Never in my life thought seame street commit crimes here on KZfaq

Yeah but they are so incompetent that their dumb bot sent this video out to a ton of people so now we all know it.

@@Yipper64 To my knowledge, there is no software that can identify anti-whatever content with a meaningful level of accuracy and just not show it. If there was, China wouldn't need nearly so strict a firewall.

@Timothy McLean it's about continuing the same bad behaviour while saying it's the fault of creators when they get caught for it. If youtube provides all the tools and can prove it then they can just say "Well it's not us, they just didn't follow the instructions to prevent this from happening."

@Lucas Zhu The video shows correctly there is no problem with COPPA. The FTC was aware of the problems. KZfaq makes it look like they were not. It is KZfaq creating chaos

You gotta be adult. But in a boring way! None of that horror-reviewing, true-crime-, LGBT-, and/or mental health-discussing, throwing-around-the-C-word kind of stuff.

First of all KZfaq is now over and secondly of course it's not gonna work out it's now a mess everyone will get too frustrated and leave KZfaq I know this cause it's just too many rules..no one can be perfect it's not possible

demonetized, all controls and options eliminated, all means for it to be seen removed with the exception of going directly to your channel. oh and it cant be in a play list and we will not tell you subscribers it exits. infact. more people will likely see it if you put it unlisted, turned off targeted ads and tweeted a link to it...

“onision is fine tho. just harass and stalk your exes and other youtubers and you’re gucci.”

@@AlisaForestHillsBrigades One issue with that idea is that KZfaq has always been a mess, especially for the big channels with multiple operators that they target. Folding Ideas' VidMe video went over that a bit, I think it made the point pretty clear.

MattheJ1 worse than “ENEMY AC-130 ABOVE”

MattheJ1 Lol now I have to delete the one video I have on my channel very irrelevant channel.

*visibly terrified*

I'm from the future, it's scary AF 😣

Christ...

😂😂

It's very scary I mean KZfaq is defentally over

@@krispynuggies6204 I understood that reference

This is like a drug dealer getting arrested and turning in his customers to get a reduced sentence.

@METATRON PRODUCTIONS LIMITED pretty much self expanatory

excellent

Exactly why I’m here

Pregnant Elsa*

@@TriviaMania_ @Awesome Awesomeness Those additions are necessary and I'm ashamed for missing them.

Also: Fidget Spinners.

I've heard that many cycles ago. Since then I estabilished - Capital isn't your good mouthfeel. Cultivate your community and don't play with matches, maybe sell your house to aquaman.

Laughs in CD project red

@@marekwygnany924 the lyric anthem of breadtube

@@WangleLine Get me Patricia Taxxon on the line. We got the hit.

also corporation's are not your friend. when there's no money being made, then they don't care.

It's too much of a financial loss to lose that. They don't have to give up on all of the targeted ads on children. All they had to do was make a first time log in that says "We use information such as age, watch history, gender, and various other things to make Curated Ads for your benefit. You, or your parents, must consent to this, otherwise you cannot use our site. For more information, check out *link to moneysense*"

I don't understand how after all this, because people want to support and stay on youtube. I have to be honest, if youtube ceases to exist, I don't know if I'll be happy or sad. happy because google has tired me, it unloads the responsibilities to the users that however it treats like sl*ves, taking huge amounts of money from us all (percentages on the advertising, percentages on the donation, etc), and now in order to earn still money, it puts in danger the own users, making them risk the fine. The only thing that will make me sad will be to think of all the people who support themselves thanks to youtube. I strongly hope that this is the end of youtube and that we find a better platform, decentralized and where users have the power (like LBRY)if possible.

@@ebbandfloatzel That would actually be very logical. Isn't it weird how any normal person can think of a simple and reasonable solution, but the FTC and KZfaq can't.

@@Amber_Phoenix the problem is that the consent must be from the parents, not from the child. youtube has no way of knowing if the parent has accepted the contract, unless youtube forces the registration with a credit card, etc.

