That's wonderful! None of us completely understand everything (which makes sense if we're dealing with a limitless God), so every Christian can relate. You're among friends. 😁 Walking with Christ is one step at a time. Sometimes feels great, sometimes feels difficult, but it's always worth it. Praying for you and your walk with Jesus.

Praise God you heard the message of the gospel and believed! Welcome to the family of Christ!

Glad it was helpful!

Obrigado, Diego -- Thanks for watching!

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Agreed. Thanks, brother!

Thanks!! Their sound quality is even better than their backdrop appeal. 🤘😁🤘

So true! I’m a sucker for the Fender sound man, I have owned a 78 Pro Reverb that sounded absolutely incredible, but it gave me 4 hernias so I gave ip on it 😂 Now I’m lame and I do a modeler because I can actually carry 14oz 😎

@@adrianoab2 - Right on. There's no shame in that. The fella on top is a '69 Deluxe Reverb, below is a '64 Bandmaster... and I have a matching '64 Bandmaster I used to run stereo with it for larger gigs in my younger days. Now, it's a Strymon Iridium modeler. Does it sound as good as the real thing? Nope. But it sounds good enough to make the weight difference win out!

"Of course we've seen it... we're IN it!" - All the saints and angels. Thanks!!!

@@SquekretGenius420 - Thanks for the comment. I could've described myself with "sometimes I believe" at one point. Though I haven't watched the video yet, I think that's an impossible case to make. Jesus prayed/talked to God while on the cross, and even when He said, "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" was quoting from Psalm 22, which was a prophecy about the death of the Messiah. I'll be praying for you! I hope you stay on your search for truth, and end up with Jesus. Thanks again.

@@thinkingtoinfinity Well, he calls himself a Christian Atheist, which is probably why he sees it that way. It could be interesting to see a video that challenges his worldview. I only watched one brief video highlighting where his lack of belief in an actual, real God comes from. As for myself, I do still pray. Today, I prayed twice, asking God questions, which must seem funny since I don't always believe there is an actual being called God. But then other times, I do. I'm not really expecting to get an answer or hear the voice of God in my head like James Earl Jones. I've always had this part inside of me that's cold, and I've always had a tendency to look around at people and the world and say, "What a joke." Another part of me wants there to be a savior, not just for me, but for others who have lives far worse than mine-people whom most of us try our best to forget even exist.

@@SquekretGenius420 - The Bible does encourage us to talk to God (pray), though we aren't promised that we'll hear something back (though rare, it is possible). David, among others in the Bible, regularly asked God questions and expressed doubts and heartaches to Him. He can handle it and welcomes our interactions - though He deserves our being respectful as we do that. I, and others I know, have struggled with that coldness. I think it often comes from being disillusioned with other people based on our past, especially if we were abused, victimized, or betrayed by someone. I continually pray that Jesus will help me see people the way He does and treat them accordingly. I think it's a valid prayer to ask God to make Himself known to us. He rarely does it in an overt physical way, but I've known many people who say God answered that prayer for them.

Hi @benbenson195 - Thanks for watching! To understand that (or any) verse, it's important to look at the entire passage, the chapter, and often the reason the book / letter was written. 1 Corinthians is mostly Paul correcting the Corinthian church for things they're getting wrong; overindulgence on food/wine instead of proper reverence for communion, turning a blind eye to (even celebrating) egregious sin, and not respecting God's structure for authority within the church and people's homes, among other things. Through this chapter, Paul is pointing out how women were dressing in an immodest fashion, for their day. He points out that the *head* of a man is Christ, the *head* of a woman is the church and they "bring shame on their *head*" when they dress inappropriately. In short, a woman who intentionally looks like a street walker is shameful to her husband and a man who intentionally looks like a woman is shameful to Jesus. "Long hair" on men in those days was much longer than just a Beatles mop top. There are other Biblical references to men with long hair that aren't seen as an "abomination", so I don't think it's merely shoulder-length hair that is the issue. Also, Paul says "Does not the very *nature* of things" show that long hair on a man is a disgrace. He doesn't mean "nature" as the way the world naturally is, because hair grows on men's and women's heads in the same way. Rather, he's pointing to the cultural perceptions. My current understanding of this: Long hair on a guy who looks like a guy? Not a problem. Long hair on a guy because he's trying to look effeminate, rebel against gender roles, align with cultural influence, etc.? No bueno. Probably a good topic for a future video!

