🎹What is Polyphony on a Digital Piano?🎹

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In this video, Stu Harrison of Merriam Pianos explains what polyphony is, and why you may want to pay attention to it. A pretty high number of digital piano buyers aren’t 100% sure what the specification actually refers to, so we hope this clears it up!
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What is Polyphony:
Polyphony literally means multi-tonal...and in the case of digital pianos, it refers to the number of tones that the piano can sound at once. If two keys are played at once, that’s a polyphony of “2”. If 5 notes are played, that’s a polyphony of 5. So the maximum polyphony is the maximum notes that can be played at once.
Since we only have 10 fingers to play the piano with, the need for greater polyphony is driven by the use of a sustain pedal, sounds that have longer release times, or layered sound.
A good example would be a piano+strings layer...a very common pairing on digital pianos. Strings have an extremely long release time compared with pianos (when you let go of the note, the sound starts decaying, and takes 1-2 seconds to completely be silenced). So if you were to play a large stacked chord using the sustain pedal, and also play some sustained scalar runs on top of that at the same time, a max polyphony of 64 could easily be hit.
Add a third layer, or have the scalar patterns played throughout the whole range of the instrument with the sustain pedal down, and you might even start to test the 128 polyphony limit.
What happens when you run out of Polyphony?
When that max limit is crossed, the instrument will usually mute the oldest note which isn’t still actively being played on a key. It just goes silent. For casual playing, this is unlikely to cause problems if the instrument has 64 polyphony (or around that range). However, if you are doing any recording, using rhythms, playing back a 16-track MIDI file (Format 1) or even just using layers in some kind of performance, and there are going to be noticeable gaps in the playing, or even critical tones may be missing altogether.
For example, I’ve been in situations where a crash cymbal or bass drum kick on a major bar line was simply not played because I’d maxed out the polyphony, causing me to have to redo the sequence to free up some bandwidth on the tone engine.
Recommendations
If most of what you’ll be doing is ‘piano only’, then 128 max polyphony is going to be enough for your needs. If you could see yourself getting into layering with rhythms on a regular basis, getting something closer to the 192 or 256 would be preferable if the model selection and budget allows for it.
Good luck with your shopping!
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@marshallfischer3667
@marshallfischer3667 3 жыл бұрын
I got turned onto this channel starting to do research picking out a digital piano for my son, now it's one of my favorite channels...
@revanthshahukaru7883
@revanthshahukaru7883 4 жыл бұрын
This channel is really underrated...
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 жыл бұрын
We're getting there :)
@darrickkeels6387
@darrickkeels6387 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed it is!
@shemardavis8735
@shemardavis8735 Жыл бұрын
Highly underrated!!!
@romanoholeguy9785
@romanoholeguy9785 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot from Uruguay. I'm a piano teacher and this video is really good as a way to learn about polyphony.
@plektosgaming
@plektosgaming 3 жыл бұрын
One thing to note is that every function is another number added. This applies to stereo as well. So a stereo sound is 2 notes per key, or basically for 128 note polypony in stereo, that's 64 notes. 64 notes sounds like a lot but consider: You mix the piano sound with another sound. This is common layering, be it reverb, a Leslie organ effect for electric organ, chorus, or a simple blend, like adding in orchestra/strings. That nets you 32 notes with a layered sound at once. Suddenly that's running into a potential problem with some pieces. 192 is better, but 256 would be the minimum for a worksation, imo.
@shura1972mar
@shura1972mar 27 күн бұрын
Not agree. The samples usually in stereo already, and one voice of polyphony is also producing stereo. Reverb, chorus, etc is not using polyphony voices, as it is postproduction processing. The effects processing uses the dedicated computing resource. Layering - yes, when we need to play piano and strings simultaneously in one note, then it is using two voices. But I agree with fact, that the complexity of contemporary piano synthesys may require several samples per note, especially in simulating resonances and overtones, which enrich the sound and bring it closer to natural. But this fact is significantly moves the meaning of the concept of polyphony itself. When we want to play 90 notes at the same time (open pedal), and the first of them suddenly die out in an instrument with 192-voice polyphony, it should not be called 192-voice polyphony. This is already kind of a marketing term than real polyphony. With the same success, manufacturers can write the number of transistors in the processor. More is better, but the actual polyphony is unknown. They should call it like "192 synthesys channels" that provides "up to 192-simple-voice polyphony", but the best and complex voices will get "around 60-voice polyphony", for example. It would be fair.
