What's going on with the American routes? ~ A Train Sim World 4 Discussion

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The Trainspotter From Tauranga

The Trainspotter From Tauranga

6 ай бұрын

Train Sim World 4 has a curious issue when it comes to US routes. There are barely any of them (only 12 out of the 49 routes that have been released so far), and the ones we do have are often of a noticeably lower quality than the more-common British and German routes. I don't understand why the US routes always get the short end of the stick in comparison.
(Routes that feature in this video):
Sand Patch Grade - Cumberland to Rockwood
Peninsula Corridor - San Francisco to San Jose
Clinchfield Railroad - Elkhorn City to Dante
Harlem Line - Grand Central to North White Plains
Antelope Valley Line - Los Angeles to Lancaster

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@kiwikewi
@kiwikewi 6 ай бұрын
Dovetail Games definition of "World" was well described by you, there are so many interesting routes that would be an amazing addition to the game, but Dovetail is quite ignorant towards the playerbase.
@zennybot5175
@zennybot5175 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for commenting on this, its really refreshing to see that even people on the other side of the pond notice how much the US routes just suck, something that irks me about the US content they release is that there is far too much passenger specific routes, the US is not Europe we do not prioritize passenger trains and we are a very large country that relies highly on our freight trains to keep it moving and seeing them push that aside for weirdly specific and niche passenger routes is indescribably infuriating, don't get me wrong though i do like playing the passenger routes and own nearly all the US routes regardless of if its passenger oriented or not but i just want to see some fallen flags and older locomotives, I wanna see some Burlington Northern or Chessie System or New York Central, and to top it off the most baffling thing is that they still haven't released an American steam locomotive, there are 4 or 5 UK steam locomotives and not even 1 for the US, the favoritism is beyond sad.
@user-yn8do4px8e
@user-yn8do4px8e 5 ай бұрын
I plainly stopped playing TSW when TSW3 was released because I noticed how DTG kept releasing less and less US freight routes as well. US is more about Freight service Not passenger service, but what Europeans don't understand as most of them never coming to America is that a lot of our Passenger routes like Am-Trak don't own the lines their running on their only getting a shared pass of being able to use that trackage as most Europeans probably think they own the line wrong. Most of your big time American rail foamers want mainline services to have departure set-up with signal stopping switches and even rack side drop-offs, Not the basics as DTG has been doing for years of Leave section A run mainline with No stopping to Section B done, that's Sad gameplay design. Players over the years have said in the Forums that they want Yard Service roles, Local Deliveries, Helper Support, Hump Service, all these great ideas and Not one has ever been used in any of the TSW games EVER! I always love to hear DTG excuse why they can't do certain in-game things' like why they haven't added American Steam into it when everyone's been asking about Steam ever since the first TSW beta it's not like they don't know same goes for Multiplayer which if you go back to TSW Beta it says the game has MP. DTG is EA in disguise because you know EA & DTG tell players white lies and doesn't listen to feedback with responses. It's the Reasons why the New Railroader game on steam is doing so well booming with players because it has everything players asked for years. DTG will release another TSW game we all know it TSW5 in probably a year from now, and they will try to sell old idea's acting like there New to push the sell, which players could care less what they say is New at that point, the question is how many suckers are going to buy it!
@PROTSW4
@PROTSW4 6 ай бұрын
Honestly, it comes to such a point where I don't want DTG to make an aussie route, even though a Sydney (where I live) or Melbourne route would be fantastic. There's a reason why I only purchased 2 U.S routes in the time I've played TSW (namely Harlem Line and Boston Sprinter). It's because the rest aren't a) my cup of tea, or b) are downright trash. The other 3 U.S routes I have were shoved in my face (the base American routes). Great video by the way, and looking forward to the next review / discussion!
@jwrailve3615
@jwrailve3615 6 ай бұрын
Finally a video that needed to happen. I won my bet that the US route would be delayed past 3 months, my parlay bet was when a U.S. route is released, it’ll have less than 3 locos, in California or New York, zero switching, and commuter crap. Watch the live chats for any dovetail TSW roadmap, 90+% are wanting and expecting more information on what US route will come and we continue to be told to “stay quiet “ and “stop asking” ignored, and more British/German routes shoved down our throats. I’m all for long distance freight, slow and heavy, clinchfields route layout is what I expect, not linear point a to point b routes with every.single. Branch line. Cut off with zero industry switching. And when we do get routes they are by far the most broken routes released. We continue to get screwed and runaround answers as to why the long distance Amtrak trains have still not been added. Horseshoe curve has friggen FOUR YARDS AND ONE SINGLE SWITCHING SCENARIO. we deserve better, and a route that has long distance freight, local road industry switching, yard switching, passenger service, and excursion services.
@jwrailve3615
@jwrailve3615 6 ай бұрын
I’m glad you finally addressed this by the way man your review and honest analysis on train sim world as a whole. If it weren’t for tsw I’d still hate euro rail but hell I learned to really enjoy the older BR era and German routes like Linke rheinstreke, main spessart bahn, and khön-achen are highly enjoyable to run
@user-nd2xc9sj4i
@user-nd2xc9sj4i 6 ай бұрын
something that pisses me off for NA Commuter Rail dlc's is how incomplete they are. For instance, Boston Sprinter. The MBTA doesn't only run a F40 and comet single-level railcars, they have bi-levels from Kawasaki and Hyundai Rotem, GP40's, and the MPI HSP46's, all of which are non-existent. CSX also has local freight service along the N.E.C, and Dovetail had the audacity to show CSX freight locos in the yards but no services for them at all. Not to mention the Providence line service isn't even complete! T.F Greene Airport and other subsequent stations in Rhode Island arent even existent, making the service terminate at Providence. Plus the buggy mess of all the wheels having that shity motion blur bug existent in TSW2 being ported over into the newer installations. Im a MA resident myself and i feel like this was an insult to the MBTA - leaving out so much potential. i hope Dovetail can pick up their slack and lock in on accurately replicating US routes like you said.
