I would say poor Papal decisions....

The Roman Catholic Church itself was born from schism when they left the Orthodox Church in 1054​@@pskarnaq73

At least they haven't caved on homosexuality like the Roman Catholic Church. How schismatic was that poor pastoral decision by the Pope?

​​@@nathannorris900we haven't yet seen the full measure of _that..._ 😳

​@@nathannorris900yeah. That one was really bad. Like i could understand what the Pope was trying to do and i do believe there was some good in his document but the wording of it and how it was declared without consultation with the rest of the Catholic world left a sour taste to a lot of people.

What’s next, a national Japanese or Chinese Catholic Church?

Yes, National Nordic Catholic, please!

@anthonybarnes1903 Chinese already exists as Cardinal Zen showed, a Japanese one would actually be cool though

@@longiusaescius2537An example should be taken from the Eastern Orthodox Church which has had difficulty disciplining the national church idea. I am EO, don’t accept the papal claims of “immediate and universal jurisdiction,” and oppose the papal pretensions of the so-called Ecumenical Patriarch. But, condemned as it is, ethnic-phylitism as a heresy is rather rampant amongst the churches. There’s no easy solution, but there is a simple one: the Gospel itself. I’d rather see the papacy reformed according to Tradition, actual ruling synods restored, and the pope subject to general councils and his brother patriarchs than the Roman Church divided into national enclaves. Just my insignificant view!

Arn't they Lutherans?

He recounted that history in the video. 😀

Would sound nice to go to a Catholic Church that isn’t actually Roman Catholic and doesn’t hold the dirty past of the medieval church as well as papal controversy.

I’d love to learn more about this. What rite is used?

@@traceyedson9652 I unfortunately do not have specific information, but NCC favours old forms of the Roman Rite, so believe the parishes that joined ROCOR have them too, perhaps Sarum Use.

I wish there were more support among Eastern Orthodox for the western rite, which is every bit as valid an expression of ancient Christian worship as the Byzantine rite. I'd love to see the PNCC join us, but be able to retain their own traditions.

There are actually two Mariavite Churches, one is Nicene in theology and the other one is not to say the least.

I realize you're probably not a theologian or an apologist, but would you be able to answer this question I have? I know that St. Mary is held to be a perpetual virgin by the PNCC, but is it a dogma (like her status as Mother of God), or is it something that one can reach a different conclusion on and remain in good standing (like the PNCC's view of original sin)?

Completely serious question, not facetious: why aren't you Orthodox if you're so similar?

@@jessefoutz597 hi! so the perpetual virginity of Mary is held as dogma in the PNCC since it was affirmed at the 5th ecumenical council. "Fifth Ecumenical Council - II Constantinople A.D. 553 - The Capitula of the Council: VI “If anyone shall not call in a true acceptation, but only in a false acceptation, the holy, glorious, and ever-virgin Mary, the Mother of God ... let him be anathema" (this quote comes from the Eastern Diocese's website). Hope this answers your question!

@@ivc3092 that's a great question. tbh, i actually plan on jumping ship eventually to either Rome or the Orthodox after discerning which holds the best claim to being the one true Church. however, right now, i'm using my Old Catholic heritage as a way to unite Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Christians on my college campus. i'm not catholic or orthodox enough to be rejected on face by protestant groups, i'm not protestant or orthodox enough to be rejected by catholic groups, and i'm not protestant or catholic enough to be rejected on face by orthodox groups. this has been useful in bringing good faith dialogue to campus when there was little before (albeit it did also lead to me and my gf breaking up since she does no consider non-protestants to be Christian :'), but it's a sacrifice i'm willing to make for God)

@@jatar6605 See, that's interesting, though, because the anathema is on those who fake calling the BVM the Mother of God, not who deny that she is ever-virgin. The council calls her that a few times, but it's always in passing and not the topic of the anathema. I'll have to read the Eastern Diocese's statement, I think.