@@aurorareali7125 even still, how many people actuall y read the wall of legalese text that pops up when agreeing to the terms of service, and how many parents would sign up to KZfaq for their own use, then let their kid use their logon?

Reilly it’s a real conundrum

Sounds like they're just trying to get the riff-raff off KZfaq so they can focus on only giving money to the big channels.

Is it a catch-22?

That's a great point.

Scott Watrous yep, making way for all the late night tv host KZfaq channels, all the Will Smith-like channels taking over the platform. Channels who they’d never actually go after with this compliance.

missing a question mark

That isn't how clickbait works. Clickbait implies that it is a misleading statement.

@@DriscolDevil no lol clickbait is baiting a click not misleading

That’s not even clickbait, that’s literally all this is

@@akroblodon9449 No, clickbait is misleading for clicks. Trying to draw viewers is just how marketing works in general.

This is basically the Permian-Triassic extinction for KZfaq. 80-90% of content creators are screwed.

@@sran438 Vimeo and Patreon is still out there.

That might be a idea if we can unbanned KZfaq like this than coppa will have nothing to banned

Yeah, not only can they continue to break the law, if they get caught they can just blame it on someone else and the creator bears the penalty instead of them.

They like add money, but they don't like liability and they don't like paying for actual humans to do site moderation. So they tend to put as much they can under their algorithms control and build said algorithms to prioritize getting add money.

Of course not. KZfaq likes money. End of sentence

Google doesn’t really like KZfaq. It’s a money sink. Even with all the ads, it’s insanely expensive to host the massive amount of content that is available on KZfaq. I don’t know where they’re at now but industry experts reckon that KZfaq has made a loss every year leading up to 2019.

Robby Rob supposedly KZfaq doesn’t even make Google any profit, so I think KZfaq like is the red headed step child of the Alphabet company family.

@@sovietcanuckistanian but the number of videos uploaded to the site hourly makes it nigh impossible for a set of humans to monitor the videos without bottlenecking the upload rate. So there is really no good solution to this problem.

Dude the big joel video and now here, are we going to see you on the hbomberguy video ?

@@Lrripper I am yet to watch it. What an excellent Thursday!

This has to be a bad movie, I mean there's literally a person called Commissioner Slaughter.

Careful with your channel, most great generals began their career as children and early teens.

Kings and Generals your channels is fine no one gives a f about history

Shut up i will not lett KZfaq do this

Agree, $170m is a drop in the bucket for Google.

It's obvious why they lied to us: plausible deniability and shifting the blame. The FCC is a scapegoat.

@@WobblesandBeanOne, it's the FTC, and two, ya, we all know that, but the point of the comment was that we should directly ask KZfaq, accusingly, so that we might be able to force them admit part of that. Like how could you not get that?

THE TIME TO ACT #STORMKZfaqHQ !!

You moderated part of Miiverse? That's so cool!

Got any examples of such strictness that you can share?

@@ZipplyZane broadly speaking we were responsible for all content on the Miiverse, including monitoring for any underage accounts not flagged as such. We also received and processed COPPA requests where parents signed off on their 12 and under kids' Nintendo accounts allowing them to use normally age restricted network features. Also it was before my time working there, but apparently the WiiU video chat was an absolute nightmare to deal with for reasons I can only let you speculate about.

@@thelegalsystem Whoa that's awesome. Did you work for Nintendo America? How long did you work there? I'm a big Nintendo fan so it's cool to hear from a real employee.

Same, I was the Abuse department for a pretty large Webhosting company (no, you read that right, just me, doing ALL the DMCA, COPPA, court order seizures, etc.) and I shit you not, people were carted to prison and their hard drives impounded as evidence for waaaaaay less.

Creators: Send infinite Waluigis from Isabelle.

I WILL NEVER PAY!!!!!

Likewise

Im liking everything i possibly can

Al Gorithm is a big meanie

i'm replying to do the same

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me to do that

Emily Daenzer yet, here we are... 😣

He already did a video on how KZfaq is garbage, but no one is going anywhere.

