Badre Bally facts 💯💯.

One you thought you had all the answers...I flip the script.

The one line that Leto said that actually made sense as the joker *ear r@pe clap sound* “I’m an ideeeeaa!!”

To be fair Leto never got an actual chance

2016 never happened. We do not acknowledge 2016. 2016 Joker *never* happened.

The thing about Jared Leto’s Joker people don’t understand is that he is a modern take on the Golden Age Joker of the 1930s. Whereas the Bronze/Modern Age Joker focuses on the mentally ill, sadistically crude humor of a literal madman and the Silver Age of the 60s was portrayed as an eccentric prankster, the Golden Age Joker was a straight up humorless mob boss who just happened to look like a clown. If anything the clown get up was simply used as an intimidation tactic as much as Batman is. In my opinion, Jared Leto’s version is the purest form of this character. No, I don’t think Leto’s Joker is actually insane ot was broken by his dive in the acid bath, I think he is just a sociopathic criminal who uses his appearance as a scare tactic and is not afraid to lean into his gimmick. I think Joaquin Phoenix is about as pure as the mentally ill Bronze Age Joker as we have seen while Cesar Romero is the epitome of the Silver Age. Funnily enough, I find Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger’s take time be an amalgamation of the Bronze and Golden Age. Jack Nicholson portrayed himself as the Golden Age gangster but throughout the film it’s pretty clear he is actually losing his mind (talking to the corpse of the burnt up man while no one else is in the room, other subtle differences). Meanwhile Heath Ledger seems crazy and unpredictable like the Bronze Age Joker but is really too organized and methodical to be insane. There are moments in the Batman interrogation scene where he actually talks to Batman as a human being and even recognizes empathy enough to be able to get in the heads of Bruce Wayne, Harvey Dent, Rachel and Michael Jai White’s character. In sum, the live action Jokers rank like this in terms of which Joker they are portraying: Cesar Romero (Silver Age) Jack Nicholson (Golden Age Impostor, Bronze Age Actual) Heath Ledger (Bronze Age Impostor, Golden Age Actual) Jared Leto (Golden Age) Joaquin Phoenix (Bronze Age) While I don’t think Jared Leto is the best Joker (I think he’s definitely behind Heath and Joaquin, maybe Jack) he’s definitely not terrible. I think if anything the market has been so saturated with the Bronze Age Joker that reverting to the gang leader of the Golden Age subverted audience expectation in such a way that the public lashed out. As a bonus, here’s who I think other Joker’s have represented: Zach Galifianakis (Silver Age) Alan Tudyk (Bronze/Silver Age Hybrid) Cameron Monaghan (Bronze Age as Jerome Valeska, Golden Age Impostor, Bronze Age Actual as Jeremiah Valeska) Mark Hamil (Bronze Age in the Arkham Series, maybe more Golden Age in BTAS) To clarify what Bronze Age Jokers Cameron Monaghan and Mark Hamil are portraying, I think Jerome Valeska was centered around Conduct Disorder and perhaps Intermittent Explosive Disorder. Jeremiah Valeska was certainly on the schizo-affective scale with hints of dissociative identity disorder. Meanwhile Mark Hamil’s Joker seems largely based on megalomania and narcissism with sadistic tendencies, potential reactive attachment disorder

He’s an _idea_

That's not really saying much

That kind of why I hate it. It's a gross hateful film. You can replace this chapter and it would not matter. I will give the credit to this movie the sociallyogical it's a interesting film. The character itself it's copy paste of other charters from other films/media. It's far from original.

Joshua C dude it’s and adaptation not and original film it’s not the same joker

I like the idea of a harleen ending.

@@shadowknight2171 From the takes I've seen, there is a few people who were not fond of the Bruce Wayne bits, especially the actual Murder of the Wayne Family a bit too tacky for what this film was trying to be.

Get a room!

At least Joaquin won an award for it

Then Wonder Woman and Aquaman. The rest is "meh", and Joss Whedon League is the worst.

The 80's Wolf I still love Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice but goddamn I’m tired of hearing people bash the movie. Do people ever notice their are other people in this world besides me that enjoyed the movie for what it was. I will admit Justice League was borderline boring and predictable. And also wanted to see Zack’s take on JL. Joss Whedon’s take looked so cookie cutter and had bad editing with terrible CGI background designs.

@@RalphJr-xp3hp Many people don't understand it, so they hate it. That is why they shift the goal posts when you have discussion. Until they say "if a movie needs to be explained its bad". They need to convince themselves they have the high ground xD

The 80's Wolf FACTS 💯💯💯💯. I agree.

King King he explains that

@@SenatorPartySocks k...my bad im at work..didnt get 2 finish video

@@KingKing-wr3vw then dont post a comment.

no it is a potential origin. They change it constantly, for example he isn't always Red Rood.

honestly i prefer it to Logan too

I think Arthur Fleck is the real Joker in this universe otherwise I don’t know what the point of the movie is if he wasn’t

Yeah but Joker usually uses weapons when he fights Batman

@@redengine6382 he tried to square up with em in the Arkham games

What the devil do you young people mean when you use _low-key_ as an adverb rather than an adjective? (Although I completely agree with you on your main point.)

Untrue. He only ever gets surprise attacks and cheapshot in on batman. He isnt an actual physical threat to batman.

@@DastardlyDavid69 to the Jokers credit he Puts up a good fight cuz he cheats etc. but yes he always Loses in a fist fight with Bats . Deathstroke can go toe 2 toe with bats imo

@@MrTwille i think under most writers batman even loses that fight. In old canon batman was more skilled but with slades enchanced status hes faster, stronger and doesn't get tired.

@@DastardlyDavid69 yea exactly but In new Canon they've kinda Nerfed Deathstroke to go toe 2 toe with Damien Wayne as a kid . Which annoys me .

Joker usually uses weapons when he fights Batman. He usually uses like a crowbar or something. He isn’t really a good fist fighter.

So explain the fact that there's a sequel coming out with Harley Quinn in it😂. The fact that yall think the Joker movie isn't about the actual Joker is comical to me. It's a different take on the Joker whilst also being a literal origin story of how he came to be. I will never buy the bullshit theory that Arthur is just some guy that inspires the real Joker years later cus to me that sounds like a load of horse shit.

oh shut the fuck up

Oh fuck, you’re right. I’m constantly confusing the two. My bad. Thanks for the clarification.

Jack Napier was only his name in Burton's Batman and the DCAU.

Don’t you play with my emotions. Static is in my top 3

what's your point?

Joker isn’t a rip off of taxi driver. The stories are completely different.

What makes it not good to you? Genuinely curious as I really enjoyed this movie.

No

i here alot of people saying it sucks unless you are willing to give an explanation, don't comment that it sucks on a video saying how good it is

I think this movie was great, it was a interesting character study with beautiful cinematography.

@@shadowknight2171 Glad you enjoyed it. Still doesn't change the facts about hollywood and what they are doing to movies nowadays

@@23heltar I'll comment whatever the hell I feel. What kind of world do you want? 23 you would make a great nazi. Want me to apologize for my comment that offended you to??

Then you are blessed.

It is a masterpiece. There are just too many good things about it. Realism, relatability, pissing off certain shitty people, great story, etc.

oh shut the fuck up

Your just another hater