PNCC is basically USA & Canada only. I doubt if they have any presence in Poland, if yes, it is minimal. Regarding Mariavites - it is minuscule sect, but quite interesting theologically. :P

​@@Hadar1991There's a connection to other Old Catholics in Europe. Such as Bishop Mikovsky has met with the Nordic Catholic Church.

@@jeffkardosjr.3825 I don't argue with that. What I meant is that Polish National Catholic Church operates outside of Poland (as far I checked they don't have any parish in Poland). In Poland there exist Polish-Catholic Church of the Republic of Poland but as far I checked it is still part of Union of Utrecht.

@@Hadar1991 They have presence in Poland, but (as you rightly suspect) it's marginal.

@@Hadar1991 Well for a long time the PNCC was cut off from Poland. Poland was split between the German and Russian empires, so there wasn't a Polish state beyond a title the Russian Emperor claimed. The US closed immigration with WW1. Poland shortly reestablished. Occupied again. And then the Polish Peoples Republic which probably wasn't very interested in religion.

Have you ever heard of the Fraternite Notre Dame?

Rebaptism isn't a thing unless you somehow didn't get baptized in the name of the trinity.

Yes I would also like to know more about these denominations.

oh man, they are really interesting (not to mentioned Hussite history), I am polish and read only few articles about them. I would love that kind of a video

Visit an SSPX Church some time.

@@konchkonchkonch6540 The Lefebvrian Mass is not licit and therefore should not be attended by any Catholic.

@@GR65330this isn’t a Catholic channel.

​@@GR65330AFAIK people are allowed attend as long as it isn't out of protest against the Pope.

​@@GR65330it's literally just the traditional Mass it has nothing to do with archbishop lefeve.

So they left the Church over lust and went to a false church that would cater to their sins. Why does that sound familiar? *flashbacks of anglican and lutheran cults*

The English language Wikipedia claims he's "Old Catholic". But many Wikipedia pages are wrong it seems. I'm an Anglican and I haven't heard of news one way or the other about his new status of ordination other than that he is a priest now rather than a deacon.

@@jeffkardosjr.3825he was ordained in the Nordic Catholic Church after the Free Church of England agreed to release him. The NCC is the European branch of the Union of Scranton bringing him into union with the Old Catholics

So much similarity that Fr. Calvin Robinson came to the NCC from the Free Church of England!

I''m sorry, but your last sentence is factually incorrect. The OCA was simply the Russian Orthodox Church in America. It became autocephalous in 1924 because Patriarch Tikhon was under arrest and couldn't properly administer the Church, especially outside of Russia. The Ruthenian Catholics became the American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese.

@aLadNamedNathan those are two separate autochephalous communions the O.C.A. (Orthodox Church in America) which has its origins in the original poster described and is under the Elpidophoros. Then there is R.O.C.O.R. (Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia) which is under the Patriarchate of Moscow. There are also other communions in the U.S. like the Bulgarians but all these communions are in at least partial communion with each other

@@nachokoenig6279 I agree with most of what you said, but the OCA did NOT come out of the Catholic Church.

@@nachokoenig6279 You are right! I have corrected my mistake. OCA is “in” and not “of.”

@@aLadNamedNathangood information I born catholic but orthodox appeal to me

There is an Old Catholic Church in Poland (Kościół Starokatolicki w Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej). Polish National Church is active in USA only.

Okay protestant

Indeed, traditionalist fundamentalist. 😉

“Soteriological universalism” would dogmatically place them outside catholic Christianity.

I live in Bayonne New Jersey and there a polish National Church

Probably because it doesn't exist in Poland; it pretty much exclusive to the U.S. and Canada.

It's an American thing to create new churches

​@@flameguy3416And those offshoots planted in America are often far less politicized than their origins. Something to think about.

How amazing in this day and age of the internet readily at ur fingertips, humans are still simian and so ignorant.

Generally, they seem to align with the Roman Missal.

@@jdotoz The 1500 year old one, or the 50 year old one?

