As someone who does not adhere to New Covenant theology, I really appreciate your intro to this topic. A stellar way of preserving unity among Believers even in disagreement. God bless!

I fell in this system w out even knowing it

I love the way they tried to put Jesus in a particular box - Jesus would answer them with a question, would stay silent or answer the question in such a way that the religious factions would start arguing amongst themselves exposing their true hearts and intentions

pASTOR, I would like to help a little on that man's queston on the Sabbath at the end. I deal with hebrew Roots and the Black Israelite cults lik GMS< HOI, and SICARI along with 7th Day Adventists all the time in my evangelism. Keep in mind these things and it is easy. Colosaains 2 says that the Sabbath is a ceremonial law. It is NOT a moral law as the other 9 of the ten commandments are. If it were a moral law, you wouldn't keep it just one day a week. Some things in theology definitions are not always true jsut because some theologians in the past came up wiht certain terms. They called the Ten Commandments THE MORAL LAW. True for the 9 and the 9 we are told to continue to keep under the New Covenant, not FOR salvation but becase we ARE saved adn those laws are written in our hearts along with the toher commandments we were given under the new covenant like Go out nad preach the gospel. The word ORDINANCES in Colossians 2 in the Greek is ceremonial. I've been a Christian now and have done miniistry on and off for 38 years and never got that until about 3 months ago. Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Notice how Paul lumps the sabbath days in with other ceremonial things and NOT the ten commandments. Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Sabbath-keeping was a shadow of things to come. There was ONE Sabbath that was kept on SUNDAY. It was one fot he Feast Sabbaths. The Feast of Pentecost ont he 50th day. 7 x 7= 49 +1 (Sunday). What happened that day? The church was birthed and filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts chapter 2). In Branabas' epistle he calls the coming together on the Lord's Day (Sunday) the 8th day (7+1). The Holy Spirit gave me that same analogy before I read his epistle. 8 is the number for NEW beginnings in the Bible. As the Sabbath was the SIGN of the covenant for NATURAL ISRAEL under Moses and fleshly circumcision was done on the 8th day so is the circumcision of the heart now because the Lord was raised the 8th day (7+1) or the 1st day fo the week. YOu had to break the commandments under the Old testament law. If someone had a child and that child was to be brought under that covenant on the 8th day and the 8th day just happened to land on the Sabbath day, circumcision took precedence. The symbolism is uncannny when you start to get this. No Sabbath Keeper that tries to put you under other Mosaic Laws today can refute this. It's pride on their part. It's a cult today with millions going into it nad some converting to Judaism and leaving Christ. Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, here is that word ORDINANCES. Here is the Greek. G1379 δογματίζω dogmatizō dog-mat-id'-zo From G1378; to prescribe by statute, that is, (reflexively) to submit to ceremonial rule: - be subject to ordinances. Total KJV occurrences: 1 Jesus did away (CEASE IN DANIEL 9:27) with the ceremonial laws. That word there is SHABAT (Sabbath). Same princicple. Of course the modern day dispensationalists corrupted this text and turned Jesus into a 2000+ year later antichrist figure and teach works salvation also because of it. I guess dispensatonalism is heretical when you think about it. Anyhow, hope that helps you and anyone reading this.

I was raised Dispensational at Mcarthurs church but always felt a pull toward covenant theology. I could never get on board with either but knew I was post mil. This makes SOOO much sense of what I had always thought but couldn’t put a label on!

I found this very helpful

Actually, Dispensationalists would say that the major theme of scripture is the "GLORY OF GOD".

Very well done Doug Goodin

Anyone who knows the nature of covenants in the ancient near eastern culture agrees with the dichotomy between "covenant of grace" and "covenant of works." The suzerain-vassal covenant is a perfect example. Covenant theology is absolutely implied in Scripture.

I wouldnt call it a covenant but Paul preaches salvation by grace through faith in almost all of his writings. Far as Israel is concerned unless they repent and come to Jesus they are lost like any other human. Salvation isnt a team sport. We are individually resposible for our own salvation in my opinion. However the body of Christ is Israel.

