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Realize the $42 Roman spent only brought the vehicle to 80%. The vehicle started with 97%, so for the comparison to be fair, Roman should have charged to 97%.

You guys messed up! "20 minutes out of the way" to charge up. That should count the round trip time in the hummer charge time, making it 90 minutes. Plus, the sequoia was penalized having to tag along and burn extra fuel resulting in exta costs. Plus if charging to 97% to determine actual use, it's closer to $ 51 You also "had to" find a hotel with L2 charging. How much more was that hotel vs one that didn't have "free" charging?

The word "free" as used with the electric charging offered at the hotel is inaccurate. It is no more free than your hotel breakfast, it is paid for by the hotel and passed to customers staying there. Nothing is "free".

What tfl really should have done is see who would of gotten to Moab first. Obviously the Sequoia but it would of been interesting to see Roman take the exit to go charge up and see Andre's Sequoia continue down the freeway. Video asked which vehicle is better to road trip in right? Not another mpg VS kw/hr.

By the time its practical to have an EV vehicle for long road trips(infrastructure, etc), they will have raised the electric fill up charge to the equivalent of a gas charge. You watch.

I'm glad Andre was in this video. Roman is a little too swept up in the EV hype and tends to overlook negatives of EV's that Andre points out. For now, plug in hybrids are the way to go if you want to be "eco-friendly" while still retaining usefulness IMO.

TFL is getting TORCHED in these comments! 😂 I challenge TFL to respond to these comments and admit they are wrong.

Yeah this is going to give us the same end result as the Alaska trip: EV is nice but requires a radical change of driving and planning while the gasser goes where you need it and depending on gas prices might cost more money in the end but also take less time.

I can't even fathom , ...in this world of instant gratification, ..sitting in a line waiting an hour for the car in front of me to finish charging, just so I can wait an hour for mine. Not to mention island parking, when that person went into Sams club to shop while their car is charging, and doesn't come back for 2 hours.

EV road trips wouldn't be so bad if we always traveled with an ICE chase truck like TFLtruck does. That would make the range and time anxiety much more tolerable lol.

With virtually every video on KZfaq involving an electric vehicle the 'Plan' word is nearly always mentioned. There are a whole bunch of us out there who are potential EV purchasers who simply don't want to sit and plan our journeys around long stops for charging, I don't do that with gasoline. It sounds like we are a good few years from being able to make an unplanned journey of more than a couple of hours in a budget or mainstream EV.

I love how all the electric vehicle people talk about how efficient they are but never talk about electricity generation losses or transmission lossed.

You started at 97 and only charged to 80, that's like starting with a full tank and only filling to 3/4. Price difference is alot greater than what you showed.

4:26 in true fashion of a hummer “taking up two parking spots up”. 😂

Actually, batteries aren't more efficient at making power, because they don't make any power, they simple store it. This is what EV promoters don't understand. Most efficiency losses happen when power is generated. Since EVs don't create power on-board, this makes for a false comparison to ICE vehicles, because not only do they store their fuel in a tank, they also make the power with an on-board internal combustion powerplant. For the total EV power supply chain, creating electricity and putting into your battery is where the bulk of EV efficiency loses are seen. For every remaining gallon equivalent your EV is left with, 4 or 5 more equivalent gallons were wasted in the grid. That not only puts things into a fair perspective, it completely defeats the argument that EVs are more efficient.

Yesterday my neighbor bought a F150 Lightning Long Range and we are on day two of the 900 mile drive home from Arizona to Kansas. The stoppage time for charging is hard to adjust to and so far every stop has been at a Walmart. We did not realize that fast chargers slow down at 80% and will only charge to a maximum 90%. It has been pretty cold too, so we are only realistically capable of 160 miles on a 90% charge vs the advertised 288 (90% of 320). The charge speed has been totally arbitrary and there have been several Electrify America machines have been inoperative. One charge said it was complimentary though which was a welcome surprise ! Side note. The Lightning is a crazy nice truck. Fast as a stabbed rat and the Blue Cruise is excellent!