@@jec1ny Yes.

The mass I attended this past Monday, Christmas, I noticed the PNCC bishop leading the mass didn't use the filioque.

The PNCC was actually REALLY CLOSE to union with the Orthodox through the AWRV back in the 1970’s. Unfortunately, due to disagreements about bishop celibacy, that union never occurred. That being said, some OCA priests actually continue to lead some PNCC retreats, providing us with hope that one day this horrible schism will end!

This is no longer the case.

Have you ever tried with Orthodoxy?

It is funny that you choose your church like it's a university or a job.

@@nisibonum7634 well,given that the vast majority of religious people just believe that the religion they were accidentally born in is true,any spiritual research is a quite commendable effort.

@@luigisantoriello3289 I guess it comes down to what kind of research. Does one decide what they think is right and find a church that matches that. Or does one surrender themselves to the Holy Spirit and through access to what one knows is true, look to allow themselves to be obedient to and guided by the Holy Spirit and Jesus. Even if that is not what they personally like.

Have you considered Anglicanism?

There is some dialogue between the PNCC and some Anglican churches. I noticed on the PNCC's Facebook a posting of a meeting. Anglican Province In America, Anglican Church In America, and Anglican Catholic Church. With the OCA also meeting with them.

Most would honestly consider them a cult as opposed to a denomination. A book called "A World More Bright" is a biography on Marie Baker Eddie and covers a good amount of their theological roots, though not where the church has gone since.

They’re a cult like JW

@@RayRice-lr8vi Yes good point. That's a more accurate classification

Definitely more of a Cult. And their beliefs can definitely be confusing for Christians. Started by Mary Baker Eddy. More Metaphysics than Christian religion. God is seen as a Devine principal rather than a n actual Being. Sin, evil, sickness, and death are only illusions and not reality. Hope this brief explanation helps. ✝️🙏🙂

No. The Catholic Church has not given any official interpretation on those mysteries as far as I know. The Catholic Church does not teach once saved always saved. It teaches that you can lose your salvation. It reasons that the wages of serious sin is death. They do not believe in once saved always saved.

@@dman7668 that makes sense. Thank you

@LilyoftheValeyrising To further elaborate on what Catholics believe, if one commits a serious sin, what Catholics call "mortal sin" you loose your justification. Unless you receive absolution i.e go to confession and confess these sins to a Catholic Priest you are going to hell. You can be forgiven by God for a mortal sin if you cannot reach a Priest to make a confession if one has complete and perfect contrition for that mortal sin. However the normative means of absolution for mortal sin must come in the form of the sacrament. The Church does teach their are exceptions depending on your circumstances and God is not bound by his sacraments. In Catholicism, there are two kinds of degrees to sin, mortal sin or deadly sin. Then there is venial sin, or sin not unto death. The reasoning for mortal and deadly sins vs venial sins distinction is taken from the New Testament where it is written that there is sin "not unto death". I can elaborate further if you are interested in a more in depth theological explanation. I was pressed for time responding to your question so I had to keep it brief. It is not in Catholicism necessary for you to be without sin in order to be saved under the New Covenant. Only that you be in a state of grace or friendship with God. In order for a sin to be considered a deadly sin the Church has laid out criteria that must be met for it to he deemed a mortal sin. Three conditions must be met in order for the sin to be considered a grave sin. Lastly, when the Catholic goes to confession and the Priest forgives the sin, this is not the Priest actually forgiving the sin. It is actually Christ doing so, the Priest is merely acting in the person of Christ. Catholics believe the Catholic Church was given authority to bind and to loose sin. This authority was transmitted to the apostles and it's outlined that this happened I believe in John 20:23 👇 "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” ☝️ The apostles obviously could only exercise this authority if one confessed their sin to the Apostles. Hence confession. Sin according to Catholicism is not just personal, it affects the entire community. The Priest is there to also be a witness to the community that you have repented or your sins. There are actually some similarities to Judaism here. For example, when Jesus heals a man of his disease, he tells the man to still show himself to the Priest that he is healed. For the sake of the communities verification that the man has been restored. Likewise grave sins damage the community and Priest is a witness to the community of sorts that you have been restored to the community. At least that's how I understand it. See this passage below: LUKE 17:14 "When he saw them he said to them, “Go and show yourselves to the priests.” And as they went they were cleansed." 1 John 5:16 "If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death.👉 I am not saying that you should pray about that. 👈 Here we learn the Bible is saying that for serious sin, you cannot just pray for it to be healed. If it is a sin not unto death one can be prayed for and the sin can be abolished. But no such instruction is given for serious or deadly sins. That's because we believe the Bible teaches the gravity of the sin may only be lifted under normative circumstances through the sacrament of reconciliation, or baptism which the Church teaches washes away ALL SINS (this was always the original understanding of baptism among Christians which changes after the protestant reformation takes place). I hope you found this insightful and helpful to further your understanding of Catholic beliefs and if you read all that then thank you, I took time out of watching two busy little kids to explain all that because I wanted you to have a better explanation.

