The hardest thing I've found is no shop I've talked to has multiple shorter shaft options and they also never try to keep the swingweight the same. I get told to grip down, and the head weight won't make a difference, or we can order it whatever way after I buy it. Going in to get fit doesn't do much good if you can't test exactly what you are going to buy.
@jagpilotohio Жыл бұрын
“Fitting” most places is a joke because of the lack of swingweight adjustments. And by the way…If you just “grip down” you are dramatically changing the size of the grip in your hands and you are absolutely experiencing a lower swingweight. It’s complete bullshit that gripping down doesn’t change the effective swingweight. The more you choke down on any club, the lower the effective swingweight gets.
@paulmetzger41655 жыл бұрын
Another gem of a video bruh! Love these videos that highlight the importance of a proper fitting. I currently game my driver length at 44 1/2 in and I’m 6’2”. I have never hit more fairways then I have now with a shorter shaft and have not sacrificed any distance either in fact, I have gotten a bit longer off the tee.
@santiagodeponce93905 жыл бұрын
The most overlooked aspect of fitting...great for you to bring to light Mark!!! I am 6’2’ with long arms and I use a 44” Driver with fantastic results!!! Thanks again for great video.
@edmundojrsichon16644 жыл бұрын
Is that 44" shaft or 44" total length including head?
@flex_flex69882 жыл бұрын
Yea but ima 5”5 need like a 39” driver or 40” shaft
@KenPotter2 жыл бұрын
Finally, a knowledgeable answer! Tons of bad advice on KZfaq about how no Pros go longer than 45”, so no one should. I absolutely hit better with a longer shaft. When I use a 45” driver, I only hit well when the butt of the grip is in the middle of my palm.
@iamryanlittle5 жыл бұрын
What's up, Mark?! You're always coming through with the dope golf videos! Always honored to hear my music in them! Much love, bro!
@FC-ch8ch5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ryan, what song of yours did Mark use on this link, really like this tune but cannot find it on your page: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iMioeZSQvKeyXYk.html
@5wisher5weet5 жыл бұрын
Japan
@cwugrad3965 жыл бұрын
Ryan Little the music is just awesome my man
@johnnypenso95745 жыл бұрын
I had my X2Hot measured and it came off the rack at nearly 46" long! I had it cut down to 44" before the season started and hotmelt added to properly swing weight it. Hit more fairways this year and drove the ball the straightest I have in 40 years of playing golf. Lost about 10 yards in potential length off the tee on average but I'd say my driving average distance is about the same because I hit the centre of the face more often. Handicap down into the single digits for the first time ever. Played off 11 or 12 last year. I would highly recommend to any golfer exploring this option and especially if you have a spare driver to experiment with.
@stevenziegler10675 жыл бұрын
I changed my wood lengths early this season and saw enormous gains...+22% fairways hit. Huge. D = 44" 3w = 42.5" 5w = 41"
@Struieboy5 жыл бұрын
Jack Nicklaus used a wooden driver with a 42 1/2 inch steel shaft. He did quite well with it, I believe.
@dberg19645 жыл бұрын
Exactly!! Right now I'm looking for a relatively up to date driver, within let's say 10 yrs old, with a steel shaft just so I can cut it down to 43". Couple of neck surgeries and a shoulder surgery have made it impossible for me swing a longer shafted club. The longer shafts change my swing path to a very uncomfortable and unnatural feel.
@dsmmacdonald5 жыл бұрын
These Titleist guys are the mutt’s nutts. They need their own cop show on Netflix - the charming, wiser middle aged guy who thinks his way analytically through each case, and the quietly cool young buck who doesn’t say much but kicks people’s arses when necessary.
@paulp20555 жыл бұрын
Great info...when I was fitted for my Ping G400 it ended up at 44.75"... an inch shorter than the Ping standard...better accuracy with no loss of distance!!! The Ping rep did an excellent job of fitting me.