@peterlinsen7062
@peterlinsen7062 6 ай бұрын
They can even reskin some motive power.
@IndustrialParrot2816
@IndustrialParrot2816 6 ай бұрын
The South Shore Railroad, Metra Racetrack, and Sounder South would all be fantastic additions if they would bother especially Sounder south because of the great scenery and its so busy with freight and passenger service It would also the SC-44, F59PHI, F40PH Cab Cars, and MP40PH-3C And of course the Talgos And yes i might be a bit biased because the Sounder south is in my hometown of Seattle but its an interesting route with lots of rolling stock variety and an assortment of services with both Amtrak Cascades, Sounder, BNSF intermodal freight, and the Amtrak Coast Starlight but also Tacoma rail
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
They first need those licenses for sounder and metra which hasn't been successful so no route made for it. Dtg can't just make them
@Atrail_Mckinley4786
@Atrail_Mckinley4786 6 ай бұрын
I agree with your viewpoints. U.S content is usually worse than British and German routes. While DTG may be based in Europe, there is no reason why they should be rushing routes like NY-TRENTON out the door. It's a shame because U.S routes do have the potential to be good, but DTG clearly don't want to put the effort in to make them special
@Zugdurchfahrt311
@Zugdurchfahrt311 6 ай бұрын
5:49 small detail, but the caution sign at the top is a GERMAN one. These develepors just seem to be unable to make extra objects for US routes
@UpstopEjector
@UpstopEjector 6 ай бұрын
All I want is the Pacific Surfliner man 😭
@jonathonsantos8306
@jonathonsantos8306 6 ай бұрын
Same
@pandagamer5950
@pandagamer5950 6 ай бұрын
I love your videos. I am from NYC and it is so hard to find a good American route. I as so glad you are discussing this and you help me determine when or when I should not buy a route.
@chrisyasko9367
@chrisyasko9367 4 ай бұрын
Wish Modders had the ability to make their own routes/maps... I remember we could do that in way older train sims
@chrisyasko9367
@chrisyasko9367 4 ай бұрын
just realized that PC editor is making an appearance 👀
@angelocosma1007
@angelocosma1007 6 ай бұрын
How can we get DTG to see and respond to this? Or on their next livestream ask them why they rush out poor quality US content? Hold them accountable and firmly state our dissatisfaction. Matt worries so much about what headphones he is going to wear in the livestreams, we just want good US sim content!
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 6 ай бұрын
I'm confused as to why Matt would be more concerned over his headphones than the interests of the players / customers.
@iwillgiveyouup
@iwillgiveyouup 6 ай бұрын
The Only, I mean ONLY 2 things that would make me like tsw is 1. The Union Pacific SD70MAC 2. Amtrak P42DC You wanna know how they could've killed two birds with one stone? Cajon Pass, Add that SD70MAC, Guess what Amtrak trains run through? The Southwest Chief
@EmpireStateExpress01
@EmpireStateExpress01 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for holding DTG to task over this in TSW!!!
@thec39-8guy4
@thec39-8guy4 5 ай бұрын
THANK YOU finally someone talking about it I’ve been waiting like a year for something good to come out 😓😓😓
@nickyruso2786
@nickyruso2786 6 ай бұрын
You make a very compelling argument, hats of to you sir.
@mrvwbug4423
@mrvwbug4423 6 ай бұрын
I can mention one signal/timetable bug that I have only ever experienced on Harlem line and NEC: Trenton, literally having the train behind you sitting right behind you, because apparently the AI decided that you could share a block.
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
That does happen in real life according to what I read in the forums although the real driver would keep a bit more distance, but multiple trains can share the same block
@banksrail
@banksrail 6 ай бұрын
⁠@@potatoman451No he means, *trains* will share the share the same block, as in 3 to 4 or maybe even 5 trains because the DLC is so broken. They are allowed to do that on the NEC, but typically trains aren’t stopped holding up 5 other trains directly behind them because the AI broke.
@Frowny13
@Frowny13 6 ай бұрын
I would actually recommend giving the New York to Trenton route another chance. They’ve since fixed the frame rate issue, and while it’s still not perfectly smooth, it’s much more playable than before. And in my experience the timetable is actually quite busy now, and is much more realistic to real life. That said, I understand if you don’t want to touch it again. I’m personally fine with the lack of US routes as of recent since they’re basically just doing the same ideas over and over again, and I’d rather have a half decent British or German route rather than another American freight route. And much as I would like to see another American commuter route being an American myself, I’d rather that they expand into new territories. We already know that Union Workshop is making a route based in Asia, so I hope that turns out to be good.
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 6 ай бұрын
I wasn't aware that NYT's framerate issue was fixed, but my patience for that route ran out the moment I finished making my updated review, so I doubt I'll ever revisit it. As for whatever Union Workshop is making, fingers crossed that it'll at least be decent, although I'll wait for its announcement before deciding whether or not I'll buy it.
@christophergoodman5185
@christophergoodman5185 2 ай бұрын
Now I have to say I like the freight trains Where I get mad at dovetail is they don't connect. The antelope valley line connects to Mojave desert station Connecting back to Barstoll, California And from down San Bernardino, California, you can connect to LA Union station and LA dockyard and show how these massive big trains are built And back to the antelope valley line, it could connect to Bakersfield Going over the very famous Tehachapi mountains We're just like you get on the horseshoe curve in Pennsylvania. You can see the train Passover itself. The reason why most people are bored on the California routes is because all 4 routes are not put together If you put all 4 routes together, it'd be long, but yes, it'd be exciting. And you probably would never get bored Down to the big major city of LA up to the desert of Barstow, California.. And the mountains of Bakersfield, California Now, when you get to New York and the metro northern railroad, it is not finished. The last stop is not White Plains, New York. And you can add the Connecticut railroad, that runs alongside of it And it would be nice to see the Long Island railroad finished as well I've suggested this to dovetail, and I said just make people pay for the add-on maps. But finish these roots You're only driving half of the roof That's pretty much what I got to say about that I do hope 1 day they do. Listen to me and finish the roots and connect the roots.
