The hardest thing I've found is no shop I've talked to has multiple shorter shaft options and they also never try to keep the swingweight the same. I get told to grip down, and the head weight won't make a difference, or we can order it whatever way after I buy it. Going in to get fit doesn't do much good if you can't test exactly what you are going to buy.

Another gem of a video bruh! Love these videos that highlight the importance of a proper fitting. I currently game my driver length at 44 1/2 in and I’m 6’2”. I have never hit more fairways then I have now with a shorter shaft and have not sacrificed any distance either in fact, I have gotten a bit longer off the tee.

The most overlooked aspect of fitting...great for you to bring to light Mark!!! I am 6’2’ with long arms and I use a 44” Driver with fantastic results!!! Thanks again for great video.

Finally, a knowledgeable answer! Tons of bad advice on KZfaq about how no Pros go longer than 45”, so no one should. I absolutely hit better with a longer shaft. When I use a 45” driver, I only hit well when the butt of the grip is in the middle of my palm.

What's up, Mark?! You're always coming through with the dope golf videos! Always honored to hear my music in them! Much love, bro!

I had my X2Hot measured and it came off the rack at nearly 46" long! I had it cut down to 44" before the season started and hotmelt added to properly swing weight it. Hit more fairways this year and drove the ball the straightest I have in 40 years of playing golf. Lost about 10 yards in potential length off the tee on average but I'd say my driving average distance is about the same because I hit the centre of the face more often. Handicap down into the single digits for the first time ever. Played off 11 or 12 last year. I would highly recommend to any golfer exploring this option and especially if you have a spare driver to experiment with.

I changed my wood lengths early this season and saw enormous gains...+22% fairways hit. Huge. D = 44" 3w = 42.5" 5w = 41"

Jack Nicklaus used a wooden driver with a 42 1/2 inch steel shaft. He did quite well with it, I believe.

These Titleist guys are the mutt’s nutts. They need their own cop show on Netflix - the charming, wiser middle aged guy who thinks his way analytically through each case, and the quietly cool young buck who doesn’t say much but kicks people’s arses when necessary.

Great info...when I was fitted for my Ping G400 it ended up at 44.75"... an inch shorter than the Ping standard...better accuracy with no loss of distance!!! The Ping rep did an excellent job of fitting me.

What a terrific Titleist trio! So informed, so knowledgeable, so inspiring. Thank you all.

I play the TS3 8.5* in a GD Tour AD-DI 6x shaft 44’ in length. I’m 5’9 with a 6’2 wingspan. Driver have always felt too long for me. I’m hitting so many more fairways now that I’ve got a shorter driver. I may have lost a few yards but i dont care at all. I’m already over 300 yards so who gives. Shorter is just easier to hit for me. I tee it up nice and low and swing easy. KABOOM!!!

Really great that the fitter kept the swing weight "similar". So many of these comparisons just switch shafts without changing the head weight. I play with a 45" driver and have started experimenting with 44 1/2.

I'm like coach, 43.5. It takes a bit to dial the swing weight back in but I can hit center face more confidently.

loved it. as you say "get fitted". I've just had a Titleist TS fitting.

Man the acoustics on that new driver are brilliant! Once again, contact and strike are King.

That test really presented differing results for each length. Kind of a wow.

These Titleist fellas really know their stuff, and can explain sometimes complex concepts that are so easily digestible, unlike Mark, who often loses me when he starts geeking out with launch monitor metrics. Amazing how a good golfer like Mark can intuitively make adjustments. Give me a driver of a different length than my own and there is no telling where that ball is going.

Hmmm It's a fact that Titliest have made their stock shaft offerings longer on the new drivers ,I've been using 44.50 for ages now and stuggled to hit good shots with the TS drivers at my fitting a couple of weeks ago ,banged in my 44.50 inch Diamana shaft with mid size grip in to the TS2 and was flushing it straight down the middle and longer than my 917 .What the Titliest fitter did not mention was that the average driver shaft length on the PGA tour is 44.50 inches ,he probably felt he couldent explain it that they are selling drivers longer than tour players are using ,nothing wrong with that if they want to keep up with Taylormade and co ,but most people would hit it better with a slightly shorter stick .

Man, Titleist really gave you premium service as a brand ambassador...this access is incredible.

I now play a 44.5 inch driver. Gave up a bit of distance but the big misses (to the right) have all but disappeared. Just working with tweaking head weight at the moment to get the right SW as losing an inch took me down into the high C range. The beauty of the modern driver is you can pick up some cheap shaft pulls off eBay with different lengths, flex etc and find what works best for you with a couple of turns of a torque wrench

Mark, are you now officially the new Titleist Test Robot. Your ability over the last few of these videos to predict your swing speed, angle of attack, spin and distance is mind blowing.

I’ve recently had 1/2 inch chopped off my driver and it’s made a big difference to my strike and accuracy, distance is more or less the same. I think part of it is psychological but I don’t care, I just want to hit fairways!

