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Kuro here. I appreciate you covering my side of the story in this video. The conflict between Butch and myself happened years before I went public with the information. Originally I had no intention of making a big fuss about it, but I eventually decided to speak up against his mishandling of our contract to officially distance myself from him once I caught wind of the harmful and offensive statements he made about mental illness. I opened the court case as a testament that his "unstoppable force" is penetrable, in hopes to inspire others to take appropriate actions as well. It was also to clarify that despite previously working for him, I do not hold the same views and opinions, which many unfortunately assumed at the time. However, I do want to clarify that some of the statements in this video are incorrect. I was not replaced for ImagiNathan, but in fact was the replacement for the original animator, Jeremy Chinshue, whose work you are showcasing in the video. That version was completed and scrapped before he brought me on. The version of ImagiNathan I worked on was a more action-focused reboot featuring an older version of Nathan. Aside from showcasing a few frames of an animatic I put together featuring boards from an unknown artist, all of my work on my version of ImagiNathan never saw the light of day. This also includes the work I did for Elf Detective, which I also largely went underpaid for and was scrapped as well.

Butch Hartman is a good case study on what happens when you let popularity get to your head. First, his writing started to suffer. Then, he basically became a poorly written cartoon character himself.

Calling introverts selfish is rich coming from an extrovert whose entire personality revolves around himself being "the creator of your childhood"

It’s wild to me that he is so insensitive about depression especially because there’s literally a danny phantom episode about the kids getting depressed because of a villain and Danny has to process it and overcome it, which was always really cathartic for me as I have depression

Hartman is crazy for saying he "paved the way for serialized cartoons" while showing AVATAR THE LAST AIRBENDER💀💀💀

As someone who was raised Christian... Wanting to be personally credited with someone getting into Heaven has to be one of THE most blasphemous things I've ever heard in my LIFE!

"This isn't me asking for your money, this is me asking for your prayers" Damn, I didn't know prayers came in green

The whole “the ghosts were never deceased people” baffles me. Wasn’t there word from the show’s crew members that Ember’s backstory was; she died in a house fire cause she was exhausted after waiting all night for a date that stood her up. Not to mention Desiree’s living backstory is literally stated in the show. 😂

"You are making everyone else feel uncomfortable" bro that is the worst thing to say to an introvert.

"People who critique are weak" How did this man even survive art school??

The main thing about the "Wise like the serpent, harmless as a dove" that bugs me is that that line was to tell the disciples how to preach the gospel around people that were *active threats to their lives*. The way Butch quotes it, implies that he sees everyone that he isn't buddy-buddy with as a threat to him. And that is legitimately terrifying.

Christian with depression here. I've always found it so confusing when other Christians tell you that depression is some kind of personal failure on your part. We are supposed to help and soothe those who are suffering. Kindness and caring for others is supposed to be a cornerstone of our faith. (Also, we're not supposed to pass judgement on others.)

when fairly odd parents was cancelled, i can only imagine he shook his fist, "Hillenburg!"

"Butch claimed God told him to make Oaxis" Mama always said that if someone tells you God spoke to them, fucking RUN.

Butch Hartman blocked me on Tick Tock because I kept calling him out about his oaxis scam. he has no intention of ever following through with that project, and the people who donated to it got their money stolen from them. not only is he a piss poor artist, he's also a scam artist. I wish nothing but the worst for Butch Hartman

I tell this story all the time but here we go: I met Butch Hartman while I was a barista at Starbucks. I was working the register during a busy peak on a Saturday when this woman came in and ordered a decaf London fog. The hot teas come in bags and we do not and never have carried decaf Earl Grey tea, the main ingredient in a London fog. After explaining this, she rolled her eyes at me said “I’ve always ordered this! You clearly have no idea how to do your job”. She proceed to just order it regular. That’s when her partner come in, Butch Hartman. I was bamboozled but wasn’t entirely sure it was him so I stayed silent. The first thing she says to him is “She doesn’t know how to make a decaf London Fog” and he goes “is that the spiced drink or the Peach one?”. I was thrown for a loop because that confused me more. Peach. She wanted the Peach herbal tea (which was non caffeinated, not decaf) to replace the main ingredient in a London fog which is the Earl Grey. I finished their order and Butch asked for a Berry Trio parfait. After I scan his account, that’s when I realized it was in fact Butch Hartman standing before me. I quickly finished up without acknowledging him in any way because they both were kind of snide and giving off awful energy. The last thing I wanted to do was fangirl about Danny Phantom after I pissed his partner off. They get their drinks and go to sit down before Butch comes back to the counter and goes “I’m gonna need a spoon with this unless you want me to eat it with my hands”. Yeah I don’t miss working at Starbucks.