@imraniftikhar64205 жыл бұрын
Paul P what's your height
@smileypureblood9304 жыл бұрын
I bet Paul’s around 5 foot 9 ...pings standard clubs are for 6 foot tall people too upright for me of the rack,had to get fitted ....the Japanese manufactures are made standard for hobbits lol
@andrewbentley25935 жыл бұрын
What a terrific Titleist trio! So informed, so knowledgeable, so inspiring. Thank you all.
@glumbum65 жыл бұрын
Yes, profoundly inspirational.
@tylerbone33585 жыл бұрын
I play the TS3 8.5* in a GD Tour AD-DI 6x shaft 44’ in length. I’m 5’9 with a 6’2 wingspan. Driver have always felt too long for me. I’m hitting so many more fairways now that I’ve got a shorter driver. I may have lost a few yards but i dont care at all. I’m already over 300 yards so who gives. Shorter is just easier to hit for me. I tee it up nice and low and swing easy. KABOOM!!!
@jimscott1607 Жыл бұрын
Really great that the fitter kept the swing weight "similar". So many of these comparisons just switch shafts without changing the head weight. I play with a 45" driver and have started experimenting with 44 1/2.
@seanjones37345 жыл бұрын
I'm like coach, 43.5. It takes a bit to dial the swing weight back in but I can hit center face more confidently.
@rodgalilee79465 жыл бұрын
loved it. as you say "get fitted". I've just had a Titleist TS fitting.
@jakelindsay62515 жыл бұрын
Man the acoustics on that new driver are brilliant! Once again, contact and strike are King.
@garydavis82135 жыл бұрын
That test really presented differing results for each length. Kind of a wow.
@richboshart12015 жыл бұрын
These Titleist fellas really know their stuff, and can explain sometimes complex concepts that are so easily digestible, unlike Mark, who often loses me when he starts geeking out with launch monitor metrics. Amazing how a good golfer like Mark can intuitively make adjustments. Give me a driver of a different length than my own and there is no telling where that ball is going.
@mikebest6345 жыл бұрын
Hmmm It's a fact that Titliest have made their stock shaft offerings longer on the new drivers ,I've been using 44.50 for ages now and stuggled to hit good shots with the TS drivers at my fitting a couple of weeks ago ,banged in my 44.50 inch Diamana shaft with mid size grip in to the TS2 and was flushing it straight down the middle and longer than my 917 .What the Titliest fitter did not mention was that the average driver shaft length on the PGA tour is 44.50 inches ,he probably felt he couldent explain it that they are selling drivers longer than tour players are using ,nothing wrong with that if they want to keep up with Taylormade and co ,but most people would hit it better with a slightly shorter stick .
@joelcrow2 жыл бұрын
Man, Titleist really gave you premium service as a brand ambassador...this access is incredible.
@bspnhd57605 жыл бұрын
I now play a 44.5 inch driver. Gave up a bit of distance but the big misses (to the right) have all but disappeared. Just working with tweaking head weight at the moment to get the right SW as losing an inch took me down into the high C range. The beauty of the modern driver is you can pick up some cheap shaft pulls off eBay with different lengths, flex etc and find what works best for you with a couple of turns of a torque wrench
@robbiles5 жыл бұрын
Mark, are you now officially the new Titleist Test Robot. Your ability over the last few of these videos to predict your swing speed, angle of attack, spin and distance is mind blowing.
@G.M.Wilding5 жыл бұрын
I’ve recently had 1/2 inch chopped off my driver and it’s made a big difference to my strike and accuracy, distance is more or less the same. I think part of it is psychological but I don’t care, I just want to hit fairways!
@denniswebster10485 жыл бұрын
Did you account for any swingweight change?
