started watching UK panels. I tried to find some value in it, but there seems to be nothing good except curtailing the chance for the questioner to respond to the answer, but I've even seen a moderator allow this amidst the jumble. Ask a question. Get an answer. Move on.

"we will take questions in bunches" are the most annoying 6 words after a talk ever !

She's a nicotine addict.

@@BhutanBluePoppy so was I but didn't wear make up or try to pretend I was sober.

Thank you for saying so. I thought it was just me who couldn't decipher her seemingly random words. I want her to do well and perhaps reading your note will give her feedback.

She is a woman.

Now she's in the House of Lords!

Marl Karx just up marl

oh how we have fallen.

@@albertrogers4130 Odd to see that you picked the greatest political disaster in British history for you avatar buddy. If you wanted Britain not to fall then you probably shouldn't be a fan of Churchill.

@@wireshrub Red pills? Nah mate. Black pills. We're fucked already.

@Laurie You have disrespected the most chad of all Anglos. Besides the only guys who are more based than Churchill is Enoch Powell and Sir Oswald Mosley if I had the profile picture of both of them, I would get banned from jewtube anyways.

Im Irish and proud of it. The English ruling class have done a lot of bad things in Ireland. But not to me, and my generation is far better off because of the English experience, as has practically every country that England has colonised. England got a lot of things right and should not yield their sovereignty to a bunch of Eurocrats.

No offense, but I looked up this quote attributed by you to Aristotle....and found that appears to be a fake. Shame, since I was looking forward to using it. Cheers.

It is not tolerance. It is a weakness.

@@nonnobissolum definitely not Aristotle using "apathy" or "weakness"

Yes ma'am

Fences not only keep our children safe within, but the wolves safely out...

Agree and when you lose that everything else starts to fall!

It’s called communism

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I heard a lot of rave reviews about Jared Diamond from people. I found his books exhausting and unimaginative.

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Thank you. This was the vital part that was missing in this discussion and continues to be left out in these types of conversations almost entirely. This is why people who speak this truth are hated, mocked, attacked, and not invited to speak. People fear the truth

FA People like you make others think western civilization is not worth saving.

cuz they dont know how to present content properly. they too busy lamenting about how ugly and cwass trump is.

If you are familiar with their philosophy, they don't owe you anything and that includes decent sound.

@@scarfhs1 youre an idiot. its not about owing, its about competence.

Lmaoo right. And I have to turn it down when an ad comes on.

I would respond to this comment, but instead I think I'll gather about seven more different comments together and then try to respond to them all at the same time.

One of the comments below says that Tony Blair popularized this format. So it's all Blair's fault.

@@doctorx0079 everything is B.Liars fault.

The problem is Yaron was not only saying what people should believe. He was talking about replacing the law system with one based on the Holy books of Ayn Rand, our laws are a set of moral rules and values. When people talk of changing morals they talk of law change. When they speak of educating they speak of endoctrinating.

Catholicism and Christianity are not the same... Although, Hollywood always portrays them as the same... Catholicism actually was at war with Christianity in Europe Centuries ago.

+Kurtlane Risking your life for your values is not a sacrifice. You think people who are self-interested won't defend themselves? No, the soldiers weren't sacrificing themselves. The point of being a soldier is not to die. The point of being a soldier is to defeat the enemy. Yes, you risk death, but that is not the purpose. Why do you have to be a sacrificial animal to have a cohesive army? I have no idea how your last part relates to Yaron. You think Yaron advocates allowing yourself to be exterminated? You obviously don't know anything about him or Objectivism. As for him being alive, no. He is most likely alive because a few people in the world decided to be self-interested enough to form a country based on freedom, that his native country to emulate.

@@damonhage7451 It's one of those objectivist wraparounds. What's clear to a child becomes obscure and contradictory once a philosophy like that gets hold of it. In Objectivism, Sacrifice becomes not sacrifice; in Communism equality becomes inequality, etc. No, thanks, I'll stick to the old definitions without wraparounds.

