What is the Single Best and Worst Map in TF2?

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Toofty

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4 жыл бұрын

Some maps good some maps bad but which one are which though?
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@thecorruptedbit5585
@thecorruptedbit5585 4 жыл бұрын
Personal choices: Favorite: 2fort Least favorite: 2fort
@engineer5092
@engineer5092 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@frank8273
@frank8273 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@connorssmallengines6663
@connorssmallengines6663 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@stardustriver
@stardustriver 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@marcellosirait_
@marcellosirait_ 4 жыл бұрын
Shame
@cheryl9809
@cheryl9809 4 жыл бұрын
We all know the best map is tr_walkway because every class is viable on it
@medicfdumbo
@medicfdumbo 3 жыл бұрын
Actually Walkways been glitched for years and the bots’ hit boxes lag behind their model making it not viable for any class
@G46s
@G46s 3 жыл бұрын
to add on, the map is just choke points
@sheikh_freddy
@sheikh_freddy 3 жыл бұрын
But how do I get tr_walkway?
@DocSlayingyoudown
@DocSlayingyoudown 3 жыл бұрын
By walking
@IAdmitMyCrime
@IAdmitMyCrime 3 жыл бұрын
It refuses to spawn the bots on my laptop so yeah it's unplayable for me
@SavageGreywolf
@SavageGreywolf 4 жыл бұрын
When Crash said he 'preferred to focus on the positives' that meant that he actually knows the person who made the map he hates the most :P
@albertobellini98
@albertobellini98 3 жыл бұрын
He could have said his least favorite among Valve's maps.
@bringbackthedislikecount1350
@bringbackthedislikecount1350 4 жыл бұрын
“...or DAYTA in American-speak...” Bold words from somebody who pronounces Yukon as “YUCKUN.” (It’s Yoo-Kon.)
@idle-hands
@idle-hands 3 жыл бұрын
/jukan/
@Sputnikcosmonot
@Sputnikcosmonot 3 жыл бұрын
its a pun innit
@bringbackthedislikecount1350
@bringbackthedislikecount1350 3 жыл бұрын
Sputnikcosmonot I thought so too but he continues to refer to it as Yuckun for the rest of the video
@charliegoldstein6135
@charliegoldstein6135 3 жыл бұрын
I could be wrong, but i think that was the joke. Yuck-on. (There was something about “yuck” in a sentence before.
@grandaduck
@grandaduck 3 жыл бұрын
ok "DAHRTA"
@jjjjjjjjj99
@jjjjjjjjj99 4 жыл бұрын
Personal favorite: Hightower Worst: Hightower when I want to leave and get my XP because I’ve been there for 3.5 hours and have so many points and decide to cap because the match has been so long, only for me to get kicked by the people who just joined and don’t see the 135 scoring players that want to use the bathroom and get the pizza delivery outside before the animals get to it and you have to order again and inquire if raccoon related incidents will get a free replacement. Also 2fort.
@connorssmallengines6663
@connorssmallengines6663 4 жыл бұрын
I like 2fort because it’s fun to get hundreds of kills on the clueless snipers
@Megafireball300
@Megafireball300 4 жыл бұрын
This is 100% me. Except for 2fort. so maybe not quite 100%
@BComet
@BComet 4 жыл бұрын
Why would you care for exp points since they do virtually nothing?
@CamTheWarlock
@CamTheWarlock 4 жыл бұрын
B. Comet for me, because I like to see my rank go up. It does nothing, but it gives makes me happy to see it go up.
@BComet
@BComet 4 жыл бұрын
Understandable. But I still think the rank system is dumb.
@mymanmarty8433
@mymanmarty8433 4 жыл бұрын
I bothers me a little bit to hear toofty pronounce Yukon “yakon”
@annoyedzebra6362
@annoyedzebra6362 4 жыл бұрын
yuck-on
@JohnSWeekley
@JohnSWeekley 4 жыл бұрын
You-Con is what it is to me.
@Ubelhardt
@Ubelhardt 4 жыл бұрын
You-Con is correct aye
@roomsky2622
@roomsky2622 4 жыл бұрын
They just hate Canada
@mymanmarty8433
@mymanmarty8433 4 жыл бұрын
I still love Miami element I have dreams of kissing Miami element over a fancy dinner
@ibrahimshaikh6728
@ibrahimshaikh6728 4 жыл бұрын
Frontier : the most underrated payload map in TF2 Also I could never learn to play sniper if 2Fort and Turbine weren't there. Their stalemates are what make you learn stuff without having to worry about dying or getting kicked if you are practicing something new.
@simpson6700
@simpson6700 4 жыл бұрын
Is frontier the one with the custom cart? I absolutely hate that glitchy mess.
@ibrahimshaikh6728
@ibrahimshaikh6728 4 жыл бұрын
@@simpson6700 it is the one with shark like looking cart. What glitches you saw in that map?
@simpson6700
@simpson6700 4 жыл бұрын
@@ibrahimshaikh6728 difficulty getting on it and the cart lagging back and fourth
@asi4n792
@asi4n792 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh frontier is not well designed. Red basically has all the high ground on every single point
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 3 жыл бұрын
I love frontier. Except the last point.
@karmascamera5275
@karmascamera5275 4 жыл бұрын
There actually *is* a defined template for what makes a good TF2 map 1. There must be three routes that converge to an objective 2. Said routes can not lead to the exact same position 3. A single defending Sentry can only cover one or two routes at a time 4. The longest route must yield some sort of advantage to the attackers (High ground, straight to defender's spawn, etc.)