Tara's uncomfortable laugh as Butch blames her for her friend's unaliving on live media is just horrifying.

I find it funny that almost every Butch Hartman drawing of Butch Hartman looks like the Chad meme

"I defy you, Heartman!" Patrick Star. You know, with people now wondering if "Dirty Dan" was a foreshadowing of Dan Schenider, one has to wonder whether that "Heartman" joke was onto something too?

Ironic, considering Pride is considered the deadliest of the deadly sins.

Kuro: "Hey Butch, can you pay me?" Butch: "I'M GOING GHOST!"

Ego. Its all ego. As a christian man, doesn't he know one of the deadliest sins is Pride?

Hearing his wife say that they want people to approach them in Heaven and tell them that they're the reason they're there makes me question their faith in general. Who's the Savior here, Butch? I'm shivering just thinking about it.

1:10:55 "Obviously not actual dead ppl because im a christian i wouldnt do that" Scott Cawthon (a christian): here's a game about animatronics being haunted by ghost kids this is the exact thought i had when Butch said that lmao

"He fights ghosts, but not the ghosts of dead people-" Well what are they then? The ghosts of christmas past, present and future?

Tara says that Bergman was her friend right as Butch starts making jokes about suicide, and the look of Tara's face says it all.

Ok, it didn't knew there were actually 10 Fairly OddParents movies, that is kind of surprising....but 3 live action movies !? that is just unbelievable.

As a Christian… I just feel the need to point out that the seven mountains thing isn’t even biblical. The idea that humans can facilitate the return of Christ is contradictory to what it actually says in the Bible about the return of Christ. The idea that human’s have any authority over the return of Christ is contradictory over what the Bible says. It’s false doctrine fueled by pride and hubris. Even the Bible says that Pride comes before Destruction and it also says not to lie, so the fact that Butch Hartman lied about the mission of Oaxis and used a loophole to not pay Kuro breaks my heart, since he’s not even acting the way Christian faith says we should be (a problem with lots of modern Christians, truth be told). It’s just painful to see how Butch conducted himself through everything after his Nick days.

Imagine getting mad at being fired from a show for not doing the job well. And then blaming the show for not being good. That's so petty it's comical

He gave Butch the “what happened” video essay with the thumbnail of the person with their eyes crossed out by their actions, it’s so over.

The animation change at 35:37 is a jump scare. The production value went down soooo much in the later seasons

The whole idea of the seven-mountain mandate is so very cultic, it's disturbing.

Holy crap. I'd have walked out if someone joked that I caused someone's suicide, I wouldn't care about whatever contracts I was under. What the heck.

“Backstory for Ember released by Butch reveals that she was unpopular in high school when she was alive and dreamed of becoming a rock star. When a boy asked her out to the movies, she accepted, but the boy stood her up as she waited for him all night. Once morning came, she returned home and fell asleep from exhaustion. However, her house mysteriously caught on fire, and despite efforts by firefighters to put the blaze out, Ember burned to death or died from smoke inhalation as her home burned to the ground. Upon becoming a ghost, she gained both her rock star dream she had when she was still mortal, and pyrokinetic powers due to the fire that claimed her life” directly copied from the Danny Phantom Character Wikipedia page. It literally mention her dying or having been alive or a mortal human prior to becoming a ghost FOUR TIMES. No where does it say she’s a “human like monster from another dimension”

Hillenburg =Dinkleburg Timmy's dad features, jaw line haircolor = Butch Hartman Fruadian slip in the greatest way possible 😂

I love that John F Fountain (director behind many of the FOP memorable episodes) has been very vocal on Twitter on Butch’s BS. Like how John would solo direct a whole episode by himself, then Butch would change a single frame- then slap his “co-director” name on the credits

"We never had Danny fight humans." In her introductory episode, we hear about how Desire died being forced into a relationship with a husband. That drove her to grant everyones wishes in her death.

Finding out about Stephen Silver was what really ticked me off about this whole ordeal. Butch was profiting off of and making a name for himself by using Stephen's work. Meanwhile, most of us have never even heard of him before.