Try 3Speak and d.tube.

Ron Nickels Ron Nickels it’s hard to find a comparable site and get a majority to migrate. Like twitch and mixer maybe KZfaq competition needs a popular spokesperson to spearhead the move. But I don’t see it happening anytime soon sad to say.

@@HeatherHolt This act affects all websites..Twitch and Mixer both so there is no running from it. I am personally afraid that my content so far hasn't been labelled for kids (since it isn't for them)and will be taken down

Google in general is creepy and unsettling as fuck when you start to think about it.

@@Donnerbalken28 I wish their company mottow hadn't been changed and that it was actually stived for

Does anyone have a halfway decent alternative? besides pornhub?

@@runecowman I recommend LBRY. decentralized(p2p), direct exchange of money between user and creator, without percentages taken by third parties. there is both the application for linux / windows / mac / android / IOS and the web version. I don't think it makes sense to opt for a youtube clone (centralized, no power to the users, a company decides for you). maybe it will be difficult at the beginning, but over time these new platforms will grow and surpass youtube. opt for a KZfaq clone is easier at the beginning, but over time we will find ourselves in the same current situation.

@@aurorareali7125 And P2P models like that are destined to run into the RIAA using DMCA to shut it down. That is always been the death of decentralized video models

This is a routine feature of American industry: any kind of financial or enviornmental regulation or labor protection is always retaliated against with a deliberately dysfunctional implementation designed to make the lives of workers and consumers miserable thereby discrediting the very concept of regulations and protections.

December 31st, 2019 11:59pm should have been a moment of celebration, but there I was, in a darkened living room, lit only by my PC monitor as I removed 24 animation based music videos from my non-monetized channel. Only days before, the copyright owners of AC/DC's "Who Made Who" had cleared my video for worldwide display. The bad news for the video was the choice of a dancing, prancing Buzz Lightyear. The other 23 removed videos featured either Just Dance green screen animated dancers or psychedelia oriented animated GIFs. It was difficult enough to forget about the couple of hundred hours that went into producing the videos. But what really got my worry warts itching was the threat of huge fines from a right-wing government out to control the message & the messengers, fanned by corner-stone financial sources important to the political party in power and fronted by the FTC's boiler room monitoring staff, out to prove their worth and out for the easy kill.

@Fatelyne : Seriously. They took 8chan from us, we should take KZfaq from them.

What money did you lose from youtube, what damages were done warranting a payout? Dont say stupid shit

Says the person still using their platform. Keep celebrating that you are going to blow your own foot off.

@Fatelyne then stop using it.

@@kafkabigmon Look at the idiots you are talking to, they think they are owed money for everything.

No good. The majority of videos are already out there.

@@EsotericBibleSecrets Majority of lost money is on new videos

Lengthy unpredictable delay before a video posts will hurt creators whose posting is time-sensitive because it relates to recent events or recently released products there is strong but short-lived interest in.

Yes, or better yet, turn the whole approach on its head: allow 13-and-under accounts but sandbox them into YT Kids which acts as a whitelist for curated content, then make the rest of YT as not available for kid accounts. Any content that is bound for kids goes through a manual application process to be approved. When a regular/adult YT account begins exhibiting signs of being used by a child (eg watching something that the vague guidelines the algorithm reviews for flagging as POTENTIALLY for kids, having been watched on repeat tens of times or more, which is generally a surefire indicator) it should present a sanity check to ensure that the user isn't a kid that is using mommy's phone without permission (eg demanding a passcode that the adult owner of the account had created) and should the passcode be entered in the event of child use (eg parent giving up after being nagged relentlessly by child) then the entering of that passcode with subsequent use by a minor is construed as parental consent. Done and dusted.

The big benefit of their current method is shifting liability to creators. They aren't incentivized to make things good for creators, especially when they will just take whatever youtube craps out.