@404found00
@404found00 4 жыл бұрын
Now that I think of it Upward fulfills this pretty well 1) to the final cap there's the payload rails, the building to the right, and the basement level running left and under 2) differences in height 3) the usual sentry spot can't reach all the way to the building and ones that can are usually too aggressive and can be flanked by underneath 4) high ground and flanking for 2 of 3 routes for the other points: first point: center "valley", left, right (left and right allows outranging sentries and flank respectively) second point: tunnel under, hill above, the house to the left, sneak path around the right (high ground for hill and house) third point: wooden spiral platform, straight path to left, wood walkway underneath to the hut (walkway is flank, path is quick and allows for strong ubers) as opposed to 2fort or turbine where one sentry can cover all 3 (or 2, in 2fort) entrances and the various entrances don't mean much (except for the vents in turbine being a bit stealthier).
@BComet
@BComet 4 жыл бұрын
It's fantastic how both Turbine and 2Fort fail to meet those standards.
@kikocacala7466
@kikocacala7466 4 жыл бұрын
I have a sentry spot on 2fort that can cover all three routes
@kerbonaut2059
@kerbonaut2059 3 жыл бұрын
Is this CSGO or something
@grainn_
@grainn_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@kikocacala7466 The intel room
@BumbleBeeBoi
@BumbleBeeBoi 4 жыл бұрын
9:29 don’t you hate that people dislike the map known as tf2
@Julio-it1pl
@Julio-it1pl 4 жыл бұрын
Tf2 best map
@xronge
@xronge 4 жыл бұрын
i dont know how you are supposed to hate tf2 as a map its jusy perfect in every way
@johnbob914
@johnbob914 4 жыл бұрын
The real question is what game mode is it for
@xronge
@xronge 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnbob914 tf2 gamemode
@johnbob914
@johnbob914 3 жыл бұрын
@@xronge tf2_tf2
@sn0ipe333
@sn0ipe333 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve literally never seen somebody happy about joining a server playing Brazil
@BComet
@BComet 4 жыл бұрын
I was always neutral about it.
@Sparkyyyy
@Sparkyyyy 3 жыл бұрын
Eh, it’s not bad. It’s not good either.
@fishHater
@fishHater 3 жыл бұрын
I kinda like it
@AlexyoTheFirst
@AlexyoTheFirst 2 жыл бұрын
I like Brazil, I think it's a decent experience, just a lot of space that doesn't need to be there
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 Жыл бұрын
the only reason to play brazil is for the contracts
@pokeman5699
@pokeman5699 4 жыл бұрын
2fort is my favorite map when: -The server is having a classic fun and relaxing DM-fest where you can screw around however you want for as long as you want without bothering with any objectives (à la Hightower) -The server is having a hyper competitive CTF match where both teams are determined and competent enough to have an intense back-and-forth battle for the Intels for 3 hours straight 2fort is my least favorite map when: -The server has an unbalanced split between Tryhard and Casual players where everyone wants to play a different way and thus no one ends up having fun (à la Hightower) -One team is a mix of friendlies and clueless F2Ps while the other team is tryhard/competent enough to take over the entire map and do with the match as they please
@sethleoric2598
@sethleoric2598 3 жыл бұрын
true, i guess 2fort and all ctf maps are representations of the utter stalemate between Red and Blu in the lore
@jcdenton2187
@jcdenton2187 3 жыл бұрын
Sums it up. If everyone's on the same page, 2Fort is great fun whether you're having friendlies and DM fests, or everyone decides to actually play the objective for 3 hours. When you have a bad mix of both kinds of players, its a lot less fun
@GogiRegion
@GogiRegion 3 жыл бұрын
2Fort is just poorly designed when it comes to serious play, but it’s pretty fun to mess around on because it has so many ways to play. I had a lot of fun just playing Spy the other day for an hour or so because I could switch between disguising to play as a friendly, playing gun Spy to get some kills on my strange revolver, just pretending to be enemies defending, and so many other fun things. It’s a good non-objective death match map where people aren’t too serious about killing each other.
@gogogagagugu2134
@gogogagagugu2134 4 жыл бұрын
8:32 why did you lump 5cp and attack/defend into the same gamemode? They have the same map prefix i know but they are fundamentally different gamemodes
@Toofty
@Toofty 4 жыл бұрын
Good point I should have split these out
@ottohartmann7444
@ottohartmann7444 3 жыл бұрын
I hate how the game classes attack/defend maps as control points maps
@pills2927
@pills2927 4 жыл бұрын
Personal choices: Favourite: Dustbowl Least favourite: Dustbowl
@engineer5092
@engineer5092 4 жыл бұрын
True
@sugaryhull9688
@sugaryhull9688 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@pills2927
@pills2927 4 жыл бұрын
Yeа, i love this map
@dirtmaster2290
@dirtmaster2290 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@bidza5059
@bidza5059 4 жыл бұрын
so relatable
@hotsaucehysteria
@hotsaucehysteria 4 жыл бұрын
I have to say that Granary is super underrated. It's simple and has the classic TF2 look. Maybe I'm bias because it looks like it's in Minnesota.
@9frames590
@9frames590 4 жыл бұрын
The hell do you mean Granary is underrated? It's literally the only map I can get a game with no bots
@BComet
@BComet 4 жыл бұрын
It is. It's my personal favorite because it has room for every class.
@fivehighflush
@fivehighflush 4 жыл бұрын
I wish you had to go in 1,2,3 order on the points. Right now defending teams just give up 1 or 2 to defend the other.
@CLUN_k
@CLUN_k 4 жыл бұрын
I think the pro version of the map is a whole lot better, but the map suffers from massive choke points regardless; which says a lot coming from 5cp
@figo3554
@figo3554 4 жыл бұрын
Ah hey a fellow Minnesotan
@JoeBurkeZerk
@JoeBurkeZerk 4 жыл бұрын
Personal Favorite: cp_Sunshine Sunshine is a Wonderful, Well-Designed, Aesthetically appealing map with Open Spaces, Good Chokes, Flank Routes, Sneaky Sentry Spots, Spy Hidey-Holes, Verticality, Sniper Sightlines, Anti-Sightlines, and is generally just played Well. Least Favrotie: ctf_Gorge As Someone who plays Manpower a *lot*, I often See Gorge's Enclosed Spaces getting most of the Action, when a lot of the Powerups AND the Grapple are movement-based for open areas with a lot of Geometry within them.
