What Makes The Fremen So Tough? | Dune Lore Deep Dive
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Күн бұрынIn this Fremen DUNE lore deep dive we'll look into the surprising disciplines and practises of the denizens of Arrakis.
0:00 Fremen Origins
0:29 Children of the Moon
3:00 The Benefits of Fasting
6:23 A Day in the life of a Fremen
12:32 Discipline
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@MrDoctorMabuse Ай бұрын
The beautiful paradox: Herbert criticizes religion - ALL religion - and yet at the same time illustrates it with respect and even a tone of awe while not losing the critical perspective. I think it's one of the aspects of his work, this artful tension that draws people in the most.
@dasmysteryman12 Ай бұрын
You have a point. I think you see that in the fact that there are hundreds of religions in the Dune Universe. Most of them have some seeds of the missiona protectiva, but some stand on their own. If Herbert was purely anti-religion, he would have had just one religion in his universe, and that religion would be a caricature.
@DuneSpice Ай бұрын
Great points… love it!!!
@moudhaffarsaidi9457 Ай бұрын
Because religion can be both the road to salvation or a poison, and it's usually both at the same time
@jeniallenby8389 28 күн бұрын
beautifully put
@yet.another.yt.nobody-fm3qz 10 күн бұрын
@@moudhaffarsaidi9457"both at the same time". Kinda sounds like the water of life. It's a poison but with prana-bindu body control the bene geserits can convert the toxic elements and turn into Reverend Mothers.
@Diego-Designs Ай бұрын
I do intermittent fasting. After 2pm, I don't eat anymore until breakfast the next day around 6am.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
It’s been quite surprising to hear how many people actually do intermittent fasting. Pleasantly surprised!
@kinpatsu6366 Ай бұрын
I always wondered what the Fremen ate. When I read Dune, it seemed like they were only ever drinking "spice coffee."
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Right, yeah coffee is a big part of their culture, but there’s also meat wrapped in vine leaves which is found in the Middle East. I think it’s called Waraq ‘Enab and it can contain meat and or rice or both. Chani gives that to Paul to eat so that’s part of the Fremen diet too.
@alkrimiy Ай бұрын
I am fasting, my favorite season of the year. Almost sad, because it's ending next week.
@marcb2raw Ай бұрын
Dune shouldn’t be placed in the sci-fi/fantasy category because what Frank Herbert did was create a possible future for where humans could end up.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
I very much agree with this. It's so disappointing when I see arguments that begin with "but it's fiction" "it's 20,000 years in the future" because it normally indicates the individual has totally missed the point of what Frank Herbert was doing, which is linking all the way back to Earth's history in a pretty realistic way for the most part.
@sixtina1674 Ай бұрын
It's placed there for a reason. Science fiction deals with the effects that science and technological advancements might have on the human condition. Things like spacefold are not imposible but they are not plausible by today's understanding of science. And the genetic memories of the Bene Gesserit, as well as the prescient powers of various users of the spice are quite fantastical from our point of view.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Of course the sci fi genre makes the most sense for Dune, but I get the original posters comment and where they’re coming from. Frank Herbert said once: My Arab friends wonder why it’s called science fiction. Dune they say is a religious commentary. The thing that has often been aimed at it is that it is philosophical fiction, rather than science fiction.”
@marcb2raw Ай бұрын
@@sixtina1674 genetic memories may seem fantastical to those who have lost any connection to our true past. If you ever heard the term Great Reset then you will understand these stories 20k yrs in the future are mirroring something from our past and Frank was well aware and that’s the reason for my original comment.
@fruitygarlic3601 Ай бұрын
@@marcb2raw Frank was not writing about your retvrn daydreams.
@HassanLb31 Ай бұрын
My English is not that goods sorry , but Amazing video my friend, this mind blowing depth and realism future in the dune universe by frank Herbert is very thought provoking, especially that I’m a muslim Thank you my friend and Ramadan Kareem everyone 🌙
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Yes the level of detail Frank Herbert went into is so deep. Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it.