Rachel B shift onus. Cover anus

More than likely this video will get flagged and deleted when the crack down begins

@Victor Valencia could you get this guy to testify as a witness? I'm a law student, but I'm not from the US and I've been wondering what could be done here. I know how you could handle this in my country, but I'm interested in your solution.

THE TIME TO ACT #STORMKZfaqHQ !!

Someone, please download this video, make copies of it. And send it to the FTC. KZfaq might take it down.

Please send this to Legal Eagle, I've already emailed him to beg that je cover this because everything I've been seeing before this seemed to be missing something. Everyone that makes adult content that could be mistaken for kid targeted have been whipped into a panicked feenzy, which is always a red flag.

Spiderman vs Elsa Whoever Wins, We Lose

I have some suggestions for youtube: General Reminder, you have to be 13 years or older to make an account Ergo only teens, adults, and seniors can have one -First, make comments, notifications, likes. ALL require an account to be signed in to even view regardless of video rating. This would protect our children from seeing inappropriate comments without a parent or older sibling being signed in. -Second. Add some account settings to control what the VIEWER can see/ interact with. i.e DISABLED Comments, Notifications, Likes. JUST Comments. and ALL Enabled. This would allow parents to protect their child from inappropriate comments and their childrens data being collected, while also allowing adults to still comment/read comments on toys for possible unmentioned defects such as toxins or choking hazards. Or even to enjoy fan made content or kid content themselves, since the data could only be collected with it enabled by the adult. Of course the DISABLED feature would be enabled by default. Maybe even make enabling it harder, like requiring a long randomly generated security key that is sent to the parent's email to be manually typed in not copy and pasted. -Third, leave it up to the Viewers Discretion whether a video is kid friendly or not. Since Bots can miss flag It happened with tumblr where you can STILL find porn despite the bots, something could seem kid friendly but contain profanity or inappropriate content. Or the content creator could mislabel it on accident or because they KNOW it's not just for kids. WHICH youtube could still be sued over by the FTC for "failing to abide by COPPA". My idea is, Add a new button before the like thumbs up icon to flag a video as kid friendly. Then have the bots just count how many times it was toggled on, and ONCE it reaches a certain number BAM video flagged as kid friendly. Then to override the flag, the creator would only have to provide proof that video isn't for kids or just for kids. Even a simple statement or swear word in the video would do. Then once it's flag is removed, the threshold number for the video is DOUBLED to make it harder to abuse Much easier and less prone to mistakes from the bots. -Forth. Allow kid friendly videos to be added to playlists, since some parents would like to make a playlist for their child for them to view while they are busy or away. This way to avoid an inappropriate video from being shown by mistake If you agree, PLEASE let the KZfaq, FTC and COPPA officials know about my suggestions and please share. Coppa may be right, but KZfaq isn't handling it properly.

I have some suggestions for youtube: General Reminder, you have to be 13 years or older to make an account Ergo only teens, adults, and seniors can have one -First, make comments, notifications, likes. ALL require an account to be signed in to even view regardless of video rating. This would protect our children from seeing inappropriate comments without a parent or older sibling being signed in. -Second. Add some account settings to control what the VIEWER can see/ interact with. i.e DISABLED Comments, Notifications, Likes. JUST Comments. and ALL Enabled. This would allow parents to protect their child from inappropriate comments and their childrens data being collected, while also allowing adults to still comment/read comments on toys for possible unmentioned defects such as toxins or choking hazards. Or even to enjoy fan made content or kid content themselves, since the data could only be collected with it enabled by the adult. Of course the DISABLED feature would be enabled by default. Maybe even make enabling it harder, like requiring a long randomly generated security key that is sent to the parent's email to be manually typed in not copy and pasted. -Third, leave it up to the Viewers Discretion whether a video is kid friendly or not. Since Bots can miss flag It happened with tumblr where you can STILL find porn despite the bots, something could seem kid friendly but contain profanity or inappropriate content. Or the content creator could mislabel it on accident or because they KNOW it's not just for kids. WHICH youtube could still be sued over by the FTC for "failing to abide by COPPA". My idea is, Add a new button before the like thumbs up icon to flag a video as kid friendly. Then have the bots just count how many times it was toggled on, and ONCE it reaches a certain number BAM video flagged as kid friendly. Then to override the flag, the creator would only have to provide proof that video isn't for kids or just for kids. Even a simple statement or swear word in the video would do. Then once it's flag is removed, the threshold number for the video is DOUBLED to make it harder to abuse Much easier and less prone to mistakes from the bots. -Forth. Allow kid friendly videos to be added to playlists, since some parents would like to make a playlist for their child for them to view while they are busy or away. This way to avoid an inappropriate video from being shown by mistake If you agree, PLEASE let the KZfaq, FTC and COPPA officials know about my suggestions and please share. Coppa may be right, but KZfaq isn't handling it properly.