@stevenziegler10675 жыл бұрын
@@denniswebster1048 I dropped all the way down to 44" and did not account for swing weight. It just felt right. I could also swing faster, which compensated for the speed lost by having a shorter shaft. It was a wash and my club speed was unchanged. Ball speed increased because I was much more consistent, so I gained distance and increased fairways hit...that stat is 22 points higher now, which is huge. 4 fairways per round huge!
@G.M.Wilding5 жыл бұрын
Dennis Webster yes, the fitter placed a weight in the bottom of the shaft to compensate for it. I had the option of having ‘hot melt’ inserted into the head instead, but that would’ve been a permanent fixture so I opted against it.
@davethehead007averagegamer65 жыл бұрын
Technically satisfying. I'm going to test shorter drivers for sure.
@sevesellors28314 жыл бұрын
I prefer a shorter driver currently using 44.5 but would not go over 45 now. Get more control,accuracy, and hit it just as long. Longer length often means harder to control.
@colbr67335 жыл бұрын
This was another gem of a vlog.....more good reasons to get fitted and must remember to ask stupid questions as they might make sense.
@paulgoyette82225 жыл бұрын
Great vlog! Why do people put thumbs down. This is great technical information.
@t00muchman5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. A change in length affects lie angle so I thought they might adjust that on the settings similar to swing weight. Good stuff
@Chewyness5 жыл бұрын
I want to see the course vlog with that titleist employee you played with mark
@danieljohnson4505 жыл бұрын
I just noticed #262k subscribers...that's a coincidence on a driver vid!
@tigermajor94675 жыл бұрын
Great Video Mark, These guys really know what they are talking about. Good Stuff :)
@tatski22744 жыл бұрын
In the 70s and 80s fitting was scarce but players could hit fairly well. Its making golf a lot more complicated than the good old days.
@neilhardingham36535 жыл бұрын
Very interesting comment about your back feeling it after using the long driver. After 2 back ops I will try a 3 wood shaft and see if there is much difference. Cheers bruh!!
@maamold5 жыл бұрын
Just had a fitting with a titleist rep. Fitted to 44.5. Cant wait for the quote to come in the email so I can order.
@brendanhanley24245 жыл бұрын
I have no idea how long my driver shaft is. I found the video really interesting! I'm looking for a new driver over winter and can't wait to test different lengths.
@jonathanthomason78965 жыл бұрын
That's great stuff. Most viewers will be choking up on their drivers when they go to the range this weekend or when they play to see if it helps. I think grip size and feel are two factors that most don't think about when being fit. I would argue that what grip you have on the club would effect delivery as much as shaft length.
@jondoe66185 жыл бұрын
i use the length that was handed down to me.
@Moishe5555 жыл бұрын
Finally someone said it
@dunc_leaper5 жыл бұрын
The titleist fit guys are so professional, really enjoy these videos Mark.
@ajaytuk74165 жыл бұрын
great video again. I know people love to talk about drivers and these new ones are much easier to strike with the bigger club heads. Can you do a video that compares the benefits of using a 3 wood off the tee versus any driver you want to use, distance and dispersion comparison. All I would suggest is that the 3 wood selection is biased to hitting off a tee rather than the deck
@simonsez395 жыл бұрын
Shows I was right to have 1" taken off my Driver ; average + 12 yards carry and feels better off the club-face - same driver shorter shaft 😀👍️⛳️
@downsouth16783 жыл бұрын
Did you adjust the swing weight ?
@curtisobier69685 жыл бұрын
It seemed like ball position was more back in stance is that your normal position or was that done to compensate for shorter drivers
@hannesreinhardt13992 жыл бұрын
Crossfield swing very much on plane throughout, so he could probably play even 46 easily. Most people come over the top though, and longer shafts exaggerate that tendency - not good and shorter shaft better. I cut down from 45.75 to 44.5, tip weighted to D0 (45.75 was D3) and boom = easier to swing, a little flatter ballflight with a little less spin and a lot better dispersion with no loss in distance overall about 280 yards total on good hits hdc 4. By the way both fitters seem to know their job and very nice.