Is NCT correct when it says that the church had no historical beginning until Pentecost? A: No, the NT uses the same word for ‘church’ as is used in the LXX for the OT saints, and Paul uses ‘sperm of Abraham’. Is NCT’s rejection of the three-fold covenant correct? A: No, the Eden narrative itself and Hos 6:7 tell us that there was a covenant in Adam; the framing of Eph 1 and Ps 89 tell us about the covenant of redemption; and the gracious covenant with Abraham is explicitly described as the basis for God’s work with Moses (Exo 2:24, Deut 29:13) and for the new covenant (Luke 2). Is NCT’s rejection of the tertius usus legis correct? A: No, not only does Paul tell us that the new covenant believer obeys the law from the heart (Rom 6:17), he tells us that it must be used rightly (that it’s laid down for the lawless “in accordance with the gospel”), he describes the law as holy, just and good, and he resolves disputes using it. More than that, God promises that the laws of God will be in heart of new covenant believers (Jer 31). Indeed, Abraham is the great weakness of NCT - how was he saved? Most NCT proponents want to say ‘by faith in the Messiah’, but this implies a unity of covenants, which is exactly what NCT can’t have. Either Abraham’s covenant is the basis for the new (but then the new is not totally new but an administration of another covenant [and Moses’ with it]), or the NC is totally new (but then Abraham is not saved in the same way). Indeed, the difference is between promise or substance: if Abraham‘s salvation in Christ was substantive and not just proleptic, then we’re talking about unity of covenants ‘administrating’ the covenant of grace. If it was proleptic, then it follows that there was a different method of salvation - almost like a down payment ‘towards’ Christ but not truly paid ‘in’ Christ.

Excellent. How can you tell a NCT preacher as compared with a “Reformed” guy??? No beard.

32:40 - Not "If" but "When", I believe.

Covenant is gracious and is conditional.

The eternal life offered to Adam was not in obedience, or a covenant, but in eating the Tree of Life. He never did and then finally was restricted from entering the garden lest he eat of the Tree of Life and live forever.

At 51:22 you mention the "Law of Christ" being covered in one of your lessons. Do you have a link to this either on video or in text form to read?!

Thanks for this lecture. At 53:00 you talk about how because Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth, nations that want to be obedient to God should model their laws on the Law of Christ, not the Law of Moses. I agree. What do you call this view? New Covenant Theonomy? Blessings!

If Adam and Eve believed God would send a redeemer, via the promise of Genesis 3:15, were they not saved by faith according to the eternal purpose of God in Christ established before the foundations of the world (Eph. 1:4)? In other words by a covenant (a binding or establishing an relationship between two parties) of grace agreed upon within the Godhead?

@ 22:53 I would say your assertion that “new covenant theology is all about Christ” and the other two are implied to not believe that, is a disingenuous assertion. I was raised dispensation, and believed all of scripture, every page, every word, was pointing to Christ. I’m currently covenantal, and deeply believe the same, even more than I did before. I look forward to your clarification of this “distinction” which appears to not be distinct at all, as I continue watching.

Where would not wearing clothes of multiple fabric fall into the three categories?

