love how the overchart just looks like a normal osumania map

I cannot believe you made us listen to this song over and over

This is like two-thirds of FNF charting

the undermapped one makes a lot more sense than some people think because its actually harder to play an undermapped level if you are higher skilled

Hot take: light overcharting can be fun if it's done well. Obviously don't just spam 32nd notes everywhere but still.

*excessive rolls and too many jacks* Every single FNF mod charter: “But it’s challenging and difficult!!

Undermapping is my least favorite thing in FNF. When I change difficulties, I don't ask for undermapping, I ask for easier charting, like removing or putting less gimmick notes, or something that required multiple notes to be pressed at once, becomes one note or at least fewer. Undermapping ruins the flow of a song. You legitimately _feel_ like there should be a note here or there, when there just literally isn't one, it _feels wrong._ It _almost_ makes a song harder for more skilled players because you instinctively want to press a note at that point, and at the same time it doesn't teach new players to get better because they're used to there not being as many notes.

the "absurd spike" is so true and so painful especially in the last 4 seconds of an 8 minute song

Yay, a Stepmania video in 2021!

ngl the “overcharted” one was still pretty good but besides that yeah most of these are painful

Gods, I hate it when I'm playing an easier rhythm game chart and for some reason the charter decided the notes that you can't hear are the only notes that should be mapped

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="174">2:54</a> As a person who plays osu!mania W h a t i s o v e r m a p p e d h e r e ?

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="216">3:36</a> fnf mods in a nutshell.

"dont put pointless streams" fnf tutorial:

alternatively to someone: what to put in your stepmania chart

tbh im completely ok with overmapped songs as long as they stick to the beat (half notes directly in between the full notes)

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="265">4:25</a> Who let an FNF mod creator get a hold ofStepMania?

pointless stream is actually used for dump charts which are named "dumpstreams", so it's actually not pointless

“No excessive jacks” Beep power: let’s start with, easy. 5 SECONDS LATER now we will do INSANE JACKS. Fingers: *dead intensifies*

Lmao "overcharting" is litteraly anything above 3* in osu mania lol.

“No excessive rolls” Hitsugi no Futago: anyway, I started rolling-

Use this for making the hardest map.

Hearing each loop on the song makes me cry harder and harder

The Overchart one isn’t bad at all, that looks pretty normal for a mid-level keyboard chart. Overcharting (as long as it’s not too excessive) is usually only considered bad on pad charts, it’s mostly fine for keyboard charts.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="265">4:25</a> As an fnf player I can confirm that this is how it feels to play fnf mods

I am entirely convinced this is just a dig at the fnf communities charting and I have absolutely 0 issue with it

I once found a Stepmania pack in which every single song was a long and out-of-place stream.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="176">2:56</a> i dont see anything wrong with this one, it just makes it more fun (and harder) overcharting is fine as long as the note placement still makes some sense, like in the minute above

The long holds arent particularly that long tbh. But imo most important than which pattern to use is to have a good structure/justification to back those up. Same with streams, jacks and under/over charting

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="217">3:37</a> is just a phase 3 fnf song

Hey for you're next complitations can you do lagtrain?

as someone who got into rhythm games through FNF *this video compiled all my troubles into one*

"Excesive Rolls" "Too many jacks" 2005 ITG Charters: What?

I’d say I’m more in the intermediate level than anything. I’m not close to becoming “good” but I’m confident enough of my skills that I can do some songs

"absurd difficulty spike" a fool moon night: :/

That overcharted one actually looked kinda fun.

Basically many FNF mods nowadays, I can only find few (and I mean a few) mods that actually follow these rules ending up really good.

Quaver suffers the most from things like this

Merry Christmas! 🎁🎄

Pointless stream, undermapped, overmapped, and difficulty spike were honestly fine and still looked fun

Also, make sure to play-test before finishing.

the overmapped one looks fun as hell ngl

well obviously the only reason why there are people who are really good at mixed-patterns and hard beatmaps r cuz the beatmaps they play are just straight up overmapped BUT the only reason why A FEW of them are RANKED and LOVED is because the maps have readable and a good mix of patterns that perfectly syncs with the song static and beat at each section of the song. all though, most of the singular overmapped difficulty maps are GRAVEYARDED. after all, i can say that overmapping (especially on mania) is half good, half not. if u wanna make an overmapped (singular or more difficulties) beatmaps then i suggest u to have a good mix between different patterns that syncs with different stages of the song and if u wanna add extra notes then i suggest u to put them where the extra note beats (usually kicks and drum beats) to make it more like a remix (which adds extra beats to the original song). if u think my suggestions could be wrong then you should probably ask professional mappers (e.g.: sotarks, and more…) and professional players who does do mapping and have them RANKED or LOVED (e.g.: jakads, and more…). that’s all i had to say. like if u agree, dislike if u don’t agree. (this outro may seems similar to some yter’s outros lol ngl) if there are anyone who doesn’t know about the osuniverse still reading this, why???? u don’t understand what this is about then why are u keep reading this?????????

