Very good point Jerry.

Which is why I don't recommend lennox.

Do you know that there’s a recall for Carrier (also Bryant, Payne, Day and Night) heat exchanger for models built b/w 2002 to 2012. The faulty design caused pin holes formation and leaking of carbon monoxide into the system. There was a class action lawsuit against Carrier for that, but they continued to make the same product until 2014, even now, problem still exists

Fyi Payne, Day and night are Carrier products.

Yep, mine was installed in 1975 in a new build house. Sold the house in 2020 and it was still going strong. Payne has not been a pain at all.

My Rheem is from the 80's & still running, but not very efficient. I just ordered a new Amana & AC that my HVAC installs. A "silver system". Hope it's good.

the repair guys will tell you to buy the crappy units

I like Rheem furnaces but I installed a Goodman due to better pricing and better parts availability. Trane parts are expensive and hard to get if you don’t have a license. I don’t like high efficiency furnaces of any brand.

i was given a damage goodman 3 ton gas pack for free, its work great for 8 years. only i cap to be replace for 10 dollars yes i broke and need to re do my ducts

My Amana 90 air command 93 AFUE is 21 years old in 2023 and it has had a few things happen over the years but nothing I couldn't fix myself and I buy all my parts either local or online....Has been really easy to work on and I have had some great Ameren bills for the last 21 years.....My next furnace will be a Amana/Goodman which ever installer has the better price.

I have never liked Carrier equipment. There are a lot of Carrier heat exchanger replacement videos on KZfaq. Carrier high efficiency furnaces seemed to fail most often.

Your response is quite comical since you have no idea what you are even talking about. First off, it is Goodman, and I have no idea what an induction heater here that could leak water after two years. So that's out... And btw, Goodman is owned and built by Daikin/Amana, which happens to be the largest manufacture in the world. Then you say Bryant is a terrible furnace because of the computer problems and heat exchanger cracking! And then you give Kudo to Carrier who actually makes and owns Bryant and is item for the item the exact system. It is even close than Chevy/GMC because they are made in the same factory and just have different color enamel paint. So you seriously have no clue what you are talking about. If anything, Bryant in the better unit as it is about 15% less expensive for the same exact part numbers, part for part. Just look at their websites, they offer the same equipment. And Carrier Global which is the largest manufacturer in the United States, also owns ICP which is basically the spin-off of Carrier line called Payne. And let me remind you, they make Bryant, yet you say Carrier is the best and is the same exact product. You are probably thinking of Lennox as a leaker because they are the winner there. And Trane and American Standard is far from being the best brand unless you mean the most expensive to buy and repair. They certainly win in that category. As a technician in the field, I work on a lot of equipment and there is no brand that is perfect or even close. The problem is a lot of them get their parts from the same manufacture in the Pacific Rim from the same factory. That is why I replace all my capacitors, contractors, and fans with units made in the United States. I do not believe any brand is 100% made in America, but maybe some day!! If you want to know about all the other brands, just respond and I will continue. Some of the other brands are decent, I was just straightening you out.

Labor cost the same no matter what part you’re replacing.

I like it!

The flame sensor is dirty or bypasses the limit switch it is open mode one of these will be the problem. The limit switch is probably staying open so the igniter won't ignite. Clean the flame sensor with fine steel wool and clean it off with paper towel. Should be good to go.

yikes, my Lennox G71MPP will be 15 yrs old this July! Did they honor the heat exchanger warranty?

@@joshlasceski I ended up replacing the furnace. You have to remove the furnace to replace the heat exchanger so labor kills any warranty for the part. If they don't have the part, they offer you a discount on a new unit. I went with American Standard S9V2

Flames rolled out when the blower came on. CO detector never went off.

Dang sorry to hear that.

we Had a 18.5 SEER (3ton) installed on our roof & experienced sound/vibration issues for 12 months, during which our installer did everything, EVERYTHING that was suggested on the internet to fix the issue. Now they are offering to replace the unit with a Lennox or Rheem, and we are really dubious-is it the unit or the installer, or both 🤪

Thanks for the input Garth!