@DuneSpice Ай бұрын
That background music is sooo closed to the Brian Eno Prophecy Theme from the Lynch soundtrack, love it, great choice.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
I know right! I found myself humming it even when I wasn't editing it. I'm definitely going to use it in other videos. Love Brian Eno's Prophecy theme so much. Man I need to revisit Dune 1984!
@marcb2raw Ай бұрын
An idea for another video essay is connecting the use of spice to how we use psychedelics. Like the Egyptians before their downfall used the lotus flower to tap in and in Thoths prophecy, he saw people devolving and becoming a bit more primitive.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
I like that idea! But after how poorly this performed (and some of the negative feedback thumbs downs etc, might have to rethink some things moving forward.
@marcb2raw Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdunewell whatever you decide to produce I’ll tune in.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Thanks man appreciate it. I’m still pleased with how this one turned out though. Thanks for watching and for the kind support!
@gnarlyandy1 Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune Don't let some small number of down votes get in the way of great Dune content.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Appreciate that, glad you see the content that way. You’re right, it shouldn’t get in the way.
@mervekarc7955 Ай бұрын
I like Dune lore, but I haven't came across a content about the prayer and fasting practices of the fremen so thank you for the video, I really enjoyed it. I'm fasting the ramadan by the way, muslim or not everbody should experience this humbling practise.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
You're welcome. Yes I think it's a topic that is rarely touched on so I thought, seeing as though it is Ramadan, why not make something on it. I know many people who aren't Muslim who also fast Ramadan and join in with their friends, family, colleagues etc. It has so many health benefits and definitely trains you in the spiritual discipline sense. It's a great time and way to quit bad habits too. I probably should have mentioned that. Maybe next time haha.
@mohamedhatem301 7 күн бұрын
Excellent video as always ❤ Shout-out from Cairo 👋🏻👋🏻
@secretsofdune 7 күн бұрын
Ahlan wa sahlan! Thank you Mohamed I really appreciate it.
@kasimcaglayan9795 Ай бұрын
Nice and very respectful Frank Herbert wrote in his time... I am fasting as well, and become quite 'zen' when I am control with myself... Keep up the good work 💪
@ir8123 Ай бұрын
As it was written ehamdullila!
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
"Again, it is the Legend" - same energy
@superchromatical Ай бұрын
Really nice, detailed breakdown!
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Thanks, I'm happy you enjoyed it.
@user-fx5cd4px3k Ай бұрын
what a great video. i will try to fast more often as a result of this video :) also Ramadan Kareem!
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Thank you! really glad you enjoyed it. I think it's a fascinating discipline which deserves to be more synonymous with the Dune and the Fremen. From what I've seen it doesn't get much attention so I thought I'd touch on it. Ramadan Mubarak
@ProjectMathesar Ай бұрын
I was raised Orthodox Jewish and our Fast Days mandated no food at all and no more than a cheek-full of water for 25 hours. I'll never stop being confused at how/why Frank Herbert seemingly brings back my old religion whole cloth in the final books.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
It was a surreal experience reading the last two books with the literal rabbis (If I remember correctly). Quite interesting though. I'd love to read more Jewish takes on the later books and their meanings. I guess it links back to the Kwisatz Haderach.
@ProjectMathesar Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune Well, I can start by pointing out that the name "Chani," if pronounced with the throaty "Kha" sound that we learn from the 8th letter of the Hebrew alphabet, likely stems from the word "Chai" - meaning life, or "Chaya" - meaning "spirit of life" or "midwife." Though you probably already knew that. One thing I recall from my first reading of Dune was that Herbert had a bunch of instances where he mixed Arabic and Hebrew phrases together. I wouldn't be shocked if he used some Aramaic terms from the Talmud either.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Chani was born at the "prayer wall of Sietch Tabr" which I always found interesting@@ProjectMathesar
@ProjectMathesar Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune "Sietch Tabr" could also stem from the term "Tabernacle" - the holy tent structure used by the Hebrews during their 40 years in the desert. There's some fitting parallels between the two. I feel like we could go back and forth for days on the cross-pollination between the two religions and Dune.
