A common question some people seem to ask, what makes a bow accurate in my eyes- well you came to the right place!! Thanks for coming back and checking us out!!
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@juanrodriguez-mu7ko14 күн бұрын
Well you’re very smart when it comes to archery! Most of us newbies like me don’t know much about archery. So thanks for teaching us I love the videos, I started my archery journey because of you Dan and Tim so thanks again.
@kylefrye62652 жыл бұрын
Thanks for providing us with great information once again!
@justinskelton41972 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. That definitely makes sense. My 2012 bowtech invasion CPX is very forgiving, and I never thought about the reflex measurement being a major factor. Keep up the great work
@coltoncampbell80032 жыл бұрын
Love these videos! So much insight that I had no clue on. Keep them coming. Also, you should really do those bow build videos ASAP. Been looking forward to those
@mtnroseoutdoors88142 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard of these measurements before, but I totally forgot about them. I really think bow manufactures need to add these measurements to their bow specs, but because they don’t, I’m glad MFJJ is gonna add these to the bow reviews. Very helpful MFJJ!
@mikeodom84022 жыл бұрын
As a new to the bow world guy, I find your information helpful. Logically this video makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you
@heathleggett80802 жыл бұрын
Very informative I must say. It honestly makes total sense. Thank you!
@christophermetcalf21772 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!! Finally something that makes sense! Real numbers that actually mean something! Thanks for giving us good info and being honest for OUR benefit!
@brettwelch83682 жыл бұрын
thanks for the bow lesson professor MFJJ. keep up with the great work!!
@brentanderson74572 жыл бұрын
Great video. Finally someone is talking about this. I have been teaching/preaching that for years. The difference between reflexion and deflection. It is so important for accuracy.
@larrybigdogz13252 жыл бұрын
Absolutely like the insight.
@seanc773392 жыл бұрын
Great video. You sir are a true professional.
@charlieadkins18122 жыл бұрын
That is some serious Bow Nerd info…and I love every second. Shooting a few right now and will pick the one that “talks” to me 😆 keep up the great work…and thanks for the fast shipping.
@shawnsmith61952 жыл бұрын
I had never thought of measuring a bow in this manor before. It makes sense. I will have to measure mine and See how much different they are. Thank you for sharing
@michaelcardin3467 Жыл бұрын
Makes sense! I like this type of info makes it better on deciding on what bow to get. Just got the ventum pro 30. Absolutely love this bow
@perryknetter8577 Жыл бұрын
You have a gift the way you explain things it makes it easy to learn Bods Blessings
@gavinbensutherland5082 жыл бұрын
What's up from a Zimbabwean olypmic archer .love your info mate . On point and something I look at seriously when sorting my compound bits and looking for none BS info .thanks man enjoy your stuff
@craigwilliams53422 жыл бұрын
Love it. MFJJ teaching me stuff again. Keep up the good work.
@craig99502 жыл бұрын
Great video MFJJ love your work, I'm a BIG fan, I love the way you simplify & share bow techy tips that others make a mystery, Thanks for helping us.
@okiebob252 жыл бұрын
Great insight as always MFJJ - thanks for sharing so we can make more informed decisions. Both measurements are dictated by riser design so, aligned with some of the other comments, it would be interesting to see if there are “unique” bows which statistically would be superior to those with the larger marketing budgets or brand names
@Nick-we6rd2 жыл бұрын
I’m very happy you’re going to include these stats in your bow reviews going forward. Could you also consider measuring string angle on bows? This is also an important consideration and it’s info that’s almost impossible to find.
@2ndAveScents7 ай бұрын
That’s why they give you axle to axle. Plus it’s going to be different at every draw length. If you don’t like a tight string angle then you don’t want anything under 32 inches imo and honestly if string angle is a concern for you then 33/34 and up is all you should be looking at. Anything at 34 and over will be perfectly acceptable for anyone in the string angle department.
@twc67712 жыл бұрын
That is some very good information thanks for putting it out.
@glennhermon31332 жыл бұрын
That is one of the reasons I bought a Reckoning. Always preferred a deflex riser for accuracy.
