I love how documentaries about male killers always say: 'he was handsome, charming..alluring... you wouldn't suspect that he could hurt a fly.........' and then they proceed to show a picture of the guy and he looks like a crackhead thumb.

What haunts me the most is why it took so long for anyone from the authorities (for example, the schools) to notice that Heather West hadn't been seen for years.

My parents used to live 2 doors down from Fred West in Gloucester and my dad once borrowed a ladder off him and had him round for a cup of tea. Fred also helped my mum change her car tyre as well in the pouring rain once. Both my mum and dad say that he seemed like the nicest bloke you'll ever meet, which makes it all the more surprising. My dad still has a photo of him and Fred together at a neighbours BBQ in the mid 80s. They were never friends or anything, just neighbours. Talk about chilling.

Really feel for Caroline Roberts not only did she survive these horrors, but she bravely fought cancer later too. I hope she's found peace where ever her soul is now

"What Made Fred West a Notorious Serial Killer?" Offhand, I'd say it was all those killings.

‘He lost his good looks...’ Are we looking at the same potato here?!

I get tears in my eyes when I see that picture of little Sharmain. She is the sweetest little angel with the red sweater and her front tooth missing. I can’t imagine Rose hurting that tiny little baby. It just makes me sick to think about it.

She was found 27 years later with the skeleton of her unborn baby. That is horrifying to think about. Sick

Fred definitely killed more than he was sentenced for.

Lost his good looks? Yeah, he was Brad Pitt before breaking his nose?

Am I the only one who watches these kinda docs to fall asleep??

The sexual abuse and rape in this story is absolutely disgusting.

How is it these people find marriage & have children and I'm still single?!

It’s bizarre how similar Fred and Rose’s childhoods were . It’s so creepy and disgusting that more then one persons family was as deprived and horrible as Fred’s . I wonder how many more families like theirs there are out there, that haven’t been caught yet..😞

It's a weird thing how they found each other ,both psychopaths , evil finds evil !

freds mother looked like fred in a wig.....very creepy lookin woman...

Heather looked so sad in her pic 😩

Loss of his look? He looked like the missing link from birth.

Fined 25 pounds each for kidnapping and assault (and free of rape?) So the justice system are to blame for the escalation of all these murders

*Wake up in the middle of the night* My brain: "Well the only logical thing to do is to watch documentaries about serial killers."

People don't realize how truly damaging a nuclear an extended multi generation incestuous, brutal, violent family is. The things that you have to endure, to try to survive, to make sense of life. The warping of a person, the addictions and eating disorders. Being continually a victim or an offender. If you suspect anyone being abused, please inform the authorities. We can pass it back instead of passing it on.

Did anyone else notice how creepy that childhood photo was with white dots on his eyes?

Sadly caroline died a few years ago from cancer . r.i.p. caroline owens 🌹🌹🌹

Bad genes, bad environment, low IQ, head injury. I cannot see how West could have come out normal.

I’ve read quite a bit about serial killers, but these two have stuck with me. Absolute depravity...

I saw Caroline at a spiritual meeting in 2004. Poor girl looked haunted and never recovered. May the spirits keep her safe in love and peace.

Can we all take a moment to applaud that police office who persuaded her bosses to dig up the patio? If she hadn’t, even more people could have died

People underestimate how serious even small head injuries are. A concussion alone can change your entire being. He had two huge head injuries.

"He may have kept one or two bones..." Dude, he kept dozens of bones!

Unfortunately, Fred and Rose are not alone, I believe that even now, somewhere in this country, more people are being abused and murdered by similar people like the Wests, we just haven't found them yet.

The fact they abused their own children as brutally as strangers and themselves were abused mixed with low IQs and a society that preferred to look the other way and where authorities seemed to value property more than human life - a perfect storm. RIP all their victims 🥀

I live literally down the road from where this took place, luckily not at the same time but yeah feels weird walking on that path knowing what happened.

Fred looked like the ventriloquist doll from that Twilight zone episode.

I never realised the missing toes and fingers were part of their torture!! Shocking

Anyone started watching this due to the recent news on tv about possible remains found related to the fred west murders?

I dont get how someone could kill there own child. Its disgusting

I knew about his frontal lobe injury, which explains his behaviours, but not about his IQ of just 80. That's a really bad combination.