I'm sure glad they didn't run through a downpour. Those Hummers have an amazing waterfall feature that's built in 😂.

So, even with gas prices, still being high, Toyota was actually cheaper or the same during the road trip because they didn’t complete the charge the electric vehicle to capacity.

Can we at least acknowledge that the Hummer wasn't "fully charged", it was only at 80%. and time is money, so in the end, there can never be an apples to apples comparison.

Next time you do an EV test, try doing one with kids, and small kids at that say 2-6 years old. I think your experience with and EV would be vastly different than that with an ICE, and it would be very interesting to watch :-)

You pay more to fill up the car, but you pay 50-75% the cost of the EV to start, so after 20 years of driving you'd finally hit the same point. But at that time, you'd need new batteries in the EV and the countless hours required to travel more than 400 miles in a trip!

Who at tfl is commenting under their account? Change the password on that person

Unfortunately there is a MASSIVE issue with this comparison: If you start at 97% charge and you drive a given distance, and then you charge it to 80%, that's not how much energy it took you to drive!!! You're missing the 17% charge (in this case you're missing 39 kW/hr of charge). You paid $42 for 59% so simple math means you'd pay $54 for the actual energy consumed during this test. Now this only accounts for the cost and not the time. I'm pretty sure that the last 17% would likely have taken an additional hour to charge. I like the comparison but like everything, it has to be honest and the process must be accurate.

Lmao at thinking the hotel is giving out “free” electricity. Nothing is free. Someone is paying. They could very well be building it into the price of the rooms.

I understand and think it’s interesting the comparison on kWh used between the 2 cars. But most people don’t look at it that way. For most people it comes down to total cost, total time and distance. That comparison is simply a justification for EV owners to feel better about themselves. I’m interested in how future EV’s will improve efficiency and range too. Another comparison that would be great is a Highlander Hybrid vs Rvian R1S vs Tesla model X. I think that is more realistic to the future of vehicles.

Time + frustration level + cost = keep your EV. I’m keeping my current vehicle until I can charge in the amount of time it takes me to fill up with fuel. Just the way it is.

I don’t want to spend over an hour charging in some sketchy parking lot in the middle of the night. Making yourself an easy target.

You really don't have to prove anything to me----I DON'T WANT AN ELECTRIC. If you tow you will walk. I TOW.

A road trip… It’s the biggest Achilles of any EV 💀

If everyone had an electric vehicle , just think about it, people would have to learn to be patient, travel time vs battery life and distance. Hotels and traditional restaurants would boom from all the extra time needed to travel. As an electrician myself, all the extra work for my profession, power plants and charging stations.✅

Great video, informative in real life. Biggest take away for me is how disappointing small is the fuel tank on the Sequoia . 22 gal is way to small for suck large suv, especially if one tows.

My Ford diesel truck will do just over 500 (500-530) miles on one tank of fuel (Not Towing). Will do between 380-450 while towing depending on weight. It is tuned and that’s running on the performance or towing tune. Before I tuned it and deleted the EGR/DPF system I averaged between 10-14 miles a gallon. Tell me which is better for the environment. I would have to say much better fuel economy. And no I don’t blow black smoke out the tailpipe either!

Doable is not good enough. I live in Phoenix and have a kid in club sports. We do San Diego, LA, Vegas and Albuquerque/El paso every year. Also, the wife is from Colorado, so we make at least 1 trip to Springs every year to visit Grandma.

TFL at it again. Interesting comparison. We’ve been taught the time is money. So the idea that the added planning, detour and time down to charge have real costs - thanks TFL. I’m not an EV user/ owner yet but I’m sure I will be a member of the borg soon enough…resistance is futile 😂 and your videos are helpful in my coming around

You need to establish a dollar figure for how much your time is worth and add that to refuel times. Life is short.