Butch Hartman blaming Tara Strong for Mary Kay Bergman committing suicide pisses me off to no end. how dare you blame Tara for what happened to her friend that in itself is fucking ghoulish

“We’re here in heaven because of your cartoon” Yoooooooo if that’s what their end goal is after they die then boy are they in for a rude awakening when God calls out their pride ☠️

The fact that his self-insert's name is Rip Studwell is bad enough, but did he also have to make him a doctor, bodybuilder, and chick magnet? Oh, wait. I think I answered my own question.

Butch Hartman went on to become the IRL Harvey Dent of the Nickelodeon arc. Considering _Fairly Oddparent's_ tragic demise, the show lives long enough to see itself becoming a villain instead of dying as hero.

The "I did it, why can't you?" Idea is called survivorship bias.

The working for/with Disney thing is a bit of a nitpick. He clearly says at 28:16 he wanted to work "for" Disney, as in be in their employ, as in work for them as an employee of Disney. But he only ever worked with them in short freelance capacity. Never becoming their employee. I know when I talk to my entertainment industry friends there is a clear distinction of working for someone and working with someone. Like "I work for Warner Bros" means something different than "I work with Warner Bros."

My jaw DROPPED when I heard him say "It was probably your fault" about Mary Kay's death and Tara. I don't know how anybody could possibly think that was even remotely OK to say, let alone laugh about.

the fact the hartmans want to be PERSONALLY CREDITED into getting in to heaven??? do they think they're God????

Yeah su*cide didn’t exist until Netflix. Romeo and Juliet came out in the 90s. Clearly it’s a modern problem -eyeroll-

I showed him saying, "Wise as a serpent, and harmless as a dove" to my mother and asked her for her opinion on it. She told me that it means to be gentle and kind like a dove but to be aware of your surroundings and smart like a serpent. Know the tricks and ways that a serpent would use to prey on someone and protect yourself from them while still being a good person.

Hearing his wife say "Could you imagine someone committing suicide because of your show?" just immediately made me think of the guy who was a huge fan of Ember and went on a murder spree before ending his own life. Since Butch wants to take full credit for the cartoons he worked on, I wonder what he thinks about that. EDIT: I am not blaming the Hartmans for Randy Stair. My point is that since Butch wants to take full credit for the shows he worked on, then someone committed a crime and offed themselves because of his cartoon. A cartoon he tried to sneak Christian values in. He wants to tout his ego and how his stuff is better and more Christian, so it's ironic that his work indirectly caused what happened.

1:01:25 The most beautiful irony of Butch getting commissioned to draw ANGEL DUST of all characters 😭😭

It's wild that he calls introverts "selfish". In that same token, extroverts are just, if not MORE, selfish, trying to force everyone else to interact with THEM all the time.

They almost entirely removed Butch from the new FOP reboot, and bam, immediate and genuinely shocking level of improvement.

As a christain myself and also dealing with anxiety, i cant believe that depression is considered "fictional" to Hartman. Smh, man.

For Butch, seems like the Ten Commandments are actually Eight, because he chose to ignore "Thou shall not lie" and "Love thy neighbor".

1:21:08 “could you believe if someone killed themselves after watching your show?” Dunno man, something like that happened at a supermarket in Pennsylvania

Butch: "What's an 'Stephen Hillenburg'?" "It's one of the creators of our childhoods." Butch: "But I'm right here?" "Do you really believe your own hype that much?" Butch: "I AM THE HYPE!"

I’m very glad that stephen hillenburg wasn’t those type of creators. may he rest in peace.

Butch Hartman feels like the animation equivalent of that dude who claimed he invented the Roblox "OOF" sound.

"We're going to save families." Save families? You couldn't even create my childhood! That man is dead! (RIP Stephen Hillenberg)

As a Christian you will not believe how exhausting and infuriating to hear other Christians just being genuinely braindead about how they feel is the only way to spread God’s message. Like bro, Jesus said love your neighbors and love God. Do that and you’ll be amazed how amazing an ALL POWERFUL AND HOLY GOD they all say they believe in. Like it’s insane and it just hurts the faith. Hurts my head man.

"Why would you accept fear? Don't you wanna be an original?" ... what? What the fuck does that even mean??

Speaking as a Christian, I was horrified to hear that they want to be credited as one of their main goals for people entering into heaven. That isn't only downright blasphemous but it also defeats the entire purpose of Christianity. Jesus is the only one who should get credit for people entering into heaven. They are down a path that is more inline with the devil.