@MrDoctorMabuse Ай бұрын
He is showing perhaps the unchanging aspect of certain cultural influences and presences over exceptionally long periods of time and history, and its relation to Bene Gesserit practices in parallel. It's a strange "philo" semitism yes.
@shanepartington7667 Ай бұрын
Great vid
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Thanks I appreciate it. Glad you enjoyed it.
@avecrali Ай бұрын
I fast during the day most days, but I drink lots of water, without water I get headaches : )) Awesome video, thanks Ali ❤
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Ah the "water" fast. Definitely not a Fremen thing haha! That's great though. I often skip breakfast and lunch too to be honest and only drink water.
@gnarlyandy1 Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune This is what I often do, Skip breakfast and lunch then only eat Supper. Probably 3 or 4 days a week.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
@@gnarlyandy1 that's really good. I've lost weight that way.
@shanenolan5625 Ай бұрын
I like the line. About the freman. They have that quality like a bow , About to fire . ( can't spell it , a German word )
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Ah yes: Spannungsbogen!
@hantubelaung Ай бұрын
You can interpret it as a warning too. Why? Because Fremen are fundamentalists and fanatical to a fault. IRL, there are people like that since the early Islamic era. They were called Khawarij. Now, we call them Terrorist.
@carlosvelasco3471 Ай бұрын
Very insightful on how fasting works in the world of Dune. It will make the 18-6 more fruitful at the end.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Yeah I found myself wondering how it would actually work on Dune. I hope I was able to at least give a general idea of what it would look like from the little we know from the books. Thanks for watching!
@albertomoleroaguilera6597 Ай бұрын
Nice video! I love your channel, best Dune content on youtube! Could you please give me the link of the miniature image? It's amazing.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
That is very kind of you thank you. Are you referring to the image of Paul at 7:07 ?
@albertomoleroaguilera6597 Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune Yeah sorry, I mean the thumbnail, it's an amazing art.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Yeah no worries. It's actually key art for the Dune x Risk collaboration. I've managed to grab some of the art off of a facebook thumbnail @@albertomoleroaguilera6597 Let me know if the link works for you: scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t15.5256-10/428763265_1120773572607883_1650739005254925212_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=596eb7&_nc_ohc=pS8FLOhy640Ab4ynlr3&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=00_AfC_Hkippd81VKgCsk59DOzd-w2BOmNp_Ug6nWg4mZfkpQ&oe=6619AFE9
@albertomoleroaguilera6597 Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune yes it works. Thank you so much! Keep up your nice content! 😄
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
@albertomoleroaguilera6597 you’re welcome. Thank you for all the support!
@jeniallenby8389 28 күн бұрын
came back for another watch
@gavsapir9271 Ай бұрын
I love the introduction to Ramadan and Dune here! It is very educational. Can we make a video about prayer and its function in the book and islam, particularly around Jamis' passing and the war council in the South of Arrakis? When I think of the Lady Jessica does it feel slightly odd if the we push the comparison to current Islam? What is her role in such comparison?
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yes I was surprised that Ramadan was actually in Dune and fasting was fully practised by the Fremen, but there were no Dune lore videos that covered the fact. Yes very interesting about Prayer and it's function. I think this is going to be covered in a video about The relationship between the Fremen and Sandworms in the near future and it will be a kind of deep dive into the practises and customs of the Fremen, even more than this video. Very interesting point about Jessica which I will keep in mind. I think that element I will explore in the Bene Gesserit/Sayyadina video which is hopefully coming next!