@Patrick_RBX
@Patrick_RBX 6 ай бұрын
i really am hoping that the community will atleast somewhat save the TSW franchise with their editor routes, cause if dovetail can't be bothered, then we will have to do it ourselves
@KevinDeCastro2120am
@KevinDeCastro2120am 6 ай бұрын
I think DTG Harshly dislikes American Routes (I think). I mean, we haven't got a loco add-on for Metro North and MBTA. Like push-pull. For MNRR, i really wanted to see the P32AC-DM With shoreliner ii, iii, and IV cab car and coaches, and For MBTA, I wanted to see either the GP40MC, or HSP-46, and even the non-rebuilt F40PH-2C Loco Motive with Kawasaki Bi-level cab car and coaches, and BTC/CTC-1B Cab Car and coaches. (Well the shoreliners and BTC/CTC-1B cars were basically Comet coaches) and i really wanted to see the P42, HHP-8 and the Legendary AEM-7 for Amtrak. But DTG, (I called them the Distroying Train Games) Only care for the European Routes. Is basically the German routes is the Oldest sibling, and the UK Routes is the Youngest sibling. And the US is basically the Middle sibling. The oldest has less love and more hate, the youngest has the most love, and the middle is the most less love out of the 2. Is basically the Oldest and the Middle get somewhat care, but is mostly Germany and UK getting the good stuff. While the Americans have to suffer what we have. I think if someone filed a lawsuit against DTG, it would wake them up, start making good quality routes, and start slapping Rivet and Skyhook Games to start making better routes, for the customers. I was thinking of getting the Cornwall route, but now I can't cause how many negative reviews the route has. I better off getting the Island Line (2022) and the Blackpool Routes.
@aaroncook2052
@aaroncook2052 6 ай бұрын
In the case of Metro North at least, they don't run P32AC-DCs on the Harlem line. Those are used on the Hudson Line.
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
I didn't know german routes had the least love and more hate. I thought some or most of them were quite good. Some just need a facelift of some kind such as a new tt and better scenery, but they were still good. Skyhook have definitely improved with midland mainline. It took a while, but at least it's in a much better state with 2 massive patches even after all the drama. At least they didn't abandon the product Rivet have also improved in terms of scenery if you look at bernina line. Their physics and sounds however need to improve and how quickly they fix bugs. Some of the loco dlc you mention would need an era appropriate route like the hhp8 and aem7. There is also the question of access. Train companies have a schedule to run and pulling a train out of service can be disruptive so the train might not always be available. Of course there should be more, but we don't know anything of what happens behind the scenes so we can just speculate
@dutchvanderlinde154
@dutchvanderlinde154 6 ай бұрын
and also to add they didn't bother to put the metro north logo on the signs despite them having the license and the Harlem 12t5h sign is just blue when it should be black
@Atrail_Mckinley4786
@Atrail_Mckinley4786 6 ай бұрын
​@aaroncook2052 This is false. They do run on the harlem line for services from Wassaic to Grand Central and vice versa. However, these are usually during peak times
@markcovington4761
@markcovington4761 6 ай бұрын
Great review agree with everything you've said I'm British but the US players do get treated badly really which is shocking the way New York to Trenton was released was appalling I'm glad I didn't waste money on it we need more routes like Preston to Blackpool by just trains that is a brilliant route shows how much effort they've put in and not rushed it out
@ElmtreeLine
@ElmtreeLine 5 ай бұрын
Whilst I agree with your sentiments, DTG have stated that their biggest selling routes are German and British. They also stated players prefer fast passenger routes. Also none of the companies producing content for TSW are based outside of Europe so are barely in touch with anything rest of world related. Sadly the DTG management team are accepting of slapdash standards with what appears to be a business approach of "release it and forget it"
@SomeRamdomAhole
@SomeRamdomAhole 6 ай бұрын
TSW seriously needs a competitor
@RickMiMann415
@RickMiMann415 5 ай бұрын
American freight is fantastic. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's boring. It means you don't like it.
@VermyScrubs
@VermyScrubs 5 ай бұрын
Boring is a subjective word bro, there are many people who like Cajon Pass, Sand Patch Grade etc but just because you find it fantastic doesn’t mean everyone else does. It’s your taste in DLCs, he has his and I have mine.
@declangaming24
@declangaming24 6 ай бұрын
My route choices for a Welsh route Cardiff Central - Barry island (TFW or arriva) or Swansea - London Paddington with GWR. Northern Ireland a line from Belfast I ain't an expert so comment the lines you want.
@MeRandomStuff111
@MeRandomStuff111 3 ай бұрын
I also found another bug on new york to trenton. Sometimes the AI forgets to close the doors on the NJT so they sometimes ride with doors open 😒
@lachlantanseytheii4412
@lachlantanseytheii4412 6 ай бұрын
i think the peninsula corridor is a better route as when i just want a relaxing service i’ll just load up a baby bullet service
@EmpireStateExpress01
@EmpireStateExpress01 6 ай бұрын
Same here
@NashRailfan
@NashRailfan 5 ай бұрын
I want them to add the Canadian National Missabe subdivision for many reasons. One is the challenging grades, with the sweet CN/DMIR SD45T-2’s hauling the ore cars
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 5 ай бұрын
I think any Canadian route would be a welcome addition to TSW, although the specific route I'd want to see is a section of the narrow gauge Newfoundland Railway.
@stefanhamilton3669
@stefanhamilton3669 6 ай бұрын
i wouldnt be mad if they just import from tsc. idk why they made the short harlem line when they had the hudson line or the new haven line already made for tsc and they made the harlem line short. if they wanted to make a short route they should have just done the flushing 7 line. it has peak express and mostly all stations are above ground. i question how a route get gets to be made sometimes. Amazing video as always.