@triggerhappydad652 жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense to me. I remember lusting heavily over the original PSE Evo, to me, it was the baddest thing I'd ever seen. Such beautiful lines. Well nobody local had it, but that year the "Dixie Deer Classic" was coming to town again and I finally got my hands on one! 😒 It was one of the easiest bows to torque I'd ever shot. The limb pockets were WAY out in front of the grip and you could just breath hard and watch it torque while holding. I've owned 4 Bowtechs since then, and their "center pivot technology" that's built into their bows (imo) makes them some of the most forgiving bows on the market.
@16jduran2 жыл бұрын
Pretty awesome to know these specs from a bow when it comes to buying one 👍🏻 Definitely using this knowledge
@jeffpeters352 Жыл бұрын
I live in Eugene and I really like u videos u very knowledge. I'm coming c u this spring
@keefer882 жыл бұрын
axle to axle at full draw is probably very important I would think
@pichurguy2 жыл бұрын
VERY informative MFJJ .. gonna say ur vids are probably more descriptive and more in depth yet easy to follow .. it’s like “bow tech for dummies”.. keep up the great work!👍
@waynestevenson9613 Жыл бұрын
This makes total sense and this is why deflex risers are more forgiving in tournament bows! Thanks!
@patmaweini952 Жыл бұрын
Interesting MFJJ. That does make sense. More info is always good. I’ll add this as a method to evaluate compound bows. Btw, had my string builder make me some natural BCY 454 low wax strings and cables for my Mathews Phase 4 33. Took your advice on the no dye, low wax. Very happy with the results! Thanks
@stefangabor85492 жыл бұрын
Great videos, keep them coming
@blakemoen2935 Жыл бұрын
Love the explanation
@WadeTheWild2 жыл бұрын
Good info. I feel like the bow that feels the best and I have the most confidence with is what I’m going with. I’m not a target archer, I’m a hunter. I shoot every day, and a lot. But I still don’t feel I’m accurate enough for these differences to really stand out enough to make my overall decision. Almost all the big manufacturers make equipment that will far outperform most of us. I truly like what feels best. Draw cycle, steadiness etc…I don’t shoot farther than what’s acceptable with my Broadheads, so that’s the true test and I typically don’t tend to go off measurements or popular opinion. That being said, these added measurements from manufacturers would make it easier to make a decision without spending all day in a bow shop and/or wasting money trying to find what you can shoot best if you don’t have that availability.
@justinroethel7424 Жыл бұрын
Good Info Josh defiantly putting this in the tackle box for the future
@jimr71542 жыл бұрын
Thanks man Never heard the term before “reflex” but makes sense Great video great info keep them coming
@chadpinder68642 жыл бұрын
Definitely just learned something new. Thanks.
@myronriggs96132 жыл бұрын
Thanks again bud! You’re a good teacher
@perryknetter8577 Жыл бұрын
You have the best information and great in front of camera
@orsonbroadbent34532 жыл бұрын
Thanks you for the info 👍
@jeffjones91412 жыл бұрын
Great to know. Maybe those specs should be included in your future bow reviews with a refresher of why they are important from time to time.
@working_to_hunt2 жыл бұрын
Great information! Can we get another video with all these measurements for all the bow reviews you have done in the last 2 years?
@kennylainhart71482 жыл бұрын
Good information, !!!
@sethdavis2404 Жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@dariuskloska69302 жыл бұрын
I would be interested to see you do a video on the crazy looking Gearhead B34 bow. Its factory "specs" are spot on with the other major flagship bows around 33" ata, but the riser and handle position are a whole different concept with the 2 piece riser and adjustable brace height. Recently came across their bows at a hunting expo and nobody knowledgeable like you has done a critical review on them online. It has piqued my interest and I wonder if they are on to something or just crazy. Thanks for the content.