Part 3 _____________________________________________________________________________ Than there is the rapture of the church , the secret coming of Jesus. According to most church interpretation, Jesus is going to come back in secret and rapture the church and leave the un-saved to give them another chance at salvation and than come back again later for his judgement day of-"The Day Of The LORD". Lets look at this. John 5:29- Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out - those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment Daniel 12:2 - "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. Matthew 25:31-46- “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Sounds like every one will be rapture into judgement, the save and the unsave. What about Matthew 24:40-41? Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Is this about the rapture of the church? No, we most take all into contexts. Matthew 24: 36-41 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Who are they that was taken away- The ones outside of the the ark. The ones who are taken are the ones being taken into judgement, not being rapture into the LORD'S kingdom. ______________________________________________________________________________ Through out the Bible, scriptures symbolize disaster and destruction upon nations by such expressions as these: the sun shall go down, sun darkened, light darkened in the heavens, no light in the heavens, the moon shall not give her light, stars shall fall, stars darkened, cloudy day, dark at noon day, no brightness, darkness, etc. While such language was probably more common to ancient times, yet it is not uncommon for us even today to use expressions which are comparable. When a person comes to see some truth or fact clearly, for example, we might say that he saw the “light.” A person that is intelligent is spoken of as being “bright.” Those who are considered outstanding in the entertainment field are called “stars” - movie stars, television stars, recording stars, etc. On the American flag, each state is symbolized by a star. Policemen commonly wear badges which include the star symbol - representative of their authority as policeman. Soldiers receive star shaped medals which symbolize outstanding service. We might describe the future as being “bright” if referring to good days ahead; or the future might be described as being “dark” if days of trouble are being described. We commonly speak of the Middle Ages as the “Dark Ages”, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOD's warning judgement on Israel through out the Old Testament Leviticus 26:18 - If also after these things you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. Leviticus 26:21- If then, you act with hostility against Me and are unwilling to obey Me, I will increase the plague on you seven times according to your sins. 'I will let loose among you the beasts of the field, which will bereave you of your children and destroy your cattle and reduce your number so that your roads lie deserted.… Leviticus 26:28 - then I will act with wrathful hostility against you, and I, even I, will punish you seven times for your sins. 'Further, you will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters you will eat.… Does seven seals, seven trumpets, and seven bowls ring a bell? How should we understand Revelation is that, it is a revealing of the new covenant and the end to the old covenant. It is a book that places Jesus at the center of GOD's plan of his reconciliation with man. It is not so much a book of prophetic but a book of poetry. When people had read this at the end of the 1st centery and the beginning of the 2nd centery, they was able to tie the old testament with the new, and the old covenant with the new. They was to understand GOD's over all plan for his people. It is about two types of Kingdoms - the old Jerusalem that is called Babylon which is our worldly kingdom than the new Jerusalem out of Heaven, which is GOD's kingdom that had replace the old . One is under the old covenant the other is now under the new. You have a woman who is a mother of harlots (under the old covenant) and a woman clothed with the sun (under the new covenant). One is being judge by old covenant while the other is being reconciliation by the new covenant.

Most doesn't like the new covenant of Christ because he abolished work in law like Sabbath and food laws etc. He set us from law so we could at peace in Christ. People won't believe that Jesus is our according to Matthew 11:28-30.

What do you do with these verses? ‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:8‬ ‭KJV‬ [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, When I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: And how it's used in cotext with Jesus being the mediator of this covenant in heaven.

Part 2 Revelation chapter 1 starts out with the letters to the 7 churches of Asia, what is modern day Turkey of what going to happen to them and their strong and weak points. He than says "for the time is at hand" which can be said in this generation, not 2000 plus years later. Rev. 1:7- Behold, he cometh with the clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they that pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth shall mourn over him. Even so, Amen. From this we see that some of the generation who had crucify Jesus will still be living at the time of the letters to the seven churches and what shortly will take place. Some people will say no, clearly this is the time of Jesus second coming because he is coming back on the clouds. We need to read scripture in the light of scripture. Clouds was a representation of GOD's judgment. In Isaiah 19:1- The prophecy against Egypt: See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The ideal to convey to the reader is of Egypt tremble before the LORD, and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear when judgement was poured out on them. There fore we need to interpret Rev. 1:7 to the same way as Isaiah 19:1. The LORD did not come down on clouds where they could see him, but his action of judgement did come down for all to see. Revelation must not be taken literal but interpretive. How do we know this? Because Rev. 1:19-20 say so. Rev. 1:19-20 Write therefore the things which thou sawest, and the things which are, and the things which shall come to pass hereafter; the mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks are seven churches. Through out Revelation you have the angel interpreting a mystery of some kind for us. In Revelation 20, should we take one thousand years literal?, the answer is no. The other books in the Bible has it not being literal. We need to read scripture in the light of scripture. Psalm 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, And the cattle upon a thousand hills. Does God own the cows only on a 1000 hills only. Dose he not own the cows in the valley too? Deuteronomy 5:10 -but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. Dose this mean that the 1001st generation will not be loved by God? The answer is no. This would not be in GOD's corrector. Psalm 105:8- He remembers his covenant forever, the promise he made, for a thousand generations. Does this mean the 1001st generation are cut off? The answer is no. Thousand means a number that no one can count. Like 144,000 is 12 times 12 -repersent 12 tribes of Isreal (old testament saints) and 12 apostals repersents new testaments saints times a number that can not be counted. Than you have the mark on the hand and the head, Some will say this is clearly a chip implant in modern times. The Greek word used for "mark" is charagma. It was the technical term for the Roman imperial stamp that appeared on various documents. The charagma was a seal stamped with the name and date of the emperor and attached to commercial documents. Apparently, it also stood for the empea god labeled themselves with tattoos to designate their loyal devotion. ror’s head stamped on coins. Thus, the charagma represented the likeness or name of the emperor. For tax purpose you could not sell goods unless you have the mark. The charagma was also a type of brand. In Roman times, disobedient slaves were often branded with marks of ownership, much like cattle are today. Religious tattooing was also widespread. Soldiers had a custom of branding themselves with the name of a favorite general. Devotees of