@@electrobob992 you should make your comment on the ftc website. They are taking comments until dec 9th. Idk how to include direct links into cmts but if you find the vid nerdecrafter where she talks about coppa and has link to ftc website where you can copy and past your comment

I mean, if you don't have any content, you can't collect personal data anymore, right?

Let's Plays of kids games are hurt by this too. I wish Dan went into the definition of kids content from FTC and KZfaq points of view.

Speed runners are good at getting around restrictions. Personally I'd recommend that they start every run with some racial slurs.

@@iamfunnyface I've jokingly stated that I am tempted to just drop a loud, unmissable F-Bomb RIGHT before my videos for anything rated Teen and up, JUST to make sure KZfaq knows what kinda game it's getting into.

I doubt it.

@@iamfunnyface I'm guessing this was a joke, but even so, having content not appropriate for kids doesn't mean that content isn't also being directed at kids. Probably wouldn't work.

I love how likely it is that the cheeky “happy fun time” music at the end well might make the algorithm label this video as “for kids”

Good. Hope they get scarred and realize that not everything on the net is for those kids.

Yeah the smarter and saner option

That makes way more sense. Only KZfaq the company should be fined

Kids can’t legally consent to that.

Eh, there's strict liability. I don't think this would work.

Ali the Heep +

The FTC carries some fault here because they do define "content aimed at children" as including "video games, jokes, music, and bright flashy colors/graphics". That said they're unlikely to go after creators as individuals instead of just focusing on youtube and google as those two are the ones doing the actual data collection.

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@@sunn7615 They don't, though. Like. That's one of those ways youtube has been intentionally obfuscating the point. Those things are factors to be considered, but none of them by themselves make the video qualify as content aimed at children. They're just considered to be more likely to be. A human being has to make the determination to issue fines, and they're going to do that based on non-automated reviews of offending content, a human who is able to understand such things as context. And if challenged on it they need to be able to get it past a court. There's no way most of the people panicking about this would actually get hit by fines if they don't flag their stuff correctly.

@@daredaemon8878 I agree that it'll mostly be humans making the determinations, but the actual -legal definition- guideline defintion is outdated and does need to be updated. Not because it's inherently wrong, but because new information and new ways of thinking about content production have popped up since it was made. This is one of those cases where fixing something that isn't broken is a good idea (as long as you do it right). And in this case the ftc does carry blame because the legal definition of "content for kids" is being passed around and assumed (based on faulty logic and extreme disinformation) to be the be-all-end-all for what is and is not for kids. If nothing else, it's what youtube's algorithm is most likely using for the flagging process. And thus, it needs updating (even though it's not broken) EDITED: to fix some words

@@sunn7615 There's no such thing as a 'legal definition of content for kids' there's what youtube is trying to pass off as such. But the FTC just has a list of guidelines that are neither all-encompassing nor conclusive. The more of such factors your video includes, the more likely they think it is to be for kids. That's all those guidelines mean. If your content is obviously not for kids, then you don't need to worry; no matter whether or not some of the guidelines (not rules, much less laws) apply to your video.