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
You don't just copy paste and port tsc to tsw. It is 2 completely different engines so a route has to be rebuilt for tsw.
@blackking7512
@blackking7512 6 ай бұрын
Tell me why I had an argument with a fan boy who was trying to make TSW 4 sounds god like and not understanding that having a single game with long term development and support would've been better and right now we should only be at TSW 2 not 4.
@darthnymruk9766
@darthnymruk9766 6 ай бұрын
As an american i can certainly say that you are right and i've always felt that we always got the short end of the stick on almost every release, my theory (no bases on it) is that we americans probably make the smallest fraction of their playerbase hence they don't have to put much effort on the routes because if they loose us is not going to be that big of a deal if as if they loose their entire european playerbase, just something i came up with funny enough sand patch, anyways keep up the good work and for bringing this problem to the light. On a side note i noticed a while ago during the Tsw 2 era that american content was very sparce comparing it to europe... And we are still in that trend as they say good to see the old traditions are being kept
@averagealex99
@averagealex99 6 ай бұрын
Very good video! It's frustrating to play routes like the default German ones such as Koln and then see NY map have so little detail and just feel "dead". Another thing about Train Sim "World" in my opinion, is that the game should feel alive. Many of the British routes have lots of AI traffic but the US ones seem so dead. This is the main reason I'm still on TSW3 and not 4. It seems like a waste of money for nothing new.
@KingG3244
@KingG3244 4 ай бұрын
My main issue with American freight is the sound design. I live in an area where bnsf and UP pass by my house all the time and you can feel and hear the gevos when they pass by you.
@phannyphanny9053
@phannyphanny9053 Ай бұрын
And the es44c4 horn is something I got an issue with it’s just an ugly sounding horn the only good freight train with a horn is the sd70
@aaroncook2052
@aaroncook2052 6 ай бұрын
The Clinchfield I feel has one of the best designed journey modes. It's single biggest flaw is the complete lack of switching services. Apparently at one point there was talk of adding a GP7 to it, and I imagine that would have added some, but of course that would mean actually giving a US route an actual semi decent locomotive add-on.
@avplayz1711
@avplayz1711 6 ай бұрын
Here's hoping the next USA route is a commuter or passenger. If they dropped a Metra add on I'd buy it so fast 😂
@seancirillo6605
@seancirillo6605 6 ай бұрын
I think its the general market demand isn't as strong in the US compared to the UK or Germany. America isn't a rail known country potentially making them more likely to get away with for quality and content.
@TheBenjaneer1
@TheBenjaneer1 6 ай бұрын
Thank you
@JavonWilliams29
@JavonWilliams29 4 ай бұрын
I would love to have NYC subway routes like the London Underground. Would love A or 7 route in the game. I agree the US routes are lacking.
@videomaker133
@videomaker133 Ай бұрын
Should've mentioned how lazily they incorporated the locomotives to Cane Creek Sub. They're just reskinned from the Sand Patch Grade, meaning they have the wrong horns, and certain features like numberboards (for the ge's) and headlight control (for both) just don't work.
@melbournemetrotrainsvlogs9401
@melbournemetrotrainsvlogs9401 6 ай бұрын
I think they mean world is exploring in first person through the world, not meaning all countries
@direwolf9880
@direwolf9880 5 ай бұрын
Dovetail doesn’t give us customers to serve(freight), it’s 2024 and I’m STILL waiting for the Pacific Surfliner to be released or announced. Also don’t get me started on the ai trains committing SPADs
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 5 ай бұрын
As much as I like the Pacific Surfliner (heck, I've got an HO-scale model of an F59PHi), I would be happy even if DTG only made the San Diego to Oceanside section, preferably with Coaster rolling stock to boot.
@rocketdaone
@rocketdaone 6 ай бұрын
I'm going to be real, I wholeheartedly agree. Although I only have 4 of the American routes, the Quality in UK/German based routes (as rarely as I play them) are much, MUCH better. One of my biggest problems came from the fact the American routes they've "released" or at the very least shown off i.e. The LIRR and the Sand Patch grade are... Bad The LIRR is done with so minimal effort they couldn't bother to finish some of the easier branches i.e Port Washington, Huntington and West Hempstead, and have the trains end in spots like Woodside, Hicksville (less bothersome but still mildly irritating) and St. Albans. All just outside the relative territory. As for Sand Patch Grade, I don't hate freight runs, however its hard to like them when the locomotives despite following the general directions post-tutorial, don't want to function... Added note, I think this also applies to Train Sim Classic as well where some American routes are just garbage or riddled with bugs and had been for years *cough* NYC-PHILLY/Trenton *COUGH*
@KiAnimeStuffProduction
@KiAnimeStuffProduction 6 ай бұрын
Been train simming gfor a long time i completely agree with ur statements. I've pretty much jumpped ship from dovetails brand all together i hardly play TSW and Train Simulator Classic anymore. I've jumpped ship over to Trainz Railroad Simulator. I recently had a friend come to me complaining theres no flight simulator level of simulator for train sims that focuses on both graphics and physics and ive pretty much told him i highly dought anything is gonna come to that level the only two sims id honestly recommend right now if you want really good physics Run8 Train Simulator is the game for you if u want just good pretty graphics and semi decent kinda physics then Trainz Railroad Simulator 22 is def worth it with thousands of content for the game the ease of content creating for it and route building.
@OG-Productions
@OG-Productions 6 ай бұрын
The need to have the ability for the community to make add ons for the game
@battlejacketnation9005
@battlejacketnation9005 6 ай бұрын
This!!
@supermarioworld04
@supermarioworld04 6 ай бұрын
Need some Chicago routes.