full preterism dovetails with NCT very well IMHO

I definitely believe covenant theology is correct 💯

Pre hearing comment. In recent years I've discovered that covenants mostly addressed Israel so therefore, skip large portions or history. Therefore, to get the rest other "dividing of Scripture" was a great help to answering questions not related to Israel. These divisions may be characterized by literal vs. figurative or addressed specifically to members of the "body of Christ" or to mankind in general but not as covenants, instead by dispensations quite evident with Jesus' repeated phrases in the Gospels, "..But Isay unto you that ..." and by parables about "new" vs. "old" garments or wine, or .... So BOTH distinctives serve their purposes in illuminating the scholar.

When I read the title, I assumed it would be John piper

NCT is the only true and fully backed by scripture theology. Other theological backgrounds use catechisms.

I’m so confused… they don’t believe in a literal tribulation period?

In your comments, you mentioned covenant theology, not going all the way back to Adam as he works covenant, but it does go to Moses. Here’s my question I believe in genesis six be an angels from heaven, which corrupted the world that Noah and his family escaped after that you had the tower of babel where God confused mankind, and divided them up to the sons of God, in Deuteronomy, 32 with the new covenant of Jesus in acts, the Holy Spirit gave mankind tongues

If you say the sabath is not in New Testament. Hebrews 4:9???

God may not have a long term plan for political Israel, but on a temporary basis, He may indeed regather them to their own land, and then convert them to Christ, as it says in Ezekiel 36. First comes the regathering, then the conversion, and they are to dwell in the land, in peace, forever.

Anyone who is a1689 Reformed Baptist Covenant theologian is chomping at the bit listening to this, because he never says anything about this view. He only goes after Westminster Covenant Theology.

It’s content like this, that, to me, clearly shows how God has been created in our image. In a world filled with people with all sorts of imagination, we would expect to see vastly different theologies. However, in a world that had an actual maximally everything deity, I would expect to see way more cohesiveness across humanity. Fascinating how deep people will go into filling gaps of ignorance.

He thinks he's proving his point by saying Jesus did not say the Ten Commandments are the greatest Law, but to love God and your neighbors is the greatest Law. That actually supports the continuation of the Ten Commandments because how do you love God? The first four commandments. How do you love your neighbor? The last six commandments. The Law says to love. Love who? God and man. How? The Ten Commandments.

"Admittedly simplistic and reductionist overview of these two systems...." I'm guessing that EVERYONE that responded with line after line after line of, "....well ACTUALLY ...." and burned up hours with your little fingers typing....forgot he said that.

So.. Covenant theology think the central motif of the Bible is God covenants... Dispensational think the central motif is dispensations , but New covenant think the central theme throughout scripture is Jesus Christ??? Someone tell me what's wrong with that statement... I bet that if you asked RC Sproul and John McArthur what the central theme of the Bible is, they'd say it was Jesus too! Just like any true Christian. I can't even begin to think of how you think that's a fair comment. But it sure does make NCT the hero doesn't it? Logic anyone?

Does New Covenant theology believe in eternal security of the genuinely born again believer in Christ , not to be confused with the false confessor or the one who simply flirted with Christianity ? .