@don_bernacz Ай бұрын
I fast for my health, as im currently overweight and trying not to be - but its a wet fast (still ok to drink water, tea etc)... I can attest to the benefits, if nothing else my clothes fit better 🤣
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
That's really good. I didn't realise it but I was practising intermittent fasting while drinking a small amount of water, because I'd skip breakfast and lunch most days. Wait... am I Fremen?
@don_bernacz Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune well the best place to store water is inside the body, right?!
@shanenolan5625 Ай бұрын
I thought ramayana was in the text as well. ? ( edit ) you got to it
@keturahspencer1211 Ай бұрын
They are Zensuni in yhe books. I wonder how the Buhdist influences would effect the tradition.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
I don't think it affects it much. Buddhists also fast. Siddhartha Gautama meditated and fasted under a tree. Trees are scarce on Dune but perhaps it's the ideal place to sit and pray.
@keturahspencer1211 Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune I don't think it would be much either, but maybe some small cultural expression of it. Perhaps a meditation or Buhdist chant would be included?
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
@keturahspencer1211 yes perhaps so! To be fair, there’s very little Buddhist elements in the Fremen religion apart from the Tau, which is the oneness of the Sietch. I think Frank Herbert saw a perfect synergy between the two faiths and saw a lot of Zen in the Sunni writings if that makes sense haha.
@alkrimiy Ай бұрын
I think Zen influence is more about direct intuition through meditation, self-contemplation etc.
@keturahspencer1211 Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune agreed, I always did want to see a few more Buhdist elements just because they were supposed to be there. On a side note, the fact that coffee service in this fictional universe is important enough to still be there 20,000 years in the future and through interstellar migration just makes me happy.
@fruitygarlic3601 Ай бұрын
The Fremen's military superiority is attributed to the harsh conditions of Arrakis, which I took as a metaphor for the enlightenment fasting is said to bring; so the Fremen who live in a constant fast are rewarded. I wondered, what could they give up when they already have so little? I then assumed that the Fremen were exempt from mandatory fasting during the period like some Muslims very impoverished, pregnant, or liable to poor health are. I did not notice all of the series' signs that they still observed the month especially, except for an old woman using it as a marker of time.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Yeah it’s fascinating that they still observe it despite how hard their life technically is. It means there’s more to it than meets the eye, something deeply ingrained in humanity is going on or at least something of known great benefit.
@user-gn1cl9ix7p Ай бұрын
2:36 -- It's "symbolic of symbolisms", is it?
@23uncbball Ай бұрын
Nice work bro
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Thank you, appreciate it
@tomhahnl1927 Ай бұрын
Great Video, I do fast but not for religious reasons only for health reasons. What struck me when watching Dune Part Two, the Fremen are Palestine and the Harkonnen are Israel! The collective West is the emperor and the other great houses, I do hope/wish in about 8.000 years humanity is beyond war!! Oh and something else: is Arrakis a dried out Earth and only humans who lived in the desert (mostly Muslims) survived???
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
That's good it has more health benefits than we might realise, not just in the weight loss sense. No Arrakis is another planet itself, but It would be interesting if we kind of ended where we began kind of scenario without realising it. I still think it would be a cool theory to explore. I think the unfinished Dune 7 would have answered this. Something I want to explore in the future.
@maazahmed506 Ай бұрын
"What struck me when watching Dune Part Two, the Fremen are Palestine and the Harkonnen are Israel! The collective West is the emperor and the other great houses, I do hope/wish in about 8.000 years humanity is beyond war!!" You have a very simplistic view of reality.