@andrewfothergill3336
@andrewfothergill3336 6 ай бұрын
Yet there would be a few lovely Welsh routes, albeit probably too long for TSWs usual releases... North Wales - Chester to Holyhead could use multiple DMU Classes Mid Wales - Machynlleth to Aberystwyth/Pwllheli or Shrewsbury to Swansea via Heart of Wales route South Wales - Numerous routes beyond Cardiff and Swansea But as previously stated, all these choices would be too long for TSWs usual release style. Shortest, would probably be a good 50 miles (Machynlleth - Pwllheli)
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 6 ай бұрын
The two Welsh routes I want to see in TSW are: Bidston to Wrexham Central (with the Class 230) Llandudno to Blaenau Ffestiniog (with the Class 197) I don't remember how long those lines are, but I'm pretty sure they're shorter than the ones you suggested.
@andrewfothergill3336
@andrewfothergill3336 6 ай бұрын
@@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga I'd completely forgotten about Llandudno to Bleanau. That's a scenic journey, albeit very flat. It's probably around the usual route length for add ons too
@DKS225
@DKS225 6 ай бұрын
More to the point CN why doesn't DTG have US Steam Locomotives which there are quite a few of not to mention some unique and unusual steam locomotives there I.E The Shay, Climax and The Hystler types. Or even Big Boy 4014 or FEF-3 number 844. I mean there's quite a few preserved railroads that have these and more even a preserved former Santa Fe Locomotive number 3751.
@declangaming24
@declangaming24 6 ай бұрын
They won't do it because they can't go to the US I wouldn't be surprised if they sell a reskin of the flying Scotsman in its US tour condition
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
The steam simulation needs to be much better before making a big boy. Even with smaller uk steam locos, it's not great
@ChesterJamesNewton
@ChesterJamesNewton 11 күн бұрын
I don't even know how to get the big metrolink train moving
@Tristan__Capp
@Tristan__Capp 6 ай бұрын
TBH i would love to see some more american locomotive add-ons mostly at least one steam only cuz all the UK guys have like 3-5 add-ons with steam but i don’t mind the diesel ones either just would be nice to have something other that just a rebranded AC44 or SD70 don’t care what type of steam just one for us americans who like that stuff too
@Tristan__Capp
@Tristan__Capp 6 ай бұрын
but we all know dtg won’t do anything remotely close to that
@markypea8900
@markypea8900 2 ай бұрын
If you check out a UK rail map, there's barely any rail lines in Wales relative to the rest of the country.
@KitsuneKiera
@KitsuneKiera Ай бұрын
There are still plenty of options though, you have the Valley Lines around Cardiff and Newport, The South Wales Mainline, The North Wales Mainline and Shrewsbury to Aberystwyth and Pwllheli. I’d say those would all be decent choices.
@jonhmiller7757
@jonhmiller7757 6 ай бұрын
That what thought they focus more on europeans routes than us routes or any routes besides uk and germany
@notarotomwithhair5637
@notarotomwithhair5637 6 ай бұрын
At least on sherman hill, you can do the 10:40 hermosa-cheyenne intermodal and reach 150mph in constant notch 8
@CroconatorYT
@CroconatorYT 6 ай бұрын
Believe me, we are used to it by now. NA fans have been getting bent over backwards for 10+ years. Every once in a while we get gems like the CSX Hannover Subdivision or Mount Shasta Line on TSC but the vast majority of NA content is complete dog and isn't worth the full asking price
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
Dtg also have more german and uk experts in their team (employees, contractors, 2nd party, etc) and beta team. Of course being based in the uk means dtg has better connections with uk companies. Of course like you mentioned, there are no US 3rd parties. The editor should resolve that once cooking content becomes available. Flying and getting access to reference material in the US isn't the issue. Dtg could do that, but they first need a license and permission from the train operator. Some operators like mta are very restrictive and don't let dtg get record their trains and get professional photographs. Class 1 operators are also restrictive. Some operators are really friendly like caltrain or amtrak. So it really depends on the license. In order for your suggestion of a hhp8 or aem7 to be appropriate, the nec has to be backdated because they no longer run during the time boston sprinter is set. Other loco addons are probably better if it released as part of a new route rather than as a loco dlc so the gameplay to cost ratio is appropriate. We can only hope for improvement given the circumstances. If there were more 3rd parties and the editor works properly, then we would see an increase in quality.
@jonathonsantos8306
@jonathonsantos8306 6 ай бұрын
Then they can do Pacific Surfliner but the scenario and there shitty long rendering would look bad
@Unknownnn838
@Unknownnn838 4 ай бұрын
More rolling stock would be great for Amtrak in tsw4. I love American routes, as I'm American myself, and playing with the same amfleet coach class cars and one acs-64 locomotive is draining. I also realized they have most of the services of Amtrak, Silver Meteor, Northeast Regional, Vermonter, yet... they're all displayed as amfleet cars?? No baggage cars. No Sleeper cars. Just Amfleet? As I see it if your not gonna give us another amtrak loco to drive, at least give us the right cars.
@calm8685
@calm8685 4 ай бұрын
The Carolinian, NE Regionals and Vermonter run solely with Amfleet I cars
@a.rentertainment2232
@a.rentertainment2232 Ай бұрын
3:06 There hasn’t been an Island of Ireland route since day 1 of the entire Train Simulator franchise!!
@Richpeo
@Richpeo 17 күн бұрын
Ahem, Irish Enterprise, MSTS, 2006.
@YukariAkiyamaTanks
@YukariAkiyamaTanks 6 ай бұрын
From what I've been told dtg lacks any representative from the US. They have ones from Germany and of course the UK but the US is none. This has shown even with some old ts routes too.
@nathanchan4653
@nathanchan4653 6 ай бұрын
If TSW4 does do a Sherman Hill update, I strongly recommend Union Pacific Bigboy locomotive as a free update pack seeming that 4014 does do excursion runs
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 6 ай бұрын
If DTG ever did add steam engines to that route (be it 4014 or 844), I highly doubt that would be a free update.