As an old school player, I was expecting a "roll" (green hold) when you said roll. Silly me

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="186">3:06</a> easy osu!mania map <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="266">4:26</a> every fnf mod

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="216">3:36</a> and <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="264">4:24</a> are basically fnf mods in a nutshell

I love how an empty map is capable of making stepmania *step out of the stage*

I assume this could work for Clone Hero <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="101">1:41</a> - For Whom the Bells Told In GH Metallica (This is unavoidable in this case since the Guitar is relativity boring for most of the singing part) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="175">2:55</a> Stricken and Before I Forget in GH3 <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="214">3:34</a> - I feel like that applies to "The Way it Ends" in GH3 <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="222">3:42</a> - Raining Blood in GH Smash Hits <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="235">3:55</a> Raining Blood again but the GH3 version (Mosh 1)

The difficulty spike is Robeats in a nutshell

"pointless stream" is called dump and it's art

If I ever take up NotITG modding, I've gotta remember the undermapping bit

As a mania player that "overchart" looks so fun to play

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="217">3:37</a> び Edit: The song was hardcore stuck in my head after watching the video. So I had to come back and download the sim files.

i would play this as a map in its entirety

Since I've been charting for a while and experience a lot of charting styles from pump, osu, fnf, ddr and smx, here's what I can say about each: Really long hold notes: That's D2R Freeze Special. Also, kinda subjective but the example given does show the point. Make sure your holds have some reason to exist, including those at the end. Pointless stream: That's pump charting in a nutshell for a lot of charts (Wedding Crashers, Inefficient Boss Without Power, Bad Apple, Rolling Christmas, and pro players know how many more). Can be tastefully implemented in the more musically intense parts of a chart if you want some extra difficulty. Wrong BPM: I've done this shit before and unless we're talking about live recorded music or BPMs used with consideration to quantization, avoid doing this. Even for my old charts where I didn't know what BPM tappers and sync tempo was, I can't forgive myself for trying to give songs a higher BPM than they do because FOR FUCKS SAKE DO YOU KNOW HOW TO CHANGE THE BPM TO SOMETHING THAT ISN'T 128? (Don't take the caps lock too seriously, it's an inside joke where every pop song is a 12X BPM song) Excessive rolls: I thought you meant the actual roll mechanic where instead of tapping once on a long note, you need to keep tapping on it or else it lets go. Regardless, this should apply to any pattern (and a segment also related to this). I understand thematics within a chart (such as AIR and FREEZE specials being focused on jumps and holds respectively), but too much of one thing really does not help. Some places where repeated patterns were used tastefully were in Nageki no ki CSP and Lachryma CSP, and in both cases we're talking about short segments. Boring map: Here we keep touching on what's said earlier. Even on lower difficulties the patterns should at least stimulate the brain to learn something new. Endless LR streams should be left for testing the sync; they should end at some point. Unfinished: I can forgive this if you're working on like 50+ songs in different packs and suck at organization, or there's a good reason to keep an empty space somewhere. Empty spaces are not indicative of a bad chart, but if it's really easy to tell the chart was not yet finished, then there's a problem. Over-Finished: Boi, I remember doing this as a child with MAXX Unlimited on the PS2. As much as it can be memeable, I rarely see a purpose for letting a chart continue past the song's duration. Undermapped: This is very dependent on context, because lower difficulties *must* be undermapped because they're supposed to be easier than the highest difficulty and help players learn the game. The key to a lower difficulty chart uses a bit of level design and you have a lot of freedom with what you want to do with them. I've sometimes used lower difficulties to introduce very high level mechanics because most of the times a 16th triplet at 280BPM will be found on the upper echelon of charts, not really the lower ones. Same with stepjumps at any BPM higher than 120BPM 16ths, the faster the chart, the rarer they are at lower difficulties. Overmapped: I tend to do this even nowadays for higher difficulty charts, but my approach is different, or at least more nuanced. It's really down to perception, and sometimes I overchart depending on what I see in the music. Overcharting can also be used with some level design elements if you want to lead up to another chart. Think of how Eon Break CSP in DDR preceded Breaking The Future in DDR. While the former is not overcharted, it is a strong example of how you can use one thing to help players scale up to the next incoming chart. There's also a few examples of footswitches in DDR X3 and 2013 for the sake of helping people learn the pattern... and then came Scarlet Police to make sure this is meta. Too Many Jacks: Bi Challenge and FNF Quads: Would make sense if this was 5-key or more, but I rarely see a point to quad streams. Jump drills make more sense than this. Absurd difficulty spike: I can argue this can be omnipresent in any rhythm game incarnated in any song. ITG stamina charts do this all the time, DDR has a few charts like Valkyrie Dimension and Pluto Relinquish and I think they have their own point (and Breaking the fucking future CSP), osu I've seen this happen in various charts since it heavily relies on utilizing the song and most songs have calmer parts and more note heavy parts. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA: 1949 D28's ending. Empty map: If you have a theme with a groove radar or really any indication of a chart's contents, this is easy to spot and most likely an oversight cause I don't think a lot of people would intentionally leave a chart empty aside of memeable purposes. Also, how the hell did Stepmania crash from that XD Anyways, I've had my time but since I view charting as an art, these ~~except for syncing your chart correctly~~ are not rules, but rather my perspective on charting, and what the video shows is mostly dedicated to 4-key while my perspective expands to pad and keyboard play. Time again has shown that my views are subjective since not everyone agrees with them... and I tend to like charts that are more challenging and infamous among a community, especially in DDR, which is my specialty. Do what you like and you'll find like-minded people that will like your charts. *posts this so it can be buried in the comments section and never be seen*