@tkdt549
@tkdt549 4 жыл бұрын
Seeing the lighthouse in the stamp reel makes me say "Yessss......."
@kimgkomg
@kimgkomg 4 жыл бұрын
How do you even play manpower "a *lot."* Once I left the game on for over 20 minutes while I ate lunch and not once was I able to get into a server. It sucks because when I played it in 2017 it was my favorite gamemode but now it's seems like nobody plays it.
@JoeBurkeZerk
@JoeBurkeZerk 4 жыл бұрын
@@kimgkomg Get a bunch of Buddies and start up a custom server.
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 3 жыл бұрын
I don't like sunshine from a gameplay view but it is a gorgeous map.
@HOUROFPOW3R
@HOUROFPOW3R 3 жыл бұрын
the halloween version of sunshine makes it the best pub 5cp map by a large margin if not for the fps problems
@thatguybrody4819
@thatguybrody4819 4 жыл бұрын
i'm surprised Harvest wasn't higher. everyone i meet in game loves it.
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 3 жыл бұрын
It's by far my favorite spy map.
@justinperez605
@justinperez605 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a good map, but I believe dust bowl is superior
@DaelLessons
@DaelLessons 3 жыл бұрын
It's too east to spawnkill the entire team as a medic, pyro and heavy there so I can understand why people don't like it
@grunkythegrandpaofcheese5241
@grunkythegrandpaofcheese5241 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly not a fan of harvest. Too many mini-sentries and Demoknights for my liking.
@thatguybrody4819
@thatguybrody4819 3 жыл бұрын
@@grunkythegrandpaofcheese5241 the mini sentries are easy to deal with. it's the fully leveled sentries that are a real problem.
@Toofty
@Toofty 4 жыл бұрын
*edit: At 9:28 I accidentally say TF2 instead of 2fort because words are hard Let me know if there are any maps I missed that deserve a mention!
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@invisiblefan313
@invisiblefan313 4 жыл бұрын
why do you pronounce yukon the way you do?
@mr.freddles2866
@mr.freddles2866 4 жыл бұрын
I was just about to comment this when I saw that you made a comment yourself. Darn.
@casuallyuncalm9488
@casuallyuncalm9488 4 жыл бұрын
TF2 is best map
@MoreSeaweedMedleyDear
@MoreSeaweedMedleyDear 4 жыл бұрын
Tf2 really is just 2fort with extra steps
@asdfoifhvjbkaos
@asdfoifhvjbkaos 3 жыл бұрын
Pier was just added as an official map, how do you think it stacks up?
@RajKumar-wf3ri
@RajKumar-wf3ri 4 жыл бұрын
Today is happy birthday of heavy and demoman's voice actor 🎉
@fanwtn5124
@fanwtn5124 4 жыл бұрын
“Me bottle o’ scrumpy”
@TheBestPybro
@TheBestPybro 4 жыл бұрын
wow
@padfoot719
@padfoot719 4 жыл бұрын
Wow what a coincidence they have the same birthday. Edit: I looked online and they even have the same name too. What a coincidence.
@RajKumar-wf3ri
@RajKumar-wf3ri 4 жыл бұрын
@@padfoot719 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) they are same
@RajKumar-wf3ri
@RajKumar-wf3ri 4 жыл бұрын
@9-yo pyromain got my party hat today yay
@forkliftposter
@forkliftposter 3 жыл бұрын
Wutville: *Imma end half of this video’s whole career*
@brunoc.g.6654
@brunoc.g.6654 4 жыл бұрын
9:03 "howerdi, here haff a toffy bucs since u haff ben so gud" you're welcome
@j-69
@j-69 4 жыл бұрын
Toofy, not toffy
@swafty5813
@swafty5813 4 жыл бұрын
Personal choices: Favorite: Harvest Least Favorite: Turbine TL;DR: KOTH maps are good when small, CTF maps are bad when small, boom. Figured out tf2 map design. To explain. I hate stale mates in TF2. While it's kinda a core part of the design, I still always liked close quarters high octane action. The only thing I hate about Harvest is how easy it is to theoretically spawn camp the whole match (but that's warranted and not really a nitpick). I hate Turbine because every route to the Intel is a literal choke point. Look at maps like Landfall or Double-cross. The Intel is either out in the open or in a medium sized room (respectively) with large gaps for enemy pushes. On Turbine, there would've been a good spot if there wasn't that weird double door on the North side of the Intel room. Can we atleast agree that Turbine is played maybe a little to much within map rotation? Even a bit? The only reason I don't hate 2Fort more is because of meme bias. Other than that it's kinda worse in every way. When I first started playing all I basically was playing were CTF maps bc that was all that was showing up. I've had to turn off the CTF game mode completely by this point. It's weird. I don't even play fps multiplayer shooters ever except TF2, as I've only picked up this game when valve shunned f2plays. And honestly, it has the contender for being the best looking but most awkwardly designed game of it's genre (unless we are talking about BattleBorn, that's a whole other story). And I know tf2 is old and I respect it. But I've been following this community for a while now. Once I've actually played I've realized how off it is. If you are wondering why I'm not playing anything else rn other than tf2 is bc I really like the community and the class base system is really cool.
@therealspiroagnew818
@therealspiroagnew818 4 жыл бұрын
Based
@XanderFenikkusu
@XanderFenikkusu 4 жыл бұрын
Turbine is the best CTF map, but then again CTF *is* a pretty shit game mode.