The New Covenant, Or A Partially New Covenant Scripture defining the “New Covenant”, a New Covenant in New Jerusalem! Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: (A time when both are rejoined together as “One in the Messiah”, because you can’t have these things described without “UNITY”.) Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, says the LORD: (We ALL are guilty (Rom. 3:23) and are unable to keep His commandments perfectly) Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. (We don’t have His laws written in our hearts by Him now, and we don’t even fully understand all His laws today) Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. (We still need teachers, and the scriptures are clear on that fact. The least to the greatest don’t fully know Him. How can we be forgiven of sins we as a people, those living and yet to be born, haven’t yet committed? We must “Repent”! When does He “remember our sins NO MORE”? “He remembers their sins no more” is in a future time and place, because He knows our continued sinning today.) Jer 31:38 Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that the city shall be built to the LORD from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner. Jer 31:39 And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath. Jer 31:40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more forever. (This is “New Jerusalem”, the place of the “New Covenant”!) The “Old Covenant” hasn’t vanished away! Heb 8:13 In that he says, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away. (But the “Old Covenant” hasn’t disappeared yet, we are all still under it.) Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, (Have we been made perfect? We will be!) Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaks better things than that of Abel. (When we will be “reconciled” (Mediator = Reconciler) by Him in His Kingdom on earth, New Jerusalem.) Same thing written in Jeremiah! Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, says the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. PROOF! The very next chapter: Jer 32:37 Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely: Jer 32:38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God: Jer 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me forever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: Jer 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me. (Anytime we sin we, “Depart from Him”) We either have a “New Covenant”, or we don’t! He didn’t say, “I’m giving you TODAY a “Partial Covenant”!

We really need to be careful not to "throw out the baptized baby with the bathwater"

I’ve believed in dispensations for over 30 years and fully believe that everything in the Bible is about Christ and is there to point to Christ. Saying that “Dispensationalists” (I hate using these terms) believe that the central theme of the Bible is “ God’s dealing with man through various dispensations” is very incorrect. I’ve never known anyone who believes in dispensations that didn’t believe that Christ wasn’t the central theme of the Bible.

Pastor John Barnett has a very detailed and explanatory lecture on the differences between Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism. He also covers New Covenant Theology which still misses the mark Biblically. His channel is DBTM and the video name is “Dispensationalism vs. Covenant Theology” it’s from 8-yrs ago. The main difference is one allegorize verses (removing their meaning) and one takes it literal unless told otherwise by the Bible. Because the Bible interprets the Bible, not man. 2 Peter 1:20-21🎚️

Rom 7:1 the law has dominion over a man as long as he liveth. Rom 7:4 says I died to the law by the body of Christ. Since I am crucified with Christ I’m dead and am no longer under the law I have a higher Law of love in Christ.

Rejoice rest He rose again, the good news ⚘ 🌚 👍 okay bye

So much minutia, nitpicking, ultra detailing of every possible aspect of even each word when Jesus simply said, "Allow the children to come to me for such is the kingdom of heaven" - seems one needs to have knowledge equivalent to a Master's degree in perfect theological hermeneutic else you're going to end up as devil fodder. Wow, such a terrifying religion if you get the slightest detail wrong, and all this time I thought all I needed to know & do was to "Love God with all my energy & being, and love my neighbor" Someone should warn all those poor children...

It was possible for Adam to have never sinned, and all other covenants and dispensations would never happen. These "what if" questions tend to be misleading. God knows the end from the beginning. He was neither surprised by the sin of Adam nor by the rejection of Christ. To ask "what if" either had not happened is sophistry.

Even now you have to obey to receive the blessings, but salvation is by grace through faith, as it always was. Israel knew the law didn't save them. They knew faith in the promise of the coming Messiah was their salvation. Also, it seems like you agree a lot with covenant theology and dispensational theology but you disagree with the terms. I get it, but it seems like a non issue if Jesus is the theme of scripture for the New Covenanters. It's stuff like this that divide believers for nothing.