Roman, ask me that same question when the battery pack is 5-10 years old 🔌💩🤠 BTW where's Nathan?

@17:43 - I woudn’t start to talk about the impact - an EV requires WAY MORE mining and metals (Colbal/Lithium, etc) on the manufacturing end than an ICE - it is not just about ongoing electricity production and use. Get an EV because it has cool tech, NOt to save Emissions (because it does not).

Andre is 100% right about the Toyota trip meter. Ford has that feature correct.

19:46 For that graph, you really should account for the initial fill up. Charging/filling up on the road is probably a similar cost, but it is deceptive because EVs usually start their trips at a much lower cost because it generally costs the same to fill up a gas car at home or on the road.

As the owner of a 2019 Sequoia, I get the aggravation of trip info resetting every time your turn off the vehicle. However, the traditional trip meters still give you mileage since you last reset them.

are you likely to be carjacked standing outside at a charging station at night with a very valuable vehicle? At least at a petrol station there is an attendant, lighting and security cameras, and its quicker.

HAhah, not only did it take an HOUR to fill up the EV, it also cost more! Ah! The future is here!

The real question is for long, will the vehicle be useable and serviceable in the extended future. In 10 years will the gas engine still be running with or without major repairs? Will the electric vehicle be obsolete as far as software and battery technology goes? What then happens to said electric vehicle when it's parked in a lot somewhere left to die? There needs to be future plans for older electric cars to be able to survive as tech moves along, or essentially, you're just creating a much larger E waste problem that solves nothing.

THANK YOU ANDRE for showing energy consumed!!! much better comparison than MPGe

I fill my fuel tank in the same time you refresh your app

Man with current battery tech ev’s are no where close to replacing gas vehicles. Unless you don’t work or have a family.

You might be able to pick how your trip meter resets on the Toyota. On my Acura I have a trip A and B. You can set them up differently. 1- manual reset, 2- resets automatically when you fill up with gas, 3 - resets automatically when you turn the car off and on. Maybe the Toyota has something similar?

Should have picked an F150 hybrid. 650 miles with a 30 gallon tank . But they knew that from the Alaska trip

You drive an ev for 300 miles ( if at all possible). you come up to the EV charging station and see a huge line of drivers with EV's waiting in line to charge their said vehicles, and the driver with the gasoline vehicle stops at a gas station across the street from the said EV station, he pumps his gas for about 5 minutes and is well on his way to his destination. which would you pick?

So, imagine a longer trip where you would normally have to fill up or charge 3 to 4 times...The EV would add 3 to 4 hours to your drive time just waiting for it to charge...and thats if you don't have to wait for a charger and if they are working...Not as easy and simple as you make it out to be. Until charge times are down and charging stations are more reliable and almost as common as gas stations, EV's are not for me. And, there are plenty of studies out there that show that the EVs aren't more carbon friendly until you get up to about 80k miles. Not going to detail it here but you can look it up...there are plenty of studies showing it. It boils down to the energy required for the charging, mining, etc. Good video though. Keep it up!

I have a 2014 F 150, four wheel drive XLT extra cab with the 5.0 Coyote. I do not care how fast it goes in a sprint to 60, I am a normal guy, and, live in an area of northeastern Minnesota with extreme winters, and, lots of snow. I like to drive the speed limit, on the state highway which is 60. II live 115 miles from Duluth, and, often make a trip to stock up on things. I get between 19-23 mpg on those trips, and, my truck has a range of between 500 and 600 miles with the big tank. I have taken it on some road trips of about 1200 miles, and, love the mileage and the range, and, this truck is so much less expensive, that, any big savings on an ev would never make sense. And, I do not have to wait for charging, or look for a place to do it.

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Of course you also need to add in the ‘weight gained’ factor when you charge your EV because of all the extra snacks you eat while you’re waiting for it to charge 🤣.

After recharging only to 80% how far could you go before having to stop for another hour?