+Kurtlane I guess I don't see it that way. I like the way Objectivism gives rational definitions to the terms people use. It seems you are objecting to Objectivism's ethics on linguistic grounds, not conceptual grounds. Why? Why would you make sacrifice mean "to lose something" when you already have a word that describes that, "loss". It is useful to have a concept that describes giving something up and getting something more valuable to you (trade) and another concept to describe giving something up and getting something less valuable to you (sacrifice). If you don't like the word sacrifice for that concept, just call it "gloop" or some other nonsense word. There problem solved. Christian ethics demands that you gloop and that is irrational. You should have an ethics that never requires you to gloop. Just remember when Objectivists say sacrifice, they mean gloop. It isn't a trick to try to confuse you. When they say sacrifice they mean "give up something for something of lesser value to you". No trick, no game, no hidden meaning. They consider that to be the appropriate definition of the word. The people who use sacrifice to mean both lesser value and higher value are the ones trying to obfuscate. As for your reference to communism, that isn't linguistic argument really like your problem with sacrifice. Communists say that "taking these actions leads to equality", meaning a system where everyone lives happily in a big society with no private property. Those actions don't lead to that. That is a factual issue, not a linguistic one. As for its truth, communism created alot of equality. Many people were equally dead.

you have kinetic war on your mind? the death of the West is mainly in the domain of ideas !! get war off your mind ...any large scale war fought by humanity at this moment in time will result in the extermination of MANKIND...so calm yourself there

@@pepegoeth6814 , about 16 years ago professor Bernard Lewis, top specialist on Islamic history, said that Western Europe is doomed to turn Muslim. Thus was the first time someone who was not an Islamic extremist said it. No one believed him then. And now? The death of Western Europe is not just "in the domain of ideas." It's in every raped child, in halal food being required, in muezzins screaming call to prayer at 5 am, in mass prayers in the streets closing all traffic, in "Wear hijab or be raped" leaflets, in non-Muslims being beaten for being non-Muslims, in murders and in terror attacks, and in European governments covering up all that. It's all around you. In this case it is not about WWIII. It is about European people defending their daughters from being turned into sex slaves. And other such things. It is not about one country attacking another. Everywhere it's a local thing. So it has nothing to do with exterminating humanity. There are civil wars going on now, and nobody is predicting end of humanity because of it. I hate wars, particularly civil wars. But I don't see a peaceful way out, other than complete surrender. As Koran says, "War is required of you, even though you hate it. But Allah knows What's best for you, and you do not."

Christopher Atkinson You sir sound like a partier.. My rational self interest is to gt to know u better

I thought that bunch was behind all this. AYN RAND are u kidding?

​@@averayugen7802 What's wrong with that.

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He's one of the living humans with whom I most want to have a bourbon.

RageAgainstRustyCage islam

Yes, fear. Specially when combined, or carried by, tribalistic thought and discourse.

Am pretty sure what’s killing the society where I reside is the violent crime. No need to get too philosophical.

my asss, bull crap , gby yardin, anti freedom , dumb asss

it's Murray's "foreign policy" that destabilised the middle east and created the refugee crisis, but he never talks about it I think he's weasel rat, just like Yaron

I'll just push this comment. Good to hear. My 2 cents, un-PC. Islam is not a friend of Western civilisation nor values. We can't be force fed with medieval bollocks and alien proto-culture. Multi-culture is the lie of the century. It equals conflict and in the long run, believe it or not, segregation. The older one gets the less they want to look out for trouble at the neighbourhood, workplace etc.

Output your computer's sound to your audio system. It will be LOUD. And you can increase the treble. Or buy some powerful computer speakers.

I use that same exact d friedman quote all the time. Great man, great book, great quote

Great quote. Never heard of the book. As an avid reader, I'm always looking for the next book. I'll check it out,thanks.

Not very easy to answer compared to what? Bad Dum Tish. You reminded me of Sowell's old joke about the economist who runs into his old friend after years.

@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 how's the wife. Compared 2watt?

Did they remove Judaism? Hillel, Golden Rule, secret charitable giving, entertaining strangers, the ultimately devotional nature of all our rituals and daily actions? All that is from Judaism.

If he had lived some centuries ago, the inquisition would have killed him for being gay and they based their actions on christianity too

​@@averayugen7802 That's why we refer to our western civilization as "Judeo-Christian"...