@@thinkingtoinfinity so in short. It’s the intention rather than the physical length of the hair?

@@Ben_Benson. - I think that's the issue, exactly.

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Hi @DavoRavo - thanks for presenting this. I think those statements can sound convincing if we limit ourselves to those particular verses and that interpretation. But as mentioned in the video, Matthew 10 uses the Greek word for "destroy", which just means to overthrow, ruin, or make useless (i.e. if the county is gathering and destroying certain weapons - those weapons won't vanish, they'll be made useless and discarded somewhere undesirable), not annihilate. Especially in light of Revelation 20:10 - 15, which states that anyone whose name is not in the Book of Life will be thrown into the Lake of Fire (along with Death and Hades), and will "be tormented day and night, forever and ever" there, which clearly refutes annihilation.

Hi, @TheFinalJigsaw! I did an earlier episode that mostly sums up my opinion. Apologies for mispronouncing "Arminianism" throughout the video! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gNaHaJaYzMzLnJs.htmlsi=VPg8k02YtYzlCxld

Hi @BarroBurro - thanks so much for watching, commenting, and the avalanche of info/questions. ☺ I'll try to address all the issues you presented. My apologies if I miss some points. 1) If your closest friends and a couple of reporters compiled and wrote down confirmable information about you and their stories agreed on what you said, no one would think, "We have no idea if BarroBurro really said these things!" Jesus is the most confirmable, attested-to person in ancient history, by far. It doesn't matter that Jesus didn't personally author the books Himself. We don't doubt other historical figures and their teachings/quotes merely because they didn't pen them with their own hand. 2) Yes, Jesus is often quoted as saying people go there forever. I included verses in the video to support this. 3) I'm not sure what Jewish concepts of Sheol you're referring to. As mentioned, there are other Jewish writings that referred to "Gehenna" in the same way, dating well before Jesus's lifetime (as early as when Babylonians threw Jews into the fire pits there, calling it the "Valley of Slaughter"). The Talmud supports this. I disagree that Jesus's references are vague. To counter your point that He "would have discussed it more in depth" - the disciples and other Jews listening seemed to know what He was talking about, as they often asked Him for clarification on topics they didn't understand. 4) "Eternal" etymology (Greek: εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον) - yes, it can be translated ageless or timeless, but the underlying meaning doesn't change. Existing in a realm without time (not being annihilated) means linear time doesn't exist. So you are in a never-ending state of being... call it eternal, timeless, forever, stuck in a loop... the point is, your state of existence doesn't change. 5) The earliest Christians and the church leaders (who wrote the Bible!) clearly did not support reincarnation (Hebrews 9:27, 2 Cor. 5:8, as cited in the video). Many heretical sects popped up early on (Gnostics, for example), but those outliers never held the original or majority view. Thanks again - I appreciate you watching and interacting!

@@thinkingtoinfinity You're welcome. I also appreciate your own willingness to engage and discuss. Yes, I'm aware there are verses in the Bible that could be interpreted as contradicting reincarnation. However, there's little basis for the idea that disbelief in reincarnation was a majority view among pre-Romanized Christianity, and there's even less basis (zero basis, in fact) for assuming the view of the majority is necessarily the correct view. By the way, have you encountered Philip Langdon's content? Whilst at Angkor Wat (Buddhist temple area in Cambodia) he ascended (became an Angel). He has some interesting insight on the symbolism surrounding Jesus. 🙏♥

@@Real_Lion_of_Judah - I'm not yet familiar with Philip Langdon or his claims, but thanks for sharing!