@therealspiroagnew818
@therealspiroagnew818 4 жыл бұрын
@@XanderFenikkusu nah. Every other CTF map is better than Turbine
@engie3953
@engie3953 4 жыл бұрын
@@therealspiroagnew818 based on what?
@majinflo2438
@majinflo2438 4 жыл бұрын
The Real Spiro Agnew are you saying that turbine is worse then 2fort?
@Diddlyy
@Diddlyy 4 жыл бұрын
Personal choices: Favourite: Upward Least favourite: Powerhouse. The rounds never _end_
@wamuuthepillarman1936
@wamuuthepillarman1936 4 жыл бұрын
But it is my favorite map cuz of so much tryhards and no ends. WAR THAT WILL LAST FOREVER
@nightcaller92
@nightcaller92 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that lack of a round timer on Powerhouse is hellish, but the map is otherwise fine
@mrhat1073
@mrhat1073 4 жыл бұрын
that's why I love playing powerhouse every now and again. it's an endless hell where you never see the Demo with his Medic GF. nor will you ever get absolutely fucked by a sniper or spy main.
@CamTheWarlock
@CamTheWarlock 4 жыл бұрын
That’s one of the reasons l like powerhouse. 2fort and have Hightower also never end, so if a game mode doesn’t have a round timer, you can bet there’s a map where the game won’t end.
@purpleblah2
@purpleblah2 4 жыл бұрын
I like Powerhouse because sometimes you get absolute slugfests that last a long time and are very satisfying. But also sometimes the first round is so long the team that lost the first match just loses all morale and rolls over and dies.
@nikoladekovski4611
@nikoladekovski4611 4 жыл бұрын
Man am I dissapointed that cp_Gravelpit isn't more popular. It's ridiculous and chaotic while really allowing each class to excel in different sections of the map!
@hamsandwich2163
@hamsandwich2163 3 жыл бұрын
Worst map according to toofty: junction *laughs in wutville*
@engineer5092
@engineer5092 4 жыл бұрын
Personal choices: Fav: 2fort Least fav: turbine 2fort
@IAm-zo1bo
@IAm-zo1bo 4 жыл бұрын
Ew
@bowser3017
@bowser3017 4 жыл бұрын
2rbine and tufort
@UnrealLuxis
@UnrealLuxis 4 жыл бұрын
2bine
@chandranair9448
@chandranair9448 3 жыл бұрын
Copied
@xavibun
@xavibun 4 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't talk about Hydro at all
@BComet
@BComet 4 жыл бұрын
Too obvious I guess
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 3 жыл бұрын
I played hydro and it's honestly not that bad. It's really run if your scout or something like that. The problem with hydro is it's basically impossible for either team to win.
@itsyaboi1245
@itsyaboi1245 3 жыл бұрын
It’s also a gorgeous map I can’t be the only one who thinks it looks incredible
@DoABarrelRol1l
@DoABarrelRol1l 3 жыл бұрын
Easily the best map. Still confuses me to this day I will admit. Very pretty yet diverse atmosphere (vents? Drains? A gigantic dish???).
@C4eam
@C4eam 3 жыл бұрын
Hydro is an underappreciated map, like seriously it visually looks appealing, came on launch, and was even modified to be used in expiration date
@xxgimpl0rdxx22
@xxgimpl0rdxx22 4 жыл бұрын
9:29 ah yes, the worst map, tf2. Tfw 2fort is synonymous with tf2.
@tinajd187
@tinajd187 4 жыл бұрын
Friendly reminder that the map prefix cp_ is also used for both 5cp *and* Attack/Defend, which are two very different gamemodes entirely.
@ryco9669
@ryco9669 4 жыл бұрын
Favorite is Steel. The way its played is so different from every other Attack/Defend map and there's so many side routes your can take and defend. Least: I don't know, there's a bunch of game modes I don't have turned on and a bunch of individual maps that I don't have on rotation either so there's nothing I really have to dread being put into outside of end of map votes going to Dustbowl or Gold Rush. That said Gold Rush and Dustbowl are pretty unfun
@Dimitris-ko8ug
@Dimitris-ko8ug 4 жыл бұрын
We all gonna agree that Hydro is obviously the best map.
@thatguybrody4819
@thatguybrody4819 4 жыл бұрын
honestly as long as you slightly look up and see the thousands of arrows telling you exactly where to go, it's pretty fun. (plus the one spawn room with the 20 arrows)
@Dimitris-ko8ug
@Dimitris-ko8ug 4 жыл бұрын
@@thatguybrody4819 AND some sessions of the map where the teams spawn in the wrong spawn room.
@thatguybrody4819
@thatguybrody4819 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dimitris-ko8ug it's been a problem for how long now? 3-5 years?
@Grufflebum
@Grufflebum 10 ай бұрын
I've literally never played it if that goes to show how obscure it is despite being one of the original 6 maps.
@Helpmegetsubswithnovideo-nn6oq
@Helpmegetsubswithnovideo-nn6oq 4 жыл бұрын
Fav map: cp_process Reason: haha rocket jump roamer go zoom Least fav: hydro Reason: who do you think I am, ace the ocarina maker?
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 3 жыл бұрын
I don't really like either one.
@e2b265
@e2b265 4 жыл бұрын
Bruh you asked like 20 people this is a tiny sample size I wasn’t going to leave a comment until I was told to. Not my fault. I take no responsibility.
@LividImp
@LividImp 3 жыл бұрын
So small it's not even worth mentioning.
@hiphip1836
@hiphip1836 3 жыл бұрын
The numbers are percentages, not number of votes. You can see so at around 2:07, when he shows the actual poll itself.
@e2b265
@e2b265 3 жыл бұрын
Hip Hip Exactly my point. I think. I don’t want to rewatch the video to check.