@clarkansas65902 жыл бұрын
Good information
@XXXston3wallXXX Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@SethGriffith15002 жыл бұрын
I gotta give a shout out to podium archer customer service… I ordered some arrows about 2 weeks ago. Got them in and my 60 grain inserts weren’t in the box. A 39 second phone call to them on a Saturday and my inserts were in my mail box on Monday! AWESOME customer service Josh Jones! If anything needs anything from them I highly recommend them! Going to order me a draw weight scale and a arrow scale from them next and I’m sure it will be just as good! Thank you podium archer staff!
@allanwalters79002 жыл бұрын
great information keep up the great vids
@davidfargen21672 жыл бұрын
I think your inputs great
@indy57972 жыл бұрын
You may also consider providing total length when you provide mfg ata. A 30" ata bow with salad plates for cams will have a real world length of 36+" which would be a negative for some, but would provide a better string angle, and be a positive for others.
@reddawng43x91 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@matthewhewston2152 жыл бұрын
I do like that way of figuring the bows out makes sense
@Greg7662 жыл бұрын
Stabilizers significantly change the forgiveness and feel by impacting the same two variables bow vertical stability and torque
@jameslindenthal8402 жыл бұрын
Good job , your videos rock.
@elarchery2 жыл бұрын
Good info, thanks for it...
@richarddean31542 жыл бұрын
Excellent food for thought. So, if you looked historically at hunting bows, which one would have the greatest accuracy potential based on the metrics of riser length and reflex? Some of the "odd" bows like the Oneida Eagle and Bear Delta V might have pretty good numbers. Thanks for the thoughtful content.
@papaschuette Жыл бұрын
I've been bow hunting for over 20 years and this is the first I've ever heard of reflex. I just measured my Bear Legit and the reflex is at 2 1/4. So kind of in the middle. I guess that's a alright number. Thanks for more awesome information.
@jimsheldon99092 жыл бұрын
I like it Josh. Never thought about it that way. 🧐
@randyhutch502 жыл бұрын
Good info
@bryantrimborn9489 Жыл бұрын
Really like the content!
@jowho99922 жыл бұрын
Thank You.
@chrississon26462 жыл бұрын
Keep em coming
@ericcampbell38912 жыл бұрын
Love this hope it helps me out
@richardganz93182 жыл бұрын
The professor MFJJ , love the video's keep it coming
@joshuawooledge6945 Жыл бұрын
I completely agree with your thought process. The other tangent i would throw in that i consider is the grip design. I think this is where more people make poor choices. Just because it feels good in your hand does not mean it will shoot well for you if your grip isn't consistent. I hear more people when buying guns or bows make the comment this feels good in my hand so i will take it. If your completely open and honest with yourself and try every bow most people don't walk out with what they came to buy.
@austinhoskins78282 жыл бұрын
You learn something everyday!
@ross76842 жыл бұрын
I agree with you that the riser length and reflex contribute more to accuracy than brace height and axle-to-axle. However, brace height can be reflective of reflex, since a larger brace height tends to indicate less reflex in today's parallel limb bows. Similarly a longer axle to axle somewhat reflects a longer riser, particularly within a brand; though you pointed out that across brands, this is not always the case. Regardless of any of the four measurements that you discussed, what I think contributes most to the accuracy of any bow is the amount of time the owner spends practicing with the bow; and by practicing I include shooting arrows at various yardages and working on form.
@willyboys242 жыл бұрын
This makes sense based on my recent experience. It's the reflex dimension more than the riser length in this case. I tried to figure out why my new bow felt like a noodle (torquey) versus my other bow. I haven't measured those bows yet myself but they are among the ones you have measured in this video. My Bowtech is rock solid compared to brand X. I sold the brand X and moved onto brand Y which is more solid than the X but not as compared to the Bowtech. I will be measuring both today to see how they compare.
@5jjt Жыл бұрын
Brace height?
@freedomfam62 жыл бұрын
Love the video content Josh! How would one get those measurements without having hands on?
@adamballinger13582 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who thinks like me , i also care about cam lean at full draw vs at rest its something that has only recently been considered but ive always paid attention to the RISER.