@thiagofacful
@thiagofacful 3 жыл бұрын
Nice explanation. Thx a lot!
@jan-jelleras5602
@jan-jelleras5602 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining this subject!
@anthonyfoden9382
@anthonyfoden9382 2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou very much for your extemely clear explanation.
@vanialopes170
@vanialopes170 2 жыл бұрын
Please keep posting these videos they are really helpful
@mupbelchen010701
@mupbelchen010701 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, Stu. Very well and understandable! Thank you.
@HedgehogStudios1
@HedgehogStudios1 3 жыл бұрын
I already knew what polyphony was, but I still learned new stuff from this video.
@lapa88
@lapa88 2 жыл бұрын
This is so helpful! Thank you!
@JS45678
@JS45678 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the BEST instructional video on Polyphony, I actually understand it now! 📝🤓🤚
@ramonrivera7888
@ramonrivera7888 Жыл бұрын
Tremendous explanation!! Thanks!! 👍👍
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Thanks for tuning in! :)
@xiongbarai4957
@xiongbarai4957 2 жыл бұрын
thank You for your explanation about it.
@tekchambedamala4709
@tekchambedamala4709 Жыл бұрын
Thnk q... It's such a nice detail explaination
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Glad you enjoyed it! :)
@melelasike123
@melelasike123 3 жыл бұрын
thank you for helping me to understand Polyphony!! Choosing a digital and wondered what the heck does that big P.. word mean. Simplified and understandable! Thanx
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 3 жыл бұрын
We're happy we could help! Thanks for watching -LP
@sky-icebeats8997
@sky-icebeats8997 4 жыл бұрын
I swear god i v watched about 11 video bdefor i trust yours and absolutly you are the only one that got me 🙏❤
@befrankpls
@befrankpls 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very very informative
@holygremlin7007
@holygremlin7007 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't understand a lick of what you were trying to convey but the tutorial was so good I just watched the whole thing anyway.
@martyhenderson1995
@martyhenderson1995 9 ай бұрын
Very well explained now I get a better understanding of polyphony
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 9 ай бұрын
We are very happy to hear that! Thanks for watching! :)
@amitsonik35
@amitsonik35 3 жыл бұрын
Really helpful indeed.....
@andresvazquez09
@andresvazquez09 11 ай бұрын
Really helpful thank you 🙏🏼
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 11 ай бұрын
You're very welcome! We're glad to hear that you found the video helpful. :)
@havenofear7033
@havenofear7033 7 ай бұрын
NICE JOB!
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! :)
@edraven7511
@edraven7511 4 жыл бұрын
That was an amazing description. I am going to be buying a keyboard in the next day or 2 and am considering the Yamaha P-125 vs. the Williams Rhapsody. I played the accordion as a child and took some piano lessons about 20 years ago, but honestly forgot everything that I learned. I am now 64 years old. I believe the Rhapsody has a polyphony of 64 and the Yamaha 128. The Rhapsody comes with the stand and bench and is about $100 cheaper. I was leaning that way until watching your video. I was wondering if you could share your opinion with me on the 2 of these digital pianos? Thank you so much and have a great day. Ed
@yourmeowness7514
@yourmeowness7514 Ай бұрын
have a nice musical journey with the keyboard
@bedoinuk
@bedoinuk 3 жыл бұрын
Do I understand correctly that for playing a piano alone 96 or even 64 notes polyphony should be fine and if the keyboard offers Bluetooth MIDI compatibility and you run out of the (built-in) polyphony, you can just "offload it" to a computer?