The best truck for road trips has always been DIESEL. The only thing that could beat it is DIESEL / ELECTRIC hybrid.

I'll just keep buying used disposable trucks for 2-3k till the power grid will be able to support the extra load. Heck I'd have to redo my service and upsize my panel to have a proper charger. Then dig a trench and run a larger feed to my garage. I'll keep burning gas and riding 2 strokes!

Did you take into account the fact that Andre would have arrived around an hour earlier than Roman?

gas engine = 5 minutes to get fuel, food, restroom break EV = hours of recharge wasted potential using a hummer as an example mainly because of it's weight and size. something like a chevy bolt would be more practical since no one really buys a 100K + EV

I can’t imagine being in a emergency, or just trying to get home after a long day or long road trip…. Kids tired and crabby, babies crying and such and you have to sit there for an hour waiting to charge…. The gasser will be done and back on the road, pretty much already at the destination, checking into a hotel passing out finally on a bed, or whatever was getting done at the next stop. Imagine needing a hospital or something and you can’t get to it in time because your vehicle didn’t make it, stuck charging while someone isn’t very happy

I love how these recharge systems only get you to 80%. They are so slow they just chop off 20% so that it doesn't seem as slow as it really is. You only charged about 60% in an hour on the fastest charger there is. That is why nobody wants to road trip these things plus if the "pump" doesn't work or there is a line its going to be even longer. My vote is with Toyota all day long. The Hummer looks better but that's it.

All these shows on KZfaq drink the EV Kool aid.

My problem with most KZfaqrs' "roadtrips" is that they are going like it's a vacation and you don't need to get there quickly. I drive longer trips to make money. I want to get there and be able to do useful work. I don't drive cars that need 2 or 3 one hour stops to get me 350 miles one way! a 350 mile trip most places in the west is just a little over 4 hours. I should be able to make that trip and still have a half-day of work and enough fuel to go around the properties at my destination. Then work almost a full day, refill before I leave (10 minutes tops) and get home by bed time with enough fuel leftover for the next day, refueling when convenient. No EV comes even close. And those are our short trips. Many of our trips 750 mile one-way. That would be about 6 one-hour stops each way, as opposed to ICE vehicles needing one mid-trip stop of 15 minutes for gas, bathroom, and sandwich. Then refill at the end. I really want to quit using gas, but BEVs don't seem like they will ever be really workable, since no one is even researching how to make a vehicle that is as good as a Ford Fusion, a Toyota Camry Hybrid, or a Mercedes GLK Diesel for this kind of work. I agree that BEVs are perfect for most urban/suburban people who only drive long trips when they are vacationing, but that's no one in rural areas.

The new sequoia is such a good looking vehicle. And with all that torque and 10 speed I bet it is an amazing Toyota product

Despite the relative inefficiencies of ICE vehicles, for EVs to actually be cheaper to refuel at the same level as ICE vehicles you also have to look at WHAT you’re actually getting for your dollars when fueling vs charging. So, you used 12.357 gallons of gasoline, paid $40.02, and dumped the equivalent of 416.4309kWh of energy into your tank at what, roughly 10 cents per kWh. Your hummer went through more than 136.2360 kWh, but that’s where you stopped charging. You ended up paying $42.24 at roughly 31 cents per kWh. It’s worse with the non-membership pricing too. If you start using an EV truck as a TRUCK, and put a load on those motors, that miles per kWh becomes kWh per miles really quickly and the numbers get even worse. Per equivalent unit of energy, you’re still getting more for your dollar with gasoline, faster, and with fewer inconveniences than an EV. And if power production is nothing but windmills and solar farms in our future, with coal and other fossil fuels being shuttered, everyone will be looking back on $0.31 per kWh fondly like they do sub $1 a gallon gasoline of yesteryears. And that cost will hit everyone’s pocketbook not just when charging EVs, but for everything electric from lights, refrigerators, AC, computers, etc. Especially with energy hungry EVs taxing the grid instead of a different type of energy hungry vehicle that used energy dense liquid fuel that wasn’t 100% pulled from the grid.

