The path was not his path, the path was humanity’s path to escape a genetic predisposition to follow others.

Seeing this comment makes me roll my eyes. I'm so sick and tired of that 14 billions different futures and only 1 bulkshit. There are infinite futures and therfore an infinite number of ways of them winning in Avengers. What a stupid f*cking movie.

@@QuietGuitaristfan it means he saw 14 billion of those infinite futures, not that there are only 14 billion

I think you're probably right. I read Dune way back in the late ' 60s. Even then, I expected more of a "happily ever after" follow up. It took several readings of the series for me to get past Paul and his family and see what else Herbert was saying.

I think you're right. Just like wheel of time would never make it

Paul story makes for a good movie he rest not really

Well, if the sequels keep earning more money, they will keep doing the movies

That’s actually explained, Bene Gesserit training is a process that prepares it members for the spice agony, which would allow them to obtain access to those memories. As by this point they would posses established memories. However Alia didn’t receive the opportunity to cultivate a feminine identity that would allow her to adjust to safe feminine identify. She wasn’t given the freedom to develop a feminine ego that would filter out the male egos. It’s why all pre-born are killed, because the strongest personality typically win out and dominate the female body. This is mentioned multiple times that women not trained are more susceptible to possession. It’s why the bene gesserits have a policy of kill on site regarding the possessed and why very few of their members become reverend mothers. Not to mention it’s been mentioned before on how they possessed a history of dealing with abominations and made the decision through experimentation that due to fact that there exist both male and female components towards the domination of the child’s mind. You must also consider each identity has unique experiences that allows them to operate unpredictably that the witches cannot control, which is why they despise them deeply.

They're the same thing. Paul might not be able to see it clearly yet but, he's obviously already terrified of becoming the kind of tyrant that finally teaches humanity to stop handing over their free will to "messiahs" (AI's, Kwizatz Haderachs, local warlords, etc...). The Golden Path is humanity being painfully forced to grow up instead of looking for new daddy figures to protect them from reality. It's important to remember that Dune is set in the future of OUR universe and that all of the old religions, and ideologies have almost wiped out humanity multiple times.

Oh wow, I've never even heard of these books, but I'll definitely check them out, thank you!

@@Internetrando I love, love, love Whipping Star (which comes first) - Dosadi Experiment not as much (it is the sequel). I had to order both books from Tor Publishers - I think they are printed on demand. I've read Whipping Star about fifty times - I wish he had been able to do more world building in this particular universe.

These are some of his best

I also liked The Santaroga Barrier... Really, all of Herbert's bibliography is worth reading.

@@LongDefiant I haven't heard of the Santaroga Barrier! I am going to try to source it. Thanks.

Eventually, yes. The humans were already at an advantage with Leto II having destroyed Synchrony and Norma Cenva destroying the machine evermind Omnius. When the machine Erasmus and Duncan Idaho finally have a confrontation, it's Duncan who says that truly ending Kralizec requires more than just annihilating the other side, and Erasmus agrees to join minds. Duncan becomes this human with a machine mind, and then accompanies Erasmus to their death.

Yeah, I scoured the books and never found a satisfying answer as to why a 3000 year tyranny was a necessary condition for the golden path, and the accounts from historians and other characters don't seem sure either. To teach them a lesson...? I often wonder what was in Frank's outline for book 7, and how much Brian added himself. Frank does lay the groundwork for a lot of future events in the earlier books to give us some clues, but I guess we'll never really know.

Any suffering is worth it if you can rid yourself of tyrant prescience influences. To really be free, we must give up gods and godheads.

People must begin to HATE gods and domineering leaders in order to get rid of them for good and all.

Siona, and her genetic heritage, was the purpose.

Let to mentions that Ixian Hunter seekers would have wiped out humanity if it weren’t for him….that is one possible fate.

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