Fred LOOKS like a predator. Never want to be alone with him.

I feel sorry for the child he once was.

No-one is BORN to kill, not even Hitler. You get that way from your life experiences.

Authorities will always claim that these criminals were/are so "charming, cunning, smart" etc to make excuses for their lack of action and downright uselessness.

I am grateful for documentaries like this because it educates the public what people can do. Then they hopefully become more cautious and pay attention to warning signs. Back when West was doing this, people never even considered psychopathic murderers. Sadly, we HAVE to know these things and teach others. Stay up-to-date and be safe.

my mum used to teach basic maths and english to adults and taught him maths for a while at a centre in cheltenham, just next to gloucester. as someone who’s been raised in gloucester i know loads of people who have parents and grandparents who knew fred and rose but didn’t suspect a thing, really scary to think about

I’ve noticed while researching and watching these documentaries that something a lot of these serial killers have in common is that a lot of them have had some sort of head injury during childhood, and a lot of the time were also abused during childhood. The head injuries seem more common though. Just an interesting observation I made, I’m sure others have seen this connection as well.

I remember all this coming home from university and hearing the news. Terrible calamity for all those hurt by those two including their poor children

I happen to be watching this on the 25th anniversary of the police starting to dig up the patio. Peace to all those affected by these monsters.

This just makes me scared of people

Eww his mugshot gives me creeps. I remember being a kid and seeing the news and realising what he had done....was so shocking and depraved. Their poor kids.

I’ve watched a lot of sick and twisted documentaries on serial killers, but God this one was the craziest and most disturbing.

Everything stems from trauma. It has never been adressed. Pay attention to the children and their suffering

Who else read the comments before watching the show

These documentaries are getting me through lockdown

I had read, in one of the articles, that Rose was infuriated by Charmaine's head-strong attitude and vehement denial at calling her mummy. She was so defiant she didn't even cry on getting beatings and punishments while Anne Marie would stand right there shedding silent tears watching the ordeal of her sister. Charmaine believed up till very end that Rina will come and take her away.

I feel really sad for Caroline and the rest of the children that suffered at the hands of these monsters. It was chilling when Caroline said that she could still hear him laughing, joking about the patio and that she still felt his presence. It was deep, and dark, it chilled me enough and I'm behind a screen. Everything about this was unjust, they got away with their sick depraved fantasies most of their life, Freddy left a lot of questions unanswered and killed himself, his wife selfish as ever and majorily indenial with little life left to serve her sentence. Hanging her would have been just for such a heinous crime but I'm not related to any of the victims.

This is why I don't trust strangers, it's a shame to live like this but there are some EVIL weird people out there - those poor girls and their families!!🙁

I had a cousin who sadly didn't survive more than a few days after being born. His funeral happened to be the same time and place as Fred West's (the crematorium has 2 chapels). Always found it haunting to have even a loose connection with such an evil man

Fred the builder told the police he had only killed 6 but later when they had evidence of 12 he admitted 6 had only been a estimate.

My dad has a friend who was in the same school class as Fred’s daughter, who he killed, apparently she was very odd. He also remembers waiting for his dad to pick him up on Cromwell street and outside Fred’s house, there was a rolled up carpet covered in ginger hair.

There is an amazing drama called Appropriate Adult. It is told from the perspective of the "appropriate adult", Janet Leach who sat in on the Fred West interviews. The actors who play the parts do it amazingly. The appropriate adult played by Emily Watson, Fred West is played by Dominic West and Rosemary West, by Monica Dolan. Both Dominic West and Emily Watson won BAFTAs for their parts, which are well deserved, especially Dominic West performance in the first episode, is unreal. If you ever get the chance to watch it, you won't be disappointed. Three part miniseries.

His building skills helped him a lot.

"Short and unproductive" Stop describing me

I live a few roads away from this house. It's been knocked down and now stands as a walkway, but each time I pass it, I take a moment and a deep breath. It's an odd sight, knowing that the patches of grass and pavement there once held such evil things. I hope there is some peace now for these brave women.

Charmaine was so freaking cute 😢

"Opted out of the human race." That's an important distinction. People aren't born bad, they become bad.

Deeply fascinating. Thank you

I recommend a two-episode miniseries called Appropriate Adult. Dominic West plays Fred West. Emily Watson plays the court-appointed social worker sitting in on his interviews with police after he is caught. Dominic West is just eerie and brilliant.