Rebecca Sugar's evil twin

or they could have literally dumped all their non-compliant data and remade the system so that it never happens again within reason, but here we are

In your first sentence, does "they" refer to the FTC? Because it sounds to me like the FTC is basically in the right here. As quoted in the video, they said youtube's algorithmic solution was trash, for the exact same reasons Dan also said they're trash.

@@Dorian_sapiens I'd assumed "they" referred to youtube but upon re-reading it does seem to refer to the ftc instead.

Dorian sapiens I do mean KZfaq, however I see how it can be seen as the FTC. Although the FTC also should update what they see as child content

@@cookie_keko2422 OK, now I see what you mean, and I agree! Thanks for clarifying.

Danielle C god, the whole 'colour' thing is just frustrating. Colours. Only for kids. No adult likes colour. Only beige.

watson483 1984 Orwell Grey only

watson483 Every adult is a business man in a Gray tweed suit. There is no outlier.

gonna go buy pathologic2 then?

Let's be honest, Hbomberguy dropped a feature film...

And it's not even the 30th!

Truth

In order to do that, all of us would have to share if to get it trending

3 months? Try literally right now since people are already deleting their channels out of fear that something worse than losing their entire channels could possibly happen to them.

@@mjbridges People I know from other sites. Not anyone I actually watch.

Rognik Actually, it sounds like a wrestler-turned-G.I.-Joe-character, Sergeant Slaughter.

Slaughter yeah as in killer and she's gonna slaughter this platform to death.

Check the description, it actually is spelt Slaughter.

@@peterprime2140 that can't be right. I've seen some bad last names, and I can't believe someone would have the last name spelled Slaughter outside of cartoons or comic books.

It's apparently a real surname.

YA9 We have one! It’s called FairTube; the channel Jeorg Sprave hosts FairTube info videos.

You can only join a Union as an employee, if independent creators Unionize it's called a Trust, which is highly illegal.

I'm pretty sure it's not "highly illegal" to collectively bargain just because you technically don't have an employer.

See, the issue with a hypothetical KZfaqr union, even if it were only applied in the US, is that not every place has the same laws regarding union protections. I live in North Carolina, where we have a ton of so-called "right to work" laws that effectively neuter any collective bargaining power unions could potentially have, so a union of internet contractors (which is the closest thing to what you could legally classify KZfaqrs as) would run into a TON of logistical issues as far as how to effectively implement it.

BetterThanYouXuD That’s interesting idea I will look into it

Who are the KZfaqrs which the ftc has gone after? I haven't heard of any actual cases of this, just vague fears of what could happen (as discussed in this video)

@@smickles not specific youtubers; youtubers in general. And they haven't actually done it yet; they said that they _would_ do it. The exact quote from one of it's representatives was "not only can we sue google and youtube, but also individual channels and youtubers". Naturally, they would more than likely sue only the worst offenders (i would imagine the ones that get people the most upset), but i feel that would still be crossing a line since youtubers don't actually have much of a say in who's information gets collected and subsequently sold. In addition, since he didn't mention specifically Google AdSense and I can't find anything about the FTC sueing them yet, it feels really up in the air about whether they will do so at all; but then again i am uncertain of the connection between Google AdSense and youtube (it might be that youtube collects the information, then immediately passes it off to AdSense to be processed and sold. if this is the case, then the grounds they have to sue might not be there at all (though I haven't done enough research into that and am not a lawyer so i can't say for sure either way, but considering they can sue youtubers i would presume that they would))

This is just a backdoor to subtle censorship. For now it's child directed content but who knows what it will be in the next decade or so ?

Probably because they decided it in a settlement and not in an actual trial.

Because, as yet, no one has made a better alternative.

No. You are here because KZfaq remains the best place to distribute videos to lots of people, because it's basically the only video website frequently visited by lots of people.

sadly youtube is the best of the best when it comes to video hosting and distribution, even when it sucks... big f

@@timothymclean you're forgetting p0rnhub

The content I've lost... the revenue I've lost... won't stop hurting

algorithms are the enemy of the art.