"Excessive rolls" I don't know what that means but all I see is Glitcher from FNF VS Hex because Friday Night Funkin' is the first rhythm game to keep me from playing once then never again

Alternatively, you could potentially flip this into how to make a dump chart

Overmapped actually brings difficulty into a song that would normally be a easy 1 star map (the same goes for undermapping. I don't understand how, nor why but whenever i try to play undermapped maps i can't concentrate / fall asleep and fail)

Tu eres muy pro, que videos tan buenos, si no entiendes mi comentario, tipo, te volviste re famoso en comunidad en español :D eres un pro

well... i just got in stepmania few months ago and this is exactly what happened to me XD especiallly the absurd difficulty spike, pointless stream and empty map

Excessive rolls is so satisfying

I really like the overmapped one its like a remix

Happy birthday 🎂

Fnf map makers should be taking notes

I also add WARP SPEEDS ARROWS. Fast arrows are OK in some cases, but not in the whole song. We could change the speed but it is tedious to switch speed every time we want to play a specific song.

That stream looked really fun tho :D

The overmapped one looks kinda fun

Run vs bob be like: <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="265">4:25</a>

I'll use this, thx

thanks, i will completely ignore this advice for my next simfile

Excessive Rolls Be Like: (the beginning of Glitcher - VS Hex) 💀

I feel like it’s always hard to fine songs that are charted well. I don’t mind playing things that are outside of my difficulty range because it lets me practice and get better but I still want it to be good. I want all of the notes to make sense at least a little bit And I feel like a lot of things are just way over charted

some of these looked fun tho ngl

I think i found a underrated KZfaqr here. He funny af

The over charted on autoplay sounds kinda good

But the overcharted hitsounds sound so good with the song lol

I actually enjoy overcharted maps, I don't know why other people don't!

this mf uploaded during school

The overcharted one is a bop i want the full version

ive had some maps like this, and man is it so dissatisfying or becomes blatantly unfair

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="265">4:25</a> The keyboard of someone who beats this: ↪↖️➡️↖️↙️⬅️⬇️↖️↩↖️⏸🔀⏫⏮⏫↖️

That overmapped looks okay to me lol

"jacks" five second finnian at that moment: "I'm milking this" also making it hard isn't bad

Imma be honest, excessive rolls for me as a pad player for ITG/DDR could be useful for me in training and as a warmup

Fnf charters: WRITE EVERYTHING IN HERE DOWN THEN USE IT AS A CHART

Title says “Step Mania”, why is everyone talking about fnf?

This is more of a personal grievance, but I don't like maps/charts with multiple jumps/doubles/trips/etc one after another that don't correspond with a bass or kick. It throws my brain for a curve ball, which sucks because all of my favorite songs have advanced charts that I can't clear because I'm not dextrous enough nor do I have the sensory prowess to process audio and visual at that speed. Great video!

you know you've overcharted when the hit sounds sound better than the song

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="216">3:36</a> that's why WASD and arrow keys exist

Can you do a tutorial on how to make a song pack? Or How To Create A Song Chart? For Instance, I Wanna Create: Wagan Midnight OP Chart, Initial D OP1 Chart, Hajime No Ippo OP1, Rainbow OP, etc. I'd really appreciate it if possible :,)

I also haye when there's just random svs that come out of nowhere

excessive rolls and quads are the maps i love :)))))

The overcharted one is legit not as bad as the actual chart for this song I've seen in osu mania

Unnecessary streams are kinda fun tho ngl

This is great.

alternate title: "what to put in your StepMania map

My video buffered during the really long hold note part and I thought that was part of the joke

That overmaped one at the beginning was fine... until it was clearly not.

what i really hate is when the song changes speeds to an extreme degree. im playing just fine and suddenly all the notes are super slow and bunched together and i cant tell what the hell im looking at. but speeding it up just makes the rest of the song way too fast to read D:< why D:

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="175">2:55</a> Mario Paint D-ANOTHER with its ~465 BPM dumps: *I am inside your walls now* (Fixed BPM because I realized it uses 1/6 snap)