Roman is completely wrong around 17:40. He forgets to mentioned in all his EV video's is how much material and environmental destruction is required for one battery.

You don't need to watch this to know the outcome is always the same: The trip takes ungodly long, the range sucks and you better pray for perfect weather and working chargers to even make it. And if you have a particular bad day, your EV will just burn you and your passengers to a crisp when they eventually explode.

What's killing cost is the margins on commercial chargers. We already know that most gas stations have almost no margins on fuel, most averaging 1.5% to 5% on the top end. Utilities charge .09 and .13 per kwh in that same area you're charging during off peak hours...when you were charging. And EA charged you .44 per kwh, nearly a 400% markup. Even Tesla Superchargers are getting a bit ridiculous. In terms of cost per mile, this is like paying to drive a car that gets 28mpg for a more efficient EV, and closer to 18mpg for this Hummer...which is good for what it is but the average car sold today gets 25mpg...which means the cost per mile is the exact same for both your typical car regardless of efficiency. It's the same reason why natural gas heating is almost always cheaper than resistance electric. However, the big issue is the cost per mile is the same minus federal gas tax that's used to maintain roads and highway. I know you can charge at home, and I hope people boycott commercial chargers whenever if they can because the margins are those are ridiculous. There should be greater economic benefits to EV adoption. Shouldn't settle with these extreme profit and mark ups. EVs are easier and more cost effective to manufacture at scale, shouldn't just settle for the fact they're more expensive just because it's greener.

16:30 I used to own a GM product and had a GM app. That app would never work. I used the app 3 times to set up oil changes and other services. After the 3rd time, I quit using the app. I had the vehicle for 4 years, and it never worked the entire time that I had it.

So usable range in a trip is only 220 or so being generous! Big battery as well! Empty! Around town and charging at home is the only good use!

I own a Tesla Model 3 Performance and a Chevy Silverado. From experience, I will take my Silverado on road trips. Case in point. I recently drove round trip from Albuquerque to Scottsdale, Arizona. Supercharger cost for the trip was $103.81. It would’ve cost $200 to drive my Silverado. The Tesla also added two hours in charge wait times. I love, and bought my Tesla for city driving snd charging at home. It works for road trips I just don’t like the extra time it takes.

Lest we forget, the price of highway fuel includes state and federal taxes while electricity from charging stations does not. Assuming all gasoline for this trip is/was purchased in Colorado ($040.4/gallon tax), shouldn't a similar cost/mile be applied to miles traveled by the Hummer? Currently, Utah combined tax is $0.686/gallon and the State is changing to a per-mile fee (Road Usage Charge Program) as a way for drivers to pay their portion of roadway operation and maintenance. With the ability of new vehicles to be geo-located and controlled, will drivers get a monthly bill for their miles driven and if they don't pay, the "car" will have restricted or reduced operation until the "tax" is collected?

Most EV road trips consist of driving from one charge station to the next and gambling that the charging will work. Sorry I’ll stick with my diesel and gas as long as possible.

Our travel experience is traveling from PA to FL and back every year. Taking the Mach-E was cheaper but took an extra hour each day of travel for charging. For us any trip that exceeds range multiplied by 1.5 is better in a GAS car.

@The Fast Lane Truck you left out a couple of not so small upfront costs of an EV, the initial price of the vehicle like the Hummer EV vs the Sequoia (33k more), and the work you all had to do to your homes electrical system to be able to charge them at a reasonable rate at home. That is expensive and would then require a service charge for every battery fill up depending on how long you plan to pay off the home charger setup and cost for each fill up done at home vs a gas fill up. Like an extra $20-$100 per battery charge... it would depend. I say treat it like a vehicle loan so payoff over 4 or 5 years, per fillup, etc. But that is a cost you did not account for in your calculations, so how much did you spend in total to be able to charge at your homes? Cause anyone with a gas vehicle most definitely did not have to pay to have a gas pump installed at our homes.