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Hi, Monica. The Bible clearly states that our trust in Jesus (believing He is the Son of God, His death atoned for our sins, and His resurrection guarantees us eternal life) is what saves us. We, as followers of Jesus, must strive to abstain from sin, but our salvation is NOT contingent on how often we mess up on our journey of sanctification. I can't speak on specifics for avoiding the sins you're struggling with, so if you have a good church near you, or an elder Christian you respect who is understanding of what you're going through, I'd recommend reaching out to ask about counseling. Just know you're not alone concerning the questions you have, nor with the struggles you face. I'm praying for peace for you and hope you find some comfort and freedom soon.

@@thinkingtoinfinity Thank you for your encouraging words God Bless you

Monica, there was a sin I struggled with for over 10 years. I would feel guilty and ask for forgiveness each time, but I would keep repeating the sin. Sometimes, I could go a week or so without it. It never lasted longer than a month without repeating the sin in some form. Well, back in February, I had had enough. I started praying beyond forgiveness. I started praying for God to help me overcome this sin. I prayed for Jesus to help me. Anytime, I felt the temptation come on, I prayed for Jesus to banish Satan's temptation from my thoughts. It's gotten to the point where I rarely have the temptation. When I do, I still pray. I have had 2 dreams since stopping. In both, I rejected the sin and called on Jesus in the dream for help. Personally, I think that if you're saved and ask God and Jesus to help you with your sin and truly make an effort to call on them each time, God will answer your prayer with a "yes" and help you. Am I still a sinner almost 9 months later? Yes. I sin in many ways. However, I have not sinned that particular sin since February 2023. I feel free from it. I praise God every night with a high five. I feel closer to God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit (who also helps me daily) than I ever have before. I can't guarantee that it'll work. Still, God is a prayer away. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit don't want us to sin. They'll help.

Hi @Waxican - I agree, nothing new. This has been discussed already in these comments, and many other places. God can say He wants all to be saved (true) and wants everyone to choose their own eternal fate (also true). Those aren't mutually exclusive. I want my kids to make smart life decisions, but I also don't want to force them to only do what I choose for them. Sometimes that means I'm heartbroken by their decisions. God is no different in that regard. But the "God won't save everyone" option doesn't equal Him being unloving or not good. He won't force us to choose Him, otherwise why even pretend to give us a choice? Giving you a choice shows love and respect for your autonomy.

@@thinkingtoinfinity yes they are mutually exclusive. The difference being that I don’t put my kids into an eternal fire for not following my prescripts. I also don’t get to sit there and cry about how I wish I could have saved them from an eternal fire but still respect their autonomy. No same parent would respect the autonomy of their child to run in the street, sometimes a good parent does override the free will of their child for their own benefit. Also, let’s not pretend like there aren’t plenty of instances of God overriding the free will of people in the OT, it’s stated that God is not a respecter of persons. If he wants all to be saved, again he either can’t, won’t, or lied.

@@Waxican - First, thanks for the conversation! I'm enjoying the exchange. I still disagree about the mutual exclusivity. I think describing it as "I put my kids in an eternal fire for not following my prescripts" is grossly inaccurate. What God is (a perfect being) is as important here as who He is. His perfection is like the sun. Our sin makes us broken, like shadows. Shadows CAN'T exist on the surface of the Sun just like unholiness CAN'T exist next to God. The only place sin can eternally exist is entirely removed from God (Hell)... He's the source of goodness, love, light, etc., so Hell is the absence of those things. Yes, He wants us to be with Him. Yes, He also wants us to willingly choose to be with Him. Because forcing someone to love you is impossible... and creepy. He makes prescripts for us, because He knows they're what's best for our lives and our eternal souls. Nobody tells their kids to avoid crystal meth because it's not fun... it's obviously immensely pleasurable, but it'll mess up their life and kill them. Sin is the same. With the child in the street analogy, that kid doesn't know better. We do. We've all had decisions before us and we KNEW we were choosing the bad option and did it anyway. Jesus came to inform us, offer a way for redemption, and change us to have HIS light inside us (so our spirits aren't "shadows" anymore and can be near God / on the Sun - woot!). God happily chucking souls into an incinerator is the wrong idea. He's pleading with us to choose Him and not stay shadows. Jesus died jumping in front of that car to save us. Yes, there are Biblical accounts of God "hardening someone's heart", like Pharaoh, who was already determined to defy God, in order to save/show Himself faithful to the people He was protecting. He didn't overrule anyone's will to choose Him. The alternatives? Not making humans at all. Not giving humans a choice (making robots). But for us to be able to intentionally choose to love Him, a "not-God" alternative has to exist. Choose that and we lose all the stuff God is the source of... Hell is the leftovers.