@nathanchan4653
@nathanchan4653 6 ай бұрын
@@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga well Union Pacific would make sure of that “paywall issue” as they’re the trademark licensing that DTG have associated with them
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
​@@nathanchan4653 dtg are still a business
@namaehik0kaikimo795
@namaehik0kaikimo795 5 ай бұрын
That’s why I am into model railroading. I could wait 10 years until I can get a prototypical soo line loco. But with model railroading I can easily order one online. Or as a Canadian, waiting for a dash 8-40CM is a f**king pipe dream with DTG..
@patrickcraft2375
@patrickcraft2375 6 ай бұрын
I feel the Amtrak license is very very underutilized in this game. It’s a good Passenger brand that has much more potential if Dovetail would ever bother to add more rolling stock and actually make routes that have a good concept.
@CAMOGUY54321
@CAMOGUY54321 6 ай бұрын
If you bring any of these points up in the community the fanboys go crazy. They are the reason i have dropped the game plus the lack of good American routes. Ive even had people freak out at me for pointing out obvious bugs. These fanboys are crazy! Also found this video from a fanboy crying about this video on discord lmao.
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 6 ай бұрын
Stuff the fanboys. I'm not going to let their whining stop me from being brutally honest with my thoughts on TSW.
@StrikeEagle78
@StrikeEagle78 6 ай бұрын
The DTG fanboys are desperately pearl clutching. Any perceived insult to their cult is taken as a personal attack. They desperately need this game and will stop at nothing to defend it to the end. They're the band playing on as the Titanic sinks into the ocean.
@Deralica
@Deralica 6 ай бұрын
Dovetail's North American content is really disappointing... I remember being excited for Oakville subdivision, some Canadian content for a Canadian like me. It ended up to be pretty garbage. Yes, IRL the OSD gets a fair amount of action,but Canada has so many interesting subs, gorgeous landscapes, and they picked an industrial, ugly, dirty part of the Greater Toronto region. And it didn't even capture the feel of the area. I could tell it was Oakville and Hamilton by the track layout. The map itself was generic AF. I'm sure DTG could make a ton of cash with a good NA route, the US being a large market and tends to be more patriotic than others. And DTG sure does like money, but just easy money, greater effort for greater reward isn't their cup of tea
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 6 ай бұрын
DTG seems to prioritize minimal effort for immediate earnings over - as you say - greater effort for greater reward. Rather sad, really.
@muchammad-Ilham
@muchammad-Ilham 6 ай бұрын
Dovetail need Long Island Rail Road & Northeast Corridor: New York - Trenton all merger
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
That would cause big problems. Last gen in particular wouldn't be able to run it. There's also issues on next Gen. It's like a bml where adding would cause more problems than not
@dutchvanderlinde154
@dutchvanderlinde154 6 ай бұрын
Funny how every time they make a us route, they can never finish the entire route. Ex: Harlem line doesn't go to Wassaic or Southeast. and they never add the entire fleet we only get 1 locomotive and 1 type of rolling stock.
@dutchvanderlinde154
@dutchvanderlinde154 6 ай бұрын
to add something I feel we need a us office for dovetail
@dutchvanderlinde154
@dutchvanderlinde154 6 ай бұрын
@RailsOfIllinois Yea I agree also what I find dumb if you have the Harlem line or Lirr you notice how on the signs they didn't bother to put the logo on the sign. If you know the mta irl they put the logo all of the commuter rail signs
@KINGTO101
@KINGTO101 6 ай бұрын
They said it only finished at NWP because not many trains go to Southeast...smfh ummm last time I can recall many trains go to Southeast. And some rush hour trains go to Mt Kisco and a few to Brewster....Yet the Bakerloo London Underground has more trains ending at Queens Park more than H&W and Stonebridge Park, but they still did a complete Bakerloo route, EVEN after the updated timetable..So that's a terrible excuse and.DTG are biased and liars
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
​@@KINGTO101 they also ran out of time. It was either make the entire line and rush or shorten it and make a decent route
@peterlinsen7062
@peterlinsen7062 6 ай бұрын
Every station has many problems with trains clipping platforms, no concourse and wrong UK style PIS screens.
@KCS4LifeOFFICIAL
@KCS4LifeOFFICIAL 4 ай бұрын
At least the US market gets something.
@EuropeanRailfanAlt
@EuropeanRailfanAlt 6 ай бұрын
Train Sim World really only focuses on England (part of the UK) and Germany, so basically a few parta of Europe
@declangaming24
@declangaming24 6 ай бұрын
Scotland has 2 routes Glasgow - Edinburgh or Glasgow Cathcart circle
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
All depends on licenses. Dtg only recently got the obb license which is why vorarlberg was made
@True_NOON
@True_NOON 6 ай бұрын
Train Sim A-B in 2 trains
@tvrubenjo4010
@tvrubenjo4010 6 ай бұрын
Even in Europe there are tons of more interesting routes But Dovetail is just recycling through there old stuff. In TS classic the same thing. Only a focus on a couple of countries. Luckily there was a ability to make your own. Where is Scandinavia, France only got one route. No Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium. But Dovetail look at there sales figures and UK and especially Germans are simulation fanatics. So money is always what is comes to with Dovetail
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
They need licenses first. No license means can't do
@musicalaviator
@musicalaviator 6 ай бұрын
Train Sim North America and Europe
@notarotomwithhair5637
@notarotomwithhair5637 6 ай бұрын
As someone who only buys US routes because it’s the trains I know the trains themselves
@PatriotAndAlbanyProductions
@PatriotAndAlbanyProductions 6 ай бұрын
I absolutely hate the MBTA game. They use rolling stock thats not even used anymore. They used the F40, the most COMMON train in the US. The horns are not even accurate, with the CTC-3 MBB train having a higher pitched F40 horn. The F40 does not even use an accurate K5LA, and it sound like a sped up trumpet.
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
What's wrong with a f40. At least it's better than nothing. That was also during covid where there were a bunch of travel restrictions. Horns are real life horn recordings.