@CFIRST582 жыл бұрын
Could you make a video on how to know if your bow has any cam lean, and how to fix it? Could you also make a video on proper stand and form to shoot a bow more accurately? Thank You! , for another great video!!
@averagejackarchery2 жыл бұрын
Love the new intro but MAN y'all need to make an audio fade out for my headphones! Keep up the great content.
@krisaunedi49202 жыл бұрын
Cool vlog and very useful information also Josh. Just wanted to know is when will you be bringing out more vlogs on your three bow builds for 2022 I am looking forward on your Hoyt build and want your opinion also. Cool!!
@joshjones68622 жыл бұрын
Waiting on parts at the moment
@cliffburlew92092 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your insight I have been shooting for over 40 years and started a lot of people in archery any bow can be accurate if you practice and you are consistent
@capricornmagic63 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it's that simple. High volume reps and good form.
@reddawng43x91 Жыл бұрын
I agree! People shouldn’t impulse buy off of these measurements lol
@jons7e2 жыл бұрын
V3X33 is one of the best bows in every category... I'm sold.
@richarddean31542 жыл бұрын
Additionally, would you consider doing a video on what you consider "great" and "acceptable" accuracy. Like great is 1" groups (or less) per 10 yards of range and acceptable is 1.5" per 10 yards of range (e.g. 4" at 40 or 6" at 40) with 3 to 5 arrows. Also, could you compare your shooting with the various releases - handheld thumb-actuated, hinge, and trigger finger-actuated to see if there is an appreciable difference in terms of accuracy and point of impact. Thanks again.
@jordanc17802 жыл бұрын
I would guess every flagship bow on the market is possible to shoot within those accuracy standards when properly set up. The bow fitment to the shooter and tune would have a large impact on those results which would vary from person to person.
@richarddean31542 жыл бұрын
@@jordanc1780 That is a great point - that the bows are inherently capable of tight groups. So, when the archer is added to the equation, the group size outside of the inherent capability of the bow is the archers fault. Then, what we need from MFJJ is what are the common faults in archers that cause poor shooting.
@freedomfam62 жыл бұрын
@@richarddean3154 I was just thinking the same thing. Many years ago I was dead set on upgrading my rig because it wasn’t shooting good for me. That kinda flipped on me when the guy helping me picked up my bow and drove tacks. Changed a couple of things and I was too!
@orlandoagostinho6615 Жыл бұрын
All sounds good to me. Thanks MFJJ.
@timbow502 жыл бұрын
👍👍 it's about the mechanical advantage of leverage points. Basic geometry. As the pivot point ( where your hand meets the riser) is moved back toward you from the limb pivot point the " triangle " becomes bigger. This allows an easier ability for the limb tips to move left or right because the three points of the triangle are farther apart. A long narrow triangle, even at full draw when the cams are rotated and the position of the string has moved along with the limbs flexing back toward you, will have less perceived and actual " wiggle" left or right. For those that work with their hands and build things this concept is easy to grasp. For those that can not understand all this- just trust ol' MFJJ!
@jesse54422 жыл бұрын
More nerd stuff, I love it. The more info we have the more we can manipulate the numbers to make the bow we currently own the best there is!!! 😂Great job and keep up the good work. Hoyt Ventum 30
@tatt2mac12 жыл бұрын
I really love your channel, What do you think about a revolt x or a reckoning for a 3d setup.. since you're review of the reckoning I think it will be the next bow for me... But I'd like to hear what you think . 🙏
@perryrusso37642 жыл бұрын
Good video, 👍 I will add that a bow with a 7" brace height will always be more accurate because it helps settle and calm the bow down from wobbling or wagging the dog as I like to put it. Mathews has the greatest amount of side-to-side wobble in my oppinion and therefore when your watching a target bow being drawn back you can see the wobble more because of the longer stabilizers compared to a hunting bow set up. Manufacturers push and emphasis speed more than accuracy...it should be the othervway around...if your shooting a hunting set up @ 70 and 80 lbs then speed and less arrow cast becomes the overriding factor over accuracy. First an accurate bow almost always lands on a comfortable and manageable draw cycle....also I like to measure axcel to axcel and mark that center spot on the string then determine how that relates to the berger button location...you would be surprised how often those two locations don't line up....accurate bows most always line up in this regard....thanks again 🎯🎯🎯
@Jimbowiejr2 жыл бұрын
Well done, you need to show people how moving your rest forward or back can reduce torque caused by this
@axiong10362 жыл бұрын
This is super helpful. Wish manufacturers would've disclosed this information instead.