@@thinkingtoinfinity Revelations says he throws people into the fire, is he doing it regretfully? Is he crying as he throws them into the eternal fire, man if it bothers him so much maybe he should just not make the punishment eternal; tell God to stop being such a crybaby. Great answer, God could have chosen to just not create, but he knew a majority wouldn’t pick him and he said “I want to create anyway.”

@@thinkingtoinfinity nothing wrong with God making rules or even for their being punishments for breaking them, you’re right in that rules can be good and for our benefit. Problem is lots of god’s rules are stupid (make sure you don’t boil your goat in it’s mother’s milk guys) and the punishments for breaking them are eternal fire, extremely sadistic overkill.

Agreed that human conclusions don't change the reality of what God sets in place. Re: 1) There is a lot of doubt about purgatory. Do you mean you personally don't doubt the existence of purgatory? I'm curious what convinced you, if so. Also agreed that avoiding hell is as simple as receiving the gift of salvation Christ provides for us. We can't entirely know anyone else's ultimate fate, though we can know our own based on what Jesus revealed about hell (and who goes there), and be assured of our salvation through Him.

Ok, you send yourself to hell by your own actions . The tenth commandment is not to covet, even in your thoughts. What happens if you covet your neighbors wife at bedtime and die in your sleep, do you go straight to hell?

@@kenhoyer8601 - Thanks for the question! It isn't an on/off switch that flips on a per-sin basis. The Bible states in the New Testament that if/when people who put their trust in Jesus for their salvation screw up (sin), the "grace of Christ covers us" - meaning if we aren't willingly giving up on following Christ's instructions on how we should live, He covers that one too. We SHOULD ask forgiveness. The thief on the cross next to Jesus, who Jesus told would be in heaven with Him, had no time to apologize for everything he did wrong. Didn't take communion, attend church, or any of that. God knows if we're sincere or not. There are a lot of verses that speak to our salvation being secure and not in danger of slipping away because we aren't 100% perfect - and also addressing the other side of that: No, we do not get a license to sin as a result.

Hi Buck! Thank you for the comment. I'm totally agreed with you that this is all in God's purview. Ultimately, we can rely on Him to know what He's doing. 🙂 Worth stating, as mentioned in the video, that word for "destruction" doesn't mean annihilation in the original Greek. It's like if I say a tree destroyed my car. It's useless; ruined, but it hasn't vanished. Revelation 20:10 states that those thrown into the Lake of Fire (along with Death and Hades) will suffer "day and night forever and ever", which I think clearly eliminates any possibility of annihilation. It's distasteful to me too. It would feel nicer to say everyone eventually gets redeemed or they just vanish from existence after a while, but I don't think the Bible gives us that option... it just doesn't appear to be true. And being convinced of God's just, good character inspires me to trust Him with this. Thanks again! Hope you have a great day.

Hi, James. Thanks for watching! I've studied the New Testament, specifically Christ's words to Peter, and church history. I respectfully disagree that Jesus's intent was to found a specific organization that became the Catholic church. We have historical records of councils where people contradicted and overruled Peter for mistakes in his theology. Jesus clearly spoke against many practices that the Catholic church holds dear. He also warned that those who "don't obey His teachings" would be excluded from His kingdom, but never those who "aren't members of this particular institution." Those claims were made by men (who even claimed they had the power to outright overrule what Jesus said). Our allegiance should be to Jesus Christ, and following His teachings, not man-made organizations or the men on stage/in a chair whether Catholic or Protestant. My understanding is that the current and previous Pope support the idea of Universalism. If even they don't agree with this view, why should anyone else? Aside from men making claims about Jesus's words that give them authority to overrule scripture, what evidence would you point to in support of your claim of Roman Catholic exclusivism? I'm genuinely curious.