Technically satisfying. I'm going to test shorter drivers for sure.

I prefer a shorter driver currently using 44.5 but would not go over 45 now. Get more control,accuracy, and hit it just as long. Longer length often means harder to control.

This was another gem of a vlog.....more good reasons to get fitted and must remember to ask stupid questions as they might make sense.

Great vlog! Why do people put thumbs down. This is great technical information.

Very interesting. A change in length affects lie angle so I thought they might adjust that on the settings similar to swing weight. Good stuff

I want to see the course vlog with that titleist employee you played with mark

I just noticed #262k subscribers...that's a coincidence on a driver vid!

Great Video Mark, These guys really know what they are talking about. Good Stuff :)

In the 70s and 80s fitting was scarce but players could hit fairly well. Its making golf a lot more complicated than the good old days.

Very interesting comment about your back feeling it after using the long driver. After 2 back ops I will try a 3 wood shaft and see if there is much difference. Cheers bruh!!

Just had a fitting with a titleist rep. Fitted to 44.5. Cant wait for the quote to come in the email so I can order.

I have no idea how long my driver shaft is. I found the video really interesting! I'm looking for a new driver over winter and can't wait to test different lengths.

That's great stuff. Most viewers will be choking up on their drivers when they go to the range this weekend or when they play to see if it helps. I think grip size and feel are two factors that most don't think about when being fit. I would argue that what grip you have on the club would effect delivery as much as shaft length.

i use the length that was handed down to me.

The titleist fit guys are so professional, really enjoy these videos Mark.

great video again. I know people love to talk about drivers and these new ones are much easier to strike with the bigger club heads. Can you do a video that compares the benefits of using a 3 wood off the tee versus any driver you want to use, distance and dispersion comparison. All I would suggest is that the 3 wood selection is biased to hitting off a tee rather than the deck

Shows I was right to have 1" taken off my Driver ; average + 12 yards carry and feels better off the club-face - same driver shorter shaft 😀👍️⛳️

It seemed like ball position was more back in stance is that your normal position or was that done to compensate for shorter drivers

Crossfield swing very much on plane throughout, so he could probably play even 46 easily. Most people come over the top though, and longer shafts exaggerate that tendency - not good and shorter shaft better. I cut down from 45.75 to 44.5, tip weighted to D0 (45.75 was D3) and boom = easier to swing, a little flatter ballflight with a little less spin and a lot better dispersion with no loss in distance overall about 280 yards total on good hits hdc 4. By the way both fitters seem to know their job and very nice.

All the manufacturer's have a race getting out "longer than ever" drivers but it only means that the shafts are longer than ever. As said on other comments, most of the amateurs would benefit from shorter shaft. Better strikes increase ball speed more than longer shaft does. Also as center of the face is found more often, spin is reduced which again gets more distance. For most of us amateurs, shorter shaft = more ball speed, less spin -> more distance.

The guy in grey doesn’t seem to have that passion as the guy in blue. Great video Crosser!

Truly fascinating... I have a driver length that's cut down by an inch from what is standard off the rack. I love it because it feels shorter and to me it feels easier to hit...even though I'm still striking it all over the face... LOL. Seriously though, I see no real difference in distance off the tee with the length of the driver. Irregardless... Team Wild FTW!!! LOL

Loving this series. 3 v knowledgeable fellows chewing the cud

I bought a G400 max and I grip right down to the bottom of the grip. I actually hit it longer as I get a much more consistent strike. Will never look back.

I cut my driver down to 44" from about 45.25" and it felt super short, strike might have improved but I couldn't hit it as far. Overall wasn't a fan, its not like all the sudden it became super accurate so I just today put a shaft extension in it, going back to original length.

I’ve played my driver at 45” for a few years now. I did not loose any distance but I hit more fairways.

Brilliant love these vlogs. Your explanation is excellent Marcus spartucus

Quality content again Mark, cheers

Would love to spend a day with these two fine gentlemen. I would confidently predict that all clubs would be perfect for me. Great in sites for us normal people who generally deliver something different each time we address the ball.

Problem is most fitters and none that I’ve seen have any concern at all about shaft length and I’m 5’6”. I’d think that’s more important as a shorter bloke than someone at 6ft. They all seem more interested in shaft flex and weight and I suppose that’s a quick fix to get you out the door rather than a shaft modification that will need actual physical work and time to set.

Just watched this Mark. Interesting your spin was up on your normal. Any thoughts on what might be driving this, as presumably pretty centred striking as smash is so good

Lower launch with the shortest club. I wonder if they added more loft if carry would have been longer as it had the lowest spin.

4:25 I'll take your word for it Mark.

That titleist boy without the shades is sound. I like him. ⛳️

Shaft weight major consideration for longer length shafts. General 65-70 for most players, strong players plus 105 mph speed, 70-78. The more weight in shaft reduces the amount of extra head weight needed to balance swingweight. Driver static head weight should be at least 205 grams, up to about 210 grams. shaft flex is measured at 205 for flex frequency. Swingweight for drivers are overrated. Overall club weight is a major factor for most clubhead speed.