Paul was talking about the talmud being a curse. Not the torah. Torah still stands

New Covenant? LAW = TORAH 1) Have we been caused or made to obey (“do them”) the Law (Torah) without being taught. No! This implies observing the Torah perfectly without ever learning what the Torah says. (Ezek. 36:26-27) 2) Where He says, “I will remember their sins no more”, has this happened? No! There are the “Books” in Revelation recording all our works (Good and Evil) that “every man” will be judged by. (Rev. 20:12-13) 3) Has the Messiah’s city (The New Jerusalem) come down from heaven to remain forever? No! 4)Are we required to TEACH? YES! Men still must and do teach. 5) Jesus is the New Testament, the blood that was shed for the remission of sins, “the fulfillment of the Old Covenant”, and the only “Testament” (By a death) that was acceptable to the Father. Not a New Covenant, but the better Testament (Promise). The New Covenant is a covenant of eternal peace, and our future hope, received when we accept by perfect faith the “Better Promise (Fulfillment) of the Law”.

I believe, based upon a literal interpretation of Zechariah ch's 10 & 11, that the house of Joseph, to whose sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, was given, both, the birthright AND the blessing that Jacob received from the Angel (which contains the name 'Israel'), that the future return, scattering, and second return of Ephraim to Lebanon and Gilead began with the New Covenant with Israel which with the re-creation of the nation of Israel. The Old Covenant became obsolete when the chief priests broke the priestal covenant with God by declaring "We have no king but Caesar". From that moment on, no sinner among the Jews could obtain atonement by animal sacrifice. Fortunately, Jesus had set up the New Covenant with His disciples the night before. Then, He, on the cross, drank the fruit of the vine- consummating the beginning the New Covenant with the words "Forgive them, for they know not what they do". This appeal gained grace for the children of Israel- both, those who were near AND those were far away. In this, Jesus obtained grace for the children of Israel who, at that time, remained as refugees in Judah and those who remained scattered, as "not God's people" exiled among the gentiles. Thus the exile of 10 tribes of Israel was ended, and Christ sent His disciples to the nations with that good news for them.

The New Covenant Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: The house of Judah and Israel isn’t walking together in unity to receive a New Covenant at this time. Without teachers and understanding the Hebrew language, and their customs, the law would be very difficult for anyone to learn, and HE states He puts them in us and writes them on our hearts. Who today knows the Torah (Law/Commandments) without study and memorization, and even then doesn’t fully know the Law (Torah) or keep it perfectly. Also we have scripture telling us to “study to show ourselves approved unto God…, and that wouldn’t be necessary if He has put His Law/Commandments in our inward parts and written them in our hearts. Without the written law I wouldn’t know what sin was (1 Jn. 3:4). I believe that’s why Jesus said: Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled (Jot and tittle are a reference to the written law). The written law will be dissolved, along with the old heaven and earth, where after this event God will put His Spirit/Law in our inward parts and write them in our hearts, making “all things new”. Therefore there will be no more the need of teachers. As Ezekiel says: Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you (To make you) to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. We will perfectly obey God’s law because they will be a part of us in our glorified bodies, and in His perfect and eternal kingdom! Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts (HE puts it there), and write it in their hearts (HE writes it in their hearts); and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more (No more teachers) every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. (See Rev. 21:27) Does anyone believe that God doesn’t remember our sins on earth right now? Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. New Covenant has the City of David, City of our God, “New Jerusalem” (Rev. 21:9-27) Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD. Jer 31:38 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the city shall be built to the LORD from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner. Jer 31:39 And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath. Jer 31:40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever (New Jerusalem). Did Jesus say He was establishing a New Covenant with Judah and Israel upon His death? No New Covenant is only mentioned 3 times in the N.T., and only in the book of Hebrews, and once again it states “behold the days come” (Heb. 8:8), and Hebrews was written years after the death of our Messiah. All of Revelation 21 speaks about the New Covenant Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new (New Covenant placed within our New bodies, and on a New heaven and earth, and in the New Jerusalem). And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. If we say we are in the New Covenant now, than that would say His old covenant was flawed, when it wasn’t, the “fault” was with “them”. Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Whether one believes we are in the New Covenant or the Old Covenant we are to still to obey the Law of our God (The Torah; commandments given to ALL HIS PEOPLE in the Torah). The Levitical Priesthood and sacrifices ended with our Lord and Savior at the CROSS! The Way to salvation has never changed! Those before Jesus looked to the “Finished work of the cross” (Final Sacrifice), and we are looking back at the cross, the Sacrifice made for our salvation through the “Blood Covenant”! A TRUE FOLLOWER OF JESUS CHRIST DOES ALL THAT HE COMMANDED!!! Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat (The weekly reading of the Torah every Sabbath): Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

I would not waste my time in “attacking”brothers and sisters in Christ . The divisions mentioned are not a denial of the whole law only convenient divisions. Adam was gifted life in the garden. The covenant of grace is seen in Jesus. I fail to see why you see yourself as superior because you only use scriptural terms. Calvin himself had a different view on the sabbath. It’s spiritual and symbolic pointing to the rest or cessation from the work of the 6 days. I find this very disturbing as it comes across as very critical of our oneness in Christ.