@JianCB2
@JianCB2 3 жыл бұрын
@@e2b265 No? Your point was that there were like 20 people, percentages don't indicate how many people participated.
@eh2587
@eh2587 3 жыл бұрын
@@JianCB2 exactly
@kippen9486
@kippen9486 4 жыл бұрын
Damn, sawmill wasn't even mentioned in even one of the lists. Rip my favorite map
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 3 жыл бұрын
Cp sawmill a lot of fun.
@lukamtc9188
@lukamtc9188 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like this might be even more controversial than the "which class takes the most skill" debate.. Here's my personal thoughts on some of the maps: (yes ik nobody cares but I have nothing better to do other than rant about tf2 maps) The best Attack/Defense map is... I dunno.. Mercenary Park is my fav. (I love the aesthetic and the only thing I don't like is the last point, especially how OP sentries are there.) The best CTF map is Doublecross, which is also my fav. (the map has a lovely aesthetic, and from a design standpoint it's what 2fort wanted to achieve but never did.) The best Control Points map is Gorge, my favorite is Yukon. (I really don't see why ppl think it's a bad map, it has something decent for all the classes and a nice aesthetic.) The best KOTH map is.. dunno either, my favorite is probably Suijin.. (I don't play a lot of KOTH cuz imo it is the worst gamemode, teamwork is almost never seen there and the objective feels so irrelevant.. it's almost the same as Hightower's situation.) The best Payload map is Upward, my favorite is Frontier. (I just love that cart man.) The best Payload Race map is.. well they're all mediocre except Hightower, my fav. is Hightower. (Hightower is the worst PLR map, but it's great if you ignore the objective.) I don't play Mannpower or Pass time. The misc maps are really interesting though. 2Fort Invasion is fun because of the bombs, but is terrible otherwise because it is still 2Fort. DeGroot Keep would be cool if it was truly melee only, ppl say the first 2 points are too hard to defend but that's intentional. Doomsday is ok I guess.. I personally dislike it, but the gamemode seems interesting. Probed is heavily underrated, and almost nobody ever plays it cuz it's burried in Alternative. Guess that can be said for most of these maps. Snowplow is just a fancy and overrated Attack/Defense map. Watergate is actually really good, if nobody is paying engineer that is. Now... Hydro.. oh boy where do I even start? Ok first, the map is not what we have in the base game. This territory control crap VALVe made it into makes it really annoying to play on, I agree. But that is not what the map is supposed to be. It is supposed to be a huge KOTH-Control Point hybrid, preferably something like what is available in TF2C. The map is actually really well balanced, it has a lot to offer for every class. Both big open spaces and small crammed corridors. The fact the map is so huge makes it really fun to run around. There is always something to do, you aren't locked to one or two main passage ways most maps offer (main and flank). The map does seem confusing at first, but if you follow arrows and just explore for a while you'll learn it's layout quickly. It's really not all that confusing. A top down view of Hydro is actually amazing. I would also like to point out the aesthetic. Oh man, you can't tell me it isn't great. It has that classic, old TF2 vibe to it. The capture points are all unique and it truly feels like a huge map, thanks to the color pallet. All in all, it is by far my favorite map in TF2, and it probably always will be. It has a special place in my heart as that one massive, underrated and forgotten map, butchered by VALVe long ago. I don't really have a least favorite map, but there sure are a few that stick out to me. Maps like Harvest, Junction and Process all aren't balanced around all the classes. For example: Harvest is THE scout map, snipers and soldiers also do pretty well there. As a result the other classes are kinda suppressed. This is the main problem most maps have, they don't take into account that not all classes perform the same way on different "terrain". God that's a long comment.. might've went overboard there.
@eh2587
@eh2587 3 жыл бұрын
"probed is heavily undderated and almost nobody ever plays it because it's buried in the alternative" I feel like no one plays it because it's in the same section as degrootkeep
@spino650
@spino650 2 жыл бұрын
0:48 I can't believe you forgot the most important requirement - makes Pain Train Knight a literal god
@soapgod5554
@soapgod5554 4 жыл бұрын
10 minutes and 30 seconds of me slowly realizing how little I have in common with toofty
@QuinnQuinnlyk
@QuinnQuinnlyk 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I like thundermountain alot so I was kinda mad when I saw the list at first...
@dogemaster9676
@dogemaster9676 4 жыл бұрын
Watergate is IMMENSELY underrated.
@LividImp
@LividImp 3 жыл бұрын
I like it, but the fucking thing always crashes me to desktop.
@doommaker4000
@doommaker4000 4 жыл бұрын
Junction may not be balanced for every class, but I like it's gameplay. 2 separate points with routes converging on the final monster that is last control point. With even decent defence it requires blue to be more coordinated than usual, while giving red some nice easy spots to shoot at the bad guys
@Zyzzyva72
@Zyzzyva72 4 жыл бұрын
9:28 "Despite the hate that maps like TF2, turbine..." wait a second what Edit - Now someone HAS to make Upwater a thing, obviously nothing could go wrong there!
@Toofty
@Toofty 4 жыл бұрын
oops how did I miss that!? I meant to say 2fort as you may have guessed Yes please, Upwater would be the ultimate map
@sulios491
@sulios491 4 жыл бұрын
ULTIMATE FUSION
@deltac03r4
@deltac03r4 4 жыл бұрын
"Yuck-on"? Toofty pls, it's "Yoo-kon"!
@stop8576
@stop8576 4 жыл бұрын
my maps when i dont wanna play seriously: 2fort, hightower when i wanna play seriously: upward, badwater maps i avoid playing in: dustbowl, junction
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 3 жыл бұрын
I play payload maps with any feeling. Always fun.