I’ve never seen such a passionate sponsorship than this guy and his mattress. I’ve seen preachers shouting with passion to the high heavens whose performance couldn’t match his vigor

So glad you mentioned Stephen Silver in this video. The character designer who developed the FOP/ DF art style needs to be discussed more often.

As someone who only really started trying to become an artist half a decade ago, I can’t even imagine myself lying to people saying that I designed these specific characters by myself when I had other people actually helping me design them! Like, taking credit for something someone else did just seems like one of the most asshole-ish things to do to someone!

I guess Patrick saying, " I defy you Heart Man" was a foreshadowing of things to come

As a Christian, his behavior is completely opposite of what it should be. This is the type of person who makes others see Christianity as a hypocritical joke. Especially his views on suicide and being introverted. Both of those topics have affected me in many ways, and his views on them are completely wrong.

My dad met Butch Hartman about 15 years ago in Uganda of all places. Apparently he was involved in some kind of missionary work there which I thought was odd (no pun intended), but it makes so much sense now. My dad had no idea who he was, but of course Butch not-so-subtly brought up his career at the earliest opportunity. He drew pictures of characters from Fairly Odd Parents and Danny Phantom for my niece and nephew (who were toddlers at the time so had no idea who they were, but I guess they were cool gifts for when they grew older) and signed them. He also told my dad he was going to name a character after him (I won’t mention my dad’s name for the sake of his privacy, but it’s a very distinctive and quite rare name), but as far as I know he never did. Butch sounds like the kind of person who is incredibly charming and charismatic when you first meet them, but he’s really an arrogant jerk. Edit: I just got to the part of the video where you talk about Hartman House. I guess that explains what he was doing in Uganda!

How it started: We want to be the next Spongebob. How it's going: We want to be the next Veggie Tales.

They seriously limped "The Fairly Oddparents" along until 2018? It was the only Hartman cartoon worth watching, and it stopped being good in 2005. He is devoid of consistency and ethics, and will say whatever he thinks will gain clout from his audience. What a pathetic shell of mediocrity. I love that age has not been kind to him.

Tuff Puppy is only remembered for R34

Nickelodeon has an impressive track record of ruining lives...

He honestly strikes me as a narcissist who became a "born again" Christian, but that narcissist attitude causes him to try to convince everyone that he has ALWAYS been Christian and pushing religious messaging, especially with how he tries to explain away and defend Danny Phantom, or saying how he puts Christian values into Fairly Odd Parents, when it's clearly not true. He just wants to save face to the new group of people he's trying to get cozy with, claiming he's been there all along with them, when it was obviously something he tried to get into later.

1:15:54 As someone that went to culinary school, worked in kitchens for many years, and used to have their food handlers license, people should NOT being wearing gloves when serving food. It is less safe because people don't change their gloves enough and don't wash their hands enough. Wearing gloves is done almost exclusively because people perceive it to be cleaner, but it's not (unless the glove is covering a wound). The proper way to wear gloves is to wash and dry your hands before you put gloves one, and after you take them off, even if you're just putting new gloves on right away. This is a pain in the ass because putting damp hands into wet gloves is stupid hard. As a result, people avoid changing their gloves, which is less sanitary than not wearing gloves at all. This is also why, even during the peak of the COVID pandemic, public health advised against wearing gloves. It's better to not wear gloves and just wash your hands because people either don't know, or don't follow, the steps for wearing gloves for sanitation reasons.

A comic convention in Denver announced him as a guest. I’m baffled why anyone would want him at their convention

I was about to rage out in the comments about Butch's claim of Danny Phantom being a pioneer in serialized cartoons, as if literally the DCAU wasn't already solidified at least a decade before that

God did not tell Butch to make Cosmo mpreg. 😂

*"YOU! And your pride & your ego!"* - Mike Ehrmantraut

So, this is a nitpick for sure, but with butch saying "he's never worked at Disney" He's probably right. I'm an animator, I've worked on several Disney shows. The structure is: you have the Disney corporation on top, then Disney TV (a different company technically) that does development of their shows, and then they shop around for a 3rd party studio to do most, if not all, of the production. Most Disney TV projects are not made in LA at all, They shop around for cheeper studios abroad to work on them. He very likely worked on one of those studios that is 2 degrees away from the Disney corporation. I don't consider myself to have "worked at Disney" either, because I haven't, and likely, neither has he. Almost every animator I know has at one time or another worked on a Disney project, but working at the studio itself is a whole other pedigree. I would not claim myself to be a Disney animator, or to have worked at Disney, Ive never even worked in the USA.