He needs to read and obey Jesus' words in Matthew 5, where Jesus says anyone who does not obey the Law (of Moses) and teaches others not to obey it will be considered the least in the kingdom of heaven. That's exactly describing NCT, and they're proud of it for some reason.

Please receive the following from a postion of grace: Your treatment of dispensationalism was fine, but your treatment of covenant theology was deficient to be quite frank. I understand that time constraints do not permit for a full treatment of covenant theology, but you make wild and unfounded assumptions about covenant theology as a whole that are not even accurate, i.e., what the moral law is, the Sabbath, that the covenant of grace must start at the proto-evangelion or else covenant theology falls apart as a system, etc. Your statement about the COG beginning at Gen. 3:15 may be accurate about a presbyterian form of covenant theology, but not from a reformed baptist federal position. You fail to address covenant theology from the position of the 1689 2nd London BCF which would tear your strongest arguments to shreds independent from the WCF. Let me ask you something: when a NCT adherent instructs others to repent, from what specific sins does he/she ask them to repent?

I was stunned how far off he is in describing basic dispensationalism. Across the spectrum of dispensationalists they agree the overall goal is the glory of God and salvation had been, is and always will be by grace thorough faith and not as he described. For understanding dispensationalism read Ryrie's book Dispensationalism and erase how he describes it. Very disappointing he did this.

Replacement theology. In a nut shell.

C'mon. You can't find the concepts of the covenant of works and the covenant of grace in the Bible? You need to pay better attention then. It's right in front of your face. Adamic Covenant: if you eat the fruit, then you die. Noahic Covenant: if you murder, then you die. Mosaic Covenant: if you break these laws, then you die. Abrahamic Covenant: God unconditionally promised to bless Abraham by having the Messiah and salvation come from his line. Davidic Covenant: God unconditionally promised to bless David by having the Messiah and the kingdom come from his line. New Covenant: God unconditionally promised to regenerate, forgive, adopt, indwell, and sanctify His people in Jesus Christ. I see a trend there. All covenants either demand obedience and threaten death, or they unconditionally promise salvation. That sounds like the concepts of the covenant of works and the covenant of grace to me.

Satan was saved eternaly until he decided to sin so all Gods creatures are in a covenant of works for an eternity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wrong. The law is now written on ur heart

Jesus is the central motif of Scripture. This is not unique to New Covenant Theology. This is agreed upon by both of the other systems.

You're just saying. "we Interpret the central message of the Bible. In so doing, we dismiss the Kingdom for the Jews." Branches on the vine. Fuggedaboudit. Nevermind why Jesus and the apostles were Nazerenes (except for one of them.) Hint-- the Marriage Covenant. Their tradition was unique among all Israel. But, you nevermind it. Whoever is up front does all the interpreting for everybody.... The Bible could mean certain Jews, left handed Texans, or Canadians. No literal meaning necessary. Get rid of that. And those inconvenient Prophecies, WOOF!!

There is nothing new under the sun…

Covenant theology misses the mark in scripture badly

Someone inform this goon that the way you love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength is by the first 4 of the 10 commandments, and the way you love your neighbor as yourself is by the latter 6 of the 10 commandments. He has no clue.

There were 2 covenants with Abraham, or rather one with Abram and one with Abraham. One conditional, which Abraham kept in his obedience regarding Isaac, with physical results: national Israel. Another unconditional where God as a smoking furnace walked through the slain animals, which is fulfilled in Abraham's spiritual descendants. This conflating of the 2 different Abramic/Abrahamic covenants causes much difficulty to all systems. Now I COMPLETELY agree that to divide up the law into 3 pieces.