@jackhumphries1087
@jackhumphries1087 Жыл бұрын
“What’s the worst map in tf2?, junction obviously” Man completely forgot that Wutville exists
@doktawhawee9870
@doktawhawee9870 4 жыл бұрын
3:26 YO THAT'S MY TWEET EPIC!
@oterro8225
@oterro8225 4 жыл бұрын
"I didn't expect to see Sweden here" Jokes aside, great video as usual. Keep it up!
@hello-ri8rz
@hello-ri8rz 3 жыл бұрын
cp_steal and tc_hydro are my favorites simply because of the concepts. They may have not been executed well but I wish to see more maps like them.
@andrewchapman2039
@andrewchapman2039 3 жыл бұрын
sd_doomsday used to be my favourite before it suddenly disappeared for no apparent reason. I miss it.
@rogergrogan598
@rogergrogan598 4 жыл бұрын
4:02 look in the bottom right corner and keep watching... "Anime cat girl is playing tf2"
@Alumento
@Alumento 4 жыл бұрын
I actually quite enjoy Junction personally, even though I recognize that there are good reasons it's not very popular. Also, lets go Steel gang. Steel's definitely one of my favorites alongside Badwater and Upward.
@LividImp
@LividImp 3 жыл бұрын
I found my brother in arms. My top is either Steel or Thundermountain, and I love Junction too.
@PanzerMan332
@PanzerMan332 4 жыл бұрын
*Favorite:* Nucleus. I like how the fighting mostly takes place around the point rather than inside it. Simple fun. *Least Favorite:* Steel. That confusing, indoor maze-like design of the 5 points absolutely sucks. Having each capture point change the layout of the map when captured is a good idea, but horrible execution.
@BComet
@BComet 4 жыл бұрын
I like Steel, but I understand it. Sometimes it also feels VERY small and chokey.
@xxgabethedogxx7738
@xxgabethedogxx7738 4 жыл бұрын
Once I enter the inside area of steel, I can never find a way get out.
@CamTheWarlock
@CamTheWarlock 4 жыл бұрын
I only managed to learn the layout after playing it a lot, but that’s because I like it
@LividImp
@LividImp 3 жыл бұрын
Noobs don't like Steel because it confuses them. You just need to play it more to realize it is probably the best pubber's map out there. Because unlike the other "just keep moving straight forward" on-rails maps, you have to actually have a strategy but be flexible if it goes wrong. I guess if you're nothing but brainless twitch you wouldn't like it, but if you like tactics, it is gold.
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 3 жыл бұрын
Once you get the hang of steel it's actually a insanely fun map. What makes it great is each class can has a spot on it where they're just unstoppable. All the sniper windows are overpowered, building a sentry anywhere is overpowered, heavy good around corners, every class is op on that map.
@chromeeagle7172
@chromeeagle7172 4 жыл бұрын
Damn that Baka Mitai at the end turned real dark real quick
@Ryan-in3ot
@Ryan-in3ot 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite is pier. I think it is really unique and pretty, and I feel like people forget about it a lot. Though I've been seeing it a bit more recently.
@lilgibby2653
@lilgibby2653 4 жыл бұрын
One of my favorites is actually suijin because of its fun ammo and health placements and fun layout and flank potential
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 3 жыл бұрын
Fujin fun when no one caps and they just messs around in. It's a great map for exploring.
@wojtekpolska1013
@wojtekpolska1013 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy Watergate. tho most people dont even know what gamemode it is. hardly anyone plays it
@LividImp
@LividImp 3 жыл бұрын
I like the gamemode, but the map crashes TF2 for me so I never play it. I'm guessing I'm not the only one.
@sulios491
@sulios491 4 жыл бұрын
For me upward i such a beautiful map for all classes. It has so much open spaces (great for rocket jumping/ sticky jumping), tight corridores, chokepoints and overall a very very nice theme. I love it so much, maybe a little bit too much cause i play it a ton. One thing i also wanted to say is that your videos have become so well put together its blowing me away. Please Toofty keep up the crazy work its amazing. Thank you! (I think i can speak for the community here :) )
@Intrafacial86
@Intrafacial86 2 жыл бұрын
The thing that annoys me to death is how attack/defend gets grouped in with 5cp even though they’re radically different. Like, how hard would it have been to change them from cp_ to ad_?
@realsadhours1241
@realsadhours1241 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if this is just me but I really enjoy enclosure and would say it’s tied for my favorite payload map
@manray171
@manray171 4 жыл бұрын
Personal Favorite: Mossrock or Mountain Lab Least Favorite: Junction
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 3 жыл бұрын
Junction not that bad if you have voice chat. Mountain lab is always fun. I never get it in the map rotations.
@gooseman12378
@gooseman12378 3 жыл бұрын
I hate all three of those maps
@Brixster
@Brixster 2 жыл бұрын
My opinion on Dustbowl is that it's more fun in community servers where you can play with crazy off-brand community games like Class Wars and roll the dice. It sorta takes the unbalanced mess of Dustbowl and embraces it with chance and fun shenanigans. As a casual pubstomper who rarely plays community, I definitely have more fun with Dustbowl on community servers than I do in casual mode.
@doswallo
@doswallo 4 жыл бұрын
3:23 “There I am, Gary! There I am!”
@RandomRyan
@RandomRyan 4 жыл бұрын
My choices: Best: Barnblitz Worst: Hightower
@andykillsu
@andykillsu 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy 2fort. It’s one of the greatest maps in all of video games. You can play as any class and have a bunch of fun.
@guy_th18
@guy_th18 4 жыл бұрын
What about 2fort with a competent sniper on the other team? Also, fun for what medic exactly?