...Wow. He actually tried to turn a person taking their life into a witty "joke" in front of said person's friend and colleague? WOW!

Interesting take of "su*cide wasn't common until the internet" when one of the most famous Christmas movies, It's A Wonderful Life, released in 1946 and revolved around a man trying to commit su*cide due to financial troubles before being saved by an angel and shown how him never existing would've affected the people around him so negatively. Feel like that's right up his alley. I mean, not to mention I'm pretty sure they parodied it in Fairly OddParents but, whatever. 🤔

I grew up in a Wiccan/Buddhist household. I remember watching The Fairly Oddparents with all the magical realism and thinking “This is an artist who would understand me.” Wow, was I wrong! And it doesn’t bother me that he’s Christian! I went to a Catholic college and am married to an Episcopalian. What bothers me is his huge ego, his unwillingness to pay or even credit/thank other artists who work with him, his twisted beliefs surrounding mental illness, and his desire/obsession with Christianity to the point that he wants to force it on everyone.

unpopular opinion, The Fairly OddParents was always a mediocre show, it had few good jokes but the constant mean spirited writing, repetition of jokes made it boring, at leats for me.

In Butch's defense, I would also refuse to admit I worked on Doogal.

It's a shame that someone who created such great shows turned out to be such a toxic egomaniac. He's the prime example of what can happen when you let success go to your head.

Dude was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and went on to think he was better than everyone he interacted with. His seething undying bitterness toward Spongebob instead of recognizing it as one of if not the greatest children's cartoon of all time really says a lot.

44:58 holy shit that name just unlocked so many childhood memories bro HobbyKidsTV I haven’t heard that name in a long long time….

Danny Phantom also had Desiree. Her debut episode literally shows her backstory of her once being human.

I greatly appreciate you including the portion about Kuro. As someone who has been a big fan of his for a few years now, it was heartbreaking to hear about what Butch did. You absolutely nailed how much of an egomaniac Butch is.

As someone with depression and anxiety, who is an introvert, and has taken a psychology class, I want to sit Hartman down and give him the facts. I can bring up my own experiences, those of others I know, studies, and the vast amount of information on the internet. Here's just one of many things. The term "introvert" has changed its meaning over time. While we now see it as being shy or needing alone time, it originally was supposed to describe someone who had strong beliefs and values that they would not change, even when the majority would believe otherwise. An extrovert, by contrast, would be someone willing to go with whatever is popular in society and, is okay with changing their beliefs and values as society changes. Both have value: introverts who stand up for what they believe in aid others in their minority, while extroverts are able to adapt quickly to anything that comes their way. By this definition, Hartman is actually an introvert, and I know he would hate that. That's fine with me.

11:28 Timmy got that thousand yard stare

Really sucks that nearly every creator of a successful Nickelodeon property is doomed to turn out to be awful :(

He really screwed up when he went all in on trying to be a KZfaq influencer and showing off his ego to everyone.

Holy crap the "Elmer Callout Post" (lol i named it that as a joke back then) was my doc that I wrote back when the Oaxis scandal first happened and I unexpectedly went down the horrifying evangelical cult rabbit hole and how many ties Elmer has to it and the 7 mountain mandate! It's so awesome to see my old post being mentioned, used as a source and also hearing someone else talk about that horrific aspect of how Elmer operates and what he's trying to do! \OUO/ I'm a big fan of your videos so this was definitely a pleasant surprise!

1:06:07 I've always heard from others about Butch trying to put Tara at fault for Mary's suicide but I've actually never seen the clip myself. Hearing that caught me completely off-guard especially the way with how he just laughs it off like a joke. I would have immediately just stopped the podcast altogether if I were in that position or told him off.

Grew up watching reruns of Fairly Oddparents, Danny Phantom, and Tuff Puppy on Nicktoons and honestly was disappointed at what happened with him.

The Danny Phantom fandom rejected him years before his shittiness became as public as it is. I joined after that happened, so I don't really know *why* it happened, but clearly they were on to something lol

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It absolutely blew my mind when you said that one of "The Garden" characters was supposed to be a lion. Absolutely NOT. That weird flower that is floating inches behind his head is supposed to be a lion mane that's GROWING OUT of his head??? No. Not in any way will I accept that.