Why would you as a mother leave your daughters to someone like this man you knew is prone to violence? I so pity the children.

It puzzles me why West's house was razed to the ground and obliterated, but Dennis Nilsen's two Houses of Horror are still standing. I suspect London property prices have something to do with it.

Frightening to think there are people like this out there

No contest...women make the best detectives......they possess an awareness that runs right over their male counter-parts heads...!!

Wow you got great new pics of dead Fred! Thanks!!

If only there was a way this behavior had been looked into earlier. Koodos to the lady detective that convinced her bosses that something evil was happening at the residence. With an IQ of 80, what kind of work did he do that paid him enough to buy a house and hire a nanny? Throughout there are so many holes or facts that just don't add up correctly. I pray all the victim's families are able to cope and get past the horror of this nightmare.

They’re looking for another victim now 19th May 2021 digging up the basement of a cafe

When I got into a taxi in Gloucester and simply asked the driver to take me to Cromwell Street, he instantly replied: ‘’you do know the house isn’t there anymore?’’. 😂 Guess I’m not the only curious person who wanted to see Fred West’s street over the years. (I did know the house isn’t there anymore).

My Gosh, this is why there should be much stricter laws when it comes to the breeding of humans !

Some people sure do live strange lives, makes you think what is this universe all about

Good documentary

It amazes me how all these so called "expert" psychiatrists make perfect theories and talk so knowledgable after the fact. We can all be "experts" with the benefit of hindsight.

Too bad you don't have the death penalty. Rose is definately someone who needs it.

Lived in Gloucester for a while and one night I purposely drove out to Cromwell Street. I dunno why, morbid curiosity :(

Carolyne is lucky to be alive.

Evil lives amongst us. Human beings can be as evil as evil itself. Be careful of people

I was in Cromwell street there in Gloucester the other day..! And how Caroline Roberts describe's Cromwell street is exactly how it is..!

Blows my mind that everyday you pass people; some of whom have suffered such unbelievable trauma and pain, some who seek to cause it and others’ oblivious to the world and anything going on outside ‘their’ world🧐🧐 God Bless those who lost their lives and those who lost their, deserved, future ❤️✨

He somehow carried on what he himself had been a victim of. I cannot imagine being abused by your parents. The trauma must be immense.

Fred used to work in a shop down the road from my primary school, my mates mum worked there with him and she says he was a really nice man and it was such a shock. It’s crazy though how he worked so close to a primary school

I really hope their children are getting the help they need

2 demons in the flesh that simple

25 quid? Why does everything in the police seem to involve money?... Did they do anything to protect the victim with that 50 quid?...

I actually know someone who is related to Fred west it’s his cousin. He is such a nice guy. He is just shocked that this actually happened in his family.

I was just thinking the same thing when l saw your comment. Eerie makes one feel quite vulnerable.

I used to hitchhike as a teen in the area during their killing spree and always remember one couple who picked me up. For a start being picked up by a couple was almost unknown but they were unusually interested in my family circumstances. I told them of my close, loving family, dad a family doctor, and they dropped me as agreed. After the story broke I wondered if I'd encountered the Wests and, if I had, was very grateful to have been too "risky" a victim. I wasn't someone whose disappearance would have been overlooked. It may be nothing though. I may be completely wrong.

She was 40 and looks like 60

"29 Cromwell street has become the most famous address in the world!" Just a slight exaggeration, don't you think?

Sat in Hereford England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 watching this

INTERESTING WEIRD!!! I APPRECIATE THE UPLOAD!!! MORE DETAILS I NEVER KNEW!!!

Its horrible to think, there are people like this amongst us, how terrifying.

Rip all you kids hope there at peace

No matter how many documentaries I watch on these two I still can't believe it it's beyond anything I can imagine it's horrific. I can't even begin to imagine how their children have gone on to live their lives coz I dread to think of how hellish life was for them. I've just watched see no evil the moors murderers on itv x and as awful as that is it's a brilliantly made 2 part drama but like this it just leaves you baffled, baffled at how anyone can do such monstrous things. It's impossible to get my head around the evil some people can do. It really is mind boggling.

I was watching a restoration video of some animatronic in a music video from 2004 and now I'm here somehow