Raymondo did a build a driver for Rory .. If you pause the vid , you can see Rory Mcilroy his shaft is 45.25 ...

6’3 with a driver at 44” - it works for me 👍

Mark , do you know what weight changes were made in the club head?? Would love to know especially the 441/2 “ shaft ... another fantastic vid .. Thankyou and big thanks to Titleist

Mark, great video! I recently purchased the PING G400 Max driver (and love it)! However, it came with a standard 45.75" shaft. I'm hitting this club pretty straight, but noticed as I get tired later in the round, my drives tend to go a bit right. My question: If I decide down the road to shorten the shaft, how would that be accomplished? Would I have to order, say, a new 45.25" shaft, or can I have the current shaft shortened by a club fitter? And if so, would they need to add lead tape to the bottom of the club head to keep the swing weight at the current D3 SW?

Great video bruh keep them coming

Interesting that they adjusted the head weight but did not add loft to the shorter club.I remember watching video on Ricky Fowler going to a short driver and they added head weight and a couple of degrees of loft to optimize his numbers.

Question! Would gripping down on the driver give the same results as if you were to use a shorter shaft on your driver? Or is that just "knuckleball!!!" silly? 🤔⛳️🏌

That TS2? Driver sounds really good. I wish my local stocked anything Titleist besides hats.

Great information, Mark. What about choking down a half inch on the longer driver? Any difference?

For your average over the topper like yours truly, longer driver is so dangerous! The one time where you want less inches 😂

Very good stuff Mark ty sir ~

Interesting such small increments matter, 1/2 inch is around 12.5 mm. What about where you grip the club that could vary could it not?

I simply grip down for better control and distance

I took my bandsaw to a old driver took it down to about 42in for 5’8 it finds the fairway much better

All good for these guys but even at custom fitting it's almost impossible to try that variety of shaft lengths. Do Titelist offer this at custom fit these days?

So would you suggest gripping down on driver if you are hitting right??

I'd like to hear some ladies opinions on this. Does shaft length matter? It's been so long since I had the tip cut I don't remember the difference.

I struggled with a longer shaft so I did the same as @coachlockey and went with a shorter shaft and hit it so much better

My question is, is the shaft 45.5 without the head or is is like 44.25 plus head to make it 45.5?

You tee the ball lower than I see most pros, apparently. (I could see this with the last bunch of balls.)Typically half the ball sits above the driver at address, I’ve been consistently told. I imagine that matches with a flatter attack angle and a bit higher spin.

Interesting I’ve had a inch taken off my drivers for the last 12-13 years 1.5 last 3-5 always felt I had more control

Can someone help answer? Say the driver is 45.5, but you choke up a half inch. Wouldn’t that then play like the 45? I’m debating on getting fitted for a driver myself. Not sure how much shaft flex matters, but apparently length does

Hobbit club. YOU...SHALL..NOT...PASS... 262 yards!!! 44 inch driver for me, being a 5'7" Hobbit and all. Companies are selling drivers with longer shafts because when they put these longer drivers on a swing robot, the longer swing arc will automatically cause the ball to go further, and then they can brag about how long their drivers are. Quite disingenuous.

So how much would the data played if the sample.size was larger. Would there be a statistical difference comparing shafy lenghths between half dozen shots v 1000 shots? I wonder.

I’ve been playing 43.5” for 30 years. Never going longer.

#262 subs party time Mark! Come on! 🕺🎂👍#stopit

It's well documented that Tiger Woods used a 43.5" driver for most of his career. Lately he is hovering around 44 1/4 to 44.5. These ultra long shafted drivers of today are a scam. When you hook them up to a robot of course they will produce longer numbers but regular humans can't really control that kind of length. Learn from Tiger.

45 inch driver on my PING GMAX 400, gives me tighter dispersion

I will so get a 47.5 inch driver!

Why do they not let you have a driver over 48” because you hit the ball a lot longer with a longer shaft. I use a 48” driver which suits me, I know that not a lot of golfer can use a 48” one. Just wish I could have a 50” driver.

My miss is right, low heel

Im yet to find a fitter that has various lengths of shafts when doing a driver fitting.

That guy on the left is a consummate professional

So get fitted 👍

Smart men found out long ago that length is not all that matters :-)

1 inch is not enough different to even say so why not try 43 or even 42

The problem with this is people think they can just go and shorten their current shafts. Doing that changes more than just the length of your driver....

Long Tom for me. Not a woolly wanker. I get it out 300 Metres at times in comp. But this guy is clearly longer than most PGA players.

Perhaps @coachlockey should use a rinky shaft in his driver 😂

Mark aren't you going to paris??

How tall for Mark Crossfield.

You play driver in the middle of your stance?