International Comfort Products makes Day & Night. Carrier (Payne) just happens to own a majority share in ICP, a subsidiary of Carrier. Tough to say they are the same though. Do you agree?

Parts are the same. I have installed their 80% gas furnace from Payne and day & night. And I found no difference at all

When heat exchanger is cracked.

@@5822huron thank you sir. About how long are the life cycle? I know, but... I'm in New England and keep the heat on 70

@@danaringquist9730 what kind of furnace? Give me more info

@@danaringquist9730 it doesn't matter what you keep the heat set at.

@@5822huron its a York, can't find the model though..

Have a Lennox now. Only 10yrs old. On my second board now.

@@Kiddro22 what failed the board? Would the furnace not come on? Because my blower motor wont come on and my first thought was the board but now I think it's a dead module

@@jvirg it would give out error codes. I would correct them and try to clear the codes. But they wouldn’t clear(1st red flag). The furnace would try to cycle back to back but wouldn’t go into soft lock out mode(2nd red flag). So I replaced the board and she fired right up. It may be a back surge or something. This is the second board I’ve replaced.

@@Kiddro22 it was the board. I had also ordered a blower motor just in case and I'm going to keep it because it's brand new and I got it for super cheap. I think you are right about surges and I'm looking at getting surge protection Mars 83905 or whole house. The only problem with getting whole house is I may have to upgrade my old panel and don't have the money atm.

@@jvirg glad it helped. I was looking into that surge protector myself. But like you say contractors prices are through the roof now for work.

He wants to put one of these newer ones in because they’re not made like the one you have. As far as longevity

Keep that up until someone shows you proof of a failed heat exchanger

For the furnace surge protector what did you use? I see there is one called zebra that goes from the board to the ecm module but there is also a Mars 83905 surge protector for the entire furnace. I'm not sure which one would be better? Probably the one for the entire furnace. But looking at other people take on this?

@@jvirg Intermatic AG3000….. the Mars is comparable and would work as well.

Coleman, York, and Lennox manufactured fairly good equipment back in the 80’s. York’s reputation was ruined by the microchannel coil design which is prone to leaking. I hear that Lennox has evaporator coil leaks and other quality issues.

@@picklerix6162 In my area if I get an appointment for a failed furnace, AC, or HP and the house is maybe 10 years old, it's almost always a York or Coleman. I have a photo album on my work iPad labeled dead Coleman's and York's. Lol. It's that bad around me. It could be bad installations. We cover about a 75 mile radius and I see the same thing all over this area. It's the same for older homes with 8 to 12 year old Coleman and York equipment too.

FOR SURE. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO HVAC. THE MANUFACTURER WHO DESIGNS A TRULLY "PLUG AND PLAY" SYSTEM THAT IS EASY TO WORK ON AND COMPONENT BASE WILL RULE.

I just know as a technician, I have to repair them less than the other brands out there. It could be the way they test their equipment, the consistency in their build process ( Ive been to the factory. Its very consistent they whole way through the build). The sheet metal they use, the components, control boards, all just seem to have higher standard of build than others Ive worked on.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m9uRjLKDyLyrg6c.html Heat exchangers fail due to a lack of airflow and manufacture defect. Goodan does not have a great reputation at all amongst my peers. Some people sell it because they can get it super cheap and sell it for a better margin. Wish i could see your setup. I could get you a better answer.

I have a Goodman 96% efficient furnace that is now 7 years old. The only problem so far is a gas valve that failed just shy of five years, but was under warranty, so no out of pocket expenses so far. I replaced it myself. It was a $100.00 part. I heard that Goodman had troubles with heat exchanger failure when exposed to chlorine (from bleach fumes in laundry/utility rooms.) Mine uses outside combustion air so it shouldn't be a problem.

they had to fed gov rules