Really atrocious! Chair destroyed the discussion with every interjection and interruption of the speakers and questioners.

They seemed to have rather severe time constraints. They should have booked the venue for twice as long.

Her ego and low intellect was getting in everyone's way.

The moderator was utter rubbish: agitated and rough as guts. And I really didn’t want to hear her opinions. She wasted valuable time with unnecessary interjections and asides.

>Yet he still blames “religion” for our desperate condition today. Leftism is religion applied to society. Leftists are explicit about that. Its equality before God brought bloodily down to Earth. And Christianity is radically increasing cultural and political influence. Leftism is becoming so intellectually impotent that even uneducated conservatives can identify its absurdities.

The War in Afghanistan that The USSR waged was a big issue in the collapse of the USSR. The USA's war in Afghanistan and Iraq is playing a huge role in the role The USA has been playing since WW2.

Yes

The only people who talk absolute nonsense are those like yourself who brand everything they don't agree with "Alt-right" because it saves having to look themselves in the mirror and thinking,

Damn right

A quite strange comment regarding democracy as Britain never encouraged democracy in any meaningful way in Hong Kong until it was handed back to the Chinese.

CaptainJayOT, what is very engineered? I’m unclear on exactly what you mean. Do you mean there’s been much engineering to prevent us knowing who we are?

CaptainJayOT, sorry, I mean how exactly has that been engineered? I’m curious about this idea

it's Murray's "foreign policy" that destabilised the middle east and created the refugee crisis, but he never talks about it I think he's weasel rat, just like Yaron

A group of philosophers (scattered across time and space) made it what it is.

No, but defining your terms when you use them is important when discussing them as a topic. Not everyone has the same definition of everything.

Nor do a bunch of self-hating, entitled middle-class empty-heads who don't know the difference between Pythagoras and Plato.

The moderator was appalling.

It's the internet. People can't afford sound engineers. They can't afford a lot of things. Just live with it. Or go listen to some other video. My only peeve is the people who in an effort to achieve a soft tone do not have a high enough volume. My laptop is not very loud and I do not want to use external speakers. If you make it too loud, the listener can always turn down the volume. But you can only turn it up so much with normal equipment. People who complain about robot voices bother me too. At least I can understand what they are saying, which is more than you can say for some people. I can adapt to and in my mind correct the robot reader mispronounciations. Maybe some people can't do that. If someone doesn't like the robot voice, well, find another video.

Poor stupid attention span deficit Georg.

Agree. I hate this question stacking format. Unfortunately, a lot of the talks are going this way.

She is on the moral maze alot

+OhMaDayzz Context is important. He probably has not thought much about the issue. FGM is practiced solely to prevent the pleasure of sexual activity, which on the face of it is immoral. As to circumcision, there is mixed research about it, and there is even some debate as to whether there is an impact on pleasure or not from it. That is relevant context. If a baby is born with a rotting arm, you don't call that baby arm mutilation because the doctors took it off. You have a gut biome. If the doctors kill off some bad bacteria with drugs, that is a physical act. That doesn't mean they are involved in baby stomach mutilation. The fact that a procedure was done does not by itself delegitimize the act from a rights perspective, and rights apply in a context.

FGM describes a wide range of practices, with many (or possibly most) of these practices being less invasive and damaging than male circumcision. Not all forms of FGM prevent sexual pleasure either. I would advise you to read this by an expert on the subject, and here he's writing about the prosecution of a Bohra physician for performing a procedure on a girl: blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2017/08/does-female-genital-mutilation-have-health-benefits-the-problem-with-medicalizing-morality/

Damon Hage The foreskin has more nerve endings than any other part of the penis combined. Its an ancient Jewish blood ritual done SPECIFICALLY to prevent sexual pleasure.

Damon Hage yes but I think you missed the point that was being made, if the circumcising was done for a purely medical reason you would be right, however the vast number of people who are do this are doing so only for religious reasons, that’s why it’s genital mutilation. Medical there are never rare cases where getting circumcised is required, none of which occur pre-puberty.

"however the vast number of people who are do this are doing so only for religious reasons" I don't believe that's true in the US, it may be in Europe.