@isdos5 жыл бұрын
All the manufacturer's have a race getting out "longer than ever" drivers but it only means that the shafts are longer than ever. As said on other comments, most of the amateurs would benefit from shorter shaft. Better strikes increase ball speed more than longer shaft does. Also as center of the face is found more often, spin is reduced which again gets more distance. For most of us amateurs, shorter shaft = more ball speed, less spin -> more distance.
@SpartanCL19895 жыл бұрын
The guy in grey doesn’t seem to have that passion as the guy in blue. Great video Crosser!
@SolomonLi5 жыл бұрын
Truly fascinating... I have a driver length that's cut down by an inch from what is standard off the rack. I love it because it feels shorter and to me it feels easier to hit...even though I'm still striking it all over the face... LOL. Seriously though, I see no real difference in distance off the tee with the length of the driver. Irregardless... Team Wild FTW!!! LOL
@russellfothergill90825 жыл бұрын
Loving this series. 3 v knowledgeable fellows chewing the cud
@Coxy2k235 жыл бұрын
I bought a G400 max and I grip right down to the bottom of the grip. I actually hit it longer as I get a much more consistent strike. Will never look back.
@MikeDoba5 жыл бұрын
I cut my driver down to 44" from about 45.25" and it felt super short, strike might have improved but I couldn't hit it as far. Overall wasn't a fan, its not like all the sudden it became super accurate so I just today put a shaft extension in it, going back to original length.
@billwallenstein33875 жыл бұрын
I’ve played my driver at 45” for a few years now. I did not loose any distance but I hit more fairways.
@robbiegalt80645 жыл бұрын
Brilliant love these vlogs. Your explanation is excellent Marcus spartucus
@simonbooth82215 жыл бұрын
Quality content again Mark, cheers
@tonywestwell5 жыл бұрын
Would love to spend a day with these two fine gentlemen. I would confidently predict that all clubs would be perfect for me. Great in sites for us normal people who generally deliver something different each time we address the ball.
@Rabbydabbydoo5 жыл бұрын
Problem is most fitters and none that I’ve seen have any concern at all about shaft length and I’m 5’6”. I’d think that’s more important as a shorter bloke than someone at 6ft. They all seem more interested in shaft flex and weight and I suppose that’s a quick fix to get you out the door rather than a shaft modification that will need actual physical work and time to set.
@russellfothergill90825 жыл бұрын
Just watched this Mark. Interesting your spin was up on your normal. Any thoughts on what might be driving this, as presumably pretty centred striking as smash is so good
@batman48195 Жыл бұрын
Lower launch with the shortest club. I wonder if they added more loft if carry would have been longer as it had the lowest spin.
@WatchfulWizard4 жыл бұрын
4:25 I'll take your word for it Mark.
@stephencutting40615 жыл бұрын
That titleist boy without the shades is sound. I like him. ⛳️
@thomasross12855 жыл бұрын
Shaft weight major consideration for longer length shafts. General 65-70 for most players, strong players plus 105 mph speed, 70-78. The more weight in shaft reduces the amount of extra head weight needed to balance swingweight. Driver static head weight should be at least 205 grams, up to about 210 grams. shaft flex is measured at 205 for flex frequency. Swingweight for drivers are overrated. Overall club weight is a major factor for most clubhead speed.
@maximpieters64995 жыл бұрын
Raymondo did a build a driver for Rory .. If you pause the vid , you can see Rory Mcilroy his shaft is 45.25 ...
@nigelstubbs38795 жыл бұрын
6’3 with a driver at 44” - it works for me 👍
@elmatador75285 жыл бұрын
Mark , do you know what weight changes were made in the club head?? Would love to know especially the 441/2 “ shaft ... another fantastic vid .. Thankyou and big thanks to Titleist
@bspnhd57605 жыл бұрын
Half an inch will impact the SW by 3, so they most likely added 6 grams to the 45 and 12 to the 44.5 to keep things equal.