Entertaining video, thanks guys!

Does using the heat effect the range in the Hummer?

55 minutes of charge time is plenty of time for thieves to completely strip the vehicle if left unattended.

I would love to see an efficiency battle between a hybrid like the Prius, the hummer EV and a Rivian 👍

10:27 with how pitted the road is in that area, I wouldn't trust auto steering at all. Especially when you hit that expansion joint a couple miles before Silverthorne and it tries to throw you into the wall.

I noticed you filled the sequoia up with premium fuel does toyota require premium fuel in the sequoia?

Hummer gets 1.6 miles/kWh. At 70 mph it needs 70 mph/1.6 mpkwh = 43.75 kw to power it. 43.75 kw = 53.75 hp. A 100 hp 4 cylinder turning a 60 kw generator should handle this amount of power easily and get better fuel mileage.

Are comparing cost? Cost + time? I am a little confused 14:41

One thing to consider is time and the cost during that wait time charging the EV that would not happen with gas vehicles. You guys mentioned getting dinner while waiting to charge. I assume costs spent inside Costco while waiting is also true. There are hidden costs associated with time, that go beyond the cost of time that are not being discussed.

Nope. Only commenting to support you guys. We all know these EV's are a pain in the arse. For me we have a way to go before I'll consider an EV.

Roman you just paid $113,000.00 for a GM product, then you say "Over 80,000.00" for a Toyota is "ALOT OF MONEY,"

3.30 a gallon is a steal compared to up here in canada. I'm paying 5.75 a gallon right now.

A V8 non hybrid or twin turbo would be best. you also paid .43 a kwh so you spent a lot more than the Sequioa. You spent $58.48 to charge from 20% to 80% and took over an hour! Yeah, gas wins here.

In an electric vehicle you have to plan your trip the same as an aircraft pilot has to plan his trip Only difference is if you run out of charge the end result will be much nicer

Gasoline vehicles all the way.

Did anyone here noticed that it was actually 0.43/kwh and not 0.33/kwh like they were calculating, so the cost on the húmmer to only fill it up to 80% and not 100% like in the toyota, its $58. And remember it was only to 80% not 100% like in the toyota;)

17:42 Roman is The Hulk

Great video guys. These videos are so informative. It was interesting to know that it cost about the same to charge as it did to fill up with gas. Knowing all the factors involved such as kilowatts per gallon of gas, what it cost to charge at home, and charge rates at the charge stations is excellent information to know. Thanks for being so thorough and neutral on all the EV information.

EV takes the L again

Someone needs to paint a Hummer EV a different color. Apparently GM used the clone production to cut cost and so nobody could tell which Hummer broke down. Thanks for the great content and subjecting yourselves for the benefit of others.

Still trying to figure out the “energy heat waste” they said the Sequoia used compared to the Hummer which was 4x as much. Does this energy heat mean co2 produced? If not who cares?

It's not free at the hotel we adjusted every ones room for your gm environment destroyer vehicle I know the math but that does not include the mining transportation of the material and refining of the dangerous material BTW just like transparency

The more I have learned about EVs, and how daily life would be with them the less I want one and the less I think they are good for the environment. Just a hassle. I am really liking hybrids more and more.

TFL Guys, Roman, Tommy, Andre and Nathan, I would love to see you test the Coccon test driven by Sandy Munro, I think it's gonna be an awesome utilitarian EV that can do it all, can't wait to see you you guy's drive this feeling excited already

I appreciate the effort. Roman is correct, “it’s still the Wild West”. My enthusiasm for this new (EV) technology is tempered by the forced extinction of ICE by Government. Still, given time, it’ll be a practical solution. Tesla has it right by carefully crafting infrastructure along with the vehicle. It’s not a perfect arrangement, but here in the Northeast it’s pretty good.