@raygreenfield5814
@raygreenfield5814 2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. That said, I have a question. As best I can find, the brand new Roland FP-30X has a new chip & 256 polyphony, but the relatively new Roland RD-88 has little to no information on its chip or polyphony. The little I could find said 128, but that wasn't all that convincing an article. Can you elaborate on this topic ? It seems like the RD-88 would need more processing power and polyphony to work through all those scenes on-board. Thank you for your time & also the great videos.
@danielpeter8351
@danielpeter8351 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review! I turned myself down from the yamaha p45 and bought an alesis retical pro bc of the polyphones. I was like, OK first learn how to play it, then save money for a higher price piano/digital piano.
@infonet3349
@infonet3349 4 жыл бұрын
Great lesson, thx;) I need to buy piano, what do you thing: casio pxs1000 (192 polyphony) or yamaha clavinova clp320 with 128 poliphony will be sounds better?
@JitinMisra
@JitinMisra 4 жыл бұрын
Love this video!! I want to know what are your thoughts on vst? I feel like no matter what , the onboard sounds are more well integrated and though you can’t here latency, you can feel the difference , no? Or is it not noticeable for you with the right setup?
@KainniaK
@KainniaK Жыл бұрын
The latency between hitting a key on a real piano and hearing the sound back is about 80 ms. If you want to play a VST like keyscape on a good midi controller and get the feel like you are playing a real piano, the less latency the better but in general anything under 25 to 30 ms is playable. Once you go to down below 10 or 5 ms you won't be able to notice it anymore. latency through a computer system is 100% based on CPU power, the more you have the faster your can process and the lower your latency. Even a 2010 laptop with a build in sound card running ASIO4all can achieve under 5 ms of latency on a VST like keyscape.
@mohamadmotamed7511
@mohamadmotamed7511 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you ❤️
@susanramen1615
@susanramen1615 4 ай бұрын
Awesome video
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! We're glad you enjoyed it! :)
@mountainview-yj7bu
@mountainview-yj7bu 3 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 3 ай бұрын
You're welcome!
@user-tr3hi7sf4q
@user-tr3hi7sf4q 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@KIsaac-wp5dq
@KIsaac-wp5dq 4 жыл бұрын
Please help me which one should I buy roland fp30 or roland a88 mk2 ? Which one has more polyphony ? Thank you .
@meals24u
@meals24u 2 жыл бұрын
Ok so what about buying an older Digital Piano like a Kawai CN21 from like 2007, that has only 98 polyphony? Would you still consider that a good option to buy or would age alone steer you away as a nice beginner piano?
@KIsaac-wp5dq
@KIsaac-wp5dq 4 жыл бұрын
What would be the polyphony of midi controller? Can we increase polyphony of midi controller ?
@swilhelm3180
@swilhelm3180 2 жыл бұрын
If you are running your digital output via MIDI or USB to your computer, does the keyboard still control the polyphony or is it controlled by the interface or samples chosen?
@PiyanistKeremBey
@PiyanistKeremBey 4 жыл бұрын
Roland RP302 maximum polyphony 128. Yamaha and Kawai's max. polyphony 192. Accordingly should I not take roland? KAWAİ CN17 ROLAND RP302 YAMAHA YDP 164
@albertelazar4069
@albertelazar4069 4 жыл бұрын
Piano Polyphony is it like sort of a shot buffer on a digital camera?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's a good way to think of it. In the broadest sense, polyphony is the 'bandwidth' that the processor has to produce individual simultaneous events. In many ways it's becoming an out-dated way of measuring tone though, because of how often sounds are multi-timbral (meaning that each sound is actually made up of component sounds). Piano A uses only a sample (single tonal component) with a polyphony of 256. Piano B uses a 4-part multitimbral synthesized tone and has a polyphony of 64. By one perspective, both engines are doing the same thing. By another, the 64 looks woefully inadequate (even though it's a far more complex tone).
@haroldkindelan4513
@haroldkindelan4513 3 жыл бұрын
Wowwwww, thanks a lottttttttt.