@rileymod25232 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on speed test consistency and causes of variability. I watched a comparison you did on a Mathews and Bowtech bow. The Bowtech speed fluctuated by about 10 FPS and the Mathews was about 3 FPS shooting 3 arrows each. A 10 FPS inconsistency would be noticeable to even an average archer at longer distances. Love watching your videos I have learned alot from them. Keep up the good work.
@reddawng43x91 Жыл бұрын
Funny cuz I watched a bowtech Zion video he did and the 3 arrows shot the same exact speed of 317 fps witch is zero deviation
@montuckyman4982 Жыл бұрын
I bet most of that speed variation is in the Chrono!
@peterquinn93622 жыл бұрын
Great video. What Bow has the least reflex and longest riser for 2022 bow?
@jeremydelaney63642 жыл бұрын
Great video again. Just wondering if l ordered off your shop site do you mail to Australia?
@chur442 жыл бұрын
The reflex distance you talked about make so much sense. I've been thinking about that for years and how that in theory should make a huge difference. Just went and shot a bowtech solution this year and bought it because it held so much more stable in the aspect of torque compared to my halon 6. Great video
@jasonadkins99432 жыл бұрын
Makes sense!
@raywarner47042 жыл бұрын
I agree...good summary on what makes a bow forgiving to shoot. A lot of archers would shoot better if they focus more on bow design and less on speed. If you can't shoot it well, who cares how fast it shoots.
@josephtreadlightly56862 жыл бұрын
Over the last 5 years I have heard several people say in reviews that a brace height in today's bows doesn't matter as much as it did 20 or 30 years ago. Maybe it never has mattered less since every manufacturer is going with longer risers & more parallel limbs. 🤔
@jeremyolson9582 жыл бұрын
Been trying to explain this to people for years. Also how far does a string move passed BH on bows is a factor also before arrow leaves string. Awesome video
@reddawng43x91 Жыл бұрын
Not a factor on todays bows they all have string stoppers
@stick__shooter2 жыл бұрын
Makes sense. Curious which measurement you think is more important. I love my SR6, but have never shot a Mathews besides the older single cams. For long distance shooting between, say, a V3X 33 and a Revolt X, which would be more accurate? How does the CP28 compare to the V3X 29 with riser length and reflex?
@jolookstothestars63582 жыл бұрын
I'll be waiting for that video.😉
@thomaspirone96212 жыл бұрын
2018 Bowtech Realm has a 1 inch reflex and 28 inch riser. Now I know why it is so forgiving / accurate.
@joshsinglefooter2 жыл бұрын
This man is a wizard!!!
@reddawng43x91 Жыл бұрын
And I’ve won archery tournaments with a 1990s pse nova with wheels lol
@reddawng43x91 Жыл бұрын
Gunna have googans showing up at bow shops with tape measures and buying bows based off measurements before they even draw the thing lmao
@rockyreynolds40272 жыл бұрын
Hoyt use to build bows along with PSE that had a Deflex riser and not the prettiest thing to look at but tack drivers for sure
@NPC-fl3gq2 жыл бұрын
Reflex and brace height is all I care about. A2A and riser length make minimal impact on perf unless you're shooting ultra long range. Brace height tells you how soon your arrow leaves the string and reflex tells you how easy it'll be to shoot regarding torquing - this is why I only buy recurve bows with the throat and plunger hole perfectly aligned (vertically).
@bf45552 жыл бұрын
Kick ass information 🤟I measured reflex on my pse ntn at 1 1/2", is this correct?
@shanelong75932 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Do you have the same details for the V3X 33 and Ventum 33?