@gwen_gets_got
@gwen_gets_got 4 жыл бұрын
Guy - 2fort is a shit map. Every other ctf map is better
@andykillsu
@andykillsu 4 жыл бұрын
@@guy_th18 Medic is one of the greatest classes. It doesn't matter what map it is, heal a god solider or heavy and you will have fun. If you can't kill a good sniper on the other team, that's your own fault, get gud.
@guy_th18
@guy_th18 4 жыл бұрын
@@andykillsu please explain to me how to kill a sniper from long range as any class other than sniper (or gun spy)
@andykillsu
@andykillsu 4 жыл бұрын
@@guy_th18 LOL If you don't know how to do that, that is your problem. There are many solutions to that...
@kerbonaut2059
@kerbonaut2059 3 жыл бұрын
'Least favourite: junction' Amen brother, that map is positively claustrophobic
@fellowperson6406
@fellowperson6406 4 жыл бұрын
@9:34 the face of that scout when you snag him out of the air on accident with the grapple hook.
@br4ss_crusader973
@br4ss_crusader973 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion Pl best map: badwater Ctf best map: 2fort Koth best map: harvest Control point best map: 5gorge Plr best map: hightower Misc best map: degroot keep A/D best map: dust bowl
@normalguy729
@normalguy729 4 жыл бұрын
Best custom map?
@adamjsher04
@adamjsher04 4 жыл бұрын
For attack/defend i would have to disagree and ask why no one mentions gravelpit. Also CTF, double cross, Landfall and Sawmill i feel are way better, specially Sawmill
@wamuuthepillarman1936
@wamuuthepillarman1936 4 жыл бұрын
Also most played maps without process
@Youtube_valle
@Youtube_valle 4 жыл бұрын
Favorite: Upward, Dustbowl Least favorite: Thundermountain,I just hate thundermountain because of the second and last stage, Junction how can someone enjoy this map?
@Deh9o11en8or
@Deh9o11en8or 4 жыл бұрын
I really like thunder mountain stage 2 tbh. I guess it's the fact that it's almost 100% flank routes makes it hard to stalemate
@bruschetta7711
@bruschetta7711 4 жыл бұрын
@@Deh9o11en8or i think people hate on Thundermountain either cuz ot's rainy (which instead is why i love it) or because it takes so long to finish, you have to go through all the e different parts to switch sides, and it's not as quick as other payload maps divided in 3 parts
@claricea.5393
@claricea.5393 4 жыл бұрын
That's a shame because the last stage in Thunder Mountain is my favourite part to get to
@LividImp
@LividImp 3 жыл бұрын
Thundermountain is my number one or two map. I also love Junction. Yes it's tight, but that forces a change up in your style of play. Why do people get so upset when they have to adapt?
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 3 жыл бұрын
I don't mind junction as solder or engie cuz I can lockdown all the problem areas. Thunder mountain is fun as spy but yeah. The final point on all the segments are crazy hard to deal with.
@dragonslayr6493
@dragonslayr6493 4 жыл бұрын
2 fort and thunder mountain payload? 2fort is for long and drawn out matches for just random shenanigans and my boi thunder mountain? It is so wide open for jumps. Look at how they murdered my bois!
@jocaleb0236
@jocaleb0236 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly 2fort and turbine are both my favorites and least favorites They’re fun to mess around and just casually do things, but the moment you want to try everyone just hates you and gets mad. They’re also some of the most popular community server maps (of the base game maps) which lets me share my and see others sprays etc Also I’m curious about this same question but for MvM
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 3 жыл бұрын
Both of those maps are my favorite maps when playing demoknight.
@cluelesshands9129
@cluelesshands9129 4 жыл бұрын
Fav: cp_foundry Least fav: ctf_2fort
@JustinWHY-zz7gz
@JustinWHY-zz7gz 4 жыл бұрын
Personal choices: Favourite: hightower Least favourite: everything
@wamuuthepillarman1936
@wamuuthepillarman1936 4 жыл бұрын
Also you are scout or sniper main?
@CamTheWarlock
@CamTheWarlock 4 жыл бұрын
Does everything include Hightower?
@JustinWHY-zz7gz
@JustinWHY-zz7gz 4 жыл бұрын
@@CamTheWarlock if tryhard soldier bf and lime pink scouts are in it, yeah
@Christopher-D
@Christopher-D 3 жыл бұрын
Quick question to all of you who like suijin: why? It's either sniper heaven or spam hell. The map wasn't even built for koth, it was an arena map that the mapper slapped a control point on because people kept telling her to.
@yeahmansoul
@yeahmansoul 4 жыл бұрын
I basically 100% agree with your final listing, which i didn’t expect. Hats off to you sir, now if you would excuse me i have an apointment on upwater
@oatmeal6728
@oatmeal6728 3 жыл бұрын
Most underrated map award to pl_barnblitz 🥺
@II--II
@II--II Жыл бұрын
Barnblitz is just Hoodoo but with snow…
@therealspiroagnew818
@therealspiroagnew818 4 жыл бұрын
Personal Choices Favorite: Sawmill Least Favorite: Turbine
@connorturner4612
@connorturner4612 4 жыл бұрын
but ctf sawmill or koth sawmill? there's a hell of a difference to the experience
@therealspiroagnew818
@therealspiroagnew818 4 жыл бұрын
@@connorturner4612 I like both. Personally, I really enjoy Sawmill, so I tend to play it longer as a CTF map. But both are good
@theermac6024
@theermac6024 3 жыл бұрын
The thing is: which is the best/worst map *of each gamemode*. That would be another interesting one.
@kradsile
@kradsile 4 жыл бұрын
I got called out that i play trade_plaza_2 almost everyday and i feel.. nothing, actually.
@kingjensen8091
@kingjensen8091 4 жыл бұрын
Wait... People dislike thunder mountain? I guess not everyone is on Twitter so it makes sense, but that map is soooo much fun for every class, I thought. Map is gorgeous, open as all hell, leads to good long matches, and variable enough from section to section to favor every class.