Did you watch the video? Your statement doesn't align at all with what the Bible says about it or Christian belief. That's not what anybody believes. Like saying, "Yeah - That father loves his kid so much he's willing to pay money to let a stranger assault him with a power tool?!" about a dad taking his kid to the dentist. If you start from an inaccurate accusation, and maintain it even when it's called inaccurate by the people you're making fun of, you'll never move beyond being scared that your view is wrong.

@@thinkingtoinfinity that makes no sense.

@@kenhoyer8601 - Sorry. Which part?

@AstroResponds - Hi! Thanks for watching. Yes, He did quite a few times. Though he didn't say the exact words "Hi everybody, I'm God." in a particular verse, He did say it clearly. If I said, "I live in Chicago", someone could technically say, "Gregory never claimed to live on planet Earth!" but I can't live in Chicago without also living in Illinois, and America, and on planet Earth. He was executed specifically for claiming to be God (John 5:18, John 8:57-58, John 10:33) and referred to Himself using the title of God, translated as "I am". These are just a few examples. Thanks!

@@thinkingtoinfinity ok! Then there was also a beggar in bible who said "I am" means he is also a god?

@@AstroResponds - Good question. There's a huge, clear language difference between the title for God that was TRANSLATED as "I am" and merely responding, "I am" when someone asks a beggar if he's smelly. Also, those claims need to be backed up. There were many people around Christ's time who were claiming to be the Messiah. They didn't perform miracles though. They also didn't fulfill prophecies written hundreds of years before they were born (confirmed by ancient documents found with the Dead Sea Scrolls, including many details Jesus couldn't fake such as where He would be born). They died and didn't come back. Our calendar isn't divided because of the impact they had on history. Jesus's claims had verification. We're not merely taking His word for it.

Hi @vonbass1300 - Thanks for the comment! Our spirits are eternal. Jesus gives "eternal life" to those who choose Him, all others are already "dead" in their sins (Col. 2:13, Eph. 2:1). Respectfully, taking a literal, physical view of "death" with these passages is the same mistake Adam and Eve made. When God talks about life and death (as the wages for sin or eternal life), He's not merely talking about our earthly bodies staying animated. Spiritual death = no Eternal Life with God = eternal torment. See below. Yes, Revelation 20:14 says "Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire." Skip up to verse 10 though... "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur... There they will be tormented day and night FOREVER AND EVER." The Lake of Fire is a container or realm where these beings are placed, and they remain tormented there. Their state of existence clearly doesn't change. What scripture says the Lake of Fire annihilates what goes into it? I'm supporting Jesus, John, and Paul's points about eternity here, so I agree with Paul's statement about rejecting a different message, but not your application. I also agree (and state in the video) that Jesus wasn't trying to scare people or use fear as a tactic. Though the first apostles did not make converts by speaking of God's love (See the entire book of Acts), they focused on Jesus being King and Messiah. Paul probably didn't feel very "loved" getting knocked off his donkey and struck blind. God's love is very real. It should be a major motivating factor in our lives. Looking at how Jesus presented it, God's judgment is also just as real and worthy of giving balanced attention to. That's how He presents Himself throughout the Bible.

