Yeah I also “thought of this” and knew that there’s no way someone hadn’t thought of this already.

Same here. Reflecting on God omniscience and His omnipotence in relation to creation allowed me to reconcile many passages that didn't fit well within either Calvinism or Arminianism. Also, I was on track to be an engineer before the Lord called me into ministry. And my brother did become an engineering professor.

I found this Molinism way of thinking from listening to Frank Turek. It makes sense. I was not a science major but my husband is an engineer. Does that count??!! 🙂

Well stated. I totally agree!

because foreknowledge doesn't affect free will. God can present someone with a true free choice and know which they will choose at that exact time and in no way violate their free will to do so. think of it this way.. by giving loving freedom to my wife I have given her the choice to either choose only me or to cheat on me. she goes and takes a shower and I see her phone light up. she's been conversing with a man who shes planning on going to meet and cheat on me with when she gets out of the shower. I know what she is going to go do. I put the phone down exactly as it was and I do not give her any idea that I know what she is planning on doing. she goes and cheats on me. did my foreknowledge of her going to do this and her choice she's made to cheat on me affect her completely free choice to go and do it? this obviously isn't a perfect analogy however this was something I thought about when I was saved before I knew what molinism or arminianism or calvinism was and I'd like to hear if it helps you at all.

@@brandonkiplinger4961 Nobody has ever claimed that it is the foreknowledge itself that violates free will. But rather that foreknowledge (at least metaphysically-infallible foreknowledge) is impossible if one genuinely has more than one possible option in any given situation. If you can use your knowledge of a person to perfectly predict how they will act in any given situation., ten that implies that determinism is the case. Otherwise, the most you could do is figure out the probabilities of the various options.

@@fanghur not at all. if you affirm God's omniscience you can absolutely understand how he could know the free choice in each situation beforehand . it's shown throughout scripture with Abraham, Paul etc

@@fanghur youre limiting God to the knowledge of men

@@brandonkiplinger4961 No, I couldn’t. Because omnipotent and omniscient do not imply the ability to do things that are logically impossible. Indeterministic events are by their very nature unpredictable. Not merely epistemically, but also ontologically. No amount of knowledge of the present state of an indeterministic system is sufficient to perfectly predict how it will evolve. Best, you can only predict the ways that it *might* evolve.

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Amen! This is unbiblical and shouldn’t be recognized as okay God knows the end from the beginning and his counsel will stand his will comes to pass , he upholds governs and allows restrains and decrees all