What’s Missing From Will Smith’s Movie Stardom? | The Big Picture | Ringer Movies

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20 күн бұрын

The Ringer’s Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins reflect on Will Smith’s movie star career following the success of ‘Bad Boys: Ride or Die.’ They look back on what kind of projects he gravitates toward, highlight some big movies he passed on, and compare his career to Tom Cruise and Keanu Reeves.
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@BobbyCookOfficial
@BobbyCookOfficial 18 күн бұрын
Excited to have been here to witness the first frontier in the Big Picture v Hot Ones feud
@commaJim
@commaJim 18 күн бұрын
Can't wait for the diss tracks
@ahlswedecollect
@ahlswedecollect 14 күн бұрын
This is a legitimate diss episode. No gray area. Direct shots through a scope. The Battle Pod era is here!
@BobbyCookOfficial
@BobbyCookOfficial 14 күн бұрын
@@ahlswedecollectI’m worried only one Sean will live to tell the tale
@thedefinitionisthis
@thedefinitionisthis 17 күн бұрын
I think it's worth noting that Will Smith was NOT an actor by trade. Dude was a fucking rapper, whose first acting gig was essentially playing himself on a sitcom, aptly named for his hip-hop persona. He has said numerous times that when he talked to Fresh Prince producer Quincy Jones & the other creatives, they asked him if he had any acting experience. He said no. They still greenlit a sitcom for him, and cast actual experienced actors, hoping that he would somehow pick up the slack. Like, he's not some classically trained performer, nor was he someone who was looking to be some kind of on-screen performer outside of maybe that of his music. Acting was thrust upon him, and it JUST so happened that he had the right amount of charisma to pull it off. Given his limitations of not really being a trained actor thrust into this side-gig, it's not really that surprising that he doesn't think outside the box when it comes to his roles. I think he's someone who knows what he's capable of, and does it damn near better than anyone else.
@palynch
@palynch 18 күн бұрын
What Will Smith is missing is a collaboration with an acclaimed director. Someone like Martin Scorsese with Leo or Brad Pitt with Tarantino. He needed someone to push him more into being more than the cool, hotshot or the super earnest father. Basically he needed someone to allow him to have an edge that comes with a project helmed by an acclaimed director.
@TwoNNsB
@TwoNNsB 18 күн бұрын
He starred in Michael Mann's Ali...
@keenenbenton9843
@keenenbenton9843 18 күн бұрын
Yes I’ve always said this as a lifelong will smith fan… he is a movie star the way Tom cruise, Stallone,Bruce, Arnold, Leo are.. the difference is while all these guys have that one character they can go back to whether it’s Tom going back to Ethan hunt or Stallone going back to Rocky or Arnold going back to terminator or Bruce going back to John McClaine.. the difference between those guys and will is they all work with the best of the best.. Spielberg, Cameron, Tarantino, etc etc.. other than Michael Mann will never goes to those types of directors. Never understood why because movies like men in black or I am legend or I robot as much as I like them could have been even greater in the hands of a more disciplined director
@palynch
@palynch 18 күн бұрын
@TwoNNsB True. I guess the point I'd make is when you see Leo in Django or OUATIH you think of those movies as Tarantino movies. You see him in Wolf of Wall Street or KoTFM and you think Martin Scorese. Any movie Will Smith has been in it's HIS movie. Much like Cruise, he's the draw to the theatre and not much else.
@iamjoshdouglas
@iamjoshdouglas 18 күн бұрын
@@palynch i dont disagree in totality but my push back would be the directors who are allowed to really do whatever they want and have gained that cachet arent black other than Spike Lee. And i dont know a story that Scorsese has done that you could find a part for Will in since they are mostly period and locational dramas. Its pretty inexcusable that he hasnt worked with Spike yet.
@palynch
@palynch 18 күн бұрын
@iamjoshdouglas That's quite true actually. I guess you have Barry Jenkins and Ryan Coogler now but on the way up there were definitely fewer. it's amazing that he didn't collaborate with someone though. I mean Denzel even had Tony Scott.
@rigsby1454
@rigsby1454 18 күн бұрын
The turning down Django because he wanted it to be a love story is weird.
@ronnenvallejo7444
@ronnenvallejo7444 18 күн бұрын
Agreed. It’s my favorite movie from QT and I’m not sure if it would be if Smith was in it.
@bajaro3455
@bajaro3455 18 күн бұрын
I get his point, but then again it wouldnt have been the movie it became. I think he wanted more to show the why this man would risk everything for his wife and that he gets the moment vs Calvin Candie. A bit more forward and stereotypical.