@@thinkingtoinfinity I think the idea that man is immortal somehow is coloring the way you are seeing this topic. 1 Timothy 6:15-16 ....God who alone has immortality. Man is made from the dust of the ground, God breathes into him the breath of life, and he becomes a living being, or a living soul. (Genesis 2:7) God tells Adam that if he eats from the tree that he would die. Death was the punishment for sin, to stop being alive. (Gen 2:17) Genesis 3:19 God explains their punishment "in the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; For dust you are , and to dust you shall return. Romans 6:23 tells us that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is Eternal life in Christ Jesus our lord. Jesus was sent into the world to give us eternal life/immortality and save us from perishing (John 3:16) The bible uses words like, destroyed, perish, die, consumed, mortal, second death. None of those words mean "keep living and being tormented forever." The God who loved us in the way Jesus showed us, who forgave us while we were still sinners and his enemies (Romans 5:6-10) and who taught us to forgive our enemies, is suddenly going to torment the lost for eternity. Or even worse what some Christians think, torture people for ever, is such a horrible thing to say against God. Jesus paid the price for our sins, he died for us. That was the penalty for our sins, death. There is a hell, And like Jesus taught in Luke 12:48 there are degrees of punishment. And after that evil will be destroyed along with death. But that's after the resurrection and judgement. Why have a resurrection, so that this mortal can "put on immortality" as Paul says, if we are already immortal. Sorry if this is too long, I shortened it a lot. I subscribed to your channel, God bless you.

​@@vonbass1300 - I agree that my choice of words confused the issue a but here. I'm sorry for the error there. I think the Bible is clear that only God is Eternal (no beginning or end). Humans, physically, have a beginning and end (temporal). Humans, spiritually, have a beginning, but no end (not eternal, but existing forever from his/her point of creation) Jesus offers us eternal "life" instead of eternal "death", i.e. *remaining* spiritually dead in our sins. I point out in the video how those original Hebrew and Greek words, including "destroy", most often mean made useless, ruined, etc. Similarly, if I say I destroyed my car, it doesn't mean the car has vanished from existence. It still exists, but it's useless. You didn't address the verses in Revelation 20 which clearly state they will be tormented "day and night forever and ever" *after* being thrown into the Lake of Fire. How is that explained with your view? There's also the promise of *new* bodies, like Jesus's, which will have a beginning, but no end. Looking forward to that... especially when I sleep in a weird position like I did last night! 😬😉 Thanks very much for watching, subscribing, and commenting! God bless you as well. Hope you have a wonderful day.

@@thinkingtoinfinity I think it's unwise to make doctrine off of anything in Revelation that doesn't have a second or third witness in another book. The apocalyptic language is not exactly straight forward, and it's style is "over the top" for lack of a better way to say it. The lake of fire, which was created for the devil and his angels, at Revelation 20:10 And the devil was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfer where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Whose being tormented? The devil, the beast, and the false prophet. Right before this happens it says that "I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus...and those who had not worshipped the beast...Or received his mark....THEY CAME BACK TO LIFE and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The Rest of the dead Did NOT come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:4-6. So, the tribulation saints were resurrected first, their bodies are raised and changed according to Paul. And everyone else, the rest of the dead, does not come back to life until the thousand years is over. They aren't living on somewhere else. Our hope is in the resurrection of the dead. Jesus said at the end he would raise us from the dead and give us eternal life, no more dying, immortality. Then Satan is tossed in the lake of fire, then in verse 11-15 ...and I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before the throne, and the books were opened. So everyone is resurrected and then judgement. Verse 13 says the sea, death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire, this is the second death, and anyone who's name was not found in the book of life, he Is thrown into the lake of fire (verse 15) Human beings are a body with the breath of life breathed into us. When we die we return to the ground and the spirit(breath) returns to God who gave it. Death is death, dead, no longer existing. That's why we need to be resurrected, and then given eternal life/immortality which changes these bodies into our spiritual bodies, but they are still us, see Jesus resurrection as the model. He said touch me, see that it's me. A spirit doesn't have flesh and bones as you see I do. That's what we will be. You said if you destroyed your car it would mean it was made useless, ruined but it wouldn't vanish from existence, it still exists. If you "destroyed" your car, lets say, threw it in an active volcano, where it perished, was destroyed, it would cease to exist. It doesn't have a spiritual copy of itself driving around in some other area. And as far as the Bible tells us, neither do we. And that's why at the judgement, people need to be resurrected physically to be there. That's why when they are thrown into the lake of fire, it's the seconds death for them. Where they will perish. You said "humans spiritually have a beginning, but no end(not eternal, but existing forever from his or her point of creation) Jesus offers us eternal "life" instead of eternal "death" ie remaining spiritually dead in our sins." That's just not Biblical. And if man has no end he is immortal, so Jesus offer to give us immortality is not real because we already have it? You are spiritualizing the words to mean something else, actually to mean the opposite of what they are saying. When the bible said the wages of sin is death, you say no, the wages of sin is Eternal life/immortality with constant torment. When it says you will die, you say you won't actually die, you will live forever in another reality being tormented forever. Perish, destroy, die, none of those words mean what they mean? God kicked Adam and Eve out of the garden so they would not eat from the tree of life and live forever in their fallen sinful state. It was a loving thing to do. But your version has them getting kicked out but still living forever in their sinful state to be tortured forever. Jesus promise to raise us from the dead and to give us eternal life, it means just that. Like Paul said, this mortal must put on immortality. That's the gift of God. It's something we do not have. Our immortality is conditional on Receiving God's gift in Jesus. Sorry this is so long. 1 Corinthians 15:53, Romans 2:7, John 5:24