@saadahmed7320 Ай бұрын
As a muslim, I have to clarify that we fast purely for the sake of Allah and not other worldly benefits. The concept behind is that Allah (God, Supreme Being, Infinite Power) wants us to abstain from Halal (Allowed) things and show our loyalty towards him. It's difficult, painful and hard work. Especially, in summers Ramadan is no walk in the park. But Allah says, " My people Fasts for me and I will give them reward worthy of their sacrifice". Another place he say, "O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting, as it was decreed upon those before you, that you may become righteous." So, whether or not we get the physical benefits, doesn't matter! What we seek is entirely spiritual.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Yes that true. I didn’t go into too much depth there, but what I tried to show was that aside from the spiritual reasons, fasting also has numerous benefits on the body’s health, not just the obvious weight loss elements. From my understanding, in Islam whatever is prescribed to do is for the benefit of humanity whether they understand it or not, as in whether the real reasons or all of the reasons are disclosed or not. And there are some things mentioned in Islamic texts that are left a mystery which is where bi la kaifa comes into things (also a phrase used on Dune haha).
@AaronOmar-co8bn Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune bi la kaifa is part of Islamic concepts, in some ways. lots of schools of thought have different ways solving their religious scriptures, at the end of the day, its theological discussions etc like in all religions.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
@@AaronOmar-co8bn Yes in fact bi la kaifa is a solid concept in Islam developed by the prominent scholar Ahmed Ibn Hanbal when dealing with concepts that cannot be comprehended or interpreted literally, for example "The Hand of God." It's all rather interesting stuff.
@sz4369 Ай бұрын
Ramadan gang!
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
"What made the Fremen such infamous opponents?" "Fasting bro." 🥛🌌
@shanenolan5625 Ай бұрын
Didn't get a notification on this
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Oh man 😥 that sucks. I was going to make a post about it today as a reminder. Thanks for watching, better late than never haha.
@johnjones115 Ай бұрын
Damn I didn't receive a notification
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Yeah I'm hearing several people didn't. Thanks for watching!
@CrysolasChymera2117 Ай бұрын
They come from the Zensunni
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Right. That might have been developed off-world or far into Earth's future. Cool concept.
@Mrz_gotban Ай бұрын
😂
@DuneSpice Ай бұрын
This was an awesome video… love the Islamic tie-ins.
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
Thanks really glad you liked it! 🕌 Haha
@DuneSpice Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune seriously, it was an awesome video. You inspired me to try fasting, which I’ve never done and this week I’m going to Whole Foods to find me some Dates. I must eat like a Fremen.
@user-gn1cl9ix7p Ай бұрын
Wait. How long is "April" on other planets?
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
They would calculate 12 months depending on the planet they were currently on and its rotation etc.
@user-gn1cl9ix7p Ай бұрын
0:20 - why does everyone keep putting random "of"s in their sentences?
@lemecordinair Ай бұрын
If they worship a worm then No need to a salat anymore Salat meaning linkage Or connecting
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
I don't think they worship the worm. They revere it which is different. I need to make a video on it.
@aub3365 Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune or maybe there is also division among the freemen regarding beliefs and practices?
@lemecordinair Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune Thanks It will be interesting to develop I don't know if Herbert was clear on this point...
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
In the books there wasn’t division really, only after the war there were differences in the way they do things because of the added dimension of Paul as emperor now. But if there was anything strange it usually is a bene gesserit manipulation. I will touch on this and I think it will be an interesting video.
@shanenolan5625 Ай бұрын
Fasting is good for the soul . ( old Christian saying)
@oodbooy Ай бұрын
Thanks to Russia now i have Arrival Open Matte
@lemecordinair Ай бұрын
Herbert rightly describes fanatic tribes not the true islam ofcourse
@secretsofdune Ай бұрын
The fanatical legions were only emboldened through Paul and his ascent to power via his revenge trip. I don't think the Fremen were inherently fanatical.
@lemecordinair Ай бұрын
@@secretsofdune From memory I believe that at least a very large majority of the Fremen people were. Shani's position in the film and that of the people of the north was interesting, indicating that it is true that there is a difference between the Fremen, but that doesn't seem to have any bearing on events.
@rimacalid6557 Ай бұрын
@@secretsofduneIf I was a fremen I'd take the opportunity to have revenge on my oppressors, the imperium must pay even if it is for a blind guy.
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