@lexis4490
@lexis4490 18 күн бұрын
You have to see from his perspective. That movies spends a lot of times Django watching his wife get brutalized and he can’t do anything about it. We see black women and women in general get beaten up in movies all the time. So he wanted part of the movie be about their love story.
@KevinOblivion
@KevinOblivion 17 күн бұрын
He wanted to be the guy to kill Leo’s character. QT said no.
@isaacnewton3514
@isaacnewton3514 17 күн бұрын
Turned down Matrix and Django, love him but he’s ego has hurt him
@BigBird104
@BigBird104 18 күн бұрын
Amanda dumping on Sean's questions kills me! 😂
@vikramsuryavanshi
@vikramsuryavanshi 18 күн бұрын
I kind of agree with her, but it’s hilarious that it’s coming from her, queen of rambling.
@qrste81
@qrste81 18 күн бұрын
Nah, bruh. Hot ones is genius as a concept and Jesse is fantastic at what he does. She is just a hater.
@jackswiler2825
@jackswiler2825 9 күн бұрын
@@vikramsuryavanshi To be fair, I'm sure that's part of why she rarely if ever participates in the interviews - she's a podcaster, not an interviewer, and knows her strengths
@arthurtrommel1438
@arthurtrommel1438 18 күн бұрын
Wesley Snipes was the first real black action superstar before Smith with Passenger 57, Ney Jack City and Demolition Man. Smith was a bigger star but Wesley was the first one.
@theman8034
@theman8034 18 күн бұрын
Will Smith and Eddie Murphy are the two biggest black movie stars ever.
@arthurtrommel1438
@arthurtrommel1438 18 күн бұрын
@@theman8034 did you read my comment? I was talking about being the first black international ACTION star.
@mistercool3859
@mistercool3859 17 күн бұрын
Carl Weathers came before Wesley Snipes.
@doubledown0411
@doubledown0411 17 күн бұрын
Dude what? Eddie Murphy was the biggest movie star in the world in the 80s. Not Black Movie star, just movie star period. Doing Action movies.
@jackswiler2825
@jackswiler2825 9 күн бұрын
Long time fan of hot ones but I have to agree w Amanda's take. sure, especially in the early days the questions could be super interesting, but a. That was when the show was primarily rappers and occasional comedians, vs now it's often A-list stars who clearly have more media training and/or more protective publicists and b. In the earlier seasons it really did feel like an interview show that was well off the beaten path, but nowadays it's big enough that celebrities are usually on in the middle of major promotional tours, so they're already in the headspace of giving the same or similar answers over and over again There's still obviously the entertainment value of the guest (potentially) getting all spiced up but lately it doesn't feel like the actual interviews have been all that illuminating
@YouCallThataKnife253
@YouCallThataKnife253 18 күн бұрын
*Focus* was pretty cool, but I don't think very many people saw it. But in general, I do agree with Sean's thesis
@indiefilmmillennial8338
@indiefilmmillennial8338 18 күн бұрын
I was thinking that too.
@Seasonal-Shadow_4674
@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 17 күн бұрын
@@indiefilmmillennial8338sean chandler?
@waffletube5707
@waffletube5707 18 күн бұрын
“He’s done just what Tom Cruise did. ‘I made a big public gaffe. Everyone thinks I’m weird.’” Not a coincidence they’re both Scientologists.
@Warrentertainment
@Warrentertainment 18 күн бұрын
Can't wait for these cats to do JUICE, man that's gonna be CRAZY!!
@mcandelacom
@mcandelacom 18 күн бұрын
How about Will Smith embracing this moment and playing the villain for once? That would be something different...
@laner1172
@laner1172 15 күн бұрын
Hancock
@mcandelacom
@mcandelacom 15 күн бұрын
@@laner1172 that's kind of a comedy and he is still the protagonist. I meant a real villain
@doktormabuse4794
@doktormabuse4794 18 күн бұрын
I liked "Wild Wild West" when I was a kid.
@riveraderek07
@riveraderek07 18 күн бұрын
Wow shots to Sean Evans
@juancblancojr6526
@juancblancojr6526 18 күн бұрын
Crazy shot at hot ones
@seanskywalka5172
@seanskywalka5172 17 күн бұрын
I think Will will turn the Bad Boys Franchise into the Fast and Furious/Mission Impossible type movies but hopefully with better writing, action and humour. And he can lull it off for the next 15 years
@stacksspoons8341
@stacksspoons8341 18 күн бұрын
Did Sean and Amanda talk about the state of Will Smith post slap on this pod? I didn't listen to the full thing. It seems like they really move past it here though.
@iamjoshdouglas
@iamjoshdouglas 18 күн бұрын
does The Matrix become The Matrix if its not Keanu as the star of the movie though? It would be a completely different movie to me with Will as the lead...id love to see it though
@gzz8551
@gzz8551 18 күн бұрын
Well it’s not a slap, that’s for sure
@mjm5081
@mjm5081 18 күн бұрын
An arrest?