@claricea.5393
@claricea.5393 4 жыл бұрын
You're not alone! Fave thunder mountain stage is the last one for me
@tea_F2
@tea_F2 4 жыл бұрын
Not even a single mention of ctf_landfall, my personal least favorite map by a huge margin
@stanleyschicken
@stanleyschicken 4 жыл бұрын
Please elaborate I need to know why
@ntg5050
@ntg5050 4 жыл бұрын
good video! also toofty, i saw you yesterday on enclosure, my name was Inspector Bonk, It was a pleasure playing with you!
@harpyeagle5107
@harpyeagle5107 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love thunder mountain but sometimes i wish the last section of it was its own map because it's so much fun but sometimes you don't get to go to it if both teams defend the first two sections
@e2b265
@e2b265 4 жыл бұрын
Americans don’t say “Dahta”, weird people do.
@fewny2691
@fewny2691 4 жыл бұрын
Best: PL - Snowycoast PLR - Hightower A/D - Egypt CTF - Landfall 5cp - Sunshine Koth - Lakeside Worst: PL - Hoodoo PLR - Pipeline A/D - Junk shin CTF - Turbine 5cp - Yukon Koth - Badlands Open for constructive criticism
@havoc3-243
@havoc3-243 Жыл бұрын
What about the alt modes?
@Flour-4
@Flour-4 2 жыл бұрын
2fort is one of my favorite maps because it's the second map I played, that goes to several people too. You see so many new players, learning to play the game, and just see them wandering around, completely oblivious to their surroundings, it's just heartwarming. Oh yeah there's the actual map and game mode. It's ok I guess, still not bad. Process was the first map I played, that one is fine too.
@Fluxuation
@Fluxuation 11 ай бұрын
Honestly… I am EXTREMELY sad that nobody plays enclosure. It’s honestly so sad for me, because it’s such a fun map! Especially since most of the 3 stage payload maps suck.
@naz2487
@naz2487 4 жыл бұрын
Personal choices: Favorite: 2fort Least favorite: turbine
@dgaminggaming1803
@dgaminggaming1803 4 жыл бұрын
Me too
@aryayousefi5546
@aryayousefi5546 4 жыл бұрын
im one of the first three here yaaay
@itscuz2351
@itscuz2351 2 жыл бұрын
Haha that last video on 2fort made my day
@sammy-tj7br
@sammy-tj7br 4 жыл бұрын
It kinda depends which map the game puts you on repeatedly, after playing badwater for 2 games in a row upward is refreshing but sometimes upward is bad
@estmeta
@estmeta 4 жыл бұрын
junction was tons of fun back when you can build a sentry on top of the vent near point A. also BLU can build teles out of spawn helps. Not sure why Valve removed that.
@M4x_P0w3r
@M4x_P0w3r 4 жыл бұрын
I think that 2fort is a map made for beginners to start getting used to the classes. There's pretty much a place for all the classes: -the porch for the Sniper, Scout and rocket/sticky-jumping Soldier/Demo, -the intel room/indoors courtyard for the Engineer and Heavy, - the hallways for sticky trapping Demo, Soldier and Pyro - water for the Pyrosharks
@zaril448
@zaril448 4 жыл бұрын
I love how the outro music is baka mitai brilliant
@mrexists5400
@mrexists5400 3 жыл бұрын
0:55 if we are going by that, then high tower, no other map have i seen that people get vote kicked for trying to cap. even though high tower will be voted for again anyways
@vorpalweapon4814
@vorpalweapon4814 4 жыл бұрын
good video, also I love this hyrdo gameplay and I hope to see more, can you make a video on hybrid knight someday?
@annex332
@annex332 4 жыл бұрын
My Personal Choices. For messing around: 2Fort, Hightower, Harvest and Dustbowl. Serious Play: Upward, Badwater, and Swiftwater. Least Favourite: Thunder Mountain (I just don’t find it visually appealing, plus I’ve never been a huge fan of multi part payload maps)
@theBlindDeafMute
@theBlindDeafMute 3 жыл бұрын
thank god you clarified "data". i would have had no clue what you were saying otherwise.
@bidza5059
@bidza5059 4 жыл бұрын
9:04 thanks fro toofy bucs,really cool
@Ne1vaan
@Ne1vaan 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I will freely admit to being a fan of dustbowl and turbine for their worse qualities. Sometimes a lengthy stalemate can be incredibly fun. If I noticed this poll I probably would have thrown in for Gorge. It's like if dustbowl was objectively a good map. Upward is the actual best map though. The flank routes and open areas are both excellent.
@bobtheartist2897
@bobtheartist2897 4 жыл бұрын
From a 6s/Highlander perspective: I think cp_process is a brilliantly designed map for 6s as it's THE 6s map. Really encouraging mobility classes, great general design and well balanced whether you're attacking or defending points (which is harder to do with 5cp), but if I have to play Highlander Engie on process again I will shoot myself- just not particularly designed for those classes. Similarly I'd say koth_viaduct, or the competitive version product that removes the snow aesthetic and makes a few more tweaks for gameplay and visibility. It's pretty well designed for every class to have some kind of role and space in the map even if it's a little hectic at times. As a highlander simp, still got to say Badwater and Upward are the best maps; so well designed, brilliantly balanced for all classes and everyone has a role on attack and defence
@RandomJayne
@RandomJayne 2 жыл бұрын
Batwater and Upward are pretty solid but I really dislike how the train on Frontier can take up so much space in a narrow area that it's difficult or impossible to walk around it and how annoying it is trying to hop onto sometimes, especially if you're trying to get on from the back.
@PurpleColonel
@PurpleColonel 4 жыл бұрын
He finally got a custom hud! Looks great.
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