@@vonbass1300 - Hi again! I’m glad to chat with you, pal. But… to be clear, we started talking about Revelation because you accused me of “bringing a different message” from what the Bible teaches, then you (incompletely) cited Revelation. I responded, explaining the full view of that chapter you cited, not merely one verse. You avoided even addressing that until I held you to it (with no apology for the baseless “your message should be rejected” accusation, btw). Now, after you say we shouldn’t base anything of substance on Revelation, you spend most of this comment citing… *Revelation* to defend your points. I’m confused, to say the least. The Greek word for destroy did not mean annihilate. Regardless of a car wreck, or a volcano as our analogy, that original word did not and does not mean annihilate. Similarly, your “THEY CAME BACK TO LIFE” - which is ἔζησαν (ezēsan). Very few translators agree with that verbiage. The most accepted translation is: They lived and reigned. Obviously, they became physically dead when their heads were removed. John is pointing out they are spiritually alive. But even if every translator agreed on “they came back to life”, the time between their death and living with Christ isn’t discussed and it doesn’t imply in any way they were *spiritually* dead prior to this point. In fact, earlier, in Revelation 6, the martyred saints are pleading for justice from God. How does that jive with your statements? Respectfully, you seem to be doing some serious acrobatics to get around these issues. We need to look at the whole of scripture and measure this all together, not just cherry-pick the verses that support our view and shrug off the ones we don’t like. “And as far as the Bible tells us, neither do we.” Jesus spoke of Lazarus & the rich man - an account which obviously happened prior to Christ’s resurrection. These souls weren’t dead, unanimated, non-existent beings. They weren’t “alive” in the physical sense, and their souls had no “eternal life” that comes through Christ alone, but they possessed awareness (the rich man was in torment from the fire). Back to the Revelation passage, Death and Hades “gave up the dead who were in it”, and when those people’s names were not found in the Book of Life, they were cast into the Lake of Fire, where it says there is suffering day and night, forever and ever. This language is so clear, because it obviously needs to be. If those beings were unaware until they were ejected from Hell (not suffering, just lights out), then immediately come alive to burn up and vanish, that would be in direct contradiction to all Jesus said on the issue. “When we die we return to the ground and the spirit(breath) returns to God who gave it. Death is death, dead, no longer existing.” What are you basing this statement on? Jesus’s Lazarus account (not a parable!) disagrees with your statement. Paul also spoke of being absent from the body meaning being “present” with God or “living in God’s presence”, not merely absorbed into God as some unanimated life-force. Moses and Elijah appeared on the mountain with Jesus (Matt. 17). If they were blacked out until then, I think that account would have gone differently. The Bible also mentions how a great cloud of witnesses (believers and heroes of the faith who are physically deceased) are aware of our accomplishments for the Kingdom. So, yes, the Bible indeed tells us we don’t cease to exist after death. I’m using life/death language as Jesus did, not in a modern English sense. Like when Jesus referred to dead people as sleeping. If you think of someone who experiences something incredible and yells, “Now THIS is living!” you’d know they mean they are elated, not that they’ve just begun existing. Jesus’s offer for eternal life for us doesn’t mean we’re spiritually UNborn (dead, nonexistent), it requires we be born AGAIN, but it’s TRUE Eternal life, (Now THIS is living!) not merely eternally existing (in a state of Eternal punishment). When He offers us Eternal Life, He never presents it as the alternative to just having the lights go out. Never. He always pairs it with Eternal punishment (described as such) and suffering as the only other outcome.