@yodjjc1710
@yodjjc1710 3 жыл бұрын
Why do you remind me of Ben from Parks and Rec? Lol thank you for the explanation though!
@marsfong28
@marsfong28 5 ай бұрын
thanks!
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 5 ай бұрын
You're welcome! :)
@MrPhpass
@MrPhpass 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have e review of a Kawai CN 24 (discontinued) ?
@mehdiamirzadeh4097
@mehdiamirzadeh4097 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the explanation. What do you think about 64 polyphony on a device like Yamaha P145? Is it enough for a kid to go from 8 years old to 18?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 3 ай бұрын
It will be sufficient for most beginner and early intermediate playing, but there may eventually be some limitations with it depending on the repertoire that is being played.
@donbelisario8811
@donbelisario8811 2 жыл бұрын
Can a VST override (increase) the digital piano polyphony?
@manwell001
@manwell001 4 жыл бұрын
Nice explanation 🙏... and lovely blue jeans anyway 🙈!!!
@Ankoasty
@Ankoasty Жыл бұрын
Thanks!!!!
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Thank you for tuning in! :)
@ozsen4056
@ozsen4056 2 жыл бұрын
i hava a piano with 91 polifony . is it good ?
@foreverseethe
@foreverseethe Жыл бұрын
'Monophonic' or what you called 'monophony' is useful if a player usually does fast soloing. uphony.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! A lot of early synths and synth lead playing utilized monophony effectively! Bands like Emerson, Lake & Palmer come to mind! :)
@adrianmay_multiinstrumentalist
@adrianmay_multiinstrumentalist 3 жыл бұрын
Polyphony lesson aside, your phrasing, attack, and tone are exceptional.
@kanan5467
@kanan5467 3 жыл бұрын
So I have two questions. Can you add more polyphonies using daws, like for example digital piano that has 64-note polyphony. Can daw change it into 120+? If so what kind of software or softwares are able to do that?
@odealianaffairs9001
@odealianaffairs9001 2 жыл бұрын
Same question here, did you figure it out?
@kanan5467
@kanan5467 2 жыл бұрын
@@odealianaffairs9001 Still haven't, although I think DAWs generally have more polyphony/power. I think the only limit to using a daw is how powerful is your pc to handle it rather than having limited polyphony. But, I still don't know the program he used in the video that can control how many polyphonys the midi controller/digital piano can play.
@liamtb4947
@liamtb4947 Жыл бұрын
Is the break at @5:30 from a song ?? I loved that lol
@liamtb4947
@liamtb4947 Жыл бұрын
@5:20 *
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
I am not sure to be honest! I would have to ask Stu! It may very well be improvised as well. ;)
@mokshamalhotra2332
@mokshamalhotra2332 3 жыл бұрын
Good
@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854
@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854 4 жыл бұрын
64 polyphony for 450 dollars isn't that bad and isn't that good, but it is good enough for solo playing, I have experienced that on Casio CDP-s350. I think under 500 dollar is entry level for practicing piano is acceptable, with Scaled hammer Keyboard II make big difference.
@FranciscoRuiz500
@FranciscoRuiz500 2 жыл бұрын
A couple weeks ago I ran a test on my very new CDP-S350: pedal down, dual layers, hit the low A and then all of the other keys (I use a 4-foot construction ruler). Result: the low A is still ringing, so the polyphony appears to be 2x88 = 176, not 64. How do they do that? I suspect the polyphony is actually way higher than claimed, or that they upped it with recent firmware, since the newly announced CDP-S360 has a (claimed) polyphony of 128, but uses the same sound engine as the S350.
@Fabi_1987
@Fabi_1987 2 жыл бұрын
@@FranciscoRuiz500 Hey, i´m thinking about buying the CDP-S350...my only concern is that the 64 polyphony isn't enough...are you saying i don't need to worry about that? What do you think of the keyboard in general... are you satisfied?