@burgundymistmetallic5 жыл бұрын
I would like to know this too. He says that they changed weights to get to 'appropriate' SW... I would hope that would mean that they MOI matched and tipped the shafts (because of the additional head weight) to achieve a consistent feel, but I'm guessing we will never know.
@jimsaddler9425 жыл бұрын
Mark, great video! I recently purchased the PING G400 Max driver (and love it)! However, it came with a standard 45.75" shaft. I'm hitting this club pretty straight, but noticed as I get tired later in the round, my drives tend to go a bit right. My question: If I decide down the road to shorten the shaft, how would that be accomplished? Would I have to order, say, a new 45.25" shaft, or can I have the current shaft shortened by a club fitter? And if so, would they need to add lead tape to the bottom of the club head to keep the swing weight at the current D3 SW?
@conalsands47482 жыл бұрын
What became of your driver shaft then?
@timothycharter53635 жыл бұрын
Great video bruh keep them coming
@stumpyslvr5 жыл бұрын
Interesting that they adjusted the head weight but did not add loft to the shorter club.I remember watching video on Ricky Fowler going to a short driver and they added head weight and a couple of degrees of loft to optimize his numbers.
@oogzie75395 жыл бұрын
Question! Would gripping down on the driver give the same results as if you were to use a shorter shaft on your driver? Or is that just "knuckleball!!!" silly? 🤔⛳️🏌
@Disturbed71004 жыл бұрын
That TS2? Driver sounds really good. I wish my local stocked anything Titleist besides hats.
@jamessulzer51055 жыл бұрын
Great information, Mark. What about choking down a half inch on the longer driver? Any difference?
@ariffza5 жыл бұрын
For me choking down felt like swinging a lighter driver which throws off my tempo. I'm thinking of cutting down my driver to 44.5" and adjusting the swing weight where it was originally. But I'd be interested to hear what Mark thinks of it as well.
@qe99335 жыл бұрын
For your average over the topper like yours truly, longer driver is so dangerous! The one time where you want less inches 😂
@richboshart12015 жыл бұрын
Q E so it’s not all about length, or is it?
@qe99335 жыл бұрын
@@richboshart1201 nope not all about length but I found with a longer club I cut across more, my right shoulder tipped out quicker. However once you learn to swing properly then a longer shaft could be a weapon 🔫!
@ronniezr2015 жыл бұрын
Very good stuff Mark ty sir ~
@jameslovering91585 жыл бұрын
Interesting such small increments matter, 1/2 inch is around 12.5 mm. What about where you grip the club that could vary could it not?
@sumitagg15 жыл бұрын
I simply grip down for better control and distance
@ChristiannTyler4 жыл бұрын
I took my bandsaw to a old driver took it down to about 42in for 5’8 it finds the fairway much better
@inoculat0r5 жыл бұрын
All good for these guys but even at custom fitting it's almost impossible to try that variety of shaft lengths. Do Titelist offer this at custom fit these days?
@kevincranfield24715 жыл бұрын
So would you suggest gripping down on driver if you are hitting right??
@Moishe5555 жыл бұрын
I'd like to hear some ladies opinions on this. Does shaft length matter? It's been so long since I had the tip cut I don't remember the difference.
@timothycharter53635 жыл бұрын
I struggled with a longer shaft so I did the same as @coachlockey and went with a shorter shaft and hit it so much better
@pdc-cp4uv3 жыл бұрын
My question is, is the shaft 45.5 without the head or is is like 44.25 plus head to make it 45.5?
@leeburling48492 жыл бұрын
It’s 45 ‘’ tip to butt of driver shaft
@commane215 жыл бұрын
You tee the ball lower than I see most pros, apparently. (I could see this with the last bunch of balls.)Typically half the ball sits above the driver at address, I’ve been consistently told. I imagine that matches with a flatter attack angle and a bit higher spin.