Hi @man-yp1gb - thanks for the comment! If a book has errors, does that make everything in it untrue? I have lots of great instructional art and music books than contain typos and other errors, but the important stuff is still true. I agree, the Bible does contain minor "errors", but even atheist historians like Bart Ehrman agree that none of them change the core message of the Bible, contradict archeological corroboration, or alter any of the teachings of Jesus. It's not make-believe. It's weighing evidence.

@@thinkingtoinfinity written history is full of man made errors, I agree on that. But I don't need to accept any of it to waste my life on these ideas or written doctrines. That's the difference. When I play a board game with poor instructors I simply play something else or make up rules fully knowing it's a incomplete game and at that it's just a game. Think about that. 🤔

@@man-yp1gb - Respectfully, your second sentence seems like the very a priori "blind faith" decision you've accused me of. Is your decision truly based on evidence, or did you assume this was a "waste of your life" before you've fully examined the available evidence? That's an understandable approach when it's just a game. Eternity has far greater stakes that I'm personally not content with considering "just a game" without fully examining it. We've all been wrong before -- sometimes over small issues, sometimes over something with major repercussions. I don't want anyone to be wrong about this.

@@thinkingtoinfinity Caesar Augustus never issued a decree of a empire census. Without the bible prove me wrong!

@@man-yp1gb - Why are you changing the topic without addressing my last reply to you? But on your note, it's a disingenuous way to argue to say, "Prove me wrong based on my parameters." But there are multiple extra-Biblical documents that, together, support the possibility of a census, even though we haven't found specific evidence from ancient Rome (yet) about that particular census. Here's a summary: crossexamined.org/really-census-time-caesar-augustus/

Well, that's not very nice. 🥺 Seriously, thanks for watching. Though using insults instead of addressing the philosophical and scientific reasons behind a view are called "ad hominem" attacks and they don't deal with the issues or ideas at hand. I think it's better to have rational, respectful discussions about these things. May the best ideas win. I hope you have a great day.

You can simply point out the contradictions in the bible as a not so instructional book. Now the deity has to explain those mistakes.

Hi @man-yp1gb - I replied to your original comment as well. This made me think of J. Warner Wallace's work (he was a successful Cold Case Detective), where he explains how the multiple eyewitnesses in the Bible having a insubstantial inconsistencies actually supports the truth of the Bible. When multiple eyewitnesses in an investigation all tell the same story with the exact same details, that's how you know they've pre-planned their story. The mistakes are easily explained and don't change the core message of the Bible at all.

@jacobfrazier2203 - Why? Do you hate it because you don't think it's a valid way to think about the issue, or because you don't like the implications, or something else?

@@thinkingtoinfinity If you where to buy a car wouldn't you like to know everything about it before buying it?. Or would you just take the seller's word that it works fine. You seem to be sold on just vague history and details and most lack of solid proof and evidence. Having faith is a cop out for not caring about the real truth.

@@man-yp1gb - First question - yes, of course! I disagree completely with your accusation though. I was an agnostic (leaning atheist) before deciding to study the available evidence on hand. My above comment was citing a detective on analyzing claims for their validity. I have another video (cited in this one) examining the evidence for and against the existence of the historical (not Divine) Jesus. I cite many atheist historians, scholars, and archeologists in that video. Blind faith isn't reliable, I agree. But TRUST based on evidence is FAITH based on evidence. I encourage everyone to strive to be objective studying these things. Jesus wasn't the only person who claimed to be the Messiah, but He's the only one who has any (actually VAST amount of) evidence to support His claim.