@@dman7668 Thank you very much for the detailed response. The Bible verses you quoted are some of the reasons I left Protestantism and became Catholic. The church is such a blessing in my life. Thanks for the encouragement.

Yeah it's definitely Protestant aligned with some Old church values

“Catholic” is the Faith. To argue that “Catholic” is “Roman Catholic” because it dogmatizes the exclusivist papacy which teaches it do it must be held to be Catholic is circular reasoning. Roman Catholics need to do a much better job of presenting their case non-arrogantly in public. These mere assertions of dogma are a bit embarrassing.

The Anglican Communion no longer exists as such except on paper. Nearly the entire global south has repudiated the primacy of Canterbury and are not in communion with ECUSA, Canada, Australia, etc.

EO doesn’t view denominations, apostolic succession, & communion in the more formalistic & mechanistic manner that Westerns do. It’s much more relational, which makes it more complicated since there is really no procedure for reconciling groups in the West who have left the Roman obedience without “becoming Orthodox.” Since we view the EO Church as holding the Faith of the “undivided” Church, entering into Her communion is seen as the natural step. Some local Churches provide for a Western Rite. But recognizing “orthodoxy” in another “denomination” and receiving them as a Sister Church would probably require a pan-Orthodox consensus. And such a thing is currently impossible with Moscow & Constantinople is schism over ecclesiology. Willing to be corrected by better-informed Orthodox. But that’s my understanding as a layman!

thanks for the info ! that makes a lot of sense. it hurts my heart that Moscow and Constantinople are in schism😢

​@@genevieverose1234It hurts a lot of hearts. I speak as one who lives in a community with a Greek parish and a ROCOR parish.

I’m sure they will drop off soon then. For it is written: For once thou go woke thou shall go broke.

@@jiminycricket1593 it's been 18+ years since they were excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church, and 10+ years since the St. Louis archdiocese ended its court fight for St. Stanislaus' property (which St. Stan's won, by the way), and they're still kickin'. So losing the hate hasn't emptied the offering plate, if you will indulge a rather clunky rhyme 🙂 There are a handful of church members who have voiced interest in reconciling with Rome/the STL archdiocese, as I understand it; if that minority grows to a "we control your purse strings" size, that would be more likely to bring about your prophecy.

I was impressed!

It is ironic that reactionaries see themselves as traditional.

But this probably has little to nothing to do with doctrinal idiosyncrasies of denominations, as devoted to them as we may be!

@@traceyedson9652 That verse sure sounds like church discipline to me. 😄

I go to Trinity Bible Church in Phoenix. We have no authority but the Bible, Jesus is our Pope. I know Alice Cooper from Camelback Bible Church. Fist 👊 bump. School's out for summer . . .

​@@patrickmccarthy7877and where do u think the Bible came from? Did Jesus leave a Church or a book?