@jedimike1185 жыл бұрын
i also noticed , unless it's the camera angle,the ball was back in the stance a little. could be why the the attack angle was neutral to down slightly or shorter driver maybe..
@paulbull34315 жыл бұрын
Interesting I’ve had a inch taken off my drivers for the last 12-13 years 1.5 last 3-5 always felt I had more control
@spoonu95 жыл бұрын
Yeah I am 5'10 and I play my irons half inch under standard and now I am thinking about the driver and 3 wood just not sure how low to cut.
@davidbartsch2555 жыл бұрын
Can someone help answer? Say the driver is 45.5, but you choke up a half inch. Wouldn’t that then play like the 45? I’m debating on getting fitted for a driver myself. Not sure how much shaft flex matters, but apparently length does
@joeperez35205 жыл бұрын
Hobbit club. YOU...SHALL..NOT...PASS... 262 yards!!! 44 inch driver for me, being a 5'7" Hobbit and all. Companies are selling drivers with longer shafts because when they put these longer drivers on a swing robot, the longer swing arc will automatically cause the ball to go further, and then they can brag about how long their drivers are. Quite disingenuous.
@edmundojrsichon16644 жыл бұрын
about same height as you. Is that 44" shaft length or 44" total driver length including head?
@chriskirby705 жыл бұрын
So how much would the data played if the sample.size was larger. Would there be a statistical difference comparing shafy lenghths between half dozen shots v 1000 shots? I wonder.
@jagpilotohio Жыл бұрын
I’ve been playing 43.5” for 30 years. Never going longer.
@mcfly27275 жыл бұрын
#262 subs party time Mark! Come on! 🕺🎂👍#stopit
@tomboston96695 жыл бұрын
It's well documented that Tiger Woods used a 43.5" driver for most of his career. Lately he is hovering around 44 1/4 to 44.5. These ultra long shafted drivers of today are a scam. When you hook them up to a robot of course they will produce longer numbers but regular humans can't really control that kind of length. Learn from Tiger.
@JuanGarcia-hr1wf5 жыл бұрын
45 inch driver on my PING GMAX 400, gives me tighter dispersion
@SuperYoda75 жыл бұрын
I will so get a 47.5 inch driver!
@markshepherd73673 жыл бұрын
Why do they not let you have a driver over 48” because you hit the ball a lot longer with a longer shaft. I use a 48” driver which suits me, I know that not a lot of golfer can use a 48” one. Just wish I could have a 50” driver.
@happygolfer63355 жыл бұрын
My miss is right, low heel
@pchisholm45 жыл бұрын
Im yet to find a fitter that has various lengths of shafts when doing a driver fitting.
@alanburch84995 жыл бұрын
Paul Chisholm call away do.
@stevenziegler10675 жыл бұрын
You need a specialty fitter like Golftec or Club Champion. Most golf stores like Golf Exchange or Dicks don't have the choices on hand because they sell what 95% of golfers buy.
@josephdubiel71295 жыл бұрын
Keep looking then. Thats not a quality fitting then. Thats for sure.
@cwugrad3965 жыл бұрын
That guy on the left is a consummate professional
@waynepadley13375 жыл бұрын
So get fitted 👍
@tommyh55405 жыл бұрын
Smart men found out long ago that length is not all that matters :-)
@chrismanning2175 жыл бұрын
1 inch is not enough different to even say so why not try 43 or even 42
@chickenclips5 жыл бұрын
The problem with this is people think they can just go and shorten their current shafts. Doing that changes more than just the length of your driver....
@conalsands47482 жыл бұрын
What else do ones it Dramatically change ?
@fredfish43163 жыл бұрын
Long Tom for me. Not a woolly wanker. I get it out 300 Metres at times in comp. But this guy is clearly longer than most PGA players.
@chrisredwood695 жыл бұрын
Perhaps @coachlockey should use a rinky shaft in his driver 😂