@NortheastCorridorFilms
@NortheastCorridorFilms 6 ай бұрын
not to mention today we dont even use MBB coaches or CTC-3 cab cars on the south side like who in their right mind thought to throw on a full MBB set plus they shouldve added f40, and hsp46
@dutchvanderlinde154
@dutchvanderlinde154 6 ай бұрын
Sad to see they did your railroad dirty. They did mine also dirty they completely killed the lirr.
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
​@@NortheastCorridorFilms maybe that is what mbta gave them reference material to or it was something dtg could do quickly. Just speculation. Rush hour as a whole was a mess. It was announced too early, content was cut from dra with one branch line coming back as a post update, staggered releases and a lot of launch bugs making it unplayable for a while. It was also during covid so it made everything much harder
@PatriotAndAlbanyProductions
@PatriotAndAlbanyProductions 3 күн бұрын
@@potatoman451MBTA posted on Twitter saying that they want the HSP46.
@user-yn8do4px8e
@user-yn8do4px8e 5 ай бұрын
The Trainspotter From Tauranga. What you probably don't understand is the Enormous Freighters that you talk about are what moves America every day-to-day Not the Passenger Trains, if American Freight trains stopped tomorrow so would all of America Not the other way around as Passenger Service. Intercity Subways yeah move workers to their jobs but most of Amtrak suburban lines don't make the kind of Billions of Dollars that The Enormous Freight Trains you speak of make in a day, and rightfully own unlike the small line Amtrak owns, yeah if you didn't know Amtrak only rents their lines through a shared agreement to the Freight Railroad trackage lines there using, Amtrak only owns 623 miles of trackage for Real. United States isn't Europ and when you get that you'll understand why us American's love their Freight trains more than Passenger Service. Back in the day 1930's to late 60's yeah Passenger service was booming great but ask hundred American players what they would like more an old-school map or Modern and 70% will say Modern over Old-school because let's face it DTG track record on making a good product isn't golden and if they would make an old-school route well, they would have to make American Steam and it shows they have No interest in doing that because TSW3 released its first Steam Engine and before TSW4 release DTG could have had American Steam in the Game but didn't choose to do so, which says they're not interested in American Steam. American Passenger service is used more by inner city subways Not by Amtrak or any other Passenger service in the US but Subways going by money income. outside Cities Amtrak and other small, indented lines help as well as small tourist lines fill in those gaps of Passenger services but are mainly ran using Old Classic Steam Engines, which goes back to having American Steam in game. DTG has back themselves into a corner that they made.
@oddfellow831
@oddfellow831 4 ай бұрын
U.S. routes lacking or missing? AMEN BROTHER! And the missing Welsh and Irish routes? DAMN STRAIGHT!
@THE_IRON_HORSE
@THE_IRON_HORSE 6 ай бұрын
Now lets take time to realize TSW is a monopoly, its the only game of its kind, there is no competition, plus drg dont really listen to there costomers like that, if you want a truly good freight route add the BNSF racetrack, got like metra trains ever 5 mins, bout 150 passenger trains like 4 amtrak trains and 49 freight trains sum like that, and they already have it in TSC
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
Except dtg don't have a metra license and they won't do unbranded content. In tsc, it was made by a 3rd party
@tueypjr4823
@tueypjr4823 6 ай бұрын
Its a monopoly due to it being the only rail sim for console really.
@BrooklynBound4
@BrooklynBound4 6 ай бұрын
I agree with you. I don't buy US routes they are boring, sound pack is off and they barely have AI traffic. Its like Zombieland scenarios
@IDKovers
@IDKovers 6 ай бұрын
I mean if you want true disrespect look at the French addons throughout the entire series. There's like 5
@PROTSW4
@PROTSW4 6 ай бұрын
There's only one French add-on, namely Marseille to Avignon.
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
For the regional or commuter services, they probably need additional licenses on top of sncf or sncf only allowed high speed trains. I don't know if there was a 3rd party or not for French content or not.
@tysouthernrailfanner3668
@tysouthernrailfanner3668 6 ай бұрын
I agree with you this is bad for me and other people from America that play this game this is kinda dumb but not all of the routes are bad but still
@mrvwbug4423
@mrvwbug4423 6 ай бұрын
You thought Harlem line was better than LIRR, despite being only 24mi and completely linear, and with bugged physics on the rolling stock (the god mode brakes)? LIRR has 4 termini, 2 being underground stations, 2 branch lines and more realistic handling rolling stock, even if the visuals aren't up to the standard of newer DLCs. I want to like NEC: Trenton because there's a lot more going on compared to Boston, but as literally everyone mentions it has some performance issues, though I don't get too many stutters with it, I get worse performance with AVL and Blackpool. I've not played any of the American freight routes.
@FranTheTrainfan
@FranTheTrainfan 6 ай бұрын
I dont understand why they are doing that. As a fan of american railroading im pissed off about what they are doing.
@narskip
@narskip 6 ай бұрын
8:33 .. execpt they did, ONCE FOR ONE OF SH*badword*ST ROUTES, they sent whoseitsface and whatshisname over to metrolink to refrence crap, so clearly they CAN do it but only for when the gettin paid to do it (dont quote me), speakin of which why oh why the antelope line, like What? You have LA you got SOOO much you can run outa there you got the surfliner, got the line out to San Bernardino, to ventura, San Diego!? But no, why would our glorious dovetail do something.... i dunno ITERESTING. Im so So SO tired of this man, I just want happy go fun times with the choo choos.. Wall of text over, goodbye and goodnight/day
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
That's because Metrolink gave them permission and a license to start with. Dtg can't just show up to a depot and be like I'm gonna steal your trains for the entire day. That's illegal and rude
@noone_9497
@noone_9497 6 ай бұрын
Y’all do realise that ‘World’ in the world is as in kinda ‘open world’, meaning the ability to walk around and not be linked to a specific train
@jordanperosiel-williams7236
@jordanperosiel-williams7236 6 ай бұрын
There's something you forgot to mention... The fact DTG sometimes doesn't respect the source material of an American locomotive, how could they get away with including an F7A on CJP without appropriate passenger Rolling stock... OR The SD70ACe which was all fine.... till they used the Goddamn Thundercabs numbering... As for me i dont care for America Freight Routes as they are very stereotypical... I still Play Harlem Line... LIRR, Peninsula Corridor, and Boston Sprinter(And yes the abomination known as New York to Trenton... I love New Jersey Transit okay?), but still its really pathetic how DTG doesn't even respect the source Material for America Locomotives, 2024 looks very bleak for American Content...