​@@essafats5728 Jesus's Apostles, his messengers have written books which became the new testament.

@@flameguy3416 You're missing his point. The Apostle's were the first within the Church which Christ founded.

@@flameguy3416 do you know the FULL TRUTH of Christianity's 2000yrs history? Was your faith tradition there at the compilation of the bible? Plz, plz dont say that you are that ignorant. with the internet at the tip of our fingertips, fact checking should not be a problem.

Yup, Mariavites are quite overlooked. They number less than 20,000 faithful here in Poland.

@@kacpergalik609 And for more confusion add the Neo-Hussites in the Czech Republic, post destruction of the Empire.

Despite their size, I find their characteristics quite interesting

I did some googling and their Polish community (Poland is by far the main center) is closer to 25,000.

@@kacpergalik609 Thank you! They were much more numerous at the beginning of the movement. One stands to be corrected, was not Sister Faustina Kowalski 'implicated' at the start?

A lot of times, at the turn of the 20th century, Catholic dioceses established what was known as a national parish for particular countries. The folks in those national parishes had their spiritual needs met, usually by a priest from their own country, and the bishop didn't have to listen to complaints from diocesan priests who weren't thrilled with a strange language (the Mass was in Latin in Roman parishes, so that didn't matter, but everyday requests did). In the Chicago Archdiocese, Our Lady of Pompeii (Italian) and St. Alphonsus (German) were once for immigrants and their progeny.

Another chief reason the denomination in this video was established was having the Mass in Polish. Every Roman Catholic parish until the 1960’s, even the ethnic ones, had the TLM.

bishop off Rome is in Lateran, Pope always was is and soon will bee back in Vatican and antipopes where in Roman Curia and Vatican Curia as now a such contemprorary is, may he be only shortly,is unfortunatly the curent antipope

John Maximovitch?

@@owainthoma3945 yes, I use the office title

Meh. It's protestantism.

Actually it's not protestantism. Go do some simple googling on the subject.

@@loriloristuff it basically is.

@@dman7668If you have something to say, say it. This is an ecumenical site, and most/many do not accept the papal claims to Vatican I. And many millions who don’t pre-existed both Protestantism and those dogmatic claims. So “it basically is” just doesn’t cut it.

@traceyedson9652 There isn't any difference in practice between protestantism and whats going on here. That's my point. They both reject the authority of the magesterium of the Catholic Church. Call it whatever you like but it really is just protestantism. They both reject the same authority.

They are not Catholic denominations. They are really just protestant Churches calling themselves Catholic. That's in my view a more accurate description, in my opinion. Hodur was excommunicated which means he didn't go to Heaven when he died. I'd consider just re joining the actual Catholic Church.

​@@dman7668Be that as it may, come the general resurrection He who sits on the Great White Throne is the final judge (Rev. 20:11).

Why don’t you become an actual catholic? You can’t just form ur own denomination that differs from church antiquity because you want too. There is only One Church, throughout all of Church History everyone affirmed this. Branch theory didn’t exist until at least 1500s and you could argue wasn’t fully fleshed out until 1800. Either you are Catholic or you are not. There are no “independent Catholics” that’s a contradiction in terms. Either you are in the universal church or you are not.

@@pj_ytmt-123no one believes otherwise here, as far as I can tell!

@@traceyedson9652 Well, the guy I was replying to apparently deleted his comment. 😌

Yes.

Smoking that kief at 4:20? Maybe we can get along.

That teacing was Anatmised in the 5 ecumenical council wich Rome agnoliges. And with very good reason..that belive will erode the church discipline to the core. In EO churces its no no..althou some theoligians are mensening very mildly but the oficial attidy is very firm agains it.

I know that. But I will never lose hope.

People out side of the State of Pennsylvania very few people believe that Scranton,Pa is a real city. Because of the TV comedy show " The Office" So a small group of "Believers mostly in the Wyoming Valley of NEPA.