@FranciscoRuiz500
@FranciscoRuiz500 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fabi_1987 After two months with it, very satisfied. Beautiful sounds, nice action. Speakers may be a bit weak, I think, but I only use it with headphones. I must add I got it on sale for $100 off. If it's not on sale you'll be better off with the CDP-S360, which replaces the S350 for essentially the same price, and has bluetooth and a claimed 128-note polyphony. The S360 was announced soon after I bought mine so I was thinking of returning it and wait for the better keyboard, and this is why I did this test. I could not manage to exhaust the polyphony of the S350 no matter how hard I tried.
@Fabi_1987
@Fabi_1987 2 жыл бұрын
@@FranciscoRuiz500 ok, thank you very much
@FranciscoRuiz500
@FranciscoRuiz500 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidedmunds Sorry, but I don't have a S360. The S350 cannot do what you want.
@justinlinden4689
@justinlinden4689 4 жыл бұрын
Do you recommended any piano/keyboard for under $200
@J4ve
@J4ve 3 жыл бұрын
Casio CT-X700
@ryukosaur9751
@ryukosaur9751 3 жыл бұрын
Is 48 bad for a beginner or what is recommended?
@JS45678
@JS45678 3 жыл бұрын
Not bad at all and you’ll likely never come close to needing more than that in your first several years of piano.
@kanan5467
@kanan5467 3 жыл бұрын
In complex pieces like Moonlight Sonata 3rd Movement, are 64-notes enough?
@TengchakRMarak
@TengchakRMarak 4 жыл бұрын
What about the polyphony of Roland rd88? Cannot find it..
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 жыл бұрын
That's because there isn't an adequate way to represent it in a single number. There are three separate tone engines, each with different polyphony, and in certain combinations the polyphony changes wildly. So they could give a range, but it prob wouldn't be helpful. And not every tone engine processes the multi-timbral sounds the same either...in some cases they're samples, some cases it's not. In most settings it seems like it ranges between 128 - 192, with certain combo sounds dipping below 128, and certain solo sounds prob being in the 256 range.
@TengchakRMarak
@TengchakRMarak 4 жыл бұрын
@@MerriamPianos thank you very much for the reply.. I had no idea how things worked..
@divisionbreak
@divisionbreak 3 жыл бұрын
5:20 👍🏼
@pisderata
@pisderata 2 жыл бұрын
is 48 enough?
@thiagoandrade1825
@thiagoandrade1825 Жыл бұрын
If you are using your digital piano plugged into the midi with a VST plugin, who is responsible for generating this polophony is the computer or the piano?
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
Hi there! It would be the VST plugin itself, not the piano. :)
@thiagoandrade1825
@thiagoandrade1825 Жыл бұрын
@@MerriamPianos Thanks!
@katakuri7461
@katakuri7461 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter, we can still play Rondo Alla Turca with 10 polyphony.
@shyamolisarkar
@shyamolisarkar 4 жыл бұрын
👌
@pulgmaz4564
@pulgmaz4564 4 жыл бұрын
Is 32 decent? (Yamaha PSS A-50)
@pianohelper8873
@pianohelper8873 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah.
@balladin9200
@balladin9200 3 жыл бұрын
Unless you’re pretty good and you’re playing a crazy piece you should be fine.
@shura1972mar
@shura1972mar 27 күн бұрын
Manufacturers have changed the meaning of the concept of polyphony. We have the real "88-voice polyphony" on 88-key acoustic piano. But on electronic piano with 192-voice "polyphony" we may find a limit of about 60 or 90 notes sounding simultaneously. So why call it polyphony, explaining this discrepancy by multi-layered synthesis? Call it "192 synthesis channels", providing up to 192 simple voices, and up to 60 (90) "most complex ones like piano". Marketing won't allow it...
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 27 күн бұрын
I understand your sentiments and points completely. It is a bit confusing and not something that is very explicitly defined or discussed by any manufacturer. If we have the opportunity to pass along the feedback to our suppliers, we certainly will. :)
@Reckless_one
@Reckless_one 2 жыл бұрын
Da =davinci resolve
@benjtheo414
@benjtheo414 3 жыл бұрын
1:40 thank me later
@kentGrey
@kentGrey Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Thanks for tuning in! :)
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