@mikecat6291
@mikecat6291 17 күн бұрын
Am I crazy, or does Amanda bear a passing resemblance to Australian character actor Noah Taylor? Google it, or ask TECH SUPPOOOORTTTT (Vanilla Sky reference, that)
@Royale_withcheeze
@Royale_withcheeze 18 күн бұрын
Suicide Squad and Aladdin were odd choices
@agmor1
@agmor1 18 күн бұрын
If you don't know anything about the film industry, I can see how you would think they were odd.
@Royale_withcheeze
@Royale_withcheeze 18 күн бұрын
@@agmor1 I guess I don’t know anything. I’ll expand on my original statement. Suicide Squad was WS joining an ensemble, which aside from my Independence Day he hasn’t done much of, plus he’s playing a character that isn’t well known to audiences. Just not something we expected him to do. Also, Aladdin, he is playing the Genie, stepping into the shoes of Robin Williams. That’s such a risk. A risk not being something he doesn’t do much. Hope that helps better explain myself.
@Mickey-1994
@Mickey-1994 18 күн бұрын
Aladdin did make a billion dollars and I guess he was hoping to become the face of the DCEU like RDJ was with the MCU.
@agmor1
@agmor1 17 күн бұрын
@Royale_withcheeze You complain that Smith played a totally unknown character with no baggage for audiences yet also point out that he played a character with prior associations? Clearly he can't win with you.
@Royale_withcheeze
@Royale_withcheeze 17 күн бұрын
@@agmor1 just going off your premise. He played a complete unknown to mainstream audiences in an ensemble cast. Usually he’s the leading man so it was very different to see him in that type of role. Now the role of Genie, made famous by Robin Williams, was a huge risk. I just think both of these choices were odd because they were big risks from him, which in the podcast they mention he doesn’t typically do, they posit his career choices are very intentional, well thought out, there’s a check list. These two roles stand out from his previous roles. It’s not about winning or winning me over, I didn’t say anything about like or dislike of the actor.
@stevekasan3105
@stevekasan3105 16 күн бұрын
Will Smith made the summer blockbusters in the 90s hip and cool We all think Django is "cool" as film geeks but Will Smith brought the hip and cool to big movies Imagine MiB without Will?
@user-rj7bp9en7q
@user-rj7bp9en7q 17 күн бұрын
Will is one of the GOAT movie stars, this man got box office dominance and Oscar acclaim. Will's not missing anything.
@muziqpoet86
@muziqpoet86 18 күн бұрын
The fact that white people are still talking about the slap tells me that they were more traumatizing Chris Rock was... Even Chris Rock has moved on.
@Mickey-1994
@Mickey-1994 18 күн бұрын
Most white people don't give a s@it about two privileged rich guys.
@Mickey-1994
@Mickey-1994 18 күн бұрын
Most of his movies are forgettable fast-food entertainment or just bad movies in general which includes his dramas. I don't think he has one movie that will stand the test of time or be considered a classic. Bad Boys is the dollar store version of Lethal Weapon, the first Men in Black is fun but it's not as great as other blockbusters like Back to the Future or Jaws, the sequels are terrible, and Independence Day has aged like milk. Even like Ali is a fine one time watch but you quickly move on from it. The list could go on and on.
@joshuacosico7546
@joshuacosico7546 18 күн бұрын
nah the Sean Evans slander is so unfounded and corny i actually take back everything i said about how poorly lit your Ringer moment video was. you actually just look like that huh
@mikecat6291
@mikecat6291 17 күн бұрын
Mediocre interviewer. Let's be real, just because he's a nice guy does not mean he's the next coming of Howard Stern. He's asking press junket-tier questions while celebs shove greasy food into their mouths and try not to go monosyllabic.
@joshuacosico7546
@joshuacosico7546 17 күн бұрын
@@mikecat6291 wait are you saying Howard Stern is a standard of journalism and peak interviewing?
@mikecat6291
@mikecat6291 17 күн бұрын
@@joshuacosico7546 it's universally understood that he's perhaps one of the top five interviewers of all time, absolutely. You're playing with the goal posts a bit though by bringing "journalism" into the equation, is that what we're calling a guy eating buffalo wings with movie stars these days? Journalism has nothing to do with any of this, we're talking interviewing prowess
@joshuacosico7546
@joshuacosico7546 17 күн бұрын
@@mikecat6291”Universally” lol ok Mike sounds good 👍🏽
@mikecat6291
@mikecat6291 17 күн бұрын
@@joshuacosico7546 not even debatable, my friend, but you have a lovely day!
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