Algorithms for art are theoretically possible, but there's a substantial risk that KZfaq would need to pay it a salary and give it time off.

@@timothymclean I'm curious how they are theoretically possible. Sure you could give an algorithm metrics by which to create art, but those metrics are heavily skewed by the metrics given. IE - An algorithm is never going to create a new style or genre of art because there's no way for it to act outside of its given parameters.

@@AdeptusForge How do you teach a human to identify and interpret art? If nothing else, make an AI and do that. You could probably take some shortcuts, but everyone remotely qualified that I've heard of agrees that humanlike artificial intelligence is theoretically possible.

@@AdeptusForge There was this one video I saw about a bunch of different AI's and them of them was one in which you gave it two images and it drew one of the images in the style of the other. The things you can do with AI (especially machine learning / deep learning) is mind-boggling.

read the TOS

Surprise Engagement

because that would make too much sense

That's work for a human and KZfaq is spending too much money on design changes to hire actual staff. /Joke KZfaq may be making profits for all we know of their disclosed financials, but the popular conception is that it's losing money on the day and if that's true they definitely wouldn't want to waste their money on even basic human moderation when they get anywhere from roughly 100-500 hours of video uploaded a minute. That and it's a tech company and all their models exist on using algorithms and tech to replace humans if at all possible and KZfaq needs to present stability in its technocratic systems abilities to do the job well

The kids app only has like toy/educational videos

Nothing interesting to any one above the age of 10

Zipzie Games you’re not wrong

Zipzie Games Either way this shouldn’t be anyone’s problem but their parents. This is the result of bad monitoring by the parents.

It's also a pain in the ass to navigate, it doesn't really work well for keeping up with subscriptions, and it arbitrarily blocks videos from channels that should have no problem being shown to kids. My daughters use it, and despite being under 13 I routinely find myself considering letting them use the regular app, because the Kids app is so janky.

More extreme. Netflix lives. Ebay lives. KZfaq won't

Reading the complaint on the FTC website, it doesn't say outright that channel owners are operators according to COPPA, but it seems like that's implicit in the logic. Since KZfaq itself ISN'T child-directed, establishing that KZfaq acted as operators of a child-directed online service required that KZfaq knowingly collected data via operators of other, already established, child-directed online services - i.e. Hasbro etc. Therefore if Hasbro etc are operators of child-directed online services (their KZfaq channels), Jo KZfaqr must be an operator of an online service. Maybe a loophole not intended to affect Jo KZfaqr, but the danger is pretty clear

@@katejay9786 Thanks for sharing that information with me. I hadn't thought of it in that way. In this case, we definitely need the FTC to clarify further whether channel owners are in fact operators. I feel clarification on this would do a lot towards clearing up the confusion we're currently facing.

Ian Statham there already is one

RsDefcon Yah it’s already got a name, FairTube! Not as cool, but it works :)

I'd imagine content marked as "for kids" would get put in some kind of special playlist made by youtube('s algorithms because let's face it youtube is averse to having humans work on content sorting/flagging) but this is an interesting question that needs a more concrete answer from youtube itself.

Kid: *watches Baby Shark* The Algorithm: Next up - Deadly SHARK Attacks BABY at Western Australian Beach (DISTURBING FOOTAGE!!!!!)

@@katejay9786 Responsible parent: "That's enough youtube for today, back to kidstube!"

@@katejay9786 Bought to you by Channel Nine Fearmongerin- Channel Nine News!

I suspect that they aren't allowed to collect individualized data, but they could still collect anonymized data about how many viewers from one video go watch another video. Hence why that last line wasn't crossed out at 6:07. I mean how can they know if people are "watching multiple videos" if they can't collect any data at all?

I've been ready for years, every gaffe making me more willing

I mean, I guess we can see what Jeorg Sprave and the FairTube union come up with!

They tried that with Vid.me and Folding Ideas did a whole video on it.

Throwing us? They threw us already into the den. You just dont realize it yey