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 6 ай бұрын
I honestly forgot about the fiasco with the Warbonnet F7 and Thundercab SD70. But yeah, those were absolutely pathetic, and showed DTG's often blatant lack of respect for the source material.
@declangaming24
@declangaming24 6 ай бұрын
Wouldn't be surprised if DTG said why don't we give people the American flying Scotsman just take the existing flying Scotsman stick it in LNER colours remove AWS /GSMR and air brakes add a cow bell, snow plough ect and it's like the 1970s or something when it was in the states.
@theunexpectedgoose
@theunexpectedgoose 6 ай бұрын
personally im not a fan of the US routes, but that may be because of the poor quality that dovetail makes them in.
@StrikeEagle78
@StrikeEagle78 6 ай бұрын
Understandable that US content has gone downhill. Like the rest of TSW, content has become crappier over the last 3 years. DTG hasn't got a clue.
@PlayJasch
@PlayJasch 6 ай бұрын
Part of the problem is: YOU. You buy this shit for years, so don't complain. I am glad if you enjoy the experience launcher TSC or TSW. Driving in a straight line up and down for 45 min each way. The state of the train sim genre is because people like you want more trains or tunnel routes. No, what this experience launcher needs is a connected real rail network where you can enjoy the simulation for more than 45 minutes until the map ends. Why does the ICE route end after 1 stop, it is for Call of Duty kids not for simulation enjoyers. Joking with you, more like the majority of the train sim folks. I feel like this genre is just for trainspotters and so far behind flight simulation, racing sim, combat sim, truck sim.
@potatoman451
@potatoman451 6 ай бұрын
To be fair, it's the only train sim and there is no competition. No other sim has a 24hr timetable with a lot of variety of numerous railways and looks decent. All other sims fall in their own ways and I'm not interested in them. Having a real network could cause issues. It would take a really long time and you could run into performance issues and other issues. Simrail only has multiplayer with very little singleplayer. I have zero interest in mp and only driving in 1 map for over a year for content to release is not fun. There is no save game and tutorials don't really teach you how to drive. There is also only 1 Polish map. At the rate it's going, you're only seeing 1 route every 2 years. Tsc has very little replay value, doesn't look great and doesn't run great majority of the time. I find the editor frustrating to use. Century of steam and railroader are also very niche and I strongly dislike steam Zusi is a hardcore german train simulator meant for professionals. Again, only Germany and I'm not interested in hardcore simulation. Derail valley is an open sandbox and not really a true simulation. Drs while it has good elements, it's quite limited. It's also a fictional map. Hmmsim only focuses on one metro line in Korea and it's only scenarios so little replay value Trainz isn't even a train sim
@VermyScrubs
@VermyScrubs 6 ай бұрын
Ngl reading the last part gave me a stroke
@tueypjr4823
@tueypjr4823 6 ай бұрын
Still waiting on a non reused American engine say like the SD70MAC still waiting on American steam........................still waiting
@Danny-bk5ss
@Danny-bk5ss 5 ай бұрын
What could you say they don't like American routes let's see what happens when the Americans stop buying their games🤌🏽
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 5 ай бұрын
If anything, that'll put Dovetail off from making US routes because they seem to only be motivated by how well or poorly they think an add-on will sell.
@RandomUsername2004
@RandomUsername2004 6 ай бұрын
If DTG keep being the lazy route train sim world will die
@pseudosystematic
@pseudosystematic 3 ай бұрын
American routes are the best the rest are just trash anyway
@kaschi47
@kaschi47 3 ай бұрын
Yep, sure! If something doesn't come from the USA, it's basically shit for you. TSW is the optically and technically world's best TRAIN SIMULATOR in a simulated real world, which you don't even have. Do anyone of you have a better alternative for something like this on your computer? Most of TSW's users are in Europe, not in the USA. Then get your great MS flightsimulator developers to work on such a real train simulator project. But they won't be interested in technology and landscape in Europe outside from USA. It makes no money. Then the other world outside the USA will never appear. America first. Yep. Good luck continue
@jonathanbaird8109
@jonathanbaird8109 2 ай бұрын
Damn, got you triggered lmao By the way, yes, we have Run 8. Working defect detectors, EOT that actually functions in every unit, manual dispatching, multiplayer, longer routes, the ability to break knuckles, fencing out DPUs, manual control of anglecocks et cetera. No, it doesn't look as good but it's actually a sim.
@THE_IRON_HORSE
@THE_IRON_HORSE 2 ай бұрын
​@@jonathanbaird8109so real
@THE_IRON_HORSE
@THE_IRON_HORSE 2 ай бұрын
Nobody's saying that the US has to come first in terms of DLC, were saying that when dtg actually makes a US route most of the times it's shit and you know it, and it don't matter if most of the player base is in one country, if your gonna make a simulated route from the real world at least try on the damn thing, one reason why most US players don't play this game is because they simply don't like it, it misses out on so much opportunities, vs a game like run 8 were you actually get to operate like in the real world, in run 8 you actually can do real shit not just run point A to point B and back, operations wise run 8 is WAYY better then tsw
@THE_IRON_HORSE
@THE_IRON_HORSE 2 ай бұрын
This